Lee,

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Hi Lee, and welcome to the group. You will find us a friendly and very knowledgable bunch of Zeiss aficionados.
Maurice

Those of you who are currently members of the ZHS have recently received a copy of the society's journal (or will soon do so). From this you will have learned that the ZHS is terminating activities. This issue of the journal, identified as the Autumn 2016 number, is the last of a run of 38 annual volumes, and the society cannot exist without the journal. I retired as Editor a couple of years ago when I turned 80 and thought that15 years in the job was enough; Larry Gubas nobly took over then but now finds that his rapidly failing health makes it impossible for him to continue. Repeated calls for volunteers to help run the society have failed to produce results, so Larry and I decided to call an end to it.

As Treasurer my last job is to somehow eliminate the fairly substantial bank account in a manner appropriate for a not-for-profit society, when none of the reserves can accrue to me, to Larry, or anyone else involved in its management. I have decided to revert these funds in equal shares to the current members, i.e. those who received a copy of the August 2016 journal. Instructions about how to claim a share were included therein, and I urge these members to follow instructions and contact me. I am assuming that several weeks, or even months, will elapse before I have heard from everybody and can therefore calculate the value of a share and send out checks.

John


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John T. Scott
4507 Mountain Path Drive
Austin TX 78759 USA

(512) 241 0715
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Zeiss Ikon Collectors Group (ZICG). List Information, version 2.3.7

Kia ora ZICG members,

This message will be posted every month to keep you informed about the Zeiss Ikon Collectors Group (ZICG). It will also be available anytime on the YahooGroups website . It contains important details about the mailing list and is sent to new subscribers.

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CONTENTS:
- About Yahoogroups
- Posting to ZICG
- (Un)Subscribing
- Points of Reference
- Official ZICG Web Page
- Mail settings for ZICG
- Member Web Pages
- Other Mailing Lists
- End Notes
* = section updated
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ABOUT Yahoogroups

Yahoogroups is a free mailing list service. You can set your own email distribution list by going to or see information about the ZICG mailing list at

If you are a member of Yahoo AND you are a member of ZICG, you can view the archive of emails online as well as change your personal settings (such as digest mode etc). You may also view the subscription list.

ZICG used to be listed with Coollist. Poor reliability and even poorer customer service saw ZICG move in May 2000 to eGroups. William Lurie organised with nine other members to keep ZICG ad-free and paid eGroups a fee to drop all advertisements from emails. ZICG became ad-free from November 5, 2000. EGroups became a possession of Yahoo in December, 2000. Hence ZICG became a Yahoo group.

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POSTING TO ZICG

The ZICG list was set up for people who want to discuss anything Zeiss. ZICG is a collection of Zeiss authorities and enthusiasts brought together through the medium of email to share knowledge as friends. Anybody can be a member and nobody has ever been banned.

You cannot send attachments. If you want to share a file, put it on a website and post the URL to the list. Remember that .vcf files (vcards) are classified as attachments. As a member, you can upload photos and files to the ZICG archives with Yahoo and then send notification to the list.

Please do not post HTML or specially formatted messages to the list. If you can, turn off these options on your email program. Some ZICG members cannot read your message if you send it in those formats.

Sale or Wanted adverts are acceptable on ZICG. All adverts must be about Zeiss equipment. You can post them at any time as a dealer or collector. Please do not abuse this policy, regulations will be set if members become dissatisfied with excessive sale/wanted adverts from the same individuals. It is acceptable to send an auction URL as long as it maintains a relevance to discussion on ZICG.

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(UN)SUBSCRIBING
To subscribe, visit or email ZICG-subscribe@.... Once you have done this you will be emailed a message to the address you subscribed with. Follow the instructions in the email and your end of the enrolment process will be completed.

To unsubscribe send a blank message to: ZICG-unsubscribe@... or visit or (if you have difficulty) email <ZICG-owner@...>.

To post to ZICG, email your message to <zicg@...>

There are other commands available on this listserver. You must register with Yahoo before you can make use of them and then visit . When you register, you must use the email address that you are subscribed to ZICG with.

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POINTS OF REFERENCE
Marc James Small has made available to ZICG List members an extremely detailed and up-to-date bibliography of Zeiss, Leica and Rollei literature. It is available by visiting:

Zeiss Historica Society
c/o Larry Gubas (President and Acting Secretary)
8240 Bradley Road
Las Vegas
NV 89131
USA

John Scott (Treasurer, Editor) <john.t.scott@...>
4507 Mountain Path Drive
Austin TX 78759
USA

North American dues are $US 40 per year and include two issues of Zeiss Historica, the Society's journal, and an annual bonus, generally a reprint of a Zeiss publication. Dues for members outside North America are $US 50 per year. Credit card payments are welcome. For more information, see the three websites listed under MEMBER WEB PAGES. Either of the above two people can handle enquiries from interested parties.

