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Help to date an Ikonta 520/2
Hi All, I've
recently aquired a Zeiss Ikon Ikonta 520/2 for my modest collection of
vintage cameras, and have discovered from the usual search engines this model was in production
from the late 1920's through to 1937 but I would like to pin down the date
a little closer. The camera itself has the serial number "P 59728"
stamped on the inner case and has the Novar 6.3/10.5 and Derval lens/shutter combo, but unlike many examples I have seen of this
model on the web it does not have a two frame viewfinder on it's side and the folding door hinged leg has a square end where as on other models I've seen this has been rounded. I'm hoping the
group members could shead some light on it's origin. I did find some exchanges for this model where reference was made to the serials and? which seemed to imply that the letter part of the serial could be a year code ie "U" =1931 and "V"=1932 but that would place "P" as 1926 which I gather was before the camera was launched??. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Best Regards Neil. |
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Re: zeiss super ikonta 6x9
Hello Franco, Glad to be of help ! Usually you will find the Zeiss Ikon model number somewhere imprinted on the leatherette on the back. In the case of your camera probably number 531/2. Enjoy your Super Ikonta ! Hans Kerensky?
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Re: zeiss super ikonta 6x9
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýCan you post some photos of? your camera? That would help in identifying it. ? The Super Ikontas had coupled rangefinders, whereas the Ikontas had viewfinders only. ? If your camera has the popup viewfinder and no rangefinder and the shutter release on the body, it may be an Ikonta 521 C, or Ikonta 521/2 (6 x 9 cm frame, with a 10.5cm lens).Best way to identify it is by comparing it to photos of Ikontas and Super Ikontas online. ? I have an Ikonta 521 A (4.5 x 6) with the serial number preceded by F, which indicates it is from 1938. If that letter designation holds up across versions and models, then yours may also be from that year. Without seeing photos or knowing more details about your camera that¡¯s just speculation, though. ? Noel ? ? From:
ZICG@... [mailto:ZICG@...] ? ? Hi all. Have you some tips to understand the difference from zeiss ikon and zeiss super ikonta? I found one camera 6x9 with NOVAR-ANASTIGMAT 3.5/105mm The serial number F96911. How I can undesrtand the year production and if it's a super ikonta or ikonta and wich models. ? Thanks a lot for your info ? regards fb ? |
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Re: zeiss super ikonta 6x9
Hi Hans Thanks a lot for your link. It seems a super ikonta 6x9 prewar with Novar 3.5/10.5 cm lens in a shutter. I think I'll enjoy with this camera. Thanks a lot. Franco Base ---In ZICG@..., <hanskerensky@...> wrote : Hi FB(?) Have a look at this page on the Camera-wiki were all Ikonta's and super Ikonta's are shown : Greetings,
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Re: zeiss super ikonta 6x9
Hi FB(?) Have a look at this page on the Camera-wiki were all Ikonta's and super Ikonta's are shown : Greetings,
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zeiss super ikonta 6x9
Hi all. Have you some tips to understand the difference from zeiss ikon and zeiss super ikonta? I found one camera 6x9 with NOVAR-ANASTIGMAT 3.5/105mm The serial number F96911. How I can undesrtand the year production and if it's a super ikonta or ikonta and wich models. Thanks a lot for your info regards fb |
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File - zicg-info.txt
Zeiss Ikon Collectors Group (ZICG). List Information, version 2.3.7
Kia ora ZICG members, This message will be posted every month to keep you informed about the Zeiss Ikon Collectors Group (ZICG). It will also be available anytime on the YahooGroups website . It contains important details about the mailing list and is sent to new subscribers. --- CONTENTS: - About Yahoogroups - Posting to ZICG - (Un)Subscribing - Points of Reference - Official ZICG Web Page - Mail settings for ZICG - Member Web Pages - Other Mailing Lists - End Notes * = section updated --- ABOUT Yahoogroups Yahoogroups is a free mailing list service. You can set your own email distribution list by going to or see information about the ZICG mailing list at If you are a member of Yahoo AND you are a member of ZICG, you can view the archive of emails online as well as change your personal settings (such as digest mode etc). You may also view the subscription list. ZICG used to be listed with Coollist. Poor reliability and even poorer customer service saw ZICG move in May 2000 to eGroups. William Lurie organised with nine other members to keep ZICG ad-free and paid eGroups a fee to drop all advertisements from emails. ZICG became ad-free from November 5, 2000. EGroups became a possession of Yahoo in December, 2000. Hence ZICG became a Yahoo group. --- POSTING TO ZICG The ZICG list was set up for people who want to discuss anything Zeiss. ZICG is a collection of Zeiss authorities and enthusiasts brought together through the medium of email to share knowledge as friends. Anybody can be a member and nobody has ever been banned. You cannot send attachments. If