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Re: Constant DATA streaming?

Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
 

n1kcg wrote:
Lynn -
1) is the APRSIS-CE application constantly maintaining a DATA STREAM connectivity to the internet, via my data plan on my phone? In other words, while I am beaconing, do I have a connection via my data plan, that never disconnects?

Yes, for APRS-IS to function correctly by displaying all activity, a
constant TCP connection to the APRS-IS server is necessary. This is
true even if you are NOT beaconing. The incoming connection is
controlled by Enables/APRS-IS Enabled. The transmission of your current
location is a combination of GPS Enabled and Tracking Enabled.
Telemetry can also be independently enabled in the current version.
2) Or does APRSIS-CE make a connection,; send a beacon; and then disconnect?
This would be the equivalent of a transmit-only tracker and is not
supported by APRSISCE. The whole purpose of the client is to provide
visibility to what's around you as well as providing visibility of you
to others. That's why I recommend an unlimited data plan.
3) I assume that I need to have a constant functioning of my GPS circuit in my cellphone, in order for APRSIS-CE to work. Is that correct?
Sort of. In order to transmit your position, yes, you have to keep the
GPS enabled. However, to conserve battery life (the GPS eats more than
the data connection), I routinely disable my GPS (double-click on the
gps fix status box) when going indoors. This allows the client to keep
the current picture up-to-date with respect to others, but saves power
by not running the GPS when you're not significantly moving.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile
Check Windows Mobile GPS functions - use VisualGPSce

n1kcg
 

I have a small free tool I use on my Sprint Mogul phone called VisualGPSce that works to display satellites and my gps position, via the built-in phone gps. Some might find it useful to supplement APRSIS-CE and make sure your gps is working.
Constant DATA streaming?

n1kcg
 

Lynn -

1) is the APRSIS-CE application constantly maintaining a DATA STREAM connectivity to the internet, via my data plan on my phone? In other words, while I am beaconing, do I have a connection via my data plan, that never disconnects?

2) Or does APRSIS-CE make a connection,; send a beacon; and then disconnect?

3) I assume that I need to have a constant functioning of my GPS circuit in my cellphone, in order for APRSIS-CE to work. Is that correct?
Re: wake up from battery save mode

n1kcg
 

understood. turning off the GPS is a application stopper also.

At least it is clear how this all seems to work under WM6. I tried the test again this afternoon. Activated APRDISCE and hit the ScreenOff button. everything kept working smoothly.

--- In aprsisce@..., "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

Very good info and I'll give "ScreenOff" a try. I've been looking for
something like that.

One correction though. The power button doesn't suspend APRSISCE (at
least on my Tilt). It DOES shut off the GPS. I do this routinely when
I walk inside a building. The APRS-IS incoming stream continues to
operate as I've received APRS-IS messages after turning off the phone.
I know that beaconing stops because the GPS no longer reports a fix.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

Kevin Jensen wrote:
Okay did further testing to find a way to run APRSISCE continuous, on
battery power only, and found:

1) Never, never, never hit the power button on your cellphone to
blank the screen. Even though in theory, the phone under WM6 should
keep the applications running in the background; instead it puts all
applications in SUSPEND, thus turning off applications. This is no
good for APRSISCE, as it turns it off. Even with the S2U2
application, and APRSISCE loaded as a excepted application to S2U2,
somehow APRSISCE goes into suspend.

2) Instead, to save on battery power, install the applications
"ScreenOff", and map a button to the application. This tool will just
turn the screen off, and do nothing else. Everything else on your WM6
phone will keep working. If you want the screen back on gain hit the
power on button for your phone, and the phone comes back on. Even the
data stream keeps running while the screen is blanked with ScreenOff.

3) Also would like to recommend the WM6 application "LvmTopBat" as it
will keep a thin battery power status bar at the top of every
application. This is great for watching the battery decrease in power
while running APRSISCE.

Just tried this all on my drive to work today. The whole trip was
beaconing and it all recorded and was displayed on a APRS.FI web page.
All while the phone was on battery power only, and the screen was
turned off. No issues for the 1/2 hour drive.
Re: wake up from battery save mode

Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
 

Very good info and I'll give "ScreenOff" a try. I've been looking for
something like that.

