Re: Armoire's machine shop the new frontier
I agree.??
have you used a Sherline/Taig/Unimat lathe?
How well do they work?
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I have never used a Sherline/Taig/Unimat lathe.?
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I was looking was under for lathes 24" and weight where two could could pick the lathe or 120 pounds [54 KG].
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A 24" space is to small I think at less 30" Ideally 36".
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I found most Armoire 24" , 30"/32" and 36". I have found a few 18" to 72"
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On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 01:53 AM, Doug Pfaff wrote:
That's where something like a Sherline/Taig/Unimat comes into play, Dave.
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On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 4:16, davesmith1800
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Yeah, I figured that might have been that case, but it doesn’t show up for me.? Oh no, what a shame. ? Tony ? ?
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Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] ANSWER TO GUIDE RULE? It’s on the web version of the forum…which I never, ever use because this is a mailing list! 8-)
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That's where something like a Sherline/Taig/Unimat comes into play, Dave.
On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 4:16, davesmith1800 <davesmith1@...> wrote:
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Armoire's machine shop the new frontier
Any do this Machine shop in Armoire's?
This probably the new frontier for hobby.?
1) Low cost
2) Space saving?
3) Easy to move
4) Low cost in materials?
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I first look at mini as just a ?????
After for over year it is nice.?
I changed because needing to downsize.? With a few upgrades like a good tool post made great lathe. [/COLOR]?
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Then later talking to son lacking space. So then we look hobby Armoire. He looking at other hobbies.?
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Has any one did this or seen done?
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Yeah, I figured that might have been that case, but it doesn’t show up for me.? Oh no, what a shame. ? Tony ? ?
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Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] ANSWER TO GUIDE RULE? It’s on the web version of the forum…which I never, ever use because this is a mailing list! 8-)
? Huh, apparently I’ve been signed up to Facebook or Twitter or whatever without me noticing. On some groups I on there times the thread is off subject. Some times the other groups will month before something on subject comes up it keeps a a live I do not know a way put a second thread to keep everyone happy.??
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All good advice! Think before you act!? ?Bill
Hi Kurt, sorry for the late reply. On my hobby lathe, I can easily fit a 25 dia by 200 mm bar. Between centres, I can fit a 300 mm long bar. ? The point I was making, that whatever lathe you have, there is bound to be an item too long (Murphy’s law). ? We need to think of ways around the problem, some my suggestions are – Use a faceplate Between centres Divide the item in 2 and screw together. If it can go though the headstock spindle, machine section by section, then turn end for end and continue Re-design the item to remove the problem ? There are probably other solutions I have not needed to use – yet !!! ? HTH ??????????? Ellis ? ? ? "It may help to use a faceplate. Sometimes we ?automatically think of 3 jaw chuck and don’t consider alternatives." While the latter statement is true, in situations where the work is too long for the lathe's bed, a faceplate mounting is unlikely to help.? (Example: Working a 1-inch diameter x 8 inch long bar.) If buying one of our hobby lathes, get the longest bed you can afford.
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It’s on the web version of the forum…which I never, ever use because this is a mailing list! 8-)
Like button? ? Huh, apparently I’ve been signed up to Facebook or Twitter or whatever without me noticing. ? Tony ? ? ? On some groups I on there times the thread is off subject. Some times the other groups will month before something on subject comes up it keeps a a live I do not know a way put a second thread to keep everyone happy.??
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Hi Kurt, sorry for the late reply. On my hobby lathe, I can easily fit a 25 dia by 200 mm bar. Between centres, I can fit a 300 mm long bar. ? The point I was making, that whatever lathe you have, there is bound to be an item too long (Murphy’s law). ? We need to think of ways around the problem, some my suggestions are – Use a faceplate Between centres Divide the item in 2 and screw together. If it can go though the headstock spindle, machine section by section, then turn end for end and continue Re-design the item to remove the problem ? There are probably other solutions I have not needed to use – yet !!! ? HTH ??????????? Ellis ? ? ? "It may help to use a faceplate. Sometimes we ?automatically think of 3 jaw chuck and don’t consider alternatives." While the latter statement is true, in situations where the work is too long for the lathe's bed, a faceplate mounting is unlikely to help.? (Example: Working a 1-inch diameter x 8 inch long bar.) If buying one of our hobby lathes, get the longest bed you can afford.
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Like button? ? Huh, apparently I’ve been signed up to Facebook or Twitter or whatever without me noticing. ? Tony ? ?
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Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] ANSWER TO GUIDE RULE? On some groups I on there times the thread is off subject. Some times the other groups will month before something on subject comes up it keeps a a live I do not know a way put a second thread to keep everyone happy.??
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If you really think such a group would be popular, start one!
