Keyboard Shortcuts
ctrl + shift + ? :
Show all keyboard shortcuts
ctrl + g :
Navigate to a group
ctrl + shift + f :
Find
ctrl + / :
Quick actions
esc to dismiss
Likes
- APRSISCE
- Messages
Search
|
Re: Feedback solicitation
Francisco Guerra
开云体育I'm trying both windows mobile and win32 versions. The first in a Samsung i900 device with Windows Mobile 6.1, and the other in Windows XP.I like both of them very much. The wm version solves a problem when you have not a RF device or a digi ear you. It will be good to have RF acess too, and the possibility of igate in mobile or in fixed station. Em 2009.12.13 4:07, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh escreveu: ?Ok. But howto in Windows Mobile? I have not a wheel nor left/right keys. I think "mouse-hover" is a good approach. I'm using a MFJ-1278 in a computer with Xastir and AGWPE+Ui-View in another one with Windows XP and a soundcard. It will be good if you can use the soundcard and/or the bluetooth in both versions. Ok. I can connect the MFJ via? bluetooth with the Windows Mobile device or with the desktop computer. The "+-" works different from other programms like Google Earth. In Google "+" zooms in and "-" out. What does the color of the station mean? Usually they are green, but some are black or red. Can you configure the programs to use metric instead of imperial units? Thank you Best 73's CT1AKV, Francisco Guerra |
|
|
Re: Feedback solicitation
Lynn,
?
I'm running APRSISCE for Windows Mobile on my AT&T Tilt 2 phone.?
?
?
I've done some basic experimentation and have only had it operating while mobile a couple times.
?
I have?at least gotten it?configured and feeding packets and location/telemetry data into the APRS-IS.
?
One thing I've found is that my?default zoom level was all the way out and I essentially have a?postage stamp size world map with?my tiny?icon in the middle.
?
For?zooming?I am not able to get anything to work via the?screen, but I can use the up and down keys on my physical slide out?keyboard to adjust the zoom.
?
The?red center?dot while mobile seems to move?randomly and wildly about at times.
?
Also I'm not?seeing any?other icons or stations showing up.??I have set to show all, do I need to explicity indicate stations that I'd like to see?? Or maybe I have something else configured incorrectly.? So far I seem to only have a one way connection out to APRS-IS,?and I'm not getting anything back.
?
One thing that would be helpful while mobile is a way to keep the sceen active/alive.? I've seen this setting on?other gps/mapping programs that I've used before and is helpful while mobile and not using external power and not wanting to change any other global screen dimming and power saving settings.? Also possibly a way to keep the program active and sending data when the application is minimized.? Right now I can only feed data if the application stays active, is maximized, and the sceen doesn't go to sleep.
? Also I haven't figured out how to get?a short cut in my start menu or programs on Windows Mobile.? It would definetly be good to get that and the?missing application icon resolved for future installs.
?
That's what I have for now for some basic testing and interaction.? Is indeed fun to experiement with this additional option for APRS, and look forward to future versions and enhancements.? Also if folks have any other thoughts for my issues above, feel free to comment.
?
Thanks,
?
Jeff KC8NNO
Toledo Ohio
?