One correction though. The power button doesn't suspend APRSISCE (at
least on my Tilt). It DOES shut off the GPS. I do this routinely when
I walk inside a building. The APRS-IS incoming stream continues to
operate as I've received APRS-IS messages after turning off the phone.
I know that beaconing stops because the GPS no longer reports a fix.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

Kevin Jensen wrote:

Okay did further testing to find a way to run APRSISCE continuous, on
battery power only, and found:

1) Never, never, never hit the power button on your cellphone to
blank the screen. Even though in theory, the phone under WM6 should
keep the applications running in the background; instead it puts all
applications in SUSPEND, thus turning off applications. This is no
good for APRSISCE, as it turns it off. Even with the S2U2
application, and APRSISCE loaded as a excepted application to S2U2,
somehow APRSISCE goes into suspend.

2) Instead, to save on battery power, install the applications
"ScreenOff", and map a button to the application. This tool will just
turn the screen off, and do nothing else. Everything else on your WM6
phone will keep working. If you want the screen back on gain hit the
power on button for your phone, and the phone comes back on. Even the
data stream keeps running while the screen is blanked with ScreenOff.

3) Also would like to recommend the WM6 application "LvmTopBat" as it
will keep a thin battery power status bar at the top of every
application. This is great for watching the battery decrease in power
while running APRSISCE.

Just tried this all on my drive to work today. The whole trip was
beaconing and it all recorded and was displayed on a APRS.FI web page.
All while the phone was on battery power only, and the screen was
turned off. No issues for the 1/2 hour drive.
Re: wake up from battery save mode

Kevin Jensen
 

Okay did further testing to find a way to run APRSISCE continuous, on
battery power only, and found:

1) Never, never, never hit the power button on your cellphone to
blank the screen. Even though in theory, the phone under WM6 should
keep the applications running in the background; instead it puts all
applications in SUSPEND, thus turning off applications. This is no
good for APRSISCE, as it turns it off. Even with the S2U2
application, and APRSISCE loaded as a excepted application to S2U2,
somehow APRSISCE goes into suspend.

2) Instead, to save on battery power, install the applications
"ScreenOff", and map a button to the application. This tool will just
turn the screen off, and do nothing else. Everything else on your WM6
phone will keep working. If you want the screen back on gain hit the
power on button for your phone, and the phone comes back on. Even the
data stream keeps running while the screen is blanked with ScreenOff.

3) Also would like to recommend the WM6 application "LvmTopBat" as it
will keep a thin battery power status bar at the top of every
application. This is great for watching the battery decrease in power
while running APRSISCE.

Just tried this all on my drive to work today. The whole trip was
beaconing and it all recorded and was displayed on a APRS.FI web page.
All while the phone was on battery power only, and the screen was
turned off. No issues for the 1/2 hour drive.
Re: Breadcrumb tool - any better ones?

n1kcg
 

the aprs.fi tool seems to do a pretty good job. just had to tweak it some.

--- In aprsisce@..., "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

This one's pretty neat showing our drive to Miami from home...



Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

n1kcg wrote:
Here is a breadcrumb tool to see the point beaconed while you drive. all printed on a map.



But is there something that is better for a tool?





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Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: wake up from battery save mode

Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
 

Thanks for doing the research! Please keep us posted, I'm sure it will
interest all of us. I'm especially interested for when I go mobile
walking without my normal external charger pack to keep the phone happy
for 6-8 hours.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

n1kcg wrote:

Did some more testing of the configuration on my WM6 cellphone. Right mow am leaning towards useing the application S2U2 as a power saver and sleep tool; while using APRSISCE. The latest version of S2U2 has an exceptions list. If I put APRSISCE on the exceptions list the S2U2 will never start in, and APRSISCE keeps running regardless of battery power levels.

Of course all battery power saver startup routines are disabled at all times now. Will keep investigating.




--- In aprsisce@..., "ae5pl" <pete@...> wrote:

I am wondering if there is a way to keep the application active even in battery saver mode... There are some apps that seem to run regardless (Bing, Google Maps, ActiveSync, etc. I would be very interested if there is a way to "mark" the app as always active. I will do some looking through my development stuff on this as well.

