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Re: Troubleshooting Dead unit

 

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LMS has wiring diagrams; one will probably match your lathe.




On Oct 29, 2024, at 1:08?PM, Richard Ferguson via groups.io <richardferguson3.14@...> wrote:

My 7x12 Northern Mini-lathe has suddenly quit working.? Previously, when I flipped the switch from forward to reverse I heard relays click.? Now nothing.? The fuse tested good.? I did not see any evidence of burnt parts.? ?
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I know something about electronics, but it is hard to proceed without a wiring diagram.? I do not have an oscilloscope, but I have a VOM.? I would hate to replace the control board, only to find that the problem is elsewhere......? I looked online, but did not find anything relevant.
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Richard

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Bruce Johnson

The less a man knows about how sausages and laws are made, the easier it is to steal his vote and give him botulism.


Troubleshooting Dead unit

 

My 7x12 Northern Mini-lathe has suddenly quit working.? Previously, when I flipped the switch from forward to reverse I heard relays click.? Now nothing.? The fuse tested good.? I did not see any evidence of burnt parts.? ?
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I know something about electronics, but it is hard to proceed without a wiring diagram.? I do not have an oscilloscope, but I have a VOM.? I would hate to replace the control board, only to find that the problem is elsewhere......? I looked online, but did not find anything relevant.
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Richard


Re: SAFETY <<< WAS: RE: [7x12MiniLathe] Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring

 

Lots of interesting ideas.? I'm particularly interested in working with heating the PVC for future projects.??

In this case, using the PVC coupling, once it was mounted and centered it literally took only 3-4 passes (on each side) with the boring tool in the lathe to zero in on the tapered fit I wanted.? The 90 degree fitting should progress in a similar manner once the mounting is solved.? Seems like that's the easiest solution.

I like the idea of mounting the 90 to a block that I can put in my 4-jaw chuck - I have some aluminum blocks that I had originally planned to use as tool holders that should do nicely.

On Sunday, October 27, 2024 at 11:06:45 PM PDT, Gerald Feldman <gfeldman2904@...> wrote:


Once again an e-mail string has fallen off its original subject and is wandering around aimlessly.? Can we please get back to the original subject of mounting a plastic elbow on a lathe or just stop if enough has been said?

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On the subject of safety, keep in mind that EVERYTHING we do, even breathing the air. carries some degree of risk. ?Machining equipment and the materials we use are inherently dangerous.? Our job is to understand and evaluate the risks, and to take appropriate actions to reduce the risks so that they will not cause us harm.? We do this by recognizing the risks and using APPROPRIATE Personal Protective Equipment (PPEs), procedures, and administrative controls to help keep us safe and off the Darwin Awards page.? ???

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Jerry F. ??

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pierre-Raymond Rondelle via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2024 10:57 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring

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So, for those who have no common sense and who are so scared : please don't use nor drink water, whose scientific names are also di-hydrogen monoxide and mono-oxygen di-hydride.

It is well known as being very dangerous. Among the risks are : an excess can cause landslides, it dissolves rocks, perforates stone and metals, and also clouds the pastis. Drinking too much of it can lead to an edema.

That said, whatever the liquid, gas, or material is, always wear googles, use gloves put a breathing mask and avoid breathing the vapors or fumes. I assume that any adult would know this but, you're right, a reminder may be useful.

In addition, don't cross the streets. Finally lots of people die in their bed. A word of advice: don't go to bed. Keep sitting instead :-)


Re: SAFETY <<< WAS: RE: [7x12MiniLathe] Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring

 

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No need to have a ventriloquist on this forum !

Common sense. Full stop


On 28.10.24 07:06, Gerald Feldman via groups.io wrote:


SAFETY <<< WAS: RE: [7x12MiniLathe] Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring

 

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Once again an e-mail string has fallen off its original subject and is wandering around aimlessly.? Can we please get back to the original subject of mounting a plastic elbow on a lathe or just stop if enough has been said?

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On the subject of safety, keep in mind that EVERYTHING we do, even breathing the air. carries some degree of risk. ?Machining equipment and the materials we use are inherently dangerous.? Our job is to understand and evaluate the risks, and to take appropriate actions to reduce the risks so that they will not cause us harm.? We do this by recognizing the risks and using APPROPRIATE Personal Protective Equipment (PPEs), procedures, and administrative controls to help keep us safe and off the Darwin Awards page.? ???

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Jerry F. ??

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pierre-Raymond Rondelle via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2024 10:57 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring

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So, for those who have no common sense and who are so scared : please don't use nor drink water, whose scientific names are also di-hydrogen monoxide and mono-oxygen di-hydride.

It is well known as being very dangerous. Among the risks are : an excess can cause landslides, it dissolves rocks, perforates stone and metals, and also clouds the pastis. Drinking too much of it can lead to an edema.