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@...> wrote: Ok, there's been quite a few new members of the group over the past few |
|
|
Re: Feedback solicitation
Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
John Woods wrote:
The left/right arrow keys will vary the transparency of the maps. It defaults to 50% which is why it appears pale. If you crank it down (left) to zero, expect to see your stations jump as it switches from a Mercatur Projection required by the maps to a circular distance and bearing display centered on the screen center. Make some rather interesting displays if you're connected to a full feed. (Incidentally, to see a full feed on the Win32 version, close the program, edit the APRSIS32.XML file in the directory with the .EXE and change the <APRSPort> from 14580 to 10152. You'll see TONS of stations RIPPING by!) I'm not sure what the various boxes in the corners and at the bottom of the screen do yet, I think I need to feed a GPS into the PC to activate them. Would it be possible to have some stock text displayed to inform the user what the boxes are for , even if they're not in use?I've listed a pertinent part of APRSISCE.TXT from the Files section of the web site below. It talks about the various corners of the screen, but in a portrait orientation. If you have your View/Map/Wide checked, the screen layout should match the description. I'll see if I can maybe do a mouse-hover popup on them or something. However, once you learn which is what, any sort of popup or hover would simply get annoying. Read the text below and see if it answers your questions. I don't include this file in the release zip because it's right there in the Files section where you downloaded the .ZIP from. And you probably only need to read it once... I don't own a phone that will support APRSISCE (yet!).I JUST got the KISS RF feeding APRS packets into the screen within the past 30 minutes. I've got too much hard-coded (like the BlueTooth serial port name) to release it just yet, and I want to have RF beaconing working as well. And I believe I need to support some KISS setup/takedown strings for those foolish TNCs that don't remember to stay in KISS mode when power is cycled. Can you all drop a note describing your APRS RF station and particularly the TNC you use and what it takes to enter and exit KISS mode? If you tell me what it takes, you improve the chances of having your TNC support on the first RF release of the program. Oh, and if all goes well, if you have a BlueTooth serial (rather than a true RS-232 port or a USB serial) adapter to connect to your TNC, the Windows Mobile version will also be able to do direct RF for those SmartPhone users without Internet access. Thanks and regards - John G1EUH.You're welcome and thanks for the feedback and the questions! Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32 From APRSISCE.TXT in the Files section of teh Yahoo group (I have NOT recently read this for accuracy, but it should be close). Here are some notes about the other program features: Double-Clicking the top center rectangle will show a series of message boxes enumerating the connections configured on your device. This is for my debugging lost connections. - Note that in some network situations, the client may appear to hang for 30-60 seconds. You can access other applications on your phone and APRSISCE will eventually recover. Clicking an Icon in the center brings up a message box providing some data about who/what that thing is including range (distance) and bearing, their last known coordinates, and the time that information was received. The "via" in the title is the name of the IGate that ported that packet to APRS-IS. The along the center of the left edge changes the zoom level for the circle. If you have up/down buttons or a thumb wheel, they may also drive the zoom. It defaults to 8 miles radius (16 miles across). Plus will increase the viewable range (zoom out - show more) and minus will decrease the viewable range (zoom in - show fewer). The icons will automatically shrink if you zoom out really far. The upper left corner shows the "local" stations as they report in. You can double-click any one of these to see the same information accessible from the center circle. The upper right corner shows your speed and immediately under that is your heading. Below that is an accumulated odometer. Double-clicking the odometer will offer to clear it along with your current track (the black line drawn in the center circle when you move). The bars on the right are (from outside (right) to inside): current battery state, number of track points accumulated, and number of stations stored. If the station bar goes full range and red, it starts replacing the oldest station. The program is currently built to hold 128 stations. The box in the lower right corner shows the status of the GPS fix and the bars along the bottom show the satellites in use and in view. Above the satellites in the lower left corner is your altitude with background color bars showing the vertical and horizontal DOP (dilution of precision). Above the altitude and below the bar is the current zoom radius in miles or feet (with a '). If you double-click a station that APRSISCE believes can receive messages, you can send it a message. To send a message to any station, use Menu/Send Message from the lower right corner. Select or key in the To: callsign and enter your desired text. A pop-up will appear when/if you receive an Ack. Received messages will be accessible in the upper left corner box immediately below the scrolling incoming stations. Double-click it if it goes green to read your messages and optionally reply. |
|
|
Re: Feedback solicitation
Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
The version that is currently released doesn't support GPS on Win32, but
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
only on Windows Mobile. I've got the next version approaching release that will support an NMEA GPS via COM port (or BlueTooth COM port) on Win32 as well as direct access to a KISS TNC via the same mechanisms. Watch this space over the next two weeks or so. Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32 John Woods wrote:
|
|
|
Re: Feedback solicitation
John Woods
--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh wrote:
|
|
|
Re: Feedback solicitation
John Woods
|
|
|
Feedback solicitation
Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
Ok, there's been quite a few new members of the group over the past few weeks so it's time to hear some feedback.
