Hi Alex: Thanks for the response. What a wealth of info. Much appreciated.

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Hi: I'm John Reid and am located just north of Boston, MA. I was given an old Nikon F and that plus the internet led me to ZI cameras. I'm now the proud owner of three and trying to find out more about them. Is there a list of serial numbers in an old post??

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The struts for the base are not jointed and do not fold in the middle. They are curved and the only hinge is on the base are hooked to a pin/button and it slides through a slot in the strut when closing and opening the camera.
I am attaching a photo for you to see what I have. Sorry it took so long to get back to you.


Thanks
Kim

Hi Kim,



From your description I think that what you have is model 205, an ICA “Ideal”. It seems to be the only one that has all the features you describe, and if the struts that support the baseboard are straight, and jointed to fold in the middle, this will confirm it, as most small plate ICAs of this age have fairly elaborate, curved, struts that do not fold but simply slide away when the camera is closed.



If this is not the case, is there any way you can upload a picture and I’ll have another try.



Enjoy it anyway,

David



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To: ZICG@...
Subject: Re: [ZICG] Re: need help in finding out which camera I have





On the focusing there is no knob to slide the lens back and forth, I can only move the lens by sliding it using the silver bar across the lower front of the lens bracket area( for lack of better way to describe it).



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Sent: Mon, Oct 9, 2017 10:21 am
Subject: RE: [ZICG] Re: need help in finding out which camera I have



OK, having looked more carefully at the 1922 catalogue, if it’s purely a plate camera then it’s not likely to be a Lola, as this is shown as a dual purpose rollfilm/plate camera. Also there is not a Volta listed in this size. Is it a double extension camera, and if not, how does it focus, with a rack and pinion or a radial lever?



David



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Sent: 09 October 2017 14:43
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Thank you for responding. The leather has no markings I can find and the strap is so cracked and brittle you can't make anything out on it. I even tried putting a piece of paper over it and rubbing a pencil across the paper no luck.

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Hi Kim,

ICA cameras are usually identified by a two, three or four digit model number. If you can find such a number, stamped anywhere into the leather covering or the carrying strap, I may be able to help. The serial number suggests a manufacturing date of around 1921; a Lola should be marked 511, or a Volta 146.

Hope this helps,

David

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Zeiss Ikon Collectors Group (ZICG). List Information, version 2.4.0

Kia ora ZICG members,

This message will be posted every month to keep you informed about the Zeiss Ikon Collectors Group (ZICG). It will also be available anytime on the YahooGroups website . It contains important details about the mailing list and is sent to new subscribers.

---
CONTENTS:

- About Yahoogroups
- Posting to ZICG
- (Un)Subscribing
- Points of Reference
- Official ZICG Web Page
- Mail settings for ZICG
- Member Web Pages
- Other Mailing Lists
- End Notes

---

ABOUT Yahoogroups

Yahoogroups is a free mailing list service. You can set your own email distribution list by going to or see information about the ZICG mailing list at

If you are a member of Yahoo AND you are a member of ZICG, you can view the archive of emails online as well as change your personal settings (such as digest mode etc). You may also view the subscription list.

ZICG used to be listed with Coollist. Poor reliability and even poorer customer service saw ZICG move in May 2000 to eGroups. William Lurie organised with nine other members to keep ZICG ad-free and paid eGroups a fee to drop all advertisements from emails. ZICG became ad-free from November 5, 2000. EGroups became a possession of Yahoo in December, 2000. Hence ZICG became a Yahoo group.

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The ZICG list was set up for people who want to discuss anything Zeiss. ZICG is a collection of Zeiss authorities and enthusiasts brought together through the medium of email to share knowledge as friends. Anybody can be a member and nobody has ever been banned.

You cannot send attachments. If you want to share a file, put it on a website and post the URL to the list. Remember that .vcf files (vcards) are classified as attachments. As a member, you can upload photos and files to the ZICG archives with Yahoo and then send notification to the list.

Please do not post HTML or specially formatted messages to the list. If you can, turn off these options on your email program. Some ZICG members cannot read your message if you send it in those formats.

Sale or Wanted adverts are acceptable on ZICG. All adverts must be about Zeiss equipment. You can post them at any time as a dealer or collector. Please do not abuse this policy, regulations will be set if members become dissatisfied with excessive sale/wanted adverts from the same individuals. It is acceptable to send an auction URL as long as it maintains a relevance to discussion on ZICG.

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---
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The Zeiss Historica Society has disbanded. For any inquiries about this, try contacting:
John Scott (Treasurer, Editor) <john.t.scott@...>
4507 Mountain Path Drive
Austin TX 78759
USA
More about the disbanded Zeiss Historica Society:



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There is no external website for ZICG. Everything is contained within the Yahoo group page (). Many files have been shared (see the "Files" section) and the email archive is fully searchable.

An official ZICG web site used to exist at . It was created by Thomas Myro. It is well out of date but has some archives from 1997 on it. Nobody has used the classified section for some time now. It was a private web page, not a collectively produced one, which disappeared with the end of Geocities.

---
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MEMBER WEB PAGES

The following is a list of web pages on Zeiss Ikon as created by ZICG members. If you would like your site to appear here please email me and I will add it.

John A. Lind: There is a large variety of information here including Zeiss Ikon Contax, Rollei-35, Mamiya M645 and Olympus OM:
Stephen Gandy's CameraQuest:

Do you have a website about Zeiss? Send me the address!