73,

Pete AE5PL

--- In aprsisce@..., "n1kcg" <ktjensen@> wrote:

Lynn - thanks for a great application. I am looking for some kind of utility that would wake up the phone from battery saver mode, to allow a beacon of my position.

since phones naturally want to go to battery save mode, there must be some application that will bring my data connection up, activate aprsisce and then put the phone back to sleep. maybe once every five, ten or twenty minutes; assuming i am on battery power,and assuming i have a data connection.

alternatively, wondering if the aprs protocol would allow a mobile station to record its position versus time; and then upload the data when a data connection is re-established. does aprs protocol allow that?
Re: wake up from battery save mode

n1kcg
 

Did some more testing of the configuration on my WM6 cellphone. Right mow am leaning towards useing the application S2U2 as a power saver and sleep tool; while using APRSISCE. The latest version of S2U2 has an exceptions list. If I put APRSISCE on the exceptions list the S2U2 will never start in, and APRSISCE keeps running regardless of battery power levels.

Of course all battery power saver startup routines are disabled at all times now. Will keep investigating.

--- In aprsisce@..., "ae5pl" <pete@...> wrote:

I am wondering if there is a way to keep the application active even in battery saver mode... There are some apps that seem to run regardless (Bing, Google Maps, ActiveSync, etc. I would be very interested if there is a way to "mark" the app as always active. I will do some looking through my development stuff on this as well.

73,

Pete AE5PL

--- In aprsisce@..., "n1kcg" <ktjensen@> wrote:

Lynn - thanks for a great application. I am looking for some kind of utility that would wake up the phone from battery saver mode, to allow a beacon of my position.

since phones naturally want to go to battery save mode, there must be some application that will bring my data connection up, activate aprsisce and then put the phone back to sleep. maybe once every five, ten or twenty minutes; assuming i am on battery power,and assuming i have a data connection.

alternatively, wondering if the aprs protocol would allow a mobile station to record its position versus time; and then upload the data when a data connection is re-established. does aprs protocol allow that?
Re: Breadcrumb tool - any better ones?

n1kcg
 

looks like aprs.fi can do the job well. just needed to get the correct settings

--- In aprsisce@..., "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

This one's pretty neat showing our drive to Miami from home...



Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

n1kcg wrote:
Here is a breadcrumb tool to see the point beaconed while you drive. all printed on a map.



But is there something that is better for a tool?





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Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: Metric system

Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
 

Anton wrote:
Is it possible to switch units to metric system?
I'll add that one to the list. Currently it's very US-centric.
I'm also change path for cached OSM maps to storage card in xml, is it possible to make this directly in menu in next version?
That is already on the list, but I'm glad you found the .XML
configuration file and got it changed. The OSM directory currently
grows and grows without upper bound. A future version will track usage
of the cached tiles and delete ones that have not been referenced for
some configurable time period. I'm also planning to provide some
visibility to how many tiles at the various zoom levels are in the cache
and how much space they occupy.
Also is missing for me possibility for free moving on map (like google maps on wm) without restrictions on aprs station.

That is actually the top of the list, but I really need to manage the
OSM cache before I do this one. When you can drag around the map, you
can really buffer a BUNCH of OSM tiles. My phone currently has over
300MB of cached tiles (yes, mine is on the SD card also).
Aprsisce seems by great plug and play program on wm for novice and lazy nonradio aprs hams like me :) In Slovakia we have problems with only few Radio gate, therefore is only few people on aprs and aprsisce seems to be way for expansion aprs in Slovakia... I play little bit also with aprsce / AGW CE and aprsisce is very easy for setting and using for me.

Thanks for the compliments. I'm striving to keep it simple to use, yet
powerful enough to cover anything most people would want to do.
Sorry for my English, i don't have problem with reading, but with writing something :)

The goal of any language is communication and you have succeeded in
doing that. Thank you for the response and the suggestions!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile
Metric system

 

Is it possible to switch units to metric system?
I'm also change path for cached OSM maps to storage card in xml, is it possible to make this directly in menu in next version?
Also is missing for me possibility for free moving on map (like google maps on wm) without restrictions on aprs station.

Aprsisce seems by great plug and play program on wm for novice and lazy nonradio aprs hams like me :) In Slovakia we have problems with only few Radio gate, therefore is only few people on aprs and aprsisce seems to be way for expansion aprs in Slovakia... I play little bit also with aprsce / AGW CE and aprsisce is very easy for setting and using for me.

Sorry for my English, i don't have problem with reading, but with writing something :)
Re: Breadcrumb tool - any better ones?

Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
 

I'm not sure what sort of tool you are wanting? I use aprs.fi when I
want to look at my track. Or are you looking for something to genera a
static image of a range of time? Something like the stuff you'll find at

(yes,
that's a * dot png)



(zoom in and scroll around to see the details)

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile

n1kcg wrote:

Here is a breadcrumb tool to see the point beaconed while you drive. all printed on a map.



But is there something that is better for a tool?





------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: Breadcrumb tool - any better ones?

Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
 

This one's pretty neat showing our drive to Miami from home...



Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

n1kcg wrote:

Here is a breadcrumb tool to see the point beaconed while you drive. all printed on a map.



But is there something that is better for a tool?





------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links
Breadcrumb tool - any better ones?

n1kcg
 

Here is a breadcrumb tool to see the point beaconed while you drive. all printed on a map.



But is there something that is better for a tool?
Windows Mobile (WM5 or 6) and running APRSISCE continuous

n1kcg
 

Just some tips on how to run Winodws Mobile and to keep the APRSISCE application running continuous.

1) Turn off power save mode when plugged in. Typically you would have your cellphone plugged into a power outlet in the car to keep the application running, so why not just turn off any power save mode.

2) Turn off the AUTOMATIC LOCK tool in Windows Mobile. The locking tool seems to also deactivate any application running.

3) Turn off the AUTOMATIC SCREEN DIMMING tool. It also seems to deactivate any application running. Make sure you do not turn the screen off, as that puts applications in suspend.

I will be doing more testing with a screen blanker, and seeing how long the power can last with the APRSISCE running continuous.
KJ4ERJ-SSIDs

Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
 

Someone inquired about my KJ4ERJ-AP callsign, so I thought I'd give you all a list of the -SSIDs I use, just in case you ever receive a message from one of them. Rest assured, ALL KJ4ERJ-xx are really me (in one shape or form). (Yes, this is THE Lynn as I've been referred to recently by two completely independent people). (And no, I don't have an ego as large as Richard Heene. I'm just trying to further APRS by providing a new, update-able, APRS-IS client application.)

KJ4ERJ - My original IGate, now used for testing and comparing the receive abilities of various TNC/Radio combinations vs my primary IGate. This is actually a javAPRSsrv IGate callsign related to -5 and whatever TNC I hook it up to.

KJ4ERJ-1 - Don't remember what I used this one for, but it's been idle for 9 months

KJ4ERJ-2 - My primary javAPRSsrv IGate software (related to -6 & -7)

KJ4ERJ-5 - APRS-IS access callsign for my original IGate KJ4ERJ (w/o SSID)

KJ4ERJ-6 - APRS-IS access callsign for my primary IGate KJ4ERJ-2 (and -7)

KJ4ERJ-7 - TinyTrak4/Icom IC-T22A (HT) on a copper cactus at 20' as my primary IGate

KJ4ERJ-8 - Kenwood D7 mobile HT in my car on a 1/4 wave Hershey Kiss antenna (on loan from AI4GK)

KJ4ERJ-9 - Alinco DR-135/T2-135/Nuvi350 in my car on a 5/8 wave dual bander

KJ4ERJ-10 - UI-View software on my laptop. Interfaces via -IS normally, but may go mobile via some TNC in the future.

KJ4ERJ-12 - APRSISCE for Windows Mobile on my AT&T Tilt phone. This is nearly always on, and nearly always with me.

KJ4ERJ-14 - Formerly an Alinco DR-135/T2-135/Nuvi350 in wife's van. This is now KJ4OVQ-9 now that she is licensed!

KJ4ERJ-15 - Unfiltered feed APRS-IS monitor instance of APRSIS32 (a soon-to-be-released APRSISCE for Windows)

KJ4ERJ-3 - I don't think I've used this one yet!
KJ4ERJ-4 - Ditto on the not-used-yet
KJ4ERJ-11 - Haven't used this one yet
KJ4ERJ-13 - Nope, haven't used it either

That's the end of the RF-legal SSIDs. The following -SSIDs are used for exclusively APRS-IS Internet access:

KJ4ERJ-AP - APRSIS32 testing instance monitoring APRSISCE for Windows Mobile users via u/APWM* filter. I watch the behavior of various tracks to validate (or invalidate) features of the client as you all move around. It's easier (especially in the latest version with the Message option in the station popup menu) to send you a message from this one.

