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Re: Bainbridge blade guides

 

Good to see it progressing Darren
My two cents:??
If Ed says the cam followers are slush filled that just means there's enough grease in them to stop it rusting etc so it still needs extra grease before being put into use.? Agree you don't need to put is a zerk but you will need to fill the internal space inside the cam follower with grease (without blowing the seals!).

Most people opt for mist, drip or brush applied coolant mainly because of the mess it causes if coolant leaks onto the floor. The key thing about a tray around the saw for flood coolant is that it is outside the 'drip-line' of anywhere the coolant can be carried to. A lot of 4x6's, even with coolant from the factory, still dripped on the floor because the coolant was carried to, and/or ran down to, some low point outside the edge of the tray, especially at the back where using coolant in horizontal mode and then tipping it vertical, created drips on the floor.

And something related to both blade guide bearing and coolant.? Coolant causes swarf to stick to the wet blade and so swarf gets carried through the nip between blade and guide bearings.? Bill's right in that the loads on the bearings are not high in relation to their load carrying capacity in normal running, but these things fail regularly and something must cause that.? I believe its due to the impact loading sustained when a 20thou bit of swarf goes between the 0-10thou gap between blade and roller. This can be avoided if you use a blade wiper or scraper as in this doc:???in the Files section.? Then you run the blade to guide bearing clearance at minimum, say 1-2 thou,?and get maximum guidance for the blade - jv



Re: Bainbridge blade guides

 

Edward,
Great bit if information! That explains the internal threads on the back end of the cam followers! I can't get pictures of the threads, cruddy phone I guess. I was wondering why these things were hollow. I have to assume there is a port in the cam follower shaft allowing the grease to flow, if there was a zerk. For what little use this saw will see, I'm going to forgo zerks and plugs.?
Thanks for sharing your experiences. I always enjoy learning about other's life stories. I used to talk with my grandfather for hours. As a pilot and aircraft mechanic, he had plenty to share.?
Cheers!
Darren

On Sun, Nov 25, 2018, 1:29 AM Edward Pinnell epinnell@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:
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I was a printing press mechanic for 27 years. We had drum folders that ran at 1200-1350 feet per minute, 8-12 hours per day, 5 days per week. There were 16 each of 3/4" cam followers in these folders, and this was the sole actuating component. We routinely rebuilt these folders every 3-4 months, replacing all the followers. The only thing that I ever saw that contributed to early failure was axial thrust...they are not designed for and do not tolerate appreciable side loading. We had to replace the arms that held the followers if they developed enough wear that would allow the follower to track to one side or the other to prevent early failure.

It sounds like your saw was designed for this kind of industrial production duty. Typically the folowers come with one or two grease ports that require a press-in zerk fitting, and there is a grease port provided on the shaft if lubricated through the arm that holds the follower. Typically they are slush lubricated from the factory and should be greased before installation. Plugs are included to block the ports on either end, but I have had to make a 1/8" brass plug for the port on the shaft as well, to keep grease frrom escaping there from a poor fit in the arm if greased from either end. You can blow the seals on the sealed variety from exuberant over-greasing. Stainless steel is good for food-safe environments, but it's hard to imagine a hobbyist requiring it.

My advice is to grease them well at the outset and then plug all the unused ports, including the grease port on the shaft if unused. An early indicator of wear is side play in the outer race or rust coming out from the sides of the bearing.


Re: Bainbridge blade guides

 

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I was a printing press mechanic for 27 years. We had drum folders that ran at 1200-1350 feet per minute, 8-12 hours per day, 5 days per week. There were 16 each of 3/4" cam followers in these folders, and this was the sole actuating component. We routinely rebuilt these folders every 3-4 months, replacing all the followers. The only thing that I ever saw that contributed to early failure was axial thrust...they are not designed for and do not tolerate appreciable side loading. We had to replace the arms that held the followers if they developed enough wear that would allow the follower to track to one side or the other to prevent early failure.

It sounds like your saw was designed for this kind of industrial production duty. Typically the folowers come with one or two grease ports that require a press-in zerk fitting, and there is a grease port provided on the shaft if lubricated through the arm that holds the follower. Typically they are slush lubricated from the factory and should be greased before installation. Plugs are included to block the ports on either end, but I have had to make a 1/8" brass plug for the port on the shaft as well, to keep grease frrom escaping there from a poor fit in the arm if greased from either end. You can blow the seals on the sealed variety from exuberant over-greasing. Stainless steel is good for food-safe environments, but it's hard to imagine a hobbyist requiring it.

My advice is to grease them well at the outset and then plug all the unused ports, including the grease port on the shaft if unused. An early indicator of wear is side play in the outer race or rust coming out from the sides of the bearing.


Re: Bainbridge blade guides

 

Hi Darren,

The pan came with the lathe, and I’ve had no issues with the edges. Had it for about 15 years.
I also never had any issues with the Wellsaw pan, much the same as my lathe pan, and I used a saw like in the pic for several years.
Bead roll would be pretty….wire around the edge prettier, but not really necessary, at least, for me. Nothing wrong with making it look good though! ?

Thanks! Sink drain was a simple solution using inexpensive & readily available parts, and as it happens, the drain basket keeps all the big chips out of the tank. A bit different on a lathe compared to a band saw as far as chips, but still, it got the job done, was a good bang for the buck, and it looks pretty good besides!

I look forward to pics of your progress! Fun projects are always fixin’ up old iron! I like it!

Bill

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Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides


Bill
Dang near exactly what I was imagining! Thanks!! Love the innovation with the sink drain. A friend of mine is a plumber and will crack up when I ask for one and then explain why. :) Great setup. Mine will differ a bit as I have a bead roller and look for reasons to use it. I was considering even wire rolling the edges. Have you have any issues with your pan and sharp edges? (Silly question perhaps, but another bead roller usage.)
Thanks!
Darren

On Sat, Nov 24, 2018, 7:24 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@...<mailto:bill_1955@...> [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:

[Attachment(s) from Bill Armstrong included below]
Hey Darren,
I think you are on track. Way to go, is get all the bearings replaced, and the obvious repaired. Then after you get it dialed in and cutting straight, you know what you got.
As far as a coolant system, the best factory installed I have seen, had a large enough chip pan so anywhere and on any slope the saw was parked, the coolant would flow, drip, or rain into the pan. Also, best to mount the pan as high as possible to avoid splash. The pan then drains into a tank below the pan, which also houses a pump. Tank is mostly enclosed, to prevent evaporation, and to prevent three year olds from checking the coolant level.

Attached are some pics for some ideas for ya….to do it on the cheap, but have something effective & reliable. Pics are what I use on my lathe, and the pump I move & use on my mill when I’m machining mean stuff like AR500, and use flood coolant.

The lathe came with a drip pan, but it had no drain, or sump. Tough to recirculate like that. So….I added a drain. If the drain looks like it came out a of a kitchen sink….it’s because it did. I drilled the pan & flange, and made a neoprene gasket to mount it.

The flood pump & tank is a Little Giant made critter. About $75 when I got it, about $120 now, but would be easy enough to build. The pump is a centrifugal, and pretty much a swamp cooler pump, which goes for $20 to $25 bucks.
Even if the chips make it to the tank, unless they are really big, the pump will handle ‘em, either my pump or a swamp cooler pump. Chips can plug up a nozzle however.

For that reason, any chips that make it past the pan, and the sink drain basket, will get caught in the screen on the end of the drain pipe. The screen is actually a flame arrester out of a safety fuel can. I had a couple laying around, and it fit the drain pipe perfectly, so why not. Also, easy enough to make.

Also attached, a pic of a Wellsaw 1318. Nice big pan, & a good design.

You should look at other systems on the site that folks have installed for more ideas. I do not have a flood system on my 5” x 6”. Most of the work I do is small stuff, and if I cut thick material, I just grab the Kool Mister.

Hope that helps!
Bill

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Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 3:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides


Bill,
I hear ya, loud and clear. This project is literally overkill in just about every aspect. The saw cuts fine, but I enjoy the refurbishing of old tools. I'm a nerd too, so for me, my machines need to all look similar. That being said, I try to find a balance between throwing money away and doing things right. At the same time, I try to push my abilities and try to learn a new skill while accomplishing the goal of having a lifelong tool.
As far as the coolant system is concermed, this one will push my abilities. I'm thinking of fabricating a large aluminum drip pan with beaded channels like a t with a catch pan under a filter. Obviously the can will house a pump and I'm probably going to off set the can to have 2 tiers. The deepest tier for catching any metal, over flowing into a shallower tier housing the pump. I need to put it on paper but it works in my head. (Now, will it work in the real world? I don't know. That's half the fun.)
Off to the garage to make some progress with paint. :)
Thanks
Darren

On Sat, Nov 24, 2018, 4:28 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@...<mailto:bill_1955@...> [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:

Hi Darren,

Yup….couple of reasons for that….
One is, a cam follower has a lot more stuft. Eccentric haft, bearing and housing, and the bearing is a needle type.
Other is, they just don’t make that many, in comparison to something like the ball bearings used on my Grizz saw. (6000-2RS) They pump out a kazillion a year.. Cam follower….not even close.
And they are, a heavy duty bearing. Have to be to take the loads they are designed for.
Stainless? I wouldn’t bother, or even think about it.

