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Re: New user, seems to be working fine.
radiofreq11
Hi Lynn,
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I would like to see the option to change your icon from the phone (for use in different activities such as Bike Races, EMCOM, Fox Hunts, etc), and perhaps the option to turn off battery telemetry. Let us know what you think about those. :-) It's also working very well for me so far. I had a minor GPS radio glitch and had to completely flash the ROM to stock, but that was my fault ¨C I was hacking away with some different programs. Jason, K2ENG --- In aprsisce@..., "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:
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Re: APRS-IS client - quick questions
Kevin Jensen
Thanks Lynn - once again showing that Hams are genius material.
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On 10/16/09, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh <KJ4ERJ@...> wrote:
Kevin Jensen wrote:Lynn,If you don't mind random delays in getting answers, I certainly don't |
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Re: APRS-IS client - quick questions
Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
Kevin Jensen wrote:
Lynn,If you don't mind random delays in getting answers, I certainly don't mind answering them! I hope you don't mind that I copied the answer to the group so that others might benefit. 1) My cellphone will go into battery save mode after a minute. WillIn my experience, when the phone turns "off" in battery save mode, the GPS is also turned off. My application doesn't muck at all with power settings, so beaconing will stop, but incoming APRS-IS updates will continue. 2) How rapidly will my battery get drained running APRS-IS? Any dataThe battery with GPS and APRS-IS active will drain quite quickly. I always plug my phone into a power adapter in the car and only turn off the power savings timer when I KNOW I want to continue tracking. Once in power saver with only a modest-radius APRS-IS feed active, it'll last longer, but still MUCH less than if the client itself were closed or APRS-IS disabled. The client also transmits battery level telemetry. You can see mine at: The week view has some good days in it and the month or year view shows just how mean I've been to my battery. I'm now running an extended capacity battery on my AT&T Tilt. I'm happy with the battery life (3-4 hours with full APRS-IS and GPS, 6 hours with only APRS-IS), but I don't like the fact that it no longer fits in my belt clip. 3) I assume that the APRS-IS client needs a GPS circuit in theYes, the client relies on a GPSapi-supported GPS unit and sends/receives lots of data so an unlimited plan is highly recommended. 4) Since I am running WM6 on my cellphone, will the APRS-IS clientThe application will continue to run in the background, but the ability to maintain a data connection while receiving calls is up to the cellular provider and the infrastructure around you. I've had calls go straight to voice-mail in some cells. I've had the data connection stop when the phone rang and resume when I terminated the voice call. And I've had the data connection continue operating while talking on the phone. And these were all on the SAME phone, just in different geographical areas. Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile |
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Re: New user, seems to be working fine.
Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
You're quite welcome Steve! I happened to notice you come on-line this
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morning (filter of u/APWM00 gives you all APRSISCE users, regardless of location) and also saw your truck (AB8JC-9). I enjoy watching my RF tracker playing catch-up with my phone when I go mobile. It makes a good way of detecting APRS RF coverage when you're out of your normal territory. Glad you're finding the software useful. If all goes well, there'll be a new release coming out soon. I need to work out popup menus on Windows Mobile and then I'll get it out the door. If any of you have any "hot" features you'd like to see, let me know and I'll see what I can do! Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile ab8jc wrote: Howdy folks, |
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SSID Standards
Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
I saw this go by on another APRS mailing list (UI-View) back on 8/8/2008:
Here are those common defaults:I've chosen -12 for my APRSISCE as it is definitely portable and may someday actually go via RF. -10 seems more for non-mobile Internet clients like WinLink and UI-View. Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile PS. I'm posting this here so I can quit trying to remember where it was that I saw it before! |
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HP iPAQ 6955 screen shots uploaded to Photo section
ve2khc
Dear Lynn, ? Greetings!? I have enclosed two (2) pictures of APRISCE latest version; the satellite section of the screen works fine.? It's the delay with taking the picture while working from my desk¡ Thanks!
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Re: Installed APRSISCE6P090811
Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýYes, I'd like to see a screen shot to know what you're seeing.? Do you know the screen resolution of the iPAQ 6955?Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile ve2khc wrote:
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Installed APRSISCE6P090811
ve2khc
? Greetings! I downloaded and installed APRSISCE6P090811 on my HP iPAQ 6955 with WM5. ? It appears to functioning correctly. I have been able to send messages from the HP to the APRS group. There is a 'small' issue with the callsigns being displayed on the left side of the screen -- only able to see the first three (3) digits available. ? I can post a screen shot tomorrow if requested. ? The APRS-IS?is?a worthy tool for ARES use on a pocket PC. Thanking-you in advance. 73 http://aprs.fi/?call=VE2KHC |
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observations after a couple of weeks.