you want to share a file, put it on a website and post the URL to the list. Remember that .vcf files (vcards) are classified as attachments. As a member, you can upload photos and files to the ZICG archives with Yahoo and then send notification to the list. Please do not post HTML or specially formatted messages to the list. If you can, turn off these options on your email program. Some ZICG members cannot read your message if you send it in those formats. Sale or Wanted adverts are acceptable on ZICG. All adverts must be about Zeiss equipment. You can post them at any time as a dealer or collector. Please do not abuse this policy, regulations will be set if members become dissatisfied with excessive sale/wanted adverts from the same individuals. It is acceptable to send an auction URL as long as it maintains a relevance to discussion on ZICG. --- (UN)SUBSCRIBING To subscribe, visit or email ZICG-subscribe@.... Once you have done this you will be emailed a message to the address you subscribed with. Follow the instructions in the email and your end of the enrolment process will be completed. To unsubscribe send a blank message to: ZICG-unsubscribe@... or visit or (if you have difficulty) email <ZICG-owner@...>. To post to ZICG, email your message to <zicg@...> There are other commands available on this listserver. You must register with Yahoo before you can make use of them and then visit . When you register, you must use the email address that you are subscribed to ZICG with. --- POINTS OF REFERENCE Marc James Small has made available to ZICG List members an extremely detailed and up-to-date bibliography of Zeiss, Leica and Rollei literature. It is available by visiting: Zeiss Historica Society c/o Larry Gubas (President and Acting Secretary) 8240 Bradley Road Las Vegas NV 89131 USA John Scott (Treasurer, Editor) <john.t.scott@...> 4507 Mountain Path Drive Austin TX 78759 USA North American dues are $US 40 per year and include two issues of Zeiss Historica, the Society's journal, and an annual bonus, generally a reprint of a Zeiss publication. Dues for members outside North America are $US 50 per year. Credit card payments are welcome. For more information, see the three websites listed under MEMBER WEB PAGES. Either of the above two people can handle enquiries from interested parties. --- OFFICIAL ZICG WEB PAGE The official ZICG web site is: It was created by Thomas Myro. It is well out of date but has some archives from 1997 on it. Nobody has used the classified section for some time now. It is a private web page, not a collectively produced one. Passwords are: CONTAPROX for the archives. PROXAR for the classifieds. Both in uppercase letters. WARNING: Thomas's web page has out of date subscription details, it still refers to the Coollist mailing list. That mailing list no longer exists. Please only ever refer to the Yahoo! web page for subscription information. Sometime in the future it would be great to develop a website made up of contributions from all members of ZICG. This may be something that could be developed through Yahoo's service or via a member with web space to donate. --- MAIL SETTINGS FOR ZICG Discussion is for members Unmoderated Email attachments are not permitted Replies go to all members of the group Subject tag: [ZICG] Membership approved by list administrator Language of automated messages: English --- MEMBER WEB PAGES The following is a list of web pages on Zeiss Ikon as created by ZICG members. If you would like your site to appear here please email me and I will add it. John A. Lind: There is a large variety of information here including Zeiss Ikon Contax, Rollei-35, Mamiya M645 and Olympus OM: Stephen Gandy's CameraQuest: Zeiss Historica Society Information (but not just about the ZHS): Do you have a website about Zeiss? Send me the address! --- OTHER RELATED MAILING LISTS To subscribe to the Rollei List: send to: <majordomo@...> no subject in the body of the message, type: subscribe rollei or: subscribe rollei-digest To subscribe to the Leica Users Group: send to: <majordomo@...> no subject in the body of the message, type: subscribe leica-users or, subscribe leica-users-digest For information about the Internet Directory of Camera Collectors (IDCC) then email <idcc-request@...> with the word "help" in the subject line. To subscribe to the Subminiature Photography Mailing List email <listserv@...> and type SUBSCRIBE SUBMINI-L followed by your real name - the "subject" is ignored --- END NOTES Any questions, do not hesitate to ask. Help build this FAQ by giving me feedback over this edition, or items to add to it. Hei konei ra, Michael Moffatt. |
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Re: Contaflex TLR body and lens number
I suspect that it should read 'Made for China', there is an article in the current issue of Zeiss Historica which clears up most of the mystery of the Zeiss Ikon cameras (and accessories) marked 'Made for China;. Regarding details of the Super Nettel, yes please. Regards, Simon Worsley? |
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Re: Contaflex TLR body and lens number
I would like some information on this , since Zeiss never made? that camera in China. Picture detail would help. Thanks On Monday, August 10, 2015 10:28 AM, "mm-elek@... [ZICG]" wrote:
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Simon,