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Be advised, without intelligent moderation, a group will degenerate into unusable chaos. The old 7x10 group is a classic example of why moderation is needed. From my perspective, the moderators seem to allow brief, shop related discussions that can help many folks.
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BTW,? Posting in all caps is the same as shouting at the dinner table, not something done in polite company.
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Agree.
FYI it is like button?
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Re: LED Machine Lighting Sale
I received notification that my order is in at my local Menards. Based on the number of people who ordered these via the postings I originally made, I suspect I too will not be getting what I ordered.
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I ended up ordering a total of 50 lamps so you can bet I will be raising a huge stink if they are not what I ordered. I made sure to screen shot the original ad the moment I heard about the problem.
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"It may help to use a faceplate. Sometimes we ?automatically think of 3 jaw chuck and don’t consider alternatives."
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While the latter statement is true, in situations where the work is too long for the lathe's bed, a faceplate mounting is unlikely to help.? (Example: Working a 1-inch diameter x 8 inch long bar.)
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Hi everyone. It may help to use a faceplate. ? Sometimes we ?automatically think of 3 jaw chuck and don’t consider alternatives. ? ???????????? Ellis ? ? ? Using a collet only helps in SOME cases.? The part would usually have to be round and small enough diameter to fit the collet.? Therefore, as a solution to the length problem, the value of collets is limited.? A longer bed is the only universal solution for a too short bed. Length can also be reclamed by using a collet
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Using a collet only helps in SOME cases.? The part would usually have to be round and small enough diameter to fit the collet.? Therefore, as a solution to the length problem, the value of collets is limited.? A longer bed is the only universal solution for a too short bed.
Charels E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Thursday, January 2, 2025 at 11:36:38 AM PST, David Wiseman <david@...> wrote:
Length can also be reclamed by using a collet
On 16 Dec 2024, at 07:30, Miket_NYC via groups.io <mctaglieri@...> wrote:
? "For ME, I would absolutely go with the longer bed.? That distance can gets used up pretty fast with a chuck in the headstock, work piece, drill, and Jacobs chuck in the tail stock.? I also like a longer bed so I can move the tailstock further out of my way when not using it."
I agree completely, but I worked for years (and made several large projects), with a Harbor Freight 7x10, and there are ways to get around bed-length problems. (And these ways are worth knowing about no matter how big your lathe is). A drill in the tailstock doesn't HAVE to be in a chuck. You can drill a pilot hole with a small drill in the chuck, then hold your big drill on the tailstock center with a lathe dog on the drill shaft to keep it from turning. (And that center can be a homemade short one that hardly sticks out, not the giant centers you buy). When drilling from the tail stock, you can also shorten drills by simply sawing off the shaft -- they aren't hardened.
Also, many things held in a chuck can instead be held on the faceplate. Most people used the faceplate for holding odd-shaped things that won't fit in the chuck, but if you're bed-challenged, you can also use it to save the ~2" of bed length that a chuck uses up.
Eventually I bought a longer bed for my 7x10 from little machine shop, but I don't regret my original purchase of the short bed. It helped develop my ingenuity.
Mike Taglieri
I'm not completely expert in the differences and just rambling from memory.
But first, I don't think anybody can say if lathe X is better than lathe Y - for YOU.
It is my understanding that the SC3 has a better motor arrangement and also a longer bed (7x16 instead of 7x14).
For ME, I would absolutely go with the longer bed.? That distance can gets used up pretty fast with a chuck in the headstock, work piece, drill, and Jacobs chuck in the tail stock.? I also like a longer bed so I can move the tailstock further out of my way when not using it.
But plenty are fine with the various shorter bed models.
Another thing I think about is the cost of the tooling.? And how I would feel paying the same money for tooling (chucks, better tool post, and on and on) for the lathe I didn't really want versus the lathe I really did want.? So, I suggest it is often best to go for the most machine you reasonably can unless cost is absolutely a major factor.
That would also mean looking at options other than C3 versus SC3 and perhaps other lathes.
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 02:40:45 PM PST, Old Boilermaker via <alned03= [email protected]> wrote:
Contemplating buying a mini lathe for home use. Is it worth spending the extra money to buy a SC3 as opposed to a C3 ?.
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On 16 Dec 2024, at 07:30, Miket_NYC via groups.io <mctaglieri@...> wrote:
? "For ME, I would absolutely go with the longer bed.? That distance can gets used up pretty fast with a chuck in the headstock, work piece, drill, and Jacobs chuck in the tail stock.? I also like a longer bed so I can move the tailstock further out of my way when not using it."