As far as the drive & idler wheels….I would doubt the bearings in those would be anything exotic. All things considered, not really a lot of load, compared to a lot of things I have worked on, and the RPM is quite low. Besides that, impact is pretty much non-existent.
You will find out when you get in there, but I doubt it’ll be a big deal! I’d thing they are either ball or deep groove ball. Needle bearings would be overkill.
Whatever you find in there, I would replace them by what they are, by part number & configuration. (seals, shields etc)
My opinion, for something like that, stick with name brand bearings, ie; SKF, Timken, NTN, etc. You can save a bunch of money by going through someone like VXB, who sells made in China who knows what they are bearings (they do sell some name brand stuff) but why?

When you get to coolant systems, speak up. FYI, I use none on my saw, unless I cut hardened alloys, like 4140/4142Q&T or something, or thick steel parts. And I use mist, rather than flood when I do. For most things around the home & for the hobbyist, flood is overkill, and somewhat messy, in my opinion.

Fun project you are on Darren!
Look forward to hearing more!
Bill

From: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>]
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 11:16 AM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides


Bill,
You weren't kidding. They are PROUD of those cam followers. However, I believe I have the proper size ordered. We'll see in a couple of weeks, once they arrive from the manufacturer. I plan on implementing a liquid lubrication system, at some point. I looked into the stainless steel cam followers but decided against them as they literally cost more than silver, per ounce. So, I got the sealed version.
During this experience I started looking at replacement drive and idler wheel bearings.. I figured I'd probably need just regular bearings. However, after learning about the loads these things put on the blade, I have to wonder, that load must be transferred to the bearings. Right? So, should I be looking at any particular bearings for the drive/idler wheels?
Thanks for the continued support!
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:42 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@...<mailto:bill_1955@...> [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>> wrote:

I think you have a well built saw Darren.
Just needs a bit of TLC!
All the saws I have seen that used cam follower guides were high quality US made machines. I remember a DoAll we had that was built that way.

Bill


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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:03 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides


Bill,
I appreciate your positive outlook. :) It's been an education thus far. I.e. concentric vs eccentric. ;). I continue to learn from y'all and appreciate every bit of it! For my own knowledge, and anyone else who might look for this in the future, I'll post up what I find.
Thanks again!
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 9:37 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@...<mailto:bill_1955@...> [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:

Happy Thanksgiving Darren, and all!
I’d bet they are standard flavor, that you can find easily at a bearing house, or online...
Good news is, they are a far better bearing than a ball or deep groove ball, and will last a lot longer.
Smaller ones are needle, larger generally a double row needle, and will handle a lot more load than ball bearings.
They cost more, initially, but overall, the cost will be less due to the long life they have.
I’m thinking you will have a really good saw when you get it all plus’d back up!


Bill

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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 7:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides


Dang, I was REALLY hoping that wasn't the case. Wanna bet these are funky dimensions? Time to get out the calipers.
Thanks Bill!
Happy Thanksgiving to all that celebrate it tomorrow! :)
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 8:22 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@...<mailto:bill_1955@...> [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:

Those appear to be eccentric cam followers.
You don’t replace just the bearing, you replace the bearing, stud & all.
Bill

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Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides [7 Attachments]


[Attachment(s) from Darren McCarley included below]
The resurrection of the Bainbridge bandsaw continues.. I've refinished the stand and base. Moving on to replacing all the bearings I find myself a bit bewildered. Attached you'll find images of the guide bearings. I believe the bearings are captured by the concentrics. However, one bearing shows signs of a previous owner trying to press the bearings out, and failed. So, I don't think I'll be attempting that route. I doubt the images show it, but I believe I see threads under the concentrics. However, the bolt is pretty soft and I don't want to screw up the flat head.
So, my query to this group, how the heck do I go about getting these trashed bearings off???
I've considered they may be reverse threaded. However, I come to the same conclusion, regardless of the direction, I don't want to scar the concentrics. They are about as thick as a Sharpie pen and rather thin walled.

Thoughts? Suggestions?
Thanks
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:42 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@...<mailto:bill_1955@...> [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>> wrote:

I think you have a well built saw Darren.
Just needs a bit of TLC!
All the saws I have seen that used cam follower guides were high quality US made machines. I remember a DoAll we had that was built that way.

Bill


________________________________
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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:03 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides


Bill,
I appreciate your positive outlook. :) It's been an education thus far. I.e. concentric vs eccentric. ;). I continue to learn from y'all and appreciate every bit of it! For my own knowledge, and anyone else who might look for this in the future, I'll post up what I find.
Thanks again!
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 9:37 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@...<mailto:bill_1955@...> [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:

Happy Thanksgiving Darren, and all!
I’d bet they are standard flavor, that you can find easily at a bearing house, or online...
Good news is, they are a far better bearing than a ball or deep groove ball, and will last a lot longer.
Smaller ones are needle, larger generally a double row needle, and will handle a lot more load than ball bearings.
They cost more, initially, but overall, the cost will be less due to the long life they have.
I’m thinking you will have a really good saw when you get it all plus’d back up!


Bill

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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 7:18 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides


Dang, I was REALLY hoping that wasn't the case. Wanna bet these are funky dimensions? Time to get out the calipers.
Thanks Bill!
Happy Thanksgiving to all that celebrate it tomorrow! :)
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 8:22 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@...<mailto:bill_1955@...> [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:

Those appear to be eccentric cam followers.
You don’t replace just the bearing, you replace the bearing, stud & all.
Bill

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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 6:12 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides [7 Attachments]


[Attachment(s) from Darren McCarley included below]
The resurrection of the Bainbridge bandsaw continues.. I've refinished the stand and base. Moving on to replacing all the bearings I find myself a bit bewildered. Attached you'll find images of the guide bearings. I believe the bearings are captured by the concentrics. However, one bearing shows signs of a previous owner trying to press the bearings out, and failed. So, I don't think I'll be attempting that route. I doubt the images show it, but I believe I see threads under the concentrics. However, the bolt is pretty soft and I don't want to screw up the flat head.
So, my query to this group, how the heck do I go about getting these trashed bearings off???
I've considered they may be reverse threaded. However, I come to the same conclusion, regardless of the direction, I don't want to scar the concentrics. They are about as thick as a Sharpie pen and rather thin walled.

Thoughts? Suggestions?
Thanks
Darren


Re: Bainbridge blade guides [4 Attachments]

 

Bill
? ?Dang near exactly what I was imagining! Thanks!! Love the innovation with the sink drain. A friend of mine is a plumber and will crack up when I ask for one and then explain why. :) Great setup. Mine will differ a bit as I have a bead roller and look for reasons to use it. I was considering even wire rolling the edges. Have you have any issues with your pan and sharp edges? (Silly question perhaps, but another bead roller usage.)
Thanks!
Darren


On Sat, Nov 24, 2018, 7:24 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:
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[Attachment(s) from Bill Armstrong included below]

Hey Darren,

I think you are on track. Way to go, is get all the bearings replaced, and the obvious repaired. Then after you get it dialed in and cutting straight, you know what you got.

As far as a coolant system, the best factory installed I have seen, had a large enough chip pan so anywhere and on any slope the saw was parked, the coolant would flow, drip, or rain into the pan. Also, best to mount the pan as high as possible to avoid splash. The pan then drains into a tank below the pan, which also houses a pump. Tank is mostly enclosed, to prevent evaporation, and to prevent three year olds from checking the coolant level.

?

Attached are some pics for some ideas for ya….to do it on the cheap, but have something effective & reliable. Pics are what I use on my lathe, and the pump I move & use on my mill when I’m machining mean stuff like AR500, and use flood coolant.

?

The lathe came with a drip pan, but it had no drain, or sump. Tough to recirculate like that. So….I added a drain. If the drain looks like it came out a of a kitchen sink….it’s because it did. I drilled the pan & flange, and made a neoprene gasket to mount it.

?

The flood pump & tank is a Little Giant made critter. About $75 when I got it, about $120 now, but would be easy enough to build. The pump is a centrifugal, and pretty much a swamp cooler pump, which goes for $20 to $25 bucks.