svkaereste
Dear Lynn and any others lurking around,
After using this program a few weeks and trying it off and on, AND getting my local digi owner to change his settings for complete 2way text messaging all I can say is WOW! This is really cool. No problems with the program once I got used to what the buttons all do and set a hot button (the camera) on my HTC Touch (SPRINT). Once the local digi owner changed settings for phone->a field radio I realized the full potential of text messaging on APRS. I tried texting a friend last night and it "just knocked his socks off". We moved to a voice channel and chatted quite a while about phone->radio and back messaging. Thanks again, John K2QY |
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Re: texting problem
Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
John,
See interspersed answers/comments below.... svkaereste wrote: Nice to text with you yesterday. In my mind this is the way messaging should work on APRS. Easy and fast.Agreed. I've had similar APRS messaging exchanges with others on APRS mobiles as well. The key (no pun intended) is to have a suitable display and input device. In those cases it was with a Tracker2 attached to a Garmin Nuvi 350 for APRS messaging. Good RF coverage and bi-directional IGates are also required for that to work smoothly. Couple of problems I am having though, which may be a problem with my particular phone: HTC Touch, SprintThe default password of -1 is for a read-only connection to APRS-IS. You should delete it completely and put your own password/passcode in. If you have an incorrect password, your position updates will not be accepted by properly configured APRS-IS servers. However, it turns out that the default configuration files sent out for javAPRSsrvr were not originally requiring authentication, so you might be connecting to one of those. As the configurations get updated, the proper password for your callsign will be required. Sometimes when I go back to check my "configure", my own password code is displayed already in the Filter box. It is difficult to clear, either I need to type anything over it, accept that then type spaces over the jibberish I typed in and rehit accept.Your password should not be showing up in the Filter box. If it is, I've got a bug somewhere. I'm not quite following your description of clearing it, but if you simply click the cursor to the end of the field and type backspaces, it should clear. This is, of course, assuming a keyboard and/or touch screen that allows you to do so. You can always edit the APRSISCE.XML file that should be located in My Documents in a plain text editor to make the change as well. Only do this when the client is closed or your changes will be lost when the client writes out an updated copy on closing. I don't always get the text messaging available. When I go to FindU I sometimes see the text tests I'm sending to another radio, but not always. Have I set something incorrectly?You can always double-click on the N/A (or callsign, if you've received a message), or use Menu/Messages/Send Message to bring up the message sending dialog. Clicking on a station checks the APRS data types being transmitted by that station to determine if messaging is supported. If so, APRSISCE offers you to send a message. if not, you can only dismiss the station information dialog. I need to get after the Tracker2 and TinyTrak4 folks to allow users to configure their message support. These particular trackers support messaging but only with a suitably connected Nuvi GPS (for the Tracker2) or a display and PS/2 keyboard (for the TT4). However, neither tracker currently has the ability to specify that messaging is supported. Of course, the messaging capabilities of KISS-interfaced TNCs is entirely dependent on the software on the other end of the KISS link. I realize this is a BETA, but I can really see how neat this will be when it's completed. Great work.Thanks. I use it all the time as KJ4ERJ-12 (my AT&T Tilt) and now as KJ4ERJ-15 (on my Vista laptop). I'm always open to suggestions on making it better and/or more usable on different platforms, so please don't hesitate to point out problems or ask for new features! Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile |
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texting problem
svkaereste
Dear Lynn,
Nice to text with you yesterday. In my mind this is the way messaging should work on APRS. Easy and fast. Couple of problems I am having though, which may be a problem with my particular phone: HTC Touch, Sprint After I load the file and unzip it: under password, there already is a "-1" filled in. Is that supposed to be there and my generated pass code should be put in before or after that? Or should I just type over it. It doesn't seem to make any difference. Sometimes when I go back to check my "configure", my own password code is displayed already in the Filter box. It is difficult to clear, either I need to type anything over it, accept that then type spaces over the jibberish I typed in and rehit accept. I don't always get the text messaging available. When I go to FindU I sometimes see the text tests I'm sending to another radio, but not always. Have I set something incorrectly? I realize this is a BETA, but I can really see how neat this will be when it's completed. Great work. John K2QY |
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Re: New user
Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýJohn,I don't know how to do a Today program icon, but I hooked mine into one of the buttons on my Tilt.? The Buttons Control Panel let me tie it directly to the OK button on the phone (lower right corner).? It still works as OK if there's a dialog up, but otherwise it brings APRSISCE to the fore. I'll add the Today screen idea to my ToDo list.? Don't know when it might happen, but some day I might get inspired to research it! Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile svkaereste wrote: ? |