Who of you is running APRISCE on Windows Mobile? And what platform is it on? Who has dared the new APRSIS32 for Win32 and what's your opinion of it? Tell me what features you like, what you don't like, and what drives you crazy (like the slightest move while trying to click on the screen ends up moving the map and locking the center)? I'd like to improve the product and move it towards becoming a UI-View replacement, so let me know what you'd like to see. If all goes well, there should be a release soon that supports KISS TNCs for direct RF access as well! This will enable mobile IGate operation via your phone if you have either a real serial port or a BlueTooth to serial adapter on your TNC. I can't make the program better if I don't hear what you'd like difference! Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32 |
|
|
Re: 2009/12/03 - New Release! - Station Tracking
Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
Dave,
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
First, both the Windows Mobile and the Win32 clients expect an "always on" connection. They are first and foremost an APRS-IS (not RF) client and cannot get data without the Internet. With that said... If you want to always receive a particular station's packets when you are connected and regardless of where it goes, you can add it as a buddy or a friend filter. The difference is whether you receive just that station, or the station and other stations within a specified radius of that station. The two filters would be added to the (blank delimited) Add Filter field of the configuration dialog. As you can see below, the Budlist supports both wildcards and multiple calls in a single instance while the friend filter needs to specify the full call-ssid of the moving station along with a range in kilometers from that station's most recently beaconed position. You can even put a b/ filter for the call-* (all -ssids) along with an f/call-ssid/range filter for the particular -ssid you're most interested in. That way you receive any packets from the station before any position beacons have been received. Finally, the client automatically adds an f/call-ssid/range filter using the configured range whenever you click on the station and select "Center" from the pop-up menu. The map will move to the center and will automatically move to the most recently received position of that station. This is very handy for just watching a truck go by on the local interstate, for instance, whereas configuring explicit b/ or f/ filters is good for when your son and daughter head out of state on a road trip! The centered station is not remembered when the client is restarted, but the filter settings are, although you'd still have to find the station and re-initiate the Center action to get the map to track it after restarting. Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32 From #3 b/ Budlist filter The budlist filter will pass traffic based on exact match of the sender's call or call starts with a specific pattern (from V 1.4). Also the SSID is part of the exact match. Syntax: b/call1/p1*/call3/p2*... Where: b = budlist command call# = The prefix (starting) pattern p# = The prefix (starting) pattern Samples: *b/SM5NRK * This will pass all traffic from SM5NRK without any SSID *b/SM5NRK-5/SK5UM * This will pass all traffic from SM5NRK-5 and from SK5UM *b/K** This will pass all traffic from stations starting with K *b/SM5NRK/F* * This will pass all traffic from SM5NRK and all stations starting with F #11 f/ Friend Range filter The friend filter works the same as My range filter, except you define which call-ssid should be used (see more above). Up to 9 friend filters can be defined. This is a moving filter so it follows the call-ssid last known position. Note: This will not work until a valid position has been sent from the call-ssid defined. Syntax: f/call/dist Where: f = friend range command call = call to be used as center of the range dist = distance in kilometers from lat/lon. Samples: *f/SM5NRK/500* This will pass all traffic within 500 km from SM5NRK's last position. David Shrum wrote: Lynn, |
|
|
Re: 2009/12/03 - New Release! - Station Tracking
Lynn,
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
I suspect I just missed it somewhere but how do I make the map track a specific station, not mine since I don't have an 'always on' Internet connection. Do I put that call in the 'add filter' location then "OK" it? Thanks, Dave N8PU -----Original Message-----
From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of Lynn W. Deffenbaugh Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 3:17 AM To: aprsisce@... Subject: [aprsisce] 2009/12/03 - New Release! 1) Map display dragging! You can now drag the map anywhere you want in addition to still centering on (and following) a specific station. The filter is automatically adjusted to include the configured range around the map center (r/lat/lon/range) in addition to the range around the home (GPS on Windows Mobile) location (m/range). If you are centered on a station, the range around that station is added to the filter (f/call/range). No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.91/2541 - Release Date: 12/02/09 14:43:00 |
|
|
Passcode for Win32
Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
Oh, one more thing. You'll need a passcode to successfully beacon from APRSIS32. You can use the same passcode that you have from your APRSISCE for Windows Mobile or any other APRS-IS client that you use.