That said, whatever the liquid, gas, or material is, always wear googles, use gloves put a breathing mask and avoid breathing the vapors or fumes. I assume that any adult would know this but, you're right, a reminder may be useful.

In addition, don't cross the streets. Finally lots of people die in their bed. A word of advice: don't go to bed. Keep sitting instead :-)


Re: Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring

 

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So, for those who have no common sense and who are so scared : please don't use nor drink water, whose scientific names are also di-hydrogen monoxide and mono-oxygen di-hydride.

It is well known as being very dangerous. Among the risks are : an excess can cause landslides, it dissolves rocks, perforates stone and metals, and also clouds the pastis. Drinking too much of it can lead to an edema.

That said, whatever the liquid, gas, or material is, always wear googles, use gloves put a breathing mask and avoid breathing the vapors or fumes. I assume that any adult would know this but, you're right, a reminder may be useful.

In addition, don't cross the streets. Finally lots of people die in their bed. A word of advice: don't go to bed. Keep sitting instead :-)


Re: Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring

 

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HCL?? Reads article… yup, HCL.

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Yeah, don’t heat up PVC so much where it goes past being all gooey, it releases chlorine (nasty stuff) that combines with water in the air to create hydrochloric acid.? Now breathing that isn’t too good for your lungs, but even worse it’ll make your lathe & other tools go rusty really quickly.? That’ll really upset you.

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Like most plastics PVC will start going soft at about 100C (boiling water temperatures), well below the stage where it’ll start outgassing and causing trouble.

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It’ll be fine.

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I once tried laser cutting polycarbonate.? It didn’t work, emitted a nasty looking yellow-brown smoke and made things go rusty, not recommended.? Yep, chlorine & HCL.

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Tony

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of mario mohl via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 28 October 2024 3:39 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring

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An anecdote?? ?Wow !? ?

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At least READ what you post.??exposure to fumes from an overheated (362 degrees C) PVC extruding machine.

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Fear mongering, pure and simple.

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On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 9:43?AM WAM via <ajawam2=[email protected]> wrote:

Not bull... we've had workers that had to be hospitalized due to heating
PVC.

Do what you want.? Not fear mongering.



On 10/27/2024 11:29 AM, mario mohl via wrote:
> Bull....
> Overheating / burning it is a problem you want to avoid for more and bigger
> reasons than some fumes.
>
> Heat it by immersion in boiling water.
>
> Ventilation is also welcome, always, for many reasons as well.
>
> So yeah, don't lock yourself up in an airtight room to burn some PVC. That
> would be just as stupid as it sounds.
>
> Be sensible, the rest is fearmongering.
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 9:06?AM WAM via <ajawam2=
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Careful when heating PVC... It gives off nasty fumes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/27/2024 7:00 AM, Pierre-Raymond Rondelle via wrote:
>>> I can confirm that Mario's method is an excellent one.
>>>
>>> In addition, if you want to restrain the diameter, use a glass jar into
>> you push
>>> the elbow in after hot air heating it. Don't use a flame, it may damage
>> the PVC
>>> and/or give a poor result. You also may turn a piece of metal tube at the
>>> required dimension. Keep in mind that in this case the metal tube shall
>> also be
>>> heated otherwise it will be difficult to restrain a plastic tube being
>> cooled by
>>> the cold tube during the operation.
>>>
>>> I used these two methods a lot of times and it always worked. If the
>> result
>>> isn't what you wanted, heat it again and it will almost recover its
>> original
>>> shape :-)
>>>
>>> It also works well on nylon tubing. I purchased 3/8" tube for my
>> compressed air
>>> distribution and it happened to be 10mm. My fittings were 3/8". Instead
>> of
>>> wasting time with a new order, I restrained the nylon tube using the
>> second
>>> method. No leak @ 8 bars for at least12 years.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27.10.24 02:38, mario mohl via wrote:
>>>> Better still. Turn a wood dowel to the desired ID and use it to expand
>> the PVC
>>>> after slightly heating it
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>






Re: Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring

 

An anecdote?? ?Wow !? ?

At least READ what you post.??exposure to fumes from an overheated (362 degrees C) PVC extruding machine.

Fear mongering, pure and simple.


On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 9:43?AM WAM via <ajawam2=[email protected]> wrote:
Not bull... we've had workers that had to be hospitalized due to heating
PVC.

Do what you want.? Not fear mongering.



