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On Feb 3, 2024, at 14:43, Dave, N1AI <n1ai@...> wrote:

The point I was trying to make is that Upton's tiny desktop concept risks getting buried by N100 or similar systems.

My point was they were designed for different use cases.

You wrote "his goal was a $100ish desktop?that required a TV for output that could be used in education for third-world students using phone chargers, cheap keyboards/mice, etc." -- how is that use case different from what you can do with a $100-ish N100???

Then consider the N100 can run far more software natively and is more expandable so quite possibly a better purchase than a Pi 5 desktop.

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Overall IMO this, and the newly-announced IPO, will put pressure on Upton and team to crank up the innovation.

RPi Foundation has been building selling *huge* numbers of boards for embedded applications to industrial customers. I haven't heard about an IPO, but I suspect it will allow RPi Foundation to focus on educational issues and applications and the spin-off commercial organization can focus on industrial issues and applications, as well as (I imagine) help sponsor RPi Foundation.

N.B. Your linked-to alternative is priced at $279, more than 3x the cost of an 8 Gig RPi 5...

I guess you just aren't following along, because I just wrote "It's a bit pricier now, but overall it seems quite possible that an Intel variant could take away a lot of Pi's lunch money sooner or later", and earlier in this thread (?here ) I wrote "Jeff is right that the Pi world requires you to select, purchase and assemble more 'stuff' to get a useful setup whereas most SFF PCs come with all the stuff you need right out of the box" and provided links to Jeff's video which shows if you price out all the stuff you need to buy to use a Pi 5 in a desktop configuration then you spend a lot more than the $85 or so that a raw Pi 5 8GB costs.? Want power?? More money!? Want a fan?? More money!? Want a case?? More money!? Want storage faster than a micro sd card?? More money!

I get it, Pi excels at embedded applications, but hfsignals.com sells board-only setups and ones in cases, and most of the board-only units seem to stay in people's shacks, from what I read on this forum.? I own one of each and my board-only unit is probably never going into a case.? I might have considered interfacing it to something other than a Pi, but the mechanical design pretty much rules that out in the near term.