Even if the chips make it to the tank, unless they are really big, the pump will handle ‘em, either my pump or a swamp cooler pump. Chips can plug up a nozzle however.

?

For that reason, any chips that make it past the pan, and the sink drain basket, will get caught in the screen on the end of the drain pipe. The screen is actually a flame arrester out of a safety fuel can. I had a couple laying around, and it fit the drain pipe perfectly, so why not. Also, easy enough to make.

?

Also attached, a pic of a Wellsaw 1318. Nice big pan, & a good design. ?

?

You should look at other systems on the site that folks have installed for more ideas. I do not have a flood system on my 5” x 6”. Most of the work I do is small stuff, and if I cut thick material, I just grab the Kool Mister.

?

Hope that helps!

Bill

?

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 3:31 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides

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?

Bill,

I hear ya, loud and clear. This project is literally overkill in just about every aspect. The saw cuts fine, but I enjoy the refurbishing of old tools. I'm a nerd too, so for me, my machines need to all look similar. That being said, I try to find a balance between throwing money away and doing things right. At the same time, I try to push my abilities and try to learn a new skill while accomplishing the goal of having a lifelong tool.?

As far as the coolant system is concermed, this one will push my abilities. I'm thinking of fabricating a large aluminum drip pan with beaded channels like a t with a catch pan under a filter. Obviously the can will house a pump and I'm probably going to off set the can to have 2 tiers. The deepest tier for catching any metal, over flowing into a shallower tier housing the pump. I need to put it on paper but it works in my head. (Now, will it work in the real world? I don't know. That's half the fun.)?

Off to the garage to make some progress with paint. :)

Thanks

Darren

?

On Sat, Nov 24, 2018, 4:28 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:

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Hi Darren,

?

Yup….couple of reasons for that….

One is, a cam follower has a lot more stuft. Eccentric haft, bearing and housing, and the bearing is a needle type.

Other is, they just don’t make that many, in comparison to something like the ball bearings used on my Grizz saw. (6000-2RS)? They pump out a kazillion a year.. Cam follower….not even close.

And they are, a heavy duty bearing. Have to be to take the loads they are designed for.

Stainless? I wouldn’t bother, or even think about it.

?

As far as the drive & idler wheels….I would doubt the bearings in those would be anything exotic. All things considered, not really a lot of load, compared to a lot of things I have worked on, and the RPM is quite low. Besides that, impact is pretty much non-existent. ?

You will find out when you get in there, but I doubt it’ll be a big deal! I’d thing they are either ball or deep groove ball. Needle bearings would be overkill.

Whatever you find in there, I would replace them by what they are, by part number & configuration. (seals, shields etc) ?

My opinion, for something like that, stick with name brand bearings, ie; SKF, Timken, NTN, etc. You can save a bunch of money by going through someone like VXB, who sells made in China who knows what they are bearings (they do sell some name brand stuff) but why?

?

When you get to coolant systems, speak up. FYI, I use none on my saw, unless I cut hardened alloys, like 4140/4142Q&T or something, or thick steel parts. And I use mist, rather than flood when I do. For most things around the home & for the hobbyist, flood is overkill, and somewhat messy, in my opinion.

?

Fun project you are on Darren!

Look forward to hearing more!

Bill

?

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 11:16 AM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides

?

?

Bill,

You weren't kidding. They are PROUD of those cam followers. However, I believe I have the proper size ordered. We'll see in a couple of weeks, once they arrive from the manufacturer. I plan on implementing a liquid lubrication system, at some point. I looked into the stainless steel cam followers but decided against them as they literally cost more than silver, per ounce. So, I got the sealed version.?

During this experience I started looking at replacement drive and idler wheel bearings.. I figured I'd probably need just regular bearings. However, after learning about the loads these things put on the blade, I have to wonder, that load must be transferred to the bearings. Right? So, should I be looking at any particular bearings for the drive/idler wheels??

Thanks for the continued support!

Darren

?

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:42 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:

?

I think you have a well built saw Darren.

Just needs a bit of TLC!

All the saws I have seen that used cam follower guides were high quality US made machines. I remember a DoAll we had that was built that way.

?

Bill

?

?


From: 4x6bandsaw@... on behalf of Darren McCarley [email protected] [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:03 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides

?

?

Bill,

I appreciate your positive outlook. :) It's been an education thus far. I.e. concentric vs eccentric. ;). I continue to learn from y'all and appreciate every bit of it! For my own knowledge, and anyone else who might look for this in the future, I'll post up what I find.

Thanks again!

Darren

?

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 9:37 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:

?

Happy Thanksgiving Darren, and all!

I’d bet they are standard flavor, that you can find easily at a bearing house, or online... ?

Good news is, they are a far better bearing than a ball or deep groove ball, and will last a lot longer.

Smaller ones are needle, larger generally a double row needle, and will handle a lot more load than ball bearings.

They cost more, initially, but overall, the cost will be less due to the long life they have.

I’m thinking you will have a really good saw when you get it all plus’d back up!

?

?

Bill

?

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 7:18 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides

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Dang, I was REALLY hoping that wasn't the case. Wanna bet these are funky dimensions? Time to get out the calipers.

Thanks Bill!?

Happy Thanksgiving to all that celebrate it tomorrow! :)

Darren

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On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 8:22 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:

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Those appear to be eccentric cam followers.

You don’t replace just the bearing, you replace the bearing, stud & all.

Bill

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From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 6:12 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides [7 Attachments]

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[Attachment(s) from Darren McCarley included below]

The resurrection of the Bainbridge bandsaw continues.. I've refinished the stand and base. Moving on to replacing all the bearings I find myself a bit bewildered. Attached you'll find images of the guide bearings. I believe the bearings are captured by the concentrics. However, one bearing shows signs of a previous owner trying to press the bearings out, and failed. So, I don't think I'll be attempting that route. I doubt the images show it, but I believe I see threads under the concentrics. However, the bolt is pretty soft and I don't want to screw up the flat head.?

So, my query to this group, how the heck do I go about getting these trashed bearings off????

I've considered they may be reverse threaded. However, I come to the same conclusion, regardless of the direction, I don't want to scar the concentrics. They are about as thick as a Sharpie pen and rather thin walled.?

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Thoughts? Suggestions??

Thanks?

Darren

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On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:42 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:

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I think you have a well built saw Darren.

Just needs a bit of TLC!

All the saws I have seen that used cam follower guides were high quality US made machines. I remember a DoAll we had that was built that way.

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Bill

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From: 4x6bandsaw@... on behalf of Darren McCarley [email protected] [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:03 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides

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?

Bill,

I appreciate your positive outlook. :) It's been an education thus far. I.e. concentric vs eccentric. ;). I continue to learn from y'all and appreciate every bit of it! For my own knowledge, and anyone else who might look for this in the future, I'll post up what I find.

Thanks again!

Darren

?

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 9:37 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:

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Happy Thanksgiving Darren, and all!

I’d bet they are standard flavor, that you can find easily at a bearing house, or online... ?

Good news is, they are a far better bearing than a ball or deep groove ball, and will last a lot longer.

Smaller ones are needle, larger generally a double row needle, and will handle a lot more load than ball bearings.

They cost more, initially, but overall, the cost will be less due to the long life they have.

I’m thinking you will have a really good saw when you get it all plus’d back up!

?

?

Bill

?

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 7:18 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides

?

?

Dang, I was REALLY hoping that wasn't the case. Wanna bet these are funky dimensions? Time to get out the calipers.

Thanks Bill!?

Happy Thanksgiving to all that celebrate it tomorrow! :)

Darren

?

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 8:22 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:

?

Those appear to be eccentric cam followers.

You don’t replace just the bearing, you replace the bearing, stud & all.

Bill

?

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 6:12 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides [7 Attachments]

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?

[Attachment(s) from Darren McCarley included below]

The resurrection of the Bainbridge bandsaw continues.. I've refinished the stand and base. Moving on to replacing all the bearings I find myself a bit bewildered. Attached you'll find images of the guide bearings. I believe the bearings are captured by the concentrics. However, one bearing shows signs of a previous owner trying to press the bearings out, and failed. So, I don't think I'll be attempting that route. I doubt the images show it, but I believe I see threads under the concentrics. However, the bolt is pretty soft and I don't want to screw up the flat head.?

So, my query to this group, how the heck do I go about getting these trashed bearings off????

I've considered they may be reverse threaded. However, I come to the same conclusion, regardless of the direction, I don't want to scar the concentrics. They are about as thick as a Sharpie pen and rather thin walled.?

?

Thoughts? Suggestions??

Thanks?

