I think you might be misunderstanding my point.? The group name IS correct for what the marketplace overwhelmingly uses the term "mini lathe" for the.7xWhatever Chinese lathes whether Harbor Freight or all of the other rebrandings, Little Machine Shop, Arc Euro Trade, and many more.

A watchmakers lathe is a completely different category of lathe in my view.

Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 12:40:09 PM PST, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:

??? so we should change the group name ?

??? ??? animal

On 1/14/24 12:01 PM, Charles Kinzer wrote:

I don't consider the "mini lathe" remotely derivative from any typical watchmakers lathe. Other than the aspect of "small", they are completely different.? The mini lathe is an "engine lathe" and is just a scaled down version of larger lathes of that type.

Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 11:53:25 AM PST, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:

They look like a mini Monarch 10ee . I think if ya want to get to the evolution of the " mini lathe " that ya need to be having a conversation about the Loarch , Levin & other watch makers/jewelry lathes . I let a watch makers lathe get away from me many years back for 200 bucks , there must have been 50 collets that came with among other tools & attachments . I'm still kickin myself on that one .

animal

On 1/13/24 11:29 PM, Charles Kinzer wrote:

Good video, as usual.? Yes, as he said those are quite collectible now and fetch a lot of money,

I acquired a MasterSon incarnation one in about 1964 from a friend, actually used it to make some model railroad parts, and then just stored it away until I foolishly sold it.? I bought another many years later that came with the VERY rare carrying case.? The lathes.co.uk site has my photos of that MasterSon lathe with the case.

If you want to read much more, see many more photos, ads, etc. here is the link to the first page of several at lathes.co.uk for these things.

Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 10:36:57 PM PST, Brian VanDragt <bvandragt@...> wrote:

Mr Pete started a video series on small lathes today. He starts with a 2x3 Manson lathe weighing 5.5 pounds.

Brian?

-------- Original message --------

From: Aaron Woods <awoods550@...>

Date: 1/4/24 9:30 AM (GMT-05:00)

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] is this an original minilathe

The terms, mini, micro and baby seem to have originated with Seig. I don't know that there is really much use to more fine grained than "small bench top" lathe' at most maybe "Table top" to distinguish the smaller easily moved (under 100lbs) from the larger more static models.

Swing obviously plays some part in this' but an Atlas /Craftsman 6x18" with its greater weight, and rear mounted motor is much less portable than a 7x14.

I don't consider the "mini lathe" remotely derivative from any typical watchmakers lathe. Other than the aspect of "small", they are completely different.? The mini lathe is an "engine lathe" and is just a scaled down version of larger lathes of that type.

Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 11:53:25 AM PST, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:

They look like a mini Monarch 10ee . I think if ya want to get to the evolution of the " mini lathe " that ya need to be having a conversation about the Loarch , Levin & other watch makers/jewelry lathes . I let a watch makers lathe get away from me many years back for 200 bucks , there must have been 50 collets that came with among other tools & attachments . I'm still kickin myself on that one .

animal

On 1/13/24 11:29 PM, Charles Kinzer wrote:

Good video, as usual.? Yes, as he said those are quite collectible now and fetch a lot of money,

I acquired a MasterSon incarnation one in about 1964 from a friend, actually used it to make some model railroad parts, and then just stored it away until I foolishly sold it.? I bought another many years later that came with the VERY rare carrying case.? The lathes.co.uk site has my photos of that MasterSon lathe with the case.

If you want to read much more, see many more photos, ads, etc. here is the link to the first page of several at lathes.co.uk for these things.

Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 10:36:57 PM PST, Brian VanDragt <bvandragt@...> wrote:

Mr Pete started a video series on small lathes today. He starts with a 2x3 Manson lathe weighing 5.5 pounds.

Brian?

-------- Original message --------

From: Aaron Woods <awoods550@...>

Date: 1/4/24 9:30 AM (GMT-05:00)

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] is this an original minilathe

The terms, mini, micro and baby seem to have originated with Seig. I don't know that there is really much use to more fine grained than "small bench top" lathe' at most maybe "Table top" to distinguish the smaller easily moved (under 100lbs) from the larger more static models.

Swing obviously plays some part in this' but an Atlas /Craftsman 6x18" with its greater weight, and rear mounted motor is much less portable than a 7x14.

Good video, as usual.? Yes, as he said those are quite collectible now and fetch a lot of money,

I acquired a MasterSon incarnation one in about 1964 from a friend, actually used it to make some model railroad parts, and then just stored it away until I foolishly sold it.? I bought another many years later that came with the VERY rare carrying case.? The lathes.co.uk site has my photos of that MasterSon lathe with the case.

If you want to read much more, see many more photos, ads, etc. here is the link to the first page of several at lathes.co.uk for these things.

Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 10:36:57 PM PST, Brian VanDragt <bvandragt@...> wrote:

Mr Pete started a video series on small lathes today. He starts with a 2x3 Manson lathe weighing 5.5 pounds.

Brian?

-------- Original message --------

From: Aaron Woods <awoods550@...>

Date: 1/4/24 9:30 AM (GMT-05:00)

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] is this an original minilathe

The terms, mini, micro and baby seem to have originated with Seig. I don't know that there is really much use to more fine grained than "small bench top" lathe' at most maybe "Table top" to distinguish the smaller easily moved (under 100lbs) from the larger more static models.

Swing obviously plays some part in this' but an Atlas /Craftsman 6x18" with its greater weight, and rear mounted motor is much less portable than a 7x14.

