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Zeiss Ikon Collectors Group (ZICG). List Information, version 2.3.7

Kia ora ZICG members,

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CONTENTS:
- About Yahoogroups
- Posting to ZICG
- (Un)Subscribing
- Points of Reference
- Official ZICG Web Page
- Mail settings for ZICG
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- Other Mailing Lists
- End Notes
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ABOUT Yahoogroups

Yahoogroups is a free mailing list service. You can set your own email distribution list by going to or see information about the ZICG mailing list at

If you are a member of Yahoo AND you are a member of ZICG, you can view the archive of emails online as well as change your personal settings (such as digest mode etc). You may also view the subscription list.

ZICG used to be listed with Coollist. Poor reliability and even poorer customer service saw ZICG move in May 2000 to eGroups. William Lurie organised with nine other members to keep ZICG ad-free and paid eGroups a fee to drop all advertisements from emails. ZICG became ad-free from November 5, 2000. EGroups became a possession of Yahoo in December, 2000. Hence ZICG became a Yahoo group.

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POSTING TO ZICG

The ZICG list was set up for people who want to discuss anything Zeiss. ZICG is a collection of Zeiss authorities and enthusiasts brought together through the medium of email to share knowledge as friends. Anybody can be a member and nobody has ever been banned.

You cannot send attachments. If you want to share a file, put it on a website and post the URL to the list. Remember that .vcf files (vcards) are classified as attachments. As a member, you can upload photos and files to the ZICG archives with Yahoo and then send notification to the list.

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Zeiss Historica Society
c/o Larry Gubas (President and Acting Secretary)
8240 Bradley Road
Las Vegas
NV 89131
USA

John Scott (Treasurer, Editor) <john.t.scott@...>
4507 Mountain Path Drive
Austin TX 78759
USA

North American dues are $US 40 per year and include two issues of Zeiss Historica, the Society's journal, and an annual bonus, generally a reprint of a Zeiss publication. Dues for members outside North America are $US 50 per year. Credit card payments are welcome. For more information, see the three websites listed under MEMBER WEB PAGES. Either of the above two people can handle enquiries from interested parties.

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OFFICIAL ZICG WEB PAGE
The official ZICG web site is:

It was created by Thomas Myro. It is well out of date but has some archives from 1997 on it. Nobody has used the classified section for some time now. It is a private web page, not a collectively produced one.

Passwords are:
CONTAPROX for the archives.
PROXAR for the classifieds.

Both in uppercase letters.

WARNING: Thomas's web page has out of date subscription details, it still refers to the Coollist mailing list. That mailing list no longer exists. Please only ever refer to the Yahoo! web page for subscription information.

Sometime in the future it would be great to develop a website made up of contributions from all members of ZICG. This may be something that could be developed through Yahoo's service or via a member with web space to donate.

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MEMBER WEB PAGES
The following is a list of web pages on Zeiss Ikon as created by ZICG members. If you would like your site to appear here please email me and I will add it.

John A. Lind: There is a large variety of information here including Zeiss Ikon Contax, Rollei-35, Mamiya M645 and Olympus OM:
Stephen Gandy's CameraQuest:

Zeiss Historica Society Information (but not just about the ZHS):



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Michael Moffatt.

Hi, All:
I am a serious user of the Tenax II and have run more film through my first Tenax in the last two years than all my other cameras combined. I also tend to pick up odds 'n ends for the Contax.
I have used Nikons for over 48 years, and I am the author of the book The Nikon Camera in America, 1946-1953 published by McFarland.
Does anyone have a diagram of the lens formula for the 7.5cm Sonnar for the Tenax? Would be the same as the model for the Robot.
Simon: What is your latest figure on the number of Tenax II produced?
I have several blogs on the Tenax, but need to update them as I learn more. Thank you.
WES LODER
for e-mail responses, please use my regular e-mail address: MWL2@....

I recently bought a Contax III that has me rather puzzled. It has the later type front-plate with narrower engraving and a lower cross-bar on the 'T' of Contax. It seems well cared-for and original and does not appear to have been messed about at all, in fact the only visible screws showing slight "signs of use" are those for the film-gate casting. The serial number is in the usual place at the lower left of the body. The puzzle is that the serial number is Y.59823. As we all know, the first Contax IIs were in the 'Z' prefixes, the first Contax IIIs in the 'A's (though IIs could be converted), and 'Y' was not used again until 1952/3, so where did this 'Y' come from?