Darren


Re: Bainbridge blade guides

 

Hey Darren,
I think you are on track. Way to go, is get all the bearings replaced, and the obvious repaired. Then after you get it dialed in and cutting straight, you know what you got.
As far as a coolant system, the best factory installed I have seen, had a large enough chip pan so anywhere and on any slope the saw was parked, the coolant would flow, drip, or rain into the pan. Also, best to mount the pan as high as possible to avoid splash. The pan then drains into a tank below the pan, which also houses a pump. Tank is mostly enclosed, to prevent evaporation, and to prevent three year olds from checking the coolant level.

Attached are some pics for some ideas for ya….to do it on the cheap, but have something effective & reliable. Pics are what I use on my lathe, and the pump I move & use on my mill when I’m machining mean stuff like AR500, and use flood coolant.

The lathe came with a drip pan, but it had no drain, or sump. Tough to recirculate like that. So….I added a drain. If the drain looks like it came out a of a kitchen sink….it’s because it did. I drilled the pan & flange, and made a neoprene gasket to mount it.

The flood pump & tank is a Little Giant made critter. About $75 when I got it, about $120 now, but would be easy enough to build. The pump is a centrifugal, and pretty much a swamp cooler pump, which goes for $20 to $25 bucks.
Even if the chips make it to the tank, unless they are really big, the pump will handle ‘em, either my pump or a swamp cooler pump. Chips can plug up a nozzle however.

For that reason, any chips that make it past the pan, and the sink drain basket, will get caught in the screen on the end of the drain pipe. The screen is actually a flame arrester out of a safety fuel can. I had a couple laying around, and it fit the drain pipe perfectly, so why not. Also, easy enough to make.

Also attached, a pic of a Wellsaw 1318. Nice big pan, & a good design.

You should look at other systems on the site that folks have installed for more ideas. I do not have a flood system on my 5” x 6”. Most of the work I do is small stuff, and if I cut thick material, I just grab the Kool Mister.

Hope that helps!
Bill

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 3:31 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides


Bill,
I hear ya, loud and clear. This project is literally overkill in just about every aspect. The saw cuts fine, but I enjoy the refurbishing of old tools. I'm a nerd too, so for me, my machines need to all look similar. That being said, I try to find a balance between throwing money away and doing things right. At the same time, I try to push my abilities and try to learn a new skill while accomplishing the goal of having a lifelong tool.
As far as the coolant system is concermed, this one will push my abilities. I'm thinking of fabricating a large aluminum drip pan with beaded channels like a t with a catch pan under a filter. Obviously the can will house a pump and I'm probably going to off set the can to have 2 tiers. The deepest tier for catching any metal, over flowing into a shallower tier housing the pump. I need to put it on paper but it works in my head. (Now, will it work in the real world? I don't know. That's half the fun.)
Off to the garage to make some progress with paint. :)
Thanks
Darren

On Sat, Nov 24, 2018, 4:28 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@...<mailto:bill_1955@...> [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:

Hi Darren,

Yup….couple of reasons for that….
One is, a cam follower has a lot more stuft. Eccentric haft, bearing and housing, and the bearing is a needle type.
Other is, they just don’t make that many, in comparison to something like the ball bearings used on my Grizz saw. (6000-2RS) They pump out a kazillion a year.. Cam follower….not even close.
And they are, a heavy duty bearing. Have to be to take the loads they are designed for.
Stainless? I wouldn’t bother, or even think about it.

As far as the drive & idler wheels….I would doubt the bearings in those would be anything exotic. All things considered, not really a lot of load, compared to a lot of things I have worked on, and the RPM is quite low. Besides that, impact is pretty much non-existent.
You will find out when you get in there, but I doubt it’ll be a big deal! I’d thing they are either ball or deep groove ball. Needle bearings would be overkill.
Whatever you find in there, I would replace them by what they are, by part number & configuration. (seals, shields etc)
My opinion, for something like that, stick with name brand bearings, ie; SKF, Timken, NTN, etc. You can save a bunch of money by going through someone like VXB, who sells made in China who knows what they are bearings (they do sell some name brand stuff) but why?

When you get to coolant systems, speak up. FYI, I use none on my saw, unless I cut hardened alloys, like 4140/4142Q&T or something, or thick steel parts. And I use mist, rather than flood when I do. For most things around the home & for the hobbyist, flood is overkill, and somewhat messy, in my opinion.

Fun project you are on Darren!
Look forward to hearing more!
Bill

From: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>]
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 11:16 AM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides


Bill,
You weren't kidding. They are PROUD of those cam followers. However, I believe I have the proper size ordered. We'll see in a couple of weeks, once they arrive from the manufacturer. I plan on implementing a liquid lubrication system, at some point. I looked into the stainless steel cam followers but decided against them as they literally cost more than silver, per ounce. So, I got the sealed version.
During this experience I started looking at replacement drive and idler wheel bearings.. I figured I'd probably need just regular bearings. However, after learning about the loads these things put on the blade, I have to wonder, that load must be transferred to the bearings. Right? So, should I be looking at any particular bearings for the drive/idler wheels?
Thanks for the continued support!
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:42 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@...<mailto:bill_1955@...> [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>> wrote:

I think you have a well built saw Darren.
Just needs a bit of TLC!
All the saws I have seen that used cam follower guides were high quality US made machines. I remember a DoAll we had that was built that way.

Bill


________________________________
From: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> on behalf of Darren McCarley [email protected] [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:03 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides


Bill,
I appreciate your positive outlook. :) It's been an education thus far. I.e. concentric vs eccentric. ;). I continue to learn from y'all and appreciate every bit of it! For my own knowledge, and anyone else who might look for this in the future, I'll post up what I find.
Thanks again!
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 9:37 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@...<mailto:bill_1955@...> [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:

Happy Thanksgiving Darren, and all!
I’d bet they are standard flavor, that you can find easily at a bearing house, or online...
Good news is, they are a far better bearing than a ball or deep groove ball, and will last a lot longer.
Smaller ones are needle, larger generally a double row needle, and will handle a lot more load than ball bearings.
They cost more, initially, but overall, the cost will be less due to the long life they have.
I’m thinking you will have a really good saw when you get it all plus’d back up!


Bill

From: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 7:18 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides


Dang, I was REALLY hoping that wasn't the case. Wanna bet these are funky dimensions? Time to get out the calipers.
Thanks Bill!
Happy Thanksgiving to all that celebrate it tomorrow! :)
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 8:22 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@...<mailto:bill_1955@...> [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:

Those appear to be eccentric cam followers.
You don’t replace just the bearing, you replace the bearing, stud & all.
Bill

From: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 6:12 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides [7 Attachments]


[Attachment(s) from Darren McCarley included below]
The resurrection of the Bainbridge bandsaw continues.. I've refinished the stand and base. Moving on to replacing all the bearings I find myself a bit bewildered. Attached you'll find images of the guide bearings. I believe the bearings are captured by the concentrics. However, one bearing shows signs of a previous owner trying to press the bearings out, and failed. So, I don't think I'll be attempting that route. I doubt the images show it, but I believe I see threads under the concentrics. However, the bolt is pretty soft and I don't want to screw up the flat head.
So, my query to this group, how the heck do I go about getting these trashed bearings off???
I've considered they may be reverse threaded. However, I come to the same conclusion, regardless of the direction, I don't want to scar the concentrics. They are about as thick as a Sharpie pen and rather thin walled.

Thoughts? Suggestions?
Thanks
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:42 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@...<mailto:bill_1955@...> [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>> wrote:

I think you have a well built saw Darren.
Just needs a bit of TLC!
All the saws I have seen that used cam follower guides were high quality US made machines. I remember a DoAll we had that was built that way.

Bill


________________________________
From: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> on behalf of Darren McCarley [email protected] [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:03 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides


Bill,
I appreciate your positive outlook. :) It's been an education thus far. I.e. concentric vs eccentric. ;). I continue to learn from y'all and appreciate every bit of it! For my own knowledge, and anyone else who might look for this in the future, I'll post up what I find.
Thanks again!
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 9:37 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@...<mailto:bill_1955@...> [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:

Happy Thanksgiving Darren, and all!
I’d bet they are standard flavor, that you can find easily at a bearing house, or online...
Good news is, they are a far better bearing than a ball or deep groove ball, and will last a lot longer.
Smaller ones are needle, larger generally a double row needle, and will handle a lot more load than ball bearings.
They cost more, initially, but overall, the cost will be less due to the long life they have.
I’m thinking you will have a really good saw when you get it all plus’d back up!