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OFFICIAL ZICG WEB PAGE
The official ZICG web site is:

It was created by Thomas Myro. It is well out of date but has some archives from 1997 on it. Nobody has used the classified section for some time now. It is a private web page, not a collectively produced one.

Passwords are:
CONTAPROX for the archives.
PROXAR for the classifieds.

Both in uppercase letters.

WARNING: Thomas's web page has out of date subscription details, it still refers to the Coollist mailing list. That mailing list no longer exists. Please only ever refer to the Yahoo! web page for subscription information.

Sometime in the future it would be great to develop a website made up of contributions from all members of ZICG. This may be something that could be developed through Yahoo's service or via a member with web space to donate.

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MAIL SETTINGS FOR ZICG

Discussion is for members
Unmoderated
Email attachments are not permitted
Replies go to all members of the group
Subject tag: [ZICG]
Membership approved by list administrator
Language of automated messages: English

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MEMBER WEB PAGES
The following is a list of web pages on Zeiss Ikon as created by ZICG members. If you would like your site to appear here please email me and I will add it.

John A. Lind: There is a large variety of information here including Zeiss Ikon Contax, Rollei-35, Mamiya M645 and Olympus OM:
Stephen Gandy's CameraQuest:

Zeiss Historica Society Information (but not just about the ZHS):



Do you have a website about Zeiss? Send me the address!

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OTHER RELATED MAILING LISTS
To subscribe to the Rollei List:
send to: <majordomo@...>
no subject
in the body of the message, type:
subscribe rollei
or: subscribe rollei-digest

To subscribe to the Leica Users Group:
send to: <majordomo@...>
no subject
in the body of the message, type:
subscribe leica-users
or, subscribe leica-users-digest

For information about the Internet Directory of Camera Collectors (IDCC) then email <idcc-request@...> with the word "help" in the subject line.
To subscribe to the Subminiature Photography Mailing List email <listserv@...> and type
SUBSCRIBE SUBMINI-L
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END NOTES
Any questions, do not hesitate to ask. Help build this FAQ by giving me feedback over this edition, or items to add to it.

Hei konei ra,
Michael Moffatt.

Zeiss Ikon Collectors Group (ZICG). List Information, version 2.3.7

Kia ora ZICG members,

This message will be posted every month to keep you informed about the Zeiss Ikon Collectors Group (ZICG). It will also be available anytime on the YahooGroups website . It contains important details about the mailing list and is sent to new subscribers.

---
CONTENTS:
- About Yahoogroups
- Posting to ZICG
- (Un)Subscribing
- Points of Reference
- Official ZICG Web Page
- Mail settings for ZICG
- Member Web Pages
- Other Mailing Lists
- End Notes
* = section updated
---

ABOUT Yahoogroups

Yahoogroups is a free mailing list service. You can set your own email distribution list by going to or see information about the ZICG mailing list at

If you are a member of Yahoo AND you are a member of ZICG, you can view the archive of emails online as well as change your personal settings (such as digest mode etc). You may also view the subscription list.

ZICG used to be listed with Coollist. Poor reliability and even poorer customer service saw ZICG move in May 2000 to eGroups. William Lurie organised with nine other members to keep ZICG ad-free and paid eGroups a fee to drop all advertisements from emails. ZICG became ad-free from November 5, 2000. EGroups became a possession of Yahoo in December, 2000. Hence ZICG became a Yahoo group.

---
POSTING TO ZICG

The ZICG list was set up for people who want to discuss anything Zeiss. ZICG is a collection of Zeiss authorities and enthusiasts brought together through the medium of email to share knowledge as friends. Anybody can be a member and nobody has ever been banned.

You cannot send attachments. If you want to share a file, put it on a website and post the URL to the list. Remember that .vcf files (vcards) are classified as attachments. As a member, you can upload photos and files to the ZICG archives with Yahoo and then send notification to the list.

Please do not post HTML or specially formatted messages to the list. If you can, turn off these options on your email program. Some ZICG members cannot read your message if you send it in those formats.

Sale or Wanted adverts are acceptable on ZICG. All adverts must be about Zeiss equipment. You can post them at any time as a dealer or collector. Please do not abuse this policy, regulations will be set if members become dissatisfied with excessive sale/wanted adverts from the same individuals. It is acceptable to send an auction URL as long as it maintains a relevance to discussion on ZICG.

---
(UN)SUBSCRIBING
To subscribe, visit or email ZICG-subscribe@.... Once you have done this you will be emailed a message to the address you subscribed with. Follow the instructions in the email and your end of the enrolment process will be completed.