On 10/27/2024 11:29 AM, mario mohl via wrote:
> Bull....
> Overheating / burning it is a problem you want to avoid for more and bigger
> reasons than some fumes.
>
> Heat it by immersion in boiling water.
>
> Ventilation is also welcome, always, for many reasons as well.
>
> So yeah, don't lock yourself up in an airtight room to burn some PVC. That
> would be just as stupid as it sounds.
>
> Be sensible, the rest is fearmongering.
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 9:06?AM WAM via <ajawam2=
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Careful when heating PVC... It gives off nasty fumes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/27/2024 7:00 AM, Pierre-Raymond Rondelle via wrote:
>>> I can confirm that Mario's method is an excellent one.
>>>
>>> In addition, if you want to restrain the diameter, use a glass jar into
>> you push
>>> the elbow in after hot air heating it. Don't use a flame, it may damage
>> the PVC
>>> and/or give a poor result. You also may turn a piece of metal tube at the
>>> required dimension. Keep in mind that in this case the metal tube shall
>> also be
>>> heated otherwise it will be difficult to restrain a plastic tube being
>> cooled by
>>> the cold tube during the operation.
>>>
>>> I used these two methods a lot of times and it always worked. If the
>> result
>>> isn't what you wanted, heat it again and it will almost recover its
>> original
>>> shape :-)
>>>
>>> It also works well on nylon tubing. I purchased 3/8" tube for my
>> compressed air
>>> distribution and it happened to be 10mm. My fittings were 3/8". Instead
>> of
>>> wasting time with a new order, I restrained the nylon tube using the
>> second
>>> method. No leak @ 8 bars for at least12 years.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27.10.24 02:38, mario mohl via wrote:
>>>> Better still. Turn a wood dowel to the desired ID and use it to expand
>> the PVC
>>>> after slightly heating it
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>







Re: Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring

 

Not bull... we've had workers that had to be hospitalized due to heating PVC.

Do what you want.? Not fear mongering.

On 10/27/2024 11:29 AM, mario mohl via groups.io wrote:
Bull....
Overheating / burning it is a problem you want to avoid for more and bigger
reasons than some fumes.

Heat it by immersion in boiling water.

Ventilation is also welcome, always, for many reasons as well.

So yeah, don't lock yourself up in an airtight room to burn some PVC. That
would be just as stupid as it sounds.

Be sensible, the rest is fearmongering.

On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 9:06?AM WAM via groups.io <ajawam2=
[email protected]> wrote:

Careful when heating PVC... It gives off nasty fumes




On 10/27/2024 7:00 AM, Pierre-Raymond Rondelle via groups.io wrote:
I can confirm that Mario's method is an excellent one.

In addition, if you want to restrain the diameter, use a glass jar into
you push
the elbow in after hot air heating it. Don't use a flame, it may damage
the PVC
and/or give a poor result. You also may turn a piece of metal tube at the
required dimension. Keep in mind that in this case the metal tube shall
also be
heated otherwise it will be difficult to restrain a plastic tube being
cooled by
the cold tube during the operation.

I used these two methods a lot of times and it always worked. If the
result
isn't what you wanted, heat it again and it will almost recover its
original
shape :-)

It also works well on nylon tubing. I purchased 3/8" tube for my
compressed air
distribution and it happened to be 10mm. My fittings were 3/8". Instead
of
wasting time with a new order, I restrained the nylon tube using the
second
method. No leak @ 8 bars for at least12 years.


On 27.10.24 02:38, mario mohl via groups.io wrote:
Better still. Turn a wood dowel to the desired ID and use it to expand
the PVC
after slightly heating it







Re: Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring

 

Bull....
Overheating / burning it is a problem you want to avoid for more and bigger reasons than some fumes.

Heat it by immersion in boiling water.

Ventilation is also welcome, always, for many reasons as well.

So yeah, don't lock yourself up in an airtight room to burn some PVC. That would be just as stupid as it sounds.

Be sensible, the rest is fearmongering.

On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 9:06?AM WAM via <ajawam2=[email protected]> wrote:
Careful when heating PVC... It gives off nasty fumes




On 10/27/2024 7:00 AM, Pierre-Raymond Rondelle via wrote:
> I can confirm that Mario's method is an excellent one.
>
> In addition, if you want to restrain the diameter, use a glass jar into you push
> the elbow in after hot air heating it. Don't use a flame, it may damage the PVC
> and/or give a poor result. You also may turn a piece of metal tube at the
> required dimension. Keep in mind that in this case the metal tube shall also be
> heated otherwise it will be difficult to restrain a plastic tube being cooled by
> the cold tube during the operation.
>
> I used these two methods a lot of times and it always worked. If the result
> isn't what you wanted, heat it again and it will almost recover its original
> shape :-)
>
> It also works well on nylon tubing. I purchased 3/8" tube for my compressed air
> distribution and it happened to be 10mm. My fittings were 3/8". Instead of
> wasting time with a new order, I restrained the nylon tube using the second
> method. No leak @ 8 bars for at least12 years.
>
>
> On 27.10.24 02:38, mario mohl via wrote:
> > Better still. Turn a wood dowel to the desired ID and use it to expand the PVC
> > after slightly heating it
>
>







Re: Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring

 

Careful when heating PVC... It gives off nasty fumes

On 10/27/2024 7:00 AM, Pierre-Raymond Rondelle via groups.io wrote:
I can confirm that Mario's method is an excellent one.