Bill

From: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 7:18 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides


Dang, I was REALLY hoping that wasn't the case. Wanna bet these are funky dimensions? Time to get out the calipers.
Thanks Bill!
Happy Thanksgiving to all that celebrate it tomorrow! :)
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 8:22 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@...<mailto:bill_1955@...> [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:

Those appear to be eccentric cam followers.
You don’t replace just the bearing, you replace the bearing, stud & all.
Bill

From: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 6:12 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides [7 Attachments]


[Attachment(s) from Darren McCarley included below]
The resurrection of the Bainbridge bandsaw continues.. I've refinished the stand and base. Moving on to replacing all the bearings I find myself a bit bewildered. Attached you'll find images of the guide bearings. I believe the bearings are captured by the concentrics. However, one bearing shows signs of a previous owner trying to press the bearings out, and failed. So, I don't think I'll be attempting that route. I doubt the images show it, but I believe I see threads under the concentrics. However, the bolt is pretty soft and I don't want to screw up the flat head.
So, my query to this group, how the heck do I go about getting these trashed bearings off???
I've considered they may be reverse threaded. However, I come to the same conclusion, regardless of the direction, I don't want to scar the concentrics. They are about as thick as a Sharpie pen and rather thin walled.

Thoughts? Suggestions?
Thanks
Darren


Re: Bainbridge blade guides

 

Bill,
I hear ya, loud and clear. This project is literally overkill in just about every aspect. The saw cuts fine, but I enjoy the refurbishing of old tools. I'm a nerd too, so for me, my machines need to all look similar. That being said, I try to find a balance between throwing money away and doing things right. At the same time, I try to push my abilities and try to learn a new skill while accomplishing the goal of having a lifelong tool.?
As far as the coolant system is concermed, this one will push my abilities. I'm thinking of fabricating a large aluminum drip pan with beaded channels like a t with a catch pan under a filter. Obviously the can will house a pump and I'm probably going to off set the can to have 2 tiers. The deepest tier for catching any metal, over flowing into a shallower tier housing the pump. I need to put it on paper but it works in my head. (Now, will it work in the real world? I don't know. That's half the fun.)?
Off to the garage to make some progress with paint. :)
Thanks
Darren


On Sat, Nov 24, 2018, 4:28 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:
?

Hi Darren,

?

Yup….couple of reasons for that….

One is, a cam follower has a lot more stuft. Eccentric haft, bearing and housing, and the bearing is a needle type.

Other is, they just don’t make that many, in comparison to something like the ball bearings used on my Grizz saw. (6000-2RS)? They pump out a kazillion a year. Cam follower….not even close.

And they are, a heavy duty bearing. Have to be to take the loads they are designed for.

Stainless? I wouldn’t bother, or even think about it.

?

As far as the drive & idler wheels….I would doubt the bearings in those would be anything exotic. All things considered, not really a lot of load, compared to a lot of things I have worked on, and the RPM is quite low. Besides that, impact is pretty much non-existent. ?

You will find out when you get in there, but I doubt it’ll be a big deal! I’d thing they are either ball or deep groove ball. Needle bearings would be overkill.

Whatever you find in there, I would replace them by what they are, by part number & configuration. (seals, shields etc) ?

My opinion, for something like that, stick with name brand bearings, ie; SKF, Timken, NTN, etc. You can save a bunch of money by going through someone like VXB, who sells made in China who knows what they are bearings (they do sell some name brand stuff) but why?

?

When you get to coolant systems, speak up. FYI, I use none on my saw, unless I cut hardened alloys, like 4140/4142Q&T or something, or thick steel parts. And I use mist, rather than flood when I do. For most things around the home & for the hobbyist, flood is overkill, and somewhat messy, in my opinion.

?

Fun project you are on Darren!

Look forward to hearing more!

Bill

?

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 11:16 AM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides

?

?

Bill,

You weren't kidding. They are PROUD of those cam followers. However, I believe I have the proper size ordered. We'll see in a couple of weeks, once they arrive from the manufacturer. I plan on implementing a liquid lubrication system, at some point. I looked into the stainless steel cam followers but decided against them as they literally cost more than silver, per ounce. So, I got the sealed version.?

During this experience I started looking at replacement drive and idler wheel bearings.. I figured I'd probably need just regular bearings. However, after learning about the loads these things put on the blade, I have to wonder, that load must be transferred to the bearings. Right? So, should I be looking at any particular bearings for the drive/idler wheels??

Thanks for the continued support!

Darren

?

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:42 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:

?

I think you have a well built saw Darren.

Just needs a bit of TLC!

All the saws I have seen that used cam follower guides were high quality US made machines. I remember a DoAll we had that was built that way.

?

Bill

?

?


From: 4x6bandsaw@... on behalf of Darren McCarley [email protected] [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:03 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides

?

?

Bill,

I appreciate your positive outlook. :) It's been an education thus far. I.e. concentric vs eccentric. ;). I continue to learn from y'all and appreciate every bit of it! For my own knowledge, and anyone else who might look for this in the future, I'll post up what I find.

Thanks again!

Darren

?

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 9:37 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:

?

Happy Thanksgiving Darren, and all!

I’d bet they are standard flavor, that you can find easily at a bearing house, or online... ?

Good news is, they are a far better bearing than a ball or deep groove ball, and will last a lot longer.

Smaller ones are needle, larger generally a double row needle, and will handle a lot more load than ball bearings.

They cost more, initially, but overall, the cost will be less due to the long life they have.

I’m thinking you will have a really good saw when you get it all plus’d back up!

?

?

Bill

?

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 7:18 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides

?

?

Dang, I was REALLY hoping that wasn't the case. Wanna bet these are funky dimensions? Time to get out the calipers.

Thanks Bill!?

Happy Thanksgiving to all that celebrate it tomorrow! :)

Darren

?

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 8:22 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:

?

Those appear to be eccentric cam followers.

You don’t replace just the bearing, you replace the bearing, stud & all.

Bill

?

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 6:12 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides [7 Attachments]

?

?

[Attachment(s) from Darren McCarley included below]

The resurrection of the Bainbridge bandsaw continues.. I've refinished the stand and base. Moving on to replacing all the bearings I find myself a bit bewildered. Attached you'll find images of the guide bearings. I believe the bearings are captured by the concentrics. However, one bearing shows signs of a previous owner trying to press the bearings out, and failed. So, I don't think I'll be attempting that route. I doubt the images show it, but I believe I see threads under the concentrics. However, the bolt is pretty soft and I don't want to screw up the flat head.?

So, my query to this group, how the heck do I go about getting these trashed bearings off????

I've considered they may be reverse threaded. However, I come to the same conclusion, regardless of the direction, I don't want to scar the concentrics. They are about as thick as a Sharpie pen and rather thin walled.?

?

Thoughts? Suggestions??

Thanks?

Darren

?

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:42 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:

?

I think you have a well built saw Darren.

Just needs a bit of TLC!

All the saws I have seen that used cam follower guides were high quality US made machines. I remember a DoAll we had that was built that way.

?

Bill

?

?


From: 4x6bandsaw@... on behalf of Darren McCarley [email protected] [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:03 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides

?

?

Bill,

I appreciate your positive outlook. :) It's been an education thus far. I.e. concentric vs eccentric. ;). I continue to learn from y'all and appreciate every bit of it! For my own knowledge, and anyone else who might look for this in the future, I'll post up what I find.

Thanks again!

Darren

?

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 9:37 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:

?

Happy Thanksgiving Darren, and all!

I’d bet they are standard flavor, that you can find easily at a bearing house, or online... ?

Good news is, they are a far better bearing than a ball or deep groove ball, and will last a lot longer.

Smaller ones are needle, larger generally a double row needle, and will handle a lot more load than ball bearings.

They cost more, initially, but overall, the cost will be less due to the long life they have.

I’m thinking you will have a really good saw when you get it all plus’d back up!

?

?

Bill

?

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 7:18 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides

?

?

Dang, I was REALLY hoping that wasn't the case. Wanna bet these are funky dimensions? Time to get out the calipers.

Thanks Bill!?

Happy Thanksgiving to all that celebrate it tomorrow! :)

Darren

?

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 8:22 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:

?

Those appear to be eccentric cam followers.

You don’t replace just the bearing, you replace the bearing, stud & all.

Bill

?

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 6:12 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides [7 Attachments]

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[Attachment(s) from Darren McCarley included below]

The resurrection of the Bainbridge bandsaw continues.. I've refinished the stand and base. Moving on to replacing all the bearings I find myself a bit bewildered. Attached you'll find images of the guide bearings. I believe the bearings are captured by the concentrics. However, one bearing shows signs of a previous owner trying to press the bearings out, and failed. So, I don't think I'll be attempting that route. I doubt the images show it, but I believe I see threads under the concentrics. However, the bolt is pretty soft and I don't want to screw up the flat head.?

So, my query to this group, how the heck do I go about getting these trashed bearings off????