To unsubscribe send a blank message to: ZICG-unsubscribe@... or visit or (if you have difficulty) email <ZICG-owner@...>.

To post to ZICG, email your message to <zicg@...>

There are other commands available on this listserver. You must register with Yahoo before you can make use of them and then visit . When you register, you must use the email address that you are subscribed to ZICG with.

---
POINTS OF REFERENCE
Marc James Small has made available to ZICG List members an extremely detailed and up-to-date bibliography of Zeiss, Leica and Rollei literature. It is available by visiting:

Zeiss Historica Society
c/o Larry Gubas (President and Acting Secretary)
8240 Bradley Road
Las Vegas
NV 89131
USA

John Scott (Treasurer, Editor) <john.t.scott@...>
4507 Mountain Path Drive
Austin TX 78759
USA

North American dues are $US 40 per year and include two issues of Zeiss Historica, the Society's journal, and an annual bonus, generally a reprint of a Zeiss publication. Dues for members outside North America are $US 50 per year. Credit card payments are welcome. For more information, see the three websites listed under MEMBER WEB PAGES. Either of the above two people can handle enquiries from interested parties.

---
OFFICIAL ZICG WEB PAGE
The official ZICG web site is:

It was created by Thomas Myro. It is well out of date but has some archives from 1997 on it. Nobody has used the classified section for some time now. It is a private web page, not a collectively produced one.

Passwords are:
CONTAPROX for the archives.
PROXAR for the classifieds.

Both in uppercase letters.

WARNING: Thomas's web page has out of date subscription details, it still refers to the Coollist mailing list. That mailing list no longer exists. Please only ever refer to the Yahoo! web page for subscription information.

Sometime in the future it would be great to develop a website made up of contributions from all members of ZICG. This may be something that could be developed through Yahoo's service or via a member with web space to donate.

---
MAIL SETTINGS FOR ZICG

Discussion is for members
Unmoderated
Email attachments are not permitted
Replies go to all members of the group
Subject tag: [ZICG]
Membership approved by list administrator
Language of automated messages: English

---
MEMBER WEB PAGES
The following is a list of web pages on Zeiss Ikon as created by ZICG members. If you would like your site to appear here please email me and I will add it.

John A. Lind: There is a large variety of information here including Zeiss Ikon Contax, Rollei-35, Mamiya M645 and Olympus OM:
Stephen Gandy's CameraQuest:

Zeiss Historica Society Information (but not just about the ZHS):



Do you have a website about Zeiss? Send me the address!

---
OTHER RELATED MAILING LISTS
To subscribe to the Rollei List:
send to: <majordomo@...>
no subject
in the body of the message, type:
subscribe rollei
or: subscribe rollei-digest

To subscribe to the Leica Users Group:
send to: <majordomo@...>
no subject
in the body of the message, type:
subscribe leica-users
or, subscribe leica-users-digest

For information about the Internet Directory of Camera Collectors (IDCC) then email <idcc-request@...> with the word "help" in the subject line.
To subscribe to the Subminiature Photography Mailing List email <listserv@...> and type
SUBSCRIBE SUBMINI-L
followed by your real name - the "subject" is ignored

---
END NOTES
Any questions, do not hesitate to ask. Help build this FAQ by giving me feedback over this edition, or items to add to it.

Hei konei ra,
Michael Moffatt.

don't forget that the robot royal came in a 24 x 24 format (as well as an 18 x 24 format) version as well. so, maybe instead of an "apples to oranges" comparison, maybe we can call it a "golden delicious to a northern spy"

You may be comparing apples to oranges. The Robot Royals were full-frame, post-war cameras with modern, coated lenses. The Tenax II was 24 X 24 and pre-war. Most of its lenses were uncoated (although I own a coated 4cm Sonnar). Both cameras should be capable of taking excellent pictures.
??? What might be more important to ask is other characteristics. The Robot Royals are built like tanks. They are heavy. Not the sort of camera to slip in your pocket. The Tenax is compact and relatively light-weight. I can carry one around all day without finding it a burden. If you need the built-in, spring-wound motor, the Robot is the obvious way to go. If you don't need a motor, the Tenax II might be the better option.
??? The Robots might be less expensive. They might have more lens options. They might give better image quality due to the larger format, but if I wanted all those characteristics, I would just as soon use a Nikon. I like the Tenax for what it does offer: fast action, easy handling and excellent pictures taking. Hope this helps, WES

It will be a printed book¡ªI will probably go through BLURB. I need to determine number of pages and number in a first run. That will determine cost of each copy in the first run. Thanks for your interest. WES

Another example of the direct mount 180 f/2.8 has surfaced on ebay. Sadly with a price tag way out of reach for me. It hasn't stopped me admiring the photos of it though. FYI.