If you don't have a passcode for your callsign (-SSID doesn't matter), drop me a private e-mail and I'll send you one! Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISxx |
|
|
2009/12/03 - New Release!
Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
Here's what's new in the APRSISCE6P091203.zip (In the Files section)
1) Map display dragging! You can now drag the map anywhere you want in addition to still centering on (and following) a specific station. The filter is automatically adjusted to include the configured range around the map center (r/lat/lon/range) in addition to the range around the home (GPS on Windows Mobile) location (m/range). If you are centered on a station, the range around that station is added to the filter (f/call/range). 2) Save/Restore map center position if not tracking self. 3) Mouse wheels do zoom on the Win32 platform (unless someone has a wheel mouse on Windows Mobile?). 4) Support loading and displaying GPX and LOC (untested) files from GeoCaching.com. Windows Mobile displays only the short description while Win32 provides the full description. Use View/Geocaches to toggle on and off. To load multiple files, load one, toggle it off, load another. Repeat as necessary (and memory allows). 5) Station address lookup from GeoNames.org - Access from the station popup menu. 6) OSM Tiles are now purged after an xml-configurable RetainDays (defaults to 7). Double-clicking the circle tells you how many tiles are cached and how much space they occupy, but only after the client has been running a while. 7) On the Win32 platform, tiles are marked as referenced when accessed. This is too slow on the Windows Mobile platform, so even frequently used tiles will be deleted in 7 days until I figure out a better way to do it. 8) Improved OSM Tile Fetcher read timing to display freshly fetched tiles faster. 9) Support decaying time retransmission of messages until an ack is received or it times out. First retry is in 31 seconds with 15 seconds added for each retry up to 6 transmissions. /* Retries Seconds */ /* 0 31 */ /* 1 46 */ /* 2 61 */ /* 3 76 */ /* 4 91 */ /* 5 106 */ /* Total 411=6.85 minutes */ 10) Message acks must come from the addressed station. The iPhone IBCNU app acknowledges ANY subsequent messages sent by a station that previously sent to the IBCNU station. APRSISCE now informs you that some other station "pirated" a subsequent ack. 11) Revamp how packets are tested for reasonableness to take into account calculated speed and duplications. "Invalid" packets are remembered, but not drawn with connected lines as it is unlikely that the station actually moved that way. 12) View/Invalids similar to view duplicates to only see stations with Invalid (too quick/too fast) track points. 13) Track point validity can be one of the following displayed in the indicated colors on the map (sometimes without connecting lines). The background of the scrolling station display will also display in this color for non-OK packets. OK - Normal black dot (Purple) Duplicate - Duplicate position received within 10 minutes (Pink) Quick - Less than 1 second between packets (Red) Fast - Calculated speed too fast (Aqua) Restart - "Jumped" 14) Calculate (and display in station popup) both Instantaneous (packet-to-packet) speed and rolling (4 sample) average. Track points will not be connected (and will be drawing in ???) if they move "too fast". Speed is learned, so even jet airplanes might only skip 2 or 3 packets. Satellites are even displayed after a short "acceleration" period. 