In addition, if you want to restrain the diameter, use a glass jar into you push
the elbow in after hot air heating it. Don't use a flame, it may damage the PVC
and/or give a poor result. You also may turn a piece of metal tube at the
required dimension. Keep in mind that in this case the metal tube shall also be
heated otherwise it will be difficult to restrain a plastic tube being cooled by
the cold tube during the operation.

I used these two methods a lot of times and it always worked. If the result
isn't what you wanted, heat it again and it will almost recover its original
shape :-)

It also works well on nylon tubing. I purchased 3/8" tube for my compressed air
distribution and it happened to be 10mm. My fittings were 3/8". Instead of
wasting time with a new order, I restrained the nylon tube using the second
method. No leak @ 8 bars for at least12 years.


On 27.10.24 02:38, mario mohl via groups.io wrote:
Better still. Turn a wood dowel to the desired ID and use it to expand the PVC after slightly heating it


Re: Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring

 

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I can confirm that Mario's method is an excellent one.

In addition, if you want to restrain the diameter, use a glass jar into you push the elbow in after hot air heating it. Don't use a flame, it may damage the PVC and/or give a poor result. You also may turn a piece of metal tube at the required dimension. Keep in mind that in this case the metal tube shall also be heated otherwise it will be difficult to restrain a plastic tube being cooled by the cold tube during the operation.

I used these two methods a lot of times and it always worked. If the result isn't what you wanted, heat it again and it will almost recover its original shape :-)

It also works well on nylon tubing. I purchased 3/8" tube for my compressed air distribution and it happened to be 10mm. My fittings were 3/8". Instead of wasting time with a new order, I restrained the nylon tube using the second method. No leak @ 8 bars for at least12 years.


On 27.10.24 02:38, mario mohl via groups.io wrote:

Better still. Turn a wood dowel to the desired ID and use it to expand the PVC after slightly heating it


Re: Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring

 

In the coupling I bored the diameter out about 0.08" at the opening and tapered it about 1/2 degree as the bore extended into the fitting.? The vacuum fitting and the saw fitting required slightly different diameters.? That gave me a nice press-on fit.

On Saturday, October 26, 2024 at 05:32:58 PM PDT, mario mohl <mario.mohl@...> wrote:


How much do you want to bore it out?? Can't be much looking at the wall thickness.
Use your lathe to make a boring tool, then move to the drill press


On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 8:00?PM MikeK via <upand_at_them=[email protected]> wrote:
Glue or bolt it to a piece of material (wood or aluminum) that you can then mount in the 4-jaw.
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Re: Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring

 

Visit a local auto parts store; they'll probably loan you an exhaust pipe expanding tool that'll do the job.
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Roy


Re: Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring

 

Better still. Turn a wood dowel to the desired ID and use it to expand the PVC after slightly heating it


On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 6:32?PM Mario Mohl <mario.mohl@...> wrote:
How much do you want to bore it out?? Can't be much looking at the wall thickness.
Use your lathe to make a boring tool, then move to the drill press


On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 8:00?PM MikeK via <upand_at_them=[email protected]> wrote:
Glue or bolt it to a piece of material (wood or aluminum) that you can then mount in the 4-jaw.
?


Re: Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring

 

How much do you want to bore it out?? Can't be much looking at the wall thickness.
Use your lathe to make a boring tool, then move to the drill press


On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 8:00?PM MikeK via <upand_at_them=[email protected]> wrote:
Glue or bolt it to a piece of material (wood or aluminum) that you can then mount in the 4-jaw.
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Re: Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring

 

Glue or bolt it to a piece of material (wood or aluminum) that you can then mount in the 4-jaw.
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Re: Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring

 

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??? no prob

animal

On 10/25/24 8:40 AM, Ellis Cory via groups.io wrote:

Hi Animal. I apologise for being ‘bone idle’. ?

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It sounded like he wanted to use his lathe , thats why i piped in with my idea .

animal


Re: Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring

 

I made the bore with a slight (about 1/2 degree) taper which gave a nice press-on fit for both the vacuum fitting and the saw fitting.? Couldn't do that on drill press or with hole saw (I don't think).

On Thursday, October 24, 2024 at 05:09:48 PM PDT, Roy via groups.io <roylowenthal@...> wrote:


If you have room? for it, a sweep elbow would be a better choice than a standard elbow.
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I'd probably do it on the drill press, but to keep it a lathe project, you could mount the elbow on the carriage & use a boring head or suitable hole saw chucked in the spindle.
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Roy


Re: Mounting PVC Fitting for Boring

 

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Jon,

Thanks a lot for the picture and yes, I'm located in France. I had a poor idea of what shape you were talking about.