Thanks very much for the reply! On a different note, I just received an e-mail from a fellow who owns a Super Nettel with the "Made in China" markings. Would you be interested in knowing more about this camera? If so, I can put him in touch with you. -Mike Elek |
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Re: Contaflex TLR body and lens number
Simon,
Thanks very much for the reply! On a different note, I just received an e-mail from a fellow who owns a Super Nettel with the "Made in China" markings. Would you be interested in knowing more about this camera? If so, I can put him in touch with you. -Mike Elek |
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Re: Contaflex TLR body and lens number
The Contaflex was introduced in 1935 and I estimate that the earliest production examples had body serial numbers (the ¡®¹ó²¹²ú°ù¾±°ì²¹³Ù¾±´Ç²Ô²õ²Ô³Ü³¾³¾±ð°ù¡¯) in the range Y.84001 to Y.85500, later production batches were: Z.42001 to Z.43000, A.46001 to A.47000, A.49501 to A.51000 and finally A.75501 to A.76500 ¨C for a estimated total production run of 5,750 Contaflex¡¯s.? When you specific camera (with its ¡®¹ó²¹²ú°ù¾±°ì²¹³Ù¾±´Ç²Ô²õ²Ô³Ü³¾³¾±ð°ù¡¯ of A.46261) was made (or at least released to the market) is harder to estimate however I note that in the Zeiss Ikon trade magazine Br¨¹cke for October 1937 a Contaflex A.46134 is reported stolen and?I have a note of a receipt dated April 1937 for Super Ikonta 530/16 with a serial number of A.45463. Bottom line is that I estimate your Contaflex A.46261 dates from 1937. Regards, Simon Worsley |
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Contaflex TLR body and lens number
I've owned this camera for about a decade. I just replaced the shutter straps. The lens is not the original. The original had a broken filter ring. Body number: A46261 Lens: 1930936 (CZJ f/2.0 Sonnar) I also have the 13.5cm Sonnar. I'll provide the lens number later. Any idea of the date for the body? By the way, replacing the straps wasn't nearly as complicated as what I was led to believe.? -Mike Elek |
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New file uploaded to ZICG
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ZICG group. File : /holoceen/lensJena.pdf Uploaded by : hanszeiss <hanszeiss@...> Description : You can access this file at the URL: To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: Regards, hanszeiss <hanszeiss@...> |
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New file uploaded to ZICG
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ZICG group. File : /holoceen/lensbn.pdf Uploaded by : hanszeiss <hanszeiss@...> Description : You can access this file at the URL: To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: Regards, hanszeiss <hanszeiss@...> |
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New file uploaded to ZICG
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ZICG group. File : /holoceen/lens.pdf Uploaded by : hanszeiss <hanszeiss@...> Description : You can access this file at the URL: To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: Regards, hanszeiss <hanszeiss@...> |
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New file uploaded to ZICG
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ZICG group. File : /holoceen/camerabn.pdf Uploaded by : hanszeiss <hanszeiss@...> Description : You can access this file at the URL: To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: Regards, hanszeiss <hanszeiss@...> |
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New file uploaded to ZICG
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ZICG group. File : /holoceen/bodybn.pdf Uploaded by : hanszeiss <hanszeiss@...> Description : You can access this file at the URL: To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: Regards, hanszeiss <hanszeiss@...> |
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File - zicg-info.txt
Zeiss Ikon Collectors Group (ZICG). List Information, version 2.3.7
Kia ora ZICG members, This message will be posted every month to keep you informed about the Zeiss Ikon Collectors Group (ZICG). It will also be available anytime on the YahooGroups website . It contains important details about the mailing list and is sent to new subscribers. --- CONTENTS: - About Yahoogroups - Posting to ZICG - (Un)Subscribing - Points of Reference - Official ZICG Web Page - Mail settings for ZICG - Member Web Pages - Other Mailing Lists - End Notes * = section updated --- ABOUT Yahoogroups Yahoogroups is a free mailing list service. You can set your own email distribution list by going to or see information about the ZICG mailing list at If you are a member of Yahoo AND you are a member of ZICG, you can view the archive of emails online as well as change your personal settings (such as digest mode etc). You may also view the subscription list. ZICG used to be listed with Coollist. Poor reliability and even poorer customer service saw ZICG move in May 2000 to eGroups. William Lurie organised with nine other members to keep ZICG ad-free and paid eGroups a fee to drop all advertisements from emails. ZICG became ad-free from November 5, 2000. EGroups became a possession of Yahoo in December, 2000. Hence ZICG became a Yahoo group. --- POSTING TO ZICG The ZICG list was set up for people who want to discuss anything Zeiss. ZICG is a collection of Zeiss authorities and