---
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send to: <majordomo@...>
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For information about the Internet Directory of Camera Collectors (IDCC) then email <idcc-request@...> with the word "help" in the subject line.
To subscribe to the Subminiature Photography Mailing List email <listserv@...> and type
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Zeiss Ikon Collectors Group (ZICG). List Information, version 2.4.0

Kia ora ZICG members,

This message will be posted every month to keep you informed about the Zeiss Ikon Collectors Group (ZICG). It will also be available anytime on the YahooGroups website . It contains important details about the mailing list and is sent to new subscribers.

---
CONTENTS:

- About Yahoogroups
- Posting to ZICG
- (Un)Subscribing
- Points of Reference
- Official ZICG Web Page
- Mail settings for ZICG
- Member Web Pages
- Other Mailing Lists
- End Notes

---

ABOUT Yahoogroups

Yahoogroups is a free mailing list service. You can set your own email distribution list by going to or see information about the ZICG mailing list at

If you are a member of Yahoo AND you are a member of ZICG, you can view the archive of emails online as well as change your personal settings (such as digest mode etc). You may also view the subscription list.

ZICG used to be listed with Coollist. Poor reliability and even poorer customer service saw ZICG move in May 2000 to eGroups. William Lurie organised with nine other members to keep ZICG ad-free and paid eGroups a fee to drop all advertisements from emails. ZICG became ad-free from November 5, 2000. EGroups became a possession of Yahoo in December, 2000. Hence ZICG became a Yahoo group.

---
POSTING TO ZICG

The ZICG list was set up for people who want to discuss anything Zeiss. ZICG is a collection of Zeiss authorities and enthusiasts brought together through the medium of email to share knowledge as friends. Anybody can be a member and nobody has ever been banned.

You cannot send attachments. If you want to share a file, put it on a website and post the URL to the list. Remember that .vcf files (vcards) are classified as attachments. As a member, you can upload photos and files to the ZICG archives with Yahoo and then send notification to the list.

Please do not post HTML or specially formatted messages to the list. If you can, turn off these options on your email program. Some ZICG members cannot read your message if you send it in those formats.

Sale or Wanted adverts are acceptable on ZICG. All adverts must be about Zeiss equipment. You can post them at any time as a dealer or collector. Please do not abuse this policy, regulations will be set if members become dissatisfied with excessive sale/wanted adverts from the same individuals. It is acceptable to send an auction URL as long as it maintains a relevance to discussion on ZICG.

---
(UN)SUBSCRIBING

To subscribe, visit or email ZICG-subscribe@.... Once you have done this you will be emailed a message to the address you subscribed with. Follow the instructions in the email and your end of the enrolment process will be completed.

To unsubscribe send a blank message to: ZICG-unsubscribe@... or visit or (if you have difficulty) email <ZICG-owner@...>.

To post to ZICG, email your message to <zicg@...>

There are other commands available on this listserver. You must register with Yahoo before you can make use of them and then visit . When you register, you must use the email address that you are subscribed to ZICG with.

---
POINTS OF REFERENCE

Marc James Small has made available to ZICG List members an extremely detailed and up-to-date bibliography of Zeiss, Leica and Rollei literature. It is available by visiting:

The Zeiss Historica Society has disbanded. For any inquiries about this, try contacting:
John Scott (Treasurer, Editor) <john.t.scott@...>
4507 Mountain Path Drive
Austin TX 78759
USA
More about the disbanded Zeiss Historica Society:



---
OFFICIAL ZICG WEB PAGE

There is no external website for ZICG. Everything is contained within the Yahoo group page (). Many files have been shared (see the "Files" section) and the email archive is fully searchable.

An official ZICG web site used to exist at . It was created by Thomas Myro. It is well out of date but has some archives from 1997 on it. Nobody has used the classified section for some time now. It was a private web page, not a collectively produced one, which disappeared with the end of Geocities.

---
MAIL SETTINGS FOR ZICG

- Discussion is for members
- Unmoderated
- Email attachments are not permitted
- Replies go to all members of the group
- Subject tag: [ZICG]
- Membership approved by list administrator
- Language of automated messages: English

---
MEMBER WEB PAGES

The following is a list of web pages on Zeiss Ikon as created by ZICG members. If you would like your site to appear here please email me and I will add it.

John A. Lind: There is a large variety of information here including Zeiss Ikon Contax, Rollei-35, Mamiya M645 and Olympus OM:
Stephen Gandy's CameraQuest:

Do you have a website about Zeiss? Send me the address!

---
OTHER RELATED MAILING LISTS

To subscribe to the Rollei List:
send to: <majordomo@...>
no subject
in the body of the message, type:
subscribe rollei
or: subscribe rollei-digest

To subscribe to the Leica Users Group:
send to: <majordomo@...>
no subject
in the body of the message, type:
subscribe leica-users
or, subscribe leica-users-digest

For information about the Internet Directory of Camera Collectors (IDCC) then email <idcc-request@...> with the word "help" in the subject line.
To subscribe to the Subminiature Photography Mailing List email <listserv@...> and type
SUBSCRIBE SUBMINI-L
followed by your real name - the "subject" is ignored

---
END NOTES

Any questions, do not hesitate to ask. Help build this FAQ by giving me feedback over this edition, or items to add to it.

Hei konei ra,
Michael Moffatt.
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