I try fined more data on history.?
About all found was size 6 to 7"
But today you find lathes call mini lathes to 8" swing too.?
Back 1960's you see small simple lathes with 6" swing but they where not call mini lathe just small.

And a gap bed configuration would be another alternative.? This would allow swinging (not necessarily machining to the outside diameter) of a larger disc like piece.? Usually something like a disc where you are machining a smaller feature like a shoulder or boring a hole.

It could be a removable gap piece (cheapest way) or a sliding bed to create the gap or close it.

Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer

On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 01:26:56 PM PST, Miket_NYC <mctaglieri@...> wrote:

I wish someone would make "raising blocks" for the 7x minilathe the way South Bend did to make the "Large Swing" model in this article?

I realize that a bigger lathe is bigger in all dimensions and capabilities, but center height is the main area home hobbyists sometimes wish we had more of.? And owners of bigger lathes do too. Logan made this remarkable gadget to get more center height on their 11" lathe without disturbing the headstock.

As you can see, this fastened on the bed as needed moved the spindle up and to the rear, and slowed it down, connecting on the left side to the original spindle. It's a pity someone doesn't make something like this for the 7x lathe. (Any chance you're reading this,? LMS?)

Mike Taglieri?

I hope this means you're moving to a bigger lathe, not that you're giving up machining. Your contributions here are very valuable.

Mike Taglieri?

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 9:16 PM OldToolmaker via <old_toolmaker=[email protected]> wrote:

What would be good asking price for a well maintained ten year old 7x16 minilathe tooled up with all the standard chucks and tooling? Lathe looks great.
I was thinking maybe 50% of new?
Coments Welcome

On Jan 12, 2024, at 10:25?AM, davesmith1800 <davesmith1@...> wrote:

Chris Albertson

9:56am? ?

One problem is shipping. Companies like Amazon or Grizzly can ship at a much lower cost them you can because of their volume. The buyer, if he is smart, will look at the total delivered cost. You will also do better including only the very minimum of tooling as buyers who are shopping for used equipment are looking for a low cost of entry. Sell the non-essential tooling separately and you might even get more for it.? ?

On 13 Jan 2024, at 03:52, Miket_NYC <mctaglieri@...> wrote:

The warning in red in this photo, and similar ones throughout iFixit's online guide, definitely focus the mind).

The iFixit instructions for this phone are available free at and they're worth reading if you question whether you can do this job -- iPhones with glued-on backs have their own instructions but are similar (There are also many comments in these instructions, including some added by yours truly under the name "MikeT-NYC").

But I was frankly amazed at obliviousness of some of the others who did this job including one commenter who keeps calling iFixit "criminals" for providing instructions that were totally wrong -- it's fairly obvious that he or she was trying to fix a different phone and was reading the wrong instructions.

Also, there were many commenters trying to fix their phones without the proper equipment, particularly for removing the cover. The iFixit kit ($38.96) includes an "iOpener" -- a microwave-heatable gel pack like the kind sold in drug stores for sore muscles, but the size of a large hot dog. Several people asked if they could use a heat gun instead

This is off topic for the subject of this group, but almost everyone here
will be faced with this eventually, and the people here are tech-savvy
folks fully capable of doing what I did, so I'm sharing it anyway.
Tonight I did something I've been planning (and to some extent dreading)
for several months. The buzzards have been circling for the battery in my
Samsung S10e smartphone for quite a while, but I didn't think paying
someone to replace it would be worth the money. So I replaced it myself,
using an iFixit battery and repair kit, plus their online repair guide.
And the job went fine. I've installed batteries in electronic devices
before, but modern phones are waterproof, which means the back covers are
glued on with heat-sensitive adhesive. The part I feared was removing that
cover, since you need to apply enough heat to soften the glue, but too much
heat applied to a lithium battery could do very bad things. (The warning in
red in this photo, and similar ones throughout iFixit's online guide,
definitely focus the mind).
The iFixit instructions for this phone are available free at

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and they're worth reading if you question whether you can do this job --
iPhones with glued-on backs have their own instructions but are similar
(There are also many comments in these instructions, including some added
by yours truly under the name "MikeT-NYC").
But I was frankly amazed at obliviousness of some of the others who did
this job including one commenter who keeps calling iFixit "criminals" for
providing instructions that were totally wrong -- it's fairly obvious that
he or she was trying to fix a different phone and was reading the wrong
instructions.
Also, there were many commenters trying to fix their phones without the
proper equipment, particularly for removing the cover. The iFixit kit
($38.96) includes an "iOpener" -- a microwave-heatable gel pack like the
kind sold in drug stores for sore muscles, but the size of a large hot dog.
Several people asked if they could use a heat gun instead. Of COURSE you
can, if you're a fool. I have several heat guns, but a heat gun puts out
about 500 degrees, and broadcasts the heat everywhere. The iOpener is a
slim little gel tube that gets to about 150 F -- just uncomfortable to the
touch -- and concentrates the heat in a thin strip, so you can nicely heat
the edges of the cover without cooking your battery or the electronics. The
iFixit toolkit is cheap and smartphones are very expensive. So why would
anybody with a three-digit IQ blast 500 degrees onto a phone (containing a
battery well-known for becoming an incendiary device) in order to save $39
on a repair kit?
All in all, this kit was complete and the instructions were thorough. And
so far the battery seems to be a good one. (I've "repaired" other devices
with eBay batteries that turned out to be little improvement on the one I
removed). So if your phone battery is dying and you're reasonably handy, go
for it.

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