I've considered they may be reverse threaded. However, I come to the same conclusion, regardless of the direction, I don't want to scar the concentrics. They are about as thick as a Sharpie pen and rather thin walled.?

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Thoughts? Suggestions??

Thanks?

Darren


Re: Bainbridge blade guides

 

Hi Darren,

Yup….couple of reasons for that….
One is, a cam follower has a lot more stuft. Eccentric haft, bearing and housing, and the bearing is a needle type.
Other is, they just don’t make that many, in comparison to something like the ball bearings used on my Grizz saw. (6000-2RS) They pump out a kazillion a year. Cam follower….not even close.
And they are, a heavy duty bearing. Have to be to take the loads they are designed for.
Stainless? I wouldn’t bother, or even think about it.

As far as the drive & idler wheels….I would doubt the bearings in those would be anything exotic. All things considered, not really a lot of load, compared to a lot of things I have worked on, and the RPM is quite low. Besides that, impact is pretty much non-existent.
You will find out when you get in there, but I doubt it’ll be a big deal! I’d thing they are either ball or deep groove ball. Needle bearings would be overkill.
Whatever you find in there, I would replace them by what they are, by part number & configuration. (seals, shields etc)
My opinion, for something like that, stick with name brand bearings, ie; SKF, Timken, NTN, etc. You can save a bunch of money by going through someone like VXB, who sells made in China who knows what they are bearings (they do sell some name brand stuff) but why?

When you get to coolant systems, speak up. FYI, I use none on my saw, unless I cut hardened alloys, like 4140/4142Q&T or something, or thick steel parts. And I use mist, rather than flood when I do. For most things around the home & for the hobbyist, flood is overkill, and somewhat messy, in my opinion.

Fun project you are on Darren!
Look forward to hearing more!
Bill

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 11:16 AM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides


Bill,
You weren't kidding. They are PROUD of those cam followers. However, I believe I have the proper size ordered. We'll see in a couple of weeks, once they arrive from the manufacturer. I plan on implementing a liquid lubrication system, at some point. I looked into the stainless steel cam followers but decided against them as they literally cost more than silver, per ounce. So, I got the sealed version.
During this experience I started looking at replacement drive and idler wheel bearings.. I figured I'd probably need just regular bearings. However, after learning about the loads these things put on the blade, I have to wonder, that load must be transferred to the bearings. Right? So, should I be looking at any particular bearings for the drive/idler wheels?
Thanks for the continued support!
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:42 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@...<mailto:bill_1955@...> [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>> wrote:

I think you have a well built saw Darren.
Just needs a bit of TLC!
All the saws I have seen that used cam follower guides were high quality US made machines. I remember a DoAll we had that was built that way.

Bill


________________________________
From: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> on behalf of Darren McCarley [email protected] [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:03 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides


Bill,
I appreciate your positive outlook. :) It's been an education thus far. I.e. concentric vs eccentric. ;). I continue to learn from y'all and appreciate every bit of it! For my own knowledge, and anyone else who might look for this in the future, I'll post up what I find.
Thanks again!
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 9:37 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@...<mailto:bill_1955@...> [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:

Happy Thanksgiving Darren, and all!
I’d bet they are standard flavor, that you can find easily at a bearing house, or online...
Good news is, they are a far better bearing than a ball or deep groove ball, and will last a lot longer.
Smaller ones are needle, larger generally a double row needle, and will handle a lot more load than ball bearings.
They cost more, initially, but overall, the cost will be less due to the long life they have.
I’m thinking you will have a really good saw when you get it all plus’d back up!


Bill

From: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 7:18 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides


Dang, I was REALLY hoping that wasn't the case. Wanna bet these are funky dimensions? Time to get out the calipers.
Thanks Bill!
Happy Thanksgiving to all that celebrate it tomorrow! :)
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 8:22 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@...<mailto:bill_1955@...> [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:

Those appear to be eccentric cam followers.
You don’t replace just the bearing, you replace the bearing, stud & all.
Bill

From: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 6:12 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides [7 Attachments]


[Attachment(s) from Darren McCarley included below]
The resurrection of the Bainbridge bandsaw continues.. I've refinished the stand and base. Moving on to replacing all the bearings I find myself a bit bewildered. Attached you'll find images of the guide bearings. I believe the bearings are captured by the concentrics. However, one bearing shows signs of a previous owner trying to press the bearings out, and failed. So, I don't think I'll be attempting that route. I doubt the images show it, but I believe I see threads under the concentrics. However, the bolt is pretty soft and I don't want to screw up the flat head.
So, my query to this group, how the heck do I go about getting these trashed bearings off???
I've considered they may be reverse threaded. However, I come to the same conclusion, regardless of the direction, I don't want to scar the concentrics. They are about as thick as a Sharpie pen and rather thin walled.

Thoughts? Suggestions?
Thanks
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:42 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@...<mailto:bill_1955@...> [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>> wrote:

I think you have a well built saw Darren.
Just needs a bit of TLC!
All the saws I have seen that used cam follower guides were high quality US made machines. I remember a DoAll we had that was built that way.

Bill


________________________________
From: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> on behalf of Darren McCarley [email protected] [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:03 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides


Bill,
I appreciate your positive outlook. :) It's been an education thus far. I.e. concentric vs eccentric. ;). I continue to learn from y'all and appreciate every bit of it! For my own knowledge, and anyone else who might look for this in the future, I'll post up what I find.
Thanks again!
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 9:37 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@...<mailto:bill_1955@...> [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:

Happy Thanksgiving Darren, and all!
I’d bet they are standard flavor, that you can find easily at a bearing house, or online...
Good news is, they are a far better bearing than a ball or deep groove ball, and will last a lot longer.
Smaller ones are needle, larger generally a double row needle, and will handle a lot more load than ball bearings.
They cost more, initially, but overall, the cost will be less due to the long life they have.
I’m thinking you will have a really good saw when you get it all plus’d back up!


Bill

From: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 7:18 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides


Dang, I was REALLY hoping that wasn't the case. Wanna bet these are funky dimensions? Time to get out the calipers.
Thanks Bill!
Happy Thanksgiving to all that celebrate it tomorrow! :)
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 8:22 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@...<mailto:bill_1955@...> [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:

Those appear to be eccentric cam followers.
You don’t replace just the bearing, you replace the bearing, stud & all.
Bill

From: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...> [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 6:12 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...<mailto:4x6bandsaw@...>
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides [7 Attachments]


[Attachment(s) from Darren McCarley included below]
The resurrection of the Bainbridge bandsaw continues.. I've refinished the stand and base. Moving on to replacing all the bearings I find myself a bit bewildered. Attached you'll find images of the guide bearings. I believe the bearings are captured by the concentrics. However, one bearing shows signs of a previous owner trying to press the bearings out, and failed. So, I don't think I'll be attempting that route. I doubt the images show it, but I believe I see threads under the concentrics. However, the bolt is pretty soft and I don't want to screw up the flat head.
So, my query to this group, how the heck do I go about getting these trashed bearings off???
I've considered they may be reverse threaded. However, I come to the same conclusion, regardless of the direction, I don't want to scar the concentrics. They are about as thick as a Sharpie pen and rather thin walled.

Thoughts? Suggestions?
Thanks
Darren


Re: Bainbridge blade guides

 

Bill,
You weren't kidding. They are PROUD of those cam followers. However, I believe I have the proper size ordered. We'll see in a couple of weeks, once they arrive from the manufacturer. I plan on implementing a liquid lubrication system, at some point. I looked into the stainless steel cam followers but decided against them as they literally cost more than silver, per ounce. So, I got the sealed version.?
During this experience I started looking at replacement drive and idler wheel bearings. I figured I'd probably need just regular bearings. However, after learning about the loads these things put on the blade, I have to wonder, that load must be transferred to the bearings. Right? So, should I be looking at any particular bearings for the drive/idler wheels??
Thanks for the continued support!
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:42 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:
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I think you have a well built saw Darren.
Just needs a bit of TLC!
All the saws I have seen that used cam follower guides were high quality US made machines. I remember a DoAll we had that was built that way.

Bill

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From: 4x6bandsaw@... on behalf of Darren McCarley [email protected] [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:03 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides
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Bill,
I appreciate your positive outlook. :) It's been an education thus far. I.e. concentric vs eccentric. ;). I continue to learn from y'all and appreciate every bit of it! For my own knowledge, and anyone else who might look for this in the future, I'll post up what I find.
Thanks again!
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 9:37 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:
?

Happy Thanksgiving Darren, and all!

I’d bet they are standard flavor, that you can find easily at a bearing house, or online.. ?

Good news is, they are a far better bearing than a ball or deep groove ball, and will last a lot longer.