KJ4ERJ-BK - Originally an APRSIS32 monitoring an APRS-tracked bike ride in the Pacific NorthWest, but re-purposed to monitoring Planet Earth for posted Earthquakes and Hurricanes (I DO live in Florida, after all). I do this with a filter of s/@/@Q and a configured lat/lon just off of 0/0.

KJ4ERJ-SA - An APRS-IS Satellite monitor using APRSIS32 via a filter of s/S/S and also a configured lat/lon just off of 0/0.

KJ4ERJ-?? - There's another -SSID I've used for Xastir running in a VM, but I really don't remember which one it was/is and I haven't re-installed VmWare on my laptop since upgrading it to Windows 7 RTM.

Ok, so you're wondering when you can get a copy of APRSIS32 for Windows? I need to implement a way to configure your lat/lon without manually editing the XML configuration file. I'd also like to figure out a way to allow multiple windows (with custom filters) from a single APRSIS32 instance with a single APRS-IS connection running the merged filters of all window instances. Right now, I run my own local javAPRSsrvr server with a single full feed from which I filter the various feeds for my APRSIS32 instances. This works for me, but I really want a better way to handle multiple views with a single feed.

For those of you familiar with UI-View's "local server", that's what I'm shooting for within APRSIS32, but with an automatic filter built from the various views. Consider the power of this with the new "center on" function of APRSISCE and you'll see where I'm headed! I've even considered a full-screen version that moves the circles around and overlaps/merges them as centered stations get close enough provided the circles are running a shared zoom. That's way-out-there, blue-sky thinking at the moment though.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile

PS. On a loosely-related project note, you can see the recent RF APRS traffic rates to my IGate at:



or



PPS. If you've made it this far, please reply back with your top two or three requests for the next release of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile. The top one on my list is to be able to drag the map around on the screen without hopping from station to station using the Center option. I'm hoping for a hold/drag/release interaction to move the map.
Re: wake up from battery save mode

ae5pl
 

I am wondering if there is a way to keep the application active even in battery saver mode... There are some apps that seem to run regardless (Bing, Google Maps, ActiveSync, etc. I would be very interested if there is a way to "mark" the app as always active. I will do some looking through my development stuff on this as well.

73,

Pete AE5PL

--- In aprsisce@..., "n1kcg" <ktjensen@...> wrote:

Lynn - thanks for a great application. I am looking for some kind of utility that would wake up the phone from battery saver mode, to allow a beacon of my position.

since phones naturally want to go to battery save mode, there must be some application that will bring my data connection up, activate aprsisce and then put the phone back to sleep. maybe once every five, ten or twenty minutes; assuming i am on battery power,and assuming i have a data connection.

alternatively, wondering if the aprs protocol would allow a mobile station to record its position versus time; and then upload the data when a data connection is re-established. does aprs protocol allow that?
Re: 10/16/2009 Release Notes

ae5pl
 

--- In aprsisce@..., "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

Here's what's new in APRSISCE6P091016.zip

20) Sending an APRS message that starts with ? will suppress the request
for an ack. This seems to be necessary to talk to some servers. If you
need an ack on a ? message (like sending ? to CQSERV), enter it as
<space>? and the ack will be requested.
As you probably know, an unnumbered message that starts with a ? is considered a directed query (see the Queries section of the APRS spec). A numbered message's text is not mapped to anything within the spec.

You might have a separate Query entry (could allow generic queries as well although those are blocked on APRS-IS due to the sheer volume of responses) instead of melding them into your message form. Part of the reason for separate is because people tend to look for a response but many queries result in posits or status packets being sent which won't show up in a message window. Just a thought.

73,

Pete AE5PL
wake up from battery save mode

n1kcg
 

Lynn - thanks for a great application. I am looking for some kind of utility that would wake up the phone from battery saver mode, to allow a beacon of my position.

since phones naturally want to go to battery save mode, there must be some application that will bring my data connection up, activate aprsisce and then put the phone back to sleep. maybe once every five, ten or twenty minutes; assuming i am on battery power,and assuming i have a data connection.

alternatively, wondering if the aprs protocol would allow a mobile station to record its position versus time; and then upload the data when a data connection is re-established. does aprs protocol allow that?
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