Another slight anomaly is that all the body serials I have checked so far read correctly with the lens upwards, but this one reads with the lens down. The back serial is not the same, and has been rather neatly obliterated, and there's no number in the accessory shoe. The camera came with a 1.5 Sonnar that dates from 1937 according to the online lists. It may not be the original, but it was on the camera in 1958 according to receipts.

All I can think is that the operative that stamped the serial numbers in the factory, just picked up the wrong punch one day! However, if the number 59823 is correct, then, from the serial number ranges in Simon Worsley's Production Figures PDF, 59823 would only fit in with the 'B' or 'D' serials (early type front-plate) or the 'K's (serial in the accessory shoe).

Can anyone think of another plausible explanation?

Steve Sheppard.

Hi, its often a case of what you don't do! If the shutter blades snap open a closed nicely on the 'B' setting then that is a good sign; if they are sluggish and have an oily deposit on them then a deeper clean of the mechanism may be needed. The slow speeds can gum up - again a test can give a good indication of accuracy - if the 1 second sounds right then the other speeds should be pretty close. +/- 20% of the indicated speed is only about 1/5th second in reality.

Rick Oleson has published some information on the Synchro Compur shutter below:

A good quality thin sewing machine or watch oil should be used to very sparingly lubricate the pivots/bearings of the moving parts; it is really important not to get oil on the shutter leaves or the iris blades. Generally this will get a sluggish escapement working as it should do.

If the grease in the front element focussing helix has dried out, a good quality lithium grease can be used sparingly to get it running smoothly.

If the shutter is really badly gummed up, all the lens elements need to be removed, the shutter unit removed and the assembly washed out in lighter fuel or a similar non-destructive solvent. In a way, it is better to avoid a camera with a badly gummed shutter unless you are looking for a project!

Its best really to avoid wholesale dismantling of the shutter as this is not necessary unless something is broken, and can mess up factory settings for the slow speed escapement. It can be washed as a unit with the shutter speed cam removed. Bear in mind some followers in the shutter itself run in the groves of the cam - just make a note of which ones and use a small screwdriver to lever them into their respective locations when the cam is refitted.

Lens elements can be cleaned with methylated spirit and lens tissues; collimation is straight forward with a ground glass screen against the film guides and a magnifying glass - set the shutter open on 'B' and get a distant object in focus by turning the front element back/forth in the focussing helix.. If the camera has a Rangefinder, ensure that it is also set to infinity and refit the focussing ring (there is generally a slot in that which engages with the tang on the rangefinder ring gear), tighten the grub screw fully before attempting to turn the focus ring.

Cheers,

Steve

Hello everybody
I'm new in this specific area of folding MF cameras and very enthusiastic about the whole process of restoring.
I found several info about dating and fixing the shutters(dew to many year of none use)but i can't find the whole process..of CLA.
Does anyone knows or have some kind of info from what lubricant to use to how to collimate the lens?
Thanks people for your attention and your acceptance to this fantastic group

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Zeiss Ikon Collectors Group (ZICG). List Information, version 2.3.7

Kia ora ZICG members,

This message will be posted every month to keep you informed about the Zeiss Ikon Collectors Group (ZICG). It will also be available anytime on the YahooGroups website . It contains important details about the mailing list and is sent to new subscribers.

---
CONTENTS:
- About Yahoogroups
- Posting to ZICG
- (Un)Subscribing
- Points of Reference
- Official ZICG Web Page
- Mail settings for ZICG
- Member Web Pages
- Other Mailing Lists
- End Notes
* = section updated
---

ABOUT Yahoogroups

Yahoogroups is a free mailing list service. You can set your own email distribution list by going to or see information about the ZICG mailing list at

If you are a member of Yahoo AND you are a member of ZICG, you can view the archive of emails online as well as change your personal settings (such as digest mode etc). You may also view the subscription list.

ZICG used to be listed with Coollist. Poor reliability and even poorer customer service saw ZICG move in May 2000 to eGroups. William Lurie organised with nine other members to keep ZICG ad-free and paid eGroups a fee to drop all advertisements from emails. ZICG became ad-free from November 5, 2000. EGroups became a possession of Yahoo in December, 2000. Hence ZICG became a Yahoo group.