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Program Update interval & GeniusBeaconing
Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
Dave,
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I've extended on the concept of SmartBeaconing (TM by the HamHud developers, google it to find out) and call it Genius Beaconing. You can configure the parameters via the Configuration dialog and clicking on the big Genius button. It offers the following parameters: Min Time - Minimum time between beacons in seconds (driving a circle) Max Time - Maximum time between beacons in minutes (sitting still) Bearing Change - Beacon if bearing changes by this many degrees (or more) Forecast Error - in 0.10 miles (see discussion below) Max Distance - In 0.10 miles (see discussion below) The last two parameters are what makes up my Genius Beaconing. APRSISCE keeps track of what was sent in the most recent beacon, particularly the speed and bearing component. If an outside observer was to extrapolate the last position by the speed and bearing for the time since the beacon, they would think you were somewhere. The local GPS knows where you actually are. When the difference between these two points is more than the Forecast Error, a beacon is generated. The forecast position is shown in the circle by that little red dot that moves outwards from the center. When it reaches the circle, the beacon is generated. This parameter will tend to generate beacons for slight turns that don't trigger the Bearing Change as well as generating beacons when your speed changes (faster or slower) by a substantial amount. Because the forecast error won't generate beacons in steady non-turning motion, there's also the Max Distance parameter. Even if the forecast error is keeping pretty close to where you actually are, if you've traveled more than the Max Distance, a beacon will be generated anyway. When you're sitting still, the Max Time applies. This is designed to be very long just to keep the system current while you're parked. The Min Time is used to prevent lots of small changes (like driving in circles) from triggering a bunch of updates. APRSISCE will hold off any beacons for at least this time after a beacon was last sent. It shows this in one of the small red lines in the APRS OK box at the top center of the screen. There are actually three small color bars at the bottom of the box above the top edge of the circle. These three bars show (not sure which is which right now, but if you watch them, you'll soon see which is which): 1) Time since last reception from APRS-IS. This extends from left to right until it reaches the configured Quiet Time maximum at which point APRSISCE will force a disconnect on the assumption that the connection has died in a non-detectable fashion. This is the bar that disappears the instant the stations list scrolls with a new update. 2) Transmit "Pressure". Given the different parameters that can trigger a beacon, APRSISCE shows this bar to give you an idea how long it will be until the next beacon. The line below APRS OK shows which parameter is reaching what percentage of threshold currently driving towards a beacon. This bar grows from left to right and disappears when a beacon is actually sent. 3) Min Time. This bar counts down from right to left as APRSISCE is enforcing the Min Time configuration. Even if the Pressure exceeds 100%, APRSISCE will not issue a beacon until this bar disappears to the left. This is the bar that appears suddenly red and then shrinks down through yellow to green until it disappears until the next beacon. So, you can tweak the Max Time and Forecast/distance parameters to generate more beacons, but I'd encourage you to consider the effects on APRS-IS and what you're actually gaining by transmitting more frequently, especially if you are having your beacons gated to RF. Once you inform the observers that they can rely on your speed and bearing and elapsed time to place you within X (Forecast Error) miles of where you actually are, you probably don't need to beacon any faster. The only parameter I sometimes think about decreasing is the Max Time to something like 10 minutes while parked instead of the 30 minutes that mine is currently set to (I don't remember what the defaults are). Hopefully this answers your question and gives you what you need to know. Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ-12 - Watch my bike track tomorrow morning (hopefully) David Shrum wrote:
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Program Update interval
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýLynn KJ4ERJ, Maybe I haven¡¯t paid enough attention but I¡¯ll ask anyway, I¡¯m wondering if we (the user) can change the interval the program updates while we are using it. The reason I ask there has been a couple of times I was tracking a user (from my home computer) and noticed that it seem like there is a randomness to the updates; sometimes it¡¯ll update 2 or 3 times within a short distance like when you would be slowing down for a turn or accelerating away from a turn but if you are on a mostly strait road it seems to take much longer for the updates. I¡¯m aware we can ¡®force¡¯ an update but that¡¯s not what I¡¯m talking about. ? Thanks, Dave N8PU |
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Re: Can't Run in Windoze 7
APRSISCE6P.exe is NOT a windows application so that is why you get an error
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when you try to run in on a windows PC. Now on the phone, it works fine on my (Alltel) HTC Touch PRO which is running windows mobile 6.1; so I can't offer any help there. Dave N8PU -----Original Message-----
From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of ai4gk Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:47 PM To: aprsisce@... Subject: [aprsisce] Can't Run in Windoze 7 Lynn, I try to open APRSISCE6P.exe on both my laptop and my Samsung phone and I get an error that APRSISCE6P.exe is not a valid Win32 app. 73, Dan AI4GK |
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