15) Parse Lat/Lon extended digits (!DAO!). Some station popups will show additional minute decimal places. Due to space constrains, a full 4 digit precision station will show 3 digits and a + rather than the 4 digits displayed in the Win32 version. "My" coordinates are displayed in high resolution, although !DAO! is not yet transmitted. 16) Ignore $GPRMC packets without valid fix flag 17) Changed a few prompts on the configuration dialog. 18) Require callsign to be set when a new configuration file is created. 19) Prompt for location of OSM Tile cache when a new configuration file is created. 20) In Win32, record screen center as "home" coordinates the first time the program is exited after a new configuration file is created. This is used for beaconing a fixed position from Win32 at the Genius Beaconing(r) Max Time rate (default 30 minutes) if both GPS and Tracking are enabled. It can be changed by editing the XML configuration file. 21) Default initial Win32 screen to 640x480 in a system-determined position. Actual size and location are recorded and restored when program is restarted. 22) Fixed a nasty notification lockup bug if the last received message is dismissed from the notification window with previously received messages pending. I actually restructured a bunch of memory buffers in a misguided thought that large local variables (TCHAR[256] for those programmers out there) were at the root of this issue, but it turned out much simpler than that. Oh well! To Dos: (Still Incomplete and getting LONGER instead of SHORTER!) Support checking revision of tiles when loading, via OpenStreetMap.org's /status URL. Find a way to mark tiles referenced on Windows Mobile without slowing down map loading (queue references to fetcher thread?). Use HTTP/1.1 in OSM Tile Fetcher to improve throughput (multiple tile fetches on a single connection). Implement a compass direction/distance screen for homing in on GeoCaches. NMEA serial (BlueTooth) GPS support, primarily for Win32, but may also work on Windows Mobile. KISS TNC support via serial (BlueTooth) ports for both Win32 and Windows Mobile. Remember and provide for re-display of received messages. If target station's platform is known, format message sending screen accordingly. Optionally transmit either 1 or 2 !DAO! digits. Parse and display Frequency object information Support the -180/180 latitude wrap with closest display tile Find a better icon scaling algorithm based on screen size & scale Allow non-initial (re)configuration of location for OSMTiles cache (w/o editing XML) Allow configuration of date/time display & GMT vs local (Dave N8PU) Allow configurable removal of some screen elements (Satellites, John N8JJ) Record/Recall last DNS/IP for OSM/APRS-IS (in config file, for connecting without DNS) Asynchronous TCP/IP connections & reading (solves hangs) Timeout on OSM Tile fetcher (solves stalls) Implement whatever results from the Zoom +/- Poll Win32 client only for the following: Simultaneously track multiple targets in separate circles Detect and highlight source of delayed duplications Additional View/Filter options based on symbol types Feed-through APRS-IS with local filters (for multiple instances of Win32 version with a single full feed to APRS-IS). |
|
|
APRSIS32 Released
Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
Yes, the much hinted-at APRSIS32 client for Windows on your desktop has now been released! However, don't throw out your cell-phone just yet. The desktop client doesn't support GPS nor real tracking, just a fixed location beacon. But the visibility is AMAZING!