enthusiasts brought together through the medium of email to share knowledge as friends. Anybody can be a member and nobody has ever been banned. You cannot send attachments. If you want to share a file, put it on a website and post the URL to the list. Remember that .vcf files (vcards) are classified as attachments. As a member, you can upload photos and files to the ZICG archives with Yahoo and then send notification to the list. Please do not post HTML or specially formatted messages to the list. If you can, turn off these options on your email program. Some ZICG members cannot read your message if you send it in those formats. Sale or Wanted adverts are acceptable on ZICG. All adverts must be about Zeiss equipment. You can post them at any time as a dealer or collector. Please do not abuse this policy, regulations will be set if members become dissatisfied with excessive sale/wanted adverts from the same individuals. It is acceptable to send an auction URL as long as it maintains a relevance to discussion on ZICG. --- (UN)SUBSCRIBING To subscribe, visit or email ZICG-subscribe@.... Once you have done this you will be emailed a message to the address you subscribed with. Follow the instructions in the email and your end of the enrolment process will be completed. To unsubscribe send a blank message to: ZICG-unsubscribe@... or visit or (if you have difficulty) email <ZICG-owner@...>. To post to ZICG, email your message to <zicg@...> There are other commands available on this listserver. You must register with Yahoo before you can make use of them and then visit . When you register, you must use the email address that you are subscribed to ZICG with. --- POINTS OF REFERENCE Marc James Small has made available to ZICG List members an extremely detailed and up-to-date bibliography of Zeiss, Leica and Rollei literature. It is available by visiting: Zeiss Historica Society c/o Larry Gubas (President and Acting Secretary) 8240 Bradley Road Las Vegas NV 89131 USA John Scott (Treasurer, Editor) <john.t.scott@...> 4507 Mountain Path Drive Austin TX 78759 USA North American dues are $US 40 per year and include two issues of Zeiss Historica, the Society's journal, and an annual bonus, generally a reprint of a Zeiss publication. Dues for members outside North America are $US 50 per year. Credit card payments are welcome. For more information, see the three websites listed under MEMBER WEB PAGES. Either of the above two people can handle enquiries from interested parties. --- OFFICIAL ZICG WEB PAGE The official ZICG web site is: It was created by Thomas Myro. It is well out of date but has some archives from 1997 on it. Nobody has used the classified section for some time now. It is a private web page, not a collectively produced one. Passwords are: CONTAPROX for the archives. PROXAR for the classifieds. Both in uppercase letters. WARNING: Thomas's web page has out of date subscription details, it still refers to the Coollist mailing list. That mailing list no longer exists. Please only ever refer to the Yahoo! web page for subscription information. Sometime in the future it would be great to develop a website made up of contributions from all members of ZICG. This may be something that could be developed through Yahoo's service or via a member with web space to donate. --- MAIL SETTINGS FOR ZICG Discussion is for members Unmoderated Email attachments are not permitted Replies go to all members of the group Subject tag: [ZICG] Membership approved by list administrator Language of automated messages: English --- MEMBER WEB PAGES The following is a list of web pages on Zeiss Ikon as created by ZICG members. If you would like your site to appear here please email me and I will add it. John A. Lind: There is a large variety of information here including Zeiss Ikon Contax, Rollei-35, Mamiya M645 and Olympus OM: Stephen Gandy's CameraQuest: Zeiss Historica Society Information (but not just about the ZHS): Do you have a website about Zeiss? Send me the address! --- OTHER RELATED MAILING LISTS To subscribe to the Rollei List: send to: <majordomo@...> no subject in the body of the message, type: subscribe rollei or: subscribe rollei-digest To subscribe to the Leica Users Group: send to: <majordomo@...> no subject in the body of the message, type: subscribe leica-users or, subscribe leica-users-digest For information about the Internet Directory of Camera Collectors (IDCC) then email <idcc-request@...> with the word "help" in the subject line. To subscribe to the Subminiature Photography Mailing List email <listserv@...> and type SUBSCRIBE SUBMINI-L followed by your real name - the "subject" is ignored --- END NOTES Any questions, do not hesitate to ask. Help build this FAQ by giving me feedback over this edition, or items to add to it. Hei konei ra, Michael Moffatt. |
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Re: Nettar 517/16, Novar 1:6.3 75mm Lens reformulated during production period
?When we look specific at Medium Format 6x6 folders and strictly postwar then there are indeed not many folders that focus by moving the whole lens. Some that I know of : Agfa Super Isolette (on my wish list) and its clone, the KMZ Iskra Balda Super Baldax Certo Six (on my wish list) There will be more of course but these are the better known ones. Best Regards, Hans
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