Smaller ones are needle, larger generally a double row needle, and will handle a lot more load than ball bearings.

They cost more, initially, but overall, the cost will be less due to the long life they have.

I’m thinking you will have a really good saw when you get it all plus’d back up!

?

?

Bill

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From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 7:18 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides

?

?

Dang, I was REALLY hoping that wasn't the case. Wanna bet these are funky dimensions? Time to get out the calipers.

Thanks Bill!?

Happy Thanksgiving to all that celebrate it tomorrow! :)

Darren

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On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 8:22 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:

?

Those appear to be eccentric cam followers.

You don’t replace just the bearing, you replace the bearing, stud & all.

Bill

?

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 6:12 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides [7 Attachments]

?

?

[Attachment(s) from Darren McCarley included below]

The resurrection of the Bainbridge bandsaw continues.. I've refinished the stand and base. Moving on to replacing all the bearings I find myself a bit bewildered. Attached you'll find images of the guide bearings. I believe the bearings are captured by the concentrics. However, one bearing shows signs of a previous owner trying to press the bearings out, and failed. So, I don't think I'll be attempting that route. I doubt the images show it, but I believe I see threads under the concentrics. However, the bolt is pretty soft and I don't want to screw up the flat head.?

So, my query to this group, how the heck do I go about getting these trashed bearings off????

I've considered they may be reverse threaded. However, I come to the same conclusion, regardless of the direction, I don't want to scar the concentrics. They are about as thick as a Sharpie pen and rather thin walled.?

?

Thoughts? Suggestions??

Thanks?

Darren


On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:42 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...> wrote:
?

I think you have a well built saw Darren.
Just needs a bit of TLC!
All the saws I have seen that used cam follower guides were high quality US made machines. I remember a DoAll we had that was built that way.

Bill

?

From: 4x6bandsaw@... on behalf of Darren McCarley [email protected] [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:03 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides
?
?

Bill,
I appreciate your positive outlook. :) It's been an education thus far. I.e. concentric vs eccentric. ;). I continue to learn from y'all and appreciate every bit of it! For my own knowledge, and anyone else who might look for this in the future, I'll post up what I find.
Thanks again!
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 9:37 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:
?

Happy Thanksgiving Darren, and all!

I’d bet they are standard flavor, that you can find easily at a bearing house, or online.. ?

Good news is, they are a far better bearing than a ball or deep groove ball, and will last a lot longer.

Smaller ones are needle, larger generally a double row needle, and will handle a lot more load than ball bearings.

They cost more, initially, but overall, the cost will be less due to the long life they have.

I’m thinking you will have a really good saw when you get it all plus’d back up!

?

?

Bill

?

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 7:18 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides

?

?

Dang, I was REALLY hoping that wasn't the case. Wanna bet these are funky dimensions? Time to get out the calipers.

Thanks Bill!?

Happy Thanksgiving to all that celebrate it tomorrow! :)

Darren

?

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 8:22 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:

?

Those appear to be eccentric cam followers.

You don’t replace just the bearing, you replace the bearing, stud & all.

Bill

?

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 6:12 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides [7 Attachments]

?

?

[Attachment(s) from Darren McCarley included below]

The resurrection of the Bainbridge bandsaw continues.. I've refinished the stand and base. Moving on to replacing all the bearings I find myself a bit bewildered. Attached you'll find images of the guide bearings. I believe the bearings are captured by the concentrics. However, one bearing shows signs of a previous owner trying to press the bearings out, and failed. So, I don't think I'll be attempting that route. I doubt the images show it, but I believe I see threads under the concentrics. However, the bolt is pretty soft and I don't want to screw up the flat head.?

So, my query to this group, how the heck do I go about getting these trashed bearings off????

I've considered they may be reverse threaded. However, I come to the same conclusion, regardless of the direction, I don't want to scar the concentrics. They are about as thick as a Sharpie pen and rather thin walled.?

?

Thoughts? Suggestions??

Thanks?

Darren


Re: Bainbridge blade guides

 

开云体育

I think you have a well built saw Darren.
Just needs a bit of TLC!
All the saws I have seen that used cam follower guides were high quality US made machines. I remember a DoAll we had that was built that way.

Bill

?


From: 4x6bandsaw@... on behalf of Darren McCarley darren.mccarley@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:03 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides
?
?

Bill,
I appreciate your positive outlook. :) It's been an education thus far. I.e. concentric vs eccentric. ;). I continue to learn from y'all and appreciate every bit of it! For my own knowledge, and anyone else who might look for this in the future, I'll post up what I find.
Thanks again!
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 9:37 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:
?

Happy Thanksgiving Darren, and all!

I’d bet they are standard flavor, that you can find easily at a bearing house, or online.. ?

Good news is, they are a far better bearing than a ball or deep groove ball, and will last a lot longer.

Smaller ones are needle, larger generally a double row needle, and will handle a lot more load than ball bearings.

They cost more, initially, but overall, the cost will be less due to the long life they have.

I’m thinking you will have a really good saw when you get it all plus’d back up!

?

?

Bill

?

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 7:18 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides

?

?

Dang, I was REALLY hoping that wasn't the case. Wanna bet these are funky dimensions? Time to get out the calipers.

Thanks Bill!?

Happy Thanksgiving to all that celebrate it tomorrow! :)

Darren

?

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 8:22 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:

?

Those appear to be eccentric cam followers.

You don’t replace just the bearing, you replace the bearing, stud & all.

Bill

?

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 6:12 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides [7 Attachments]

?

?

[Attachment(s) from Darren McCarley included below]

The resurrection of the Bainbridge bandsaw continues.. I've refinished the stand and base. Moving on to replacing all the bearings I find myself a bit bewildered. Attached you'll find images of the guide bearings. I believe the bearings are captured by the concentrics. However, one bearing shows signs of a previous owner trying to press the bearings out, and failed. So, I don't think I'll be attempting that route. I doubt the images show it, but I believe I see threads under the concentrics. However, the bolt is pretty soft and I don't want to screw up the flat head.?

So, my query to this group, how the heck do I go about getting these trashed bearings off????

I've considered they may be reverse threaded. However, I come to the same conclusion, regardless of the direction, I don't want to scar the concentrics. They are about as thick as a Sharpie pen and rather thin walled.?

?

Thoughts? Suggestions??

Thanks?

Darren


Re: Bainbridge blade guides

 

Bill,
I appreciate your positive outlook. :) It's been an education thus far. I.e. concentric vs eccentric. ;). I continue to learn from y'all and appreciate every bit of it! For my own knowledge, and anyone else who might look for this in the future, I'll post up what I find.
Thanks again!
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 9:37 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:
?

Happy Thanksgiving Darren, and all!

I’d bet they are standard flavor, that you can find easily at a bearing house, or online. ?

Good news is, they are a far better bearing than a ball or deep groove ball, and will last a lot longer.

Smaller ones are needle, larger generally a double row needle, and will handle a lot more load than ball bearings.

They cost more, initially, but overall, the cost will be less due to the long life they have.

I’m thinking you will have a really good saw when you get it all plus’d back up!

?

?

Bill

?

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 7:18 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides

?

?

Dang, I was REALLY hoping that wasn't the case. Wanna bet these are funky dimensions? Time to get out the calipers.

Thanks Bill!?

Happy Thanksgiving to all that celebrate it tomorrow! :)

Darren

?

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 8:22 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:

?

Those appear to be eccentric cam followers.

You don’t replace just the bearing, you replace the bearing, stud & all.

Bill

?

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 6:12 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides [7 Attachments]

?

?

[Attachment(s) from Darren McCarley included below]

The resurrection of the Bainbridge bandsaw continues.. I've refinished the stand and base. Moving on to replacing all the bearings I find myself a bit bewildered. Attached you'll find images of the guide bearings. I believe the bearings are captured by the concentrics. However, one bearing shows signs of a previous owner trying to press the bearings out, and failed. So, I don't think I'll be attempting that route. I doubt the images show it, but I believe I see threads under the concentrics. However, the bolt is pretty soft and I don't want to screw up the flat head.?

So, my query to this group, how the heck do I go about getting these trashed bearings off????

I've considered they may be reverse threaded. However, I come to the same conclusion, regardless of the direction, I don't want to scar the concentrics. They are about as thick as a Sharpie pen and rather thin walled.?

?

Thoughts? Suggestions??

Thanks?

Darren


Re: Bainbridge blade guides

 

开云体育

Happy Thanksgiving Darren, and all!

I’d bet they are standard flavor, that you can find easily at a bearing house, or online. ?

Good news is, they are a far better bearing than a ball or deep groove ball, and will last a lot longer.

Smaller ones are needle, larger generally a double row needle, and will handle a lot more load than ball bearings.