Here's how to get it going. 1) Download APRSIS32091203.zip from the APRSISCE Yahoo Group files section. 2) Unzip into a directory of your choice. 3) Double-click the .EXE file. 4) Configure your callsign-ssid (make it different from your phone!) and you might want to expand the Range and/or add a few additional filter sections. The client will automatically make a Me filter (only works if you allow it to beacon with both GPS and Tracking enabled) as well as adding a Range filter around the screen center if you drag it around. Click accept when you're done. 5) Select or create a directory into which the OSM tiles will be saved (mine weighs in at 756 MB, but I've been zooming in and out all over the world). I use OSMTiles as a sub-directory of the directory containing the .EXE. Click Save when you have it in the right place. 6) Drag the map around and zoom in on your home location. Make sure you have it centered in the circle (size the window smaller if you need to). 7) Close the program. This will record the center location as your "Home" coordinates to be used for beaconing. If you need to change this, you can edit the APRSIS32.XML file located in the directory, but make sure the client is NOT RUNNING! Otherwise your changes will be overwritten when the client exits. 8) Restart the client and have fun! Post any questions, problems, or suggestions here. Also please post if you've downloaded it and are using it. If things look good in a week or two I'll de-cloak it into some of the other APRS mailing lists and Yahoo groups. Please do NOT distribute the program but invite your friends to join this Yahoo Group and download their own copy. That way they'll receive update notifications and have a line to the developer to report problems and ask questions. Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile AND Win32! |
|
|
New file uploaded to aprsisce
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the aprsisce group. File : /APRSIS32091203.zip Uploaded by : ldeffenb <kj4erj@...> Description : 2009/12/03 First Release for Win32! You can access this file at the URL: To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: Regards, ldeffenb <kj4erj@...> |
|
|
New file uploaded to aprsisce
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the aprsisce group. File : /APRSISCE6P091203.zip Uploaded by : ldeffenb <kj4erj@...> Description : 2009/12/03 Release for Windows Mobile You can access this file at the URL: To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: Regards, ldeffenb <kj4erj@...> |
|
|
New file uploaded to aprsisce
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the aprsisce group. File : /20091203 APRSISCE Notes.txt Uploaded by : ldeffenb <kj4erj@...> Description : 2009/12/03 Release Notes You can access this file at the URL: To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: Regards, ldeffenb <kj4erj@...> |
|
|
Re: Delay connect message
jamesmhz
Ok, sorted it out...
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
This is for anyone else that has a Blackjack 2 smartphone. If you have connection issues be sure to check the following: Start > Settings > Connections > GPRS (but dont click on it, click menu and go "advanced") then make sure "internet" is on your main internet ISP selection. After that reboot and you shouldn't have any disconnections, delay connect etc. I did experience a slow seeking of GPS's, I went around that by loading my Garmin Mobile XT then once Garmin had sourced the birds I closed it and went back into APRSISCE which I left running, and the birds we all connected as well as my internet :) Sean ZR5BBL --- In aprsisce@..., "jamesmhz" <brad@...> wrote:
|
|
|
Re: Delay connect message
jamesmhz
I'm looking forward to the message when I'm stable :)
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
I didn't notice you could change servers till you mentioned, I took another squiz through the file and found it. Perhaps I'll try a number of servers and maybe that might also help. From the list at I see there's none in South Africa but I'll ping around and find one that is close, who knows, might fix some connection issues. Looking forward to being online! S --- In aprsisce@..., "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:
|
|
|
Re: Delay connect message
Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
That's certainly news! I'm glad you have it isolated.
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
The APRSISCE.XML file is editable when the client is not running if you'd like to specify a different, possibly more-local APRS-IS server to connect to. I believe it ships connecting to one of the rotate level 2 servers, but I'm not actually sure any more. Just make sure you connect to a filtered port (typically 14580) or you can rapidly overwhelm the best cellular data connection! I'll be watching for your station to get stabilized. Don't be surprised to receive an APRS message from KJ4ERJ-AP sometime!. Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ jamesmhz wrote: Hey Lynn, |
|
|
Re: Delay connect message
jamesmhz
Hey Lynn,
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Got good news and bad news... good news, it works! Managed to get a solid connection via mobile internet. The bad news, it didn't last long. The issue is clearly the mobile ISP I have and will try sort it out. I saw my callsign pop up on the web aprs though which confirmed it's working. Thanks! Sean ZR5BBL --- In aprsisce@..., "jamesmhz" <brad@...> wrote:
|
|
|
Re: Delay connect message
jamesmhz
Hi Lynn,
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Thanks for the swift reply. You were right about the net connection there, there seems to be an issue (this is africa afterall,mobile internet gives issues), I'll do some more tests and if they continue after I've got a solid connection, I'll pop those files through :) --- In aprsisce@..., "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:
|
to navigate to use esc to dismiss