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Re: Operating in Z scale

 

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I agree with most of your observations but I have to take exception to describing non-operations as "just watching trains go around the layout".
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Every weekend in Tomball, Texas we host at least 100 or more folks who come to see what we have done with Mister Dave's beautiful z scale layout that he has built over the past 20+ years and we constantly upgrade it with lighting, new track and animations.? It is very rewarding and satisfying to hear so many people - young and old alike - admire what we have done and look forward to more.? Few, if any of them desire anything more than to see the trains go around and those of us who make them go around for hours on end know that it takes no small effort to keep them running.
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We have seen awareness and appreciation of z scale grow in our area just?by running the trains regularly and well.? ?I think this non operations approach may be a very effective way to grow the z scale popularity.
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Re: Operating in Z scale

 

I love operations. I run Z and G scales.

That said, coupling itself is a nightmare in Z, and uncoupling (on purpose) even worse.

It would take a lot of maintenance to do operations with arbitrary rolling stock in my opinion.

That is, for you to have fun, and concentrate on operations, not fixing cars, and doing stuff manually.

Perhaps operations would be defined as manual uncoupling, but not everyone will have a steady enough hand to manually uncouple cars.

My (unfortunate) opinion.

Greg


Operating in Z scale

 

I would like to start a discussion about operating in Z scale. If you have ever attended an NMRA national convention (I have), you have probably noticed that one of the recurring topics is operations, that is, simulating pick up and delivery of freight the way 1:1 RRs do it.? This involves dropping off and picking up rolling stock at various industries, putting together consists, etc. The alternative to operating is just watching trains go around the layout, which accounts for the popularity of operations.

What about Z scale operations?? For some time early-on Marklin couplers were a standard.? They were ugly, but coupling and uncoupling (C&U) were fairly easy although I admit I have little experience with them.? Micro-Trains Line (MTL) magnematic couplers were a great improvement.? They look realistic and C&U can be done remotely and reliably.? The current alternative to MTL couplers is AZL "autolatch" couplers, which it should be said often do not "autolatch".? And getting the AZL couplers to uncouple is a pain.? People I've talked to who do operations in Z scale have all converted AZL rolling stock to MTL couplers or just run MTL rolling stock.? So, if there is a solution to the operating problem in Z scale, what's preventing a solution?

The problem is that changing couplers is a pain, expensive and time consuming.? Another part of the problem is that MTL is getting out of Z scale, converting to N scale exclusively.? It has been more than a decade since MTL released a new Z scale body style and is now doing almost no Z scale releases.? I hope that they will continue to sell Z scale couplers but there is no guarantee.? I think that AZL would have preferred to use MTL couplers on their rolling stock and locomotives, but MTL forbade it, rightly fearing AZL competition.? Why doesn't AZL produce its own magnematic couplers since the patents must have run out a long time ago?? A very good question that only AZL could answer.? An abject failure on their part.?

Why am I concerned?? I would like to see Z scale grow in popularity the way N scale has grown.? I believe Z scale will not grow much in popularity until the C&U problem is solved.? Does anyone have statistics about Z scale growth versus N scale?? If so, let's examine them.? I have tried to have this conversation with Rob Kluz of AZL, but his mind is closed and he absolutely refuses to address these issues.?

Malcolm Cleaveland
MCZ Models


Re: The Mid State Bank Kit

 

If you happen to be into sci-fi, next time try the show "Eureka".? :-)

Thanks Sandra! ?I too enjoy the show ¡°Eureka¡±. ?Fun and fascinating show. ?And you can string them together for those long model building sessions. ?:-)


Looks great!
Tom K.

Thanks Tom!


Jim Schulz


ARCHISTORIES Olive House

 

Hi Everyone

Today¡¯s Z scale model is what looks like a farm house.? It¡¯s by ARCHISTORIES, simply called the Olive House (#ARC-404201).? Olive for its color.? I believe it comes in several color choices.? While building, the movie of choice is the infamous ¡°African Queen¡± by John Huston, starring Katherine Hepburn and Humphrey Bogart.? It was a hot day here in Colorado, so the sultry hot environs of the African Queen seemed appropriate.



This kit is made of rigid cardboard and comes completely painted.? I was blown away at the quality of all the tiny (and I mean TINY) cardboard components.? I used an X-Acto blade to remove the pieces from its spurs.? Are they still called spurs if it¡¯s all cardboard?? Basically I just followed the instructions.

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I¡¯ve never built a cardboard kit before, in any scale.? I proceeded with a bit of caution and trepidation, but found that these feelings were unwarranted. Assembled everything using Aleene¡¯s tacky glue, sparingly.? The only thing that was not cardboard were the acetate window glazing, which were all cut to size.

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Assembling this kit was a joy.? Every piece went together perfectly.? The pieces went together as modules.? This gives the benefit of letting you choose how to fit together the final modules.? The same kit can be assembled in several ways.? For example, the wrap around porch can be fitted in different positions around the main structure.

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Then, when you¡¯re all done, there¡¯s no painting required!? Boom, finished!? I am now a fan of cardboard structure kits.? I give ARCHISTORIES¡¯ Olive House a ten out of ten.? Not just for its amazing precision, but also for the pre-painted colors that make this structure pop, but not overly pop.? It¡¯s spot on.

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As the final sections were drying, I imagined Charlie and Rosie reaching the shoreline and moving into their Olive House, smiling ear to ear, happy, on my Z scale layout.

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Cheers!

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Jim Schulz

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Re: Actitec¡¯s Bulldozer

 

Yes, the Dutch company Artitec is a very good one in our market. And if you look at their products, I am sure you'll find enough to 'jump over the hurdle' of 250€ for getting free shiping. Maybe some of you put together for it. (Living in their neighbouring country, I am out...)



You don't need to look for