They cost more, initially, but overall, the cost will be less due to the long life they have.

I’m thinking you will have a really good saw when you get it all plus’d back up!

?

?

Bill

?

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 7:18 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides

?

?

Dang, I was REALLY hoping that wasn't the case. Wanna bet these are funky dimensions? Time to get out the calipers.

Thanks Bill!?

Happy Thanksgiving to all that celebrate it tomorrow! :)

Darren

?

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 8:22 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:

?

Those appear to be eccentric cam followers.

You don’t replace just the bearing, you replace the bearing, stud & all.

Bill

?

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 6:12 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides [7 Attachments]

?

?

[Attachment(s) from Darren McCarley included below]

The resurrection of the Bainbridge bandsaw continues.. I've refinished the stand and base. Moving on to replacing all the bearings I find myself a bit bewildered. Attached you'll find images of the guide bearings. I believe the bearings are captured by the concentrics. However, one bearing shows signs of a previous owner trying to press the bearings out, and failed. So, I don't think I'll be attempting that route. I doubt the images show it, but I believe I see threads under the concentrics. However, the bolt is pretty soft and I don't want to screw up the flat head.?

So, my query to this group, how the heck do I go about getting these trashed bearings off????

I've considered they may be reverse threaded. However, I come to the same conclusion, regardless of the direction, I don't want to scar the concentrics. They are about as thick as a Sharpie pen and rather thin walled.?

?

Thoughts? Suggestions??

Thanks?

Darren


Re: Bainbridge blade guides

 

Dang, I was REALLY hoping that wasn't the case. Wanna bet these are funky dimensions? Time to get out the calipers.
Thanks Bill!?
Happy Thanksgiving to all that celebrate it tomorrow! :)
Darren

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 8:22 PM Bill Armstrong bill_1955@... [4x6bandsaw] <4x6bandsaw@... wrote:
?

Those appear to be eccentric cam followers.

You don’t replace just the bearing, you replace the bearing, stud & all.

Bill

?

From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 6:12 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides [7 Attachments]

?

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[Attachment(s) from Darren McCarley included below]

The resurrection of the Bainbridge bandsaw continues. I've refinished the stand and base. Moving on to replacing all the bearings I find myself a bit bewildered. Attached you'll find images of the guide bearings. I believe the bearings are captured by the concentrics. However, one bearing shows signs of a previous owner trying to press the bearings out, and failed. So, I don't think I'll be attempting that route. I doubt the images show it, but I believe I see threads under the concentrics. However, the bolt is pretty soft and I don't want to screw up the flat head.?

So, my query to this group, how the heck do I go about getting these trashed bearings off????

I've considered they may be reverse threaded. However, I come to the same conclusion, regardless of the direction, I don't want to scar the concentrics. They are about as thick as a Sharpie pen and rather thin walled.?

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Thoughts? Suggestions??

Thanks?

Darren


Re: Bainbridge blade guides [7 Attachments]

 

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You can download a McGill cam follower catalog here:

Many different manufacturers out there, including SKF, IKO etc….

Or just zip down to your handy dandy bearing house, with one in hand, and let them measure it. ?

Bill

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From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 6:12 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides [7 Attachments]

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[Attachment(s) from Darren McCarley included below]

The resurrection of the Bainbridge bandsaw continues. I've refinished the stand and base. Moving on to replacing all the bearings I find myself a bit bewildered. Attached you'll find images of the guide bearings. I believe the bearings are captured by the concentrics. However, one bearing shows signs of a previous owner trying to press the bearings out, and failed. So, I don't think I'll be attempting that route. I doubt the images show it, but I believe I see threads under the concentrics. However, the bolt is pretty soft and I don't want to screw up the flat head.?

So, my query to this group, how the heck do I go about getting these trashed bearings off????

I've considered they may be reverse threaded. However, I come to the same conclusion, regardless of the direction, I don't want to scar the concentrics. They are about as thick as a Sharpie pen and rather thin walled.?

?

Thoughts? Suggestions??

Thanks?

Darren


Re: Bainbridge blade guides [7 Attachments]

 

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Those appear to be eccentric cam followers.

You don’t replace just the bearing, you replace the bearing, stud & all.

Bill

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From: 4x6bandsaw@... [mailto:4x6bandsaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 6:12 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Bainbridge blade guides [7 Attachments]

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[Attachment(s) from Darren McCarley included below]

The resurrection of the Bainbridge bandsaw continues. I've refinished the stand and base. Moving on to replacing all the bearings I find myself a bit bewildered. Attached you'll find images of the guide bearings. I believe the bearings are captured by the concentrics. However, one bearing shows signs of a previous owner trying to press the bearings out, and failed. So, I don't think I'll be attempting that route. I doubt the images show it, but I believe I see threads under the concentrics. However, the bolt is pretty soft and I don't want to screw up the flat head.?

So, my query to this group, how the heck do I go about getting these trashed bearings off????

I've considered they may be reverse threaded. However, I come to the same conclusion, regardless of the direction, I don't want to scar the concentrics. They are about as thick as a Sharpie pen and rather thin walled.?

?

Thoughts? Suggestions??

Thanks?

Darren


Bainbridge blade guides

 

The resurrection of the Bainbridge bandsaw continues. I've refinished the stand and base. Moving on to replacing all the bearings I find myself a bit bewildered. Attached you'll find images of the guide bearings. I believe the bearings are captured by the concentrics. However, one bearing shows signs of a previous owner trying to press the bearings out, and failed. So, I don't think I'll be attempting that route. I doubt the images show it, but I believe I see threads under the concentrics. However, the bolt is pretty soft and I don't want to screw up the flat head.?
So, my query to this group, how the heck do I go about getting these trashed bearings off????
I've considered they may be reverse threaded. However, I come to the same conclusion, regardless of the direction, I don't want to scar the concentrics. They are about as thick as a Sharpie pen and rather thin walled.?

Thoughts? Suggestions??
Thanks?
Darren


Re: Concentric Guide Bearing Location

 

Thanks Guys for all the good info. ?That's a nice doc Carl, ?on setting up the saw.


Re: Concentric Guide Bearing Location

 

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Here’s a good document to help set up your saw.
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From: Terry Coombs snagone@... [4x6bandsaw]
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 7:43 PM
To: 4x6bandsaw@...
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Concentric Guide Bearing Location
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On 11/16/2018 7:18 PM, Burton Kinn burton.kinn@... [4x6bandsaw] wrote:
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Hi there group,? I just picked up a nice little super in good shape Grizzly G1010 4x6 from a lady whose husband passed away.? Got it super cheap..? He was a wood worker and used it to cut wood only.? The saw is complete and was kept covered when not in use.? The only thing that was disassembled was the two guide bearing assemblies.? I purchased 6 new 6000z bearing and installed them on the shafts and saw that two of them were concentric for adjustment.? My question to anyone who can help is where do they go?
If you are standing in front of the machine looking at the Grizzly nameplate on the left and motor is on the right in horizontal cutting position.? Do they go in front of the blade or behind?? Or does one guide get one on the front and the other guide get one on the rear of the blade?? I’m stumped???????? Need some help getting this little metal slicer up and running!!!!

? One on each end , put them both on the same side of the blade . Then adjust for about .006 - .010 chip clearance between the blade and guide bearings . There are a couple of good articles on alignment in the archives unless yahoo has managed to lose them .

? To the group owner - have you considered moving the group to IO ? Several other groups I read have made the move , and are better for it .

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Re: Concentric Guide Bearing Location

 

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On 11/16/2018 7:18 PM, Burton Kinn burton.kinn@... [4x6bandsaw] wrote:
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Hi there group, ?I just picked up a nice little super in good shape Grizzly G1010 4x6 from a lady whose husband passed away. ?Got it super cheap.. ?He was a wood worker and used it to cut wood only. ?The saw is complete and was kept covered when not in use. ?The only thing that was disassembled was the two guide bearing assemblies. ?I purchased 6 new 6000z bearing and installed them on the shafts and saw that two of them were concentric for adjustment. ?My question to anyone who can help is where do they go?
If you are standing in front of the machine looking at the Grizzly nameplate on the left and motor is on the right in horizontal cutting position. ?Do they go in front of the blade or behind? ?Or does one guide get one on the front and the other guide get one on the rear of the blade? ?I’m stumped?????? ??Need some help getting this little metal slicer up and running!!!!

? One on each end , put them both on the same side of the blade . Then adjust for about .006 - .010 chip clearance between the blade and guide bearings . There are a couple of good articles on alignment in the archives unless yahoo has managed to lose them .

? To the group owner - have you considered moving the group to IO ? Several other groups I read have made the move , and are better for it .

? --

? Snag