---
POSTING TO ZICG

The ZICG list was set up for people who want to discuss anything Zeiss. ZICG is a collection of Zeiss authorities and enthusiasts brought together through the medium of email to share knowledge as friends. Anybody can be a member and nobody has ever been banned.

You cannot send attachments. If you want to share a file, put it on a website and post the URL to the list. Remember that .vcf files (vcards) are classified as attachments. As a member, you can upload photos and files to the ZICG archives with Yahoo and then send notification to the list.

Please do not post HTML or specially formatted messages to the list. If you can, turn off these options on your email program. Some ZICG members cannot read your message if you send it in those formats.

Sale or Wanted adverts are acceptable on ZICG. All adverts must be about Zeiss equipment. You can post them at any time as a dealer or collector. Please do not abuse this policy, regulations will be set if members become dissatisfied with excessive sale/wanted adverts from the same individuals. It is acceptable to send an auction URL as long as it maintains a relevance to discussion on ZICG.

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To unsubscribe send a blank message to: ZICG-unsubscribe@... or visit or (if you have difficulty) email <ZICG-owner@...>.

To post to ZICG, email your message to <zicg@...>

There are other commands available on this listserver. You must register with Yahoo before you can make use of them and then visit . When you register, you must use the email address that you are subscribed to ZICG with.

---
POINTS OF REFERENCE
Marc James Small has made available to ZICG List members an extremely detailed and up-to-date bibliography of Zeiss, Leica and Rollei literature. It is available by visiting:

Zeiss Historica Society
c/o Larry Gubas (President and Acting Secretary)
8240 Bradley Road
Las Vegas
NV 89131
USA

John Scott (Treasurer, Editor) <john.t.scott@...>
4507 Mountain Path Drive
Austin TX 78759
USA

North American dues are $US 40 per year and include two issues of Zeiss Historica, the Society's journal, and an annual bonus, generally a reprint of a Zeiss publication. Dues for members outside North America are $US 50 per year. Credit card payments are welcome. For more information, see the three websites listed under MEMBER WEB PAGES. Either of the above two people can handle enquiries from interested parties.

---
OFFICIAL ZICG WEB PAGE
The official ZICG web site is:

It was created by Thomas Myro. It is well out of date but has some archives from 1997 on it. Nobody has used the classified section for some time now. It is a private web page, not a collectively produced one.

Passwords are:
CONTAPROX for the archives.
PROXAR for the classifieds.

Both in uppercase letters.

WARNING: Thomas's web page has out of date subscription details, it still refers to the Coollist mailing list. That mailing list no longer exists. Please only ever refer to the Yahoo! web page for subscription information.

Sometime in the future it would be great to develop a website made up of contributions from all members of ZICG. This may be something that could be developed through Yahoo's service or via a member with web space to donate.

---
MAIL SETTINGS FOR ZICG

Discussion is for members
Unmoderated
Email attachments are not permitted
Replies go to all members of the group
Subject tag: [ZICG]
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Language of automated messages: English

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MEMBER WEB PAGES
The following is a list of web pages on Zeiss Ikon as created by ZICG members. If you would like your site to appear here please email me and I will add it.

John A. Lind: There is a large variety of information here including Zeiss Ikon Contax, Rollei-35, Mamiya M645 and Olympus OM:
Stephen Gandy's CameraQuest:

Zeiss Historica Society Information (but not just about the ZHS):



Do you have a website about Zeiss? Send me the address!

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OTHER RELATED MAILING LISTS
To subscribe to the Rollei List:
send to: <majordomo@...>
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subscribe rollei
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To subscribe to the Leica Users Group:
send to: <majordomo@...>
no subject
in the body of the message, type:
subscribe leica-users
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For information about the Internet Directory of Camera Collectors (IDCC) then email <idcc-request@...> with the word "help" in the subject line.
To subscribe to the Subminiature Photography Mailing List email <listserv@...> and type
SUBSCRIBE SUBMINI-L
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Hei konei ra,
Michael Moffatt.

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Unfortunately the lens is not good visible.
the meter shows a speed of max. 8m/sec. For an image height of 18mm that means 444 frames/sec.
Never seen such an item.
Hope this helps
J.

as far as i can tell, agfa made a register camera with motor drive. ?I never heard of a zeiss version

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