I agree completely, but I worked for years (and made several large projects), with a Harbor Freight 7x10, and there are ways to get around bed-length problems. (And these ways are worth knowing about no matter how big your lathe is). A drill in the tailstock doesn't HAVE to be in a chuck. You can drill a pilot hole with a small drill in the chuck, then hold your big drill on the tailstock center with a lathe dog on the drill shaft to keep it from turning. (And that center can be a homemade short one that hardly sticks out, not the giant centers you buy). When drilling from the tail stock, you can also shorten drills by simply sawing off the shaft -- they aren't hardened.
Also, many things held in a chuck can instead be held on the faceplate. Most people used the faceplate for holding odd-shaped things that won't fit in the chuck, but if you're bed-challenged, you can also use it to save the ~2" of bed length that a chuck uses up.
Eventually I bought a longer bed for my 7x10 from little machine shop, but I don't regret my original purchase of the short bed. It helped develop my ingenuity.
Mike Taglieri
I'm not completely expert in the differences and just rambling from memory.
But first, I don't think anybody can say if lathe X is better than lathe Y - for YOU.
It is my understanding that the SC3 has a better motor arrangement and also a longer bed (7x16 instead of 7x14).
For ME, I would absolutely go with the longer bed.? That distance can gets used up pretty fast with a chuck in the headstock, work piece, drill, and Jacobs chuck in the tail stock.? I also like a longer bed so I can move the tailstock further out of my way when not using it.
But plenty are fine with the various shorter bed models.
Another thing I think about is the cost of the tooling.? And how I would feel paying the same money for tooling (chucks, better tool post, and on and on) for the lathe I didn't really want versus the lathe I really did want.? So, I suggest it is often best to go for the most machine you reasonably can unless cost is absolutely a major factor.
That would also mean looking at options other than C3 versus SC3 and perhaps other lathes.
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 02:40:45 PM PST, Old Boilermaker via <alned03= [email protected]> wrote:
Contemplating buying a mini lathe for home use. Is it worth spending the extra money to buy a SC3 as opposed to a C3 ?.
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Tony, ? I agree that the occasional off-topic question tangential to making or fixing stuff can be both useful and educational.? ? Years ago, the ?preferred solvent for fusing acrylic used to be Ethylene Dichloride (EDC).? It makes joints that are nearly invisible, but has been found to be excessively toxic and harmful to humans, so is no longer recommended for that use.? ? If you want to “glue” glass, clear silicone rubber works well if the surface is very clean. ? Jerry F. ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tony Smith via groups.io
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Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] ANSWER TO GUIDE RULE? I don’t think too many here mind the occasional off-topic question that is somewhat tangential to lathe or making/fixing stuff. ? Asking what star system the aliens who build the pyramids came from, yeah not so much. ? As far as your questions “plastic” is a bit broad.? For acrylic, PVC, ABS etc a solvent will work, eg acetone or MEK.? Otherwise use an epoxy. ? You don’t glue stained glass.? There’s 2 types of stained glass, leaded and foil.? For leaded you use putty or grout to stop the glass rattling.? On the old days for foil bees wax was used, these days you use adhesive backed copper tape so no need once everything is soldered.? (Unless you meant what sort of glass, and that’s usually the typical 3mm stuff.) ? Tony ? (Disclaimer – I use acrylic a lot, and used to do stained glass.? I’ve been meaning to do some acrylic “stained glass” panels.) ? ? ? From: 7x12MiniLathe@groupsio <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jacques Savard via groups.io
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Subject: [7x12MiniLathe] ANSWER TO GUIDE RULE ? MAYBE? CREATEED? A? UNDTHER? GROUPE? LIKE? DIY? ? FOR? OFF TOPIC? INTERROGATION WHAT KIND OF GLUE USE? FOR? PLASTIC? OR? GLASS IN? STAINE GLASS? WORK WE ALL HAVE? SOME? OTHER INTEREST IN? DO IT YOURSEFT AND WE PROBALY ALL? NEED? HELP FROM OUR? METAL LATE? GROUP MY? SUN? IS? THE? BEST? INTRUCTOR? YOU? CAN? FIND? ?A REAL? CHAMPION
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I don’t think too many here mind the occasional off-topic question that is somewhat tangential to lathe or making/fixing stuff. ? Asking what star system the aliens who build the pyramids came from, yeah not so much. ? As far as your questions “plastic” is a bit broad.? For acrylic, PVC, ABS etc a solvent will work, eg acetone or MEK.? Otherwise use an epoxy. ? You don’t glue stained glass.? There’s 2 types of stained glass, leaded and foil.? For leaded you use putty or grout to stop the glass rattling.? On the old days for foil bees wax was used, these days you use adhesive backed copper tape so no need once everything is soldered.? (Unless you meant what sort of glass, and that’s usually the typical 3mm stuff.) ? Tony ? (Disclaimer – I use acrylic a lot, and used to do stained glass.? I’ve been meaning to do some acrylic “stained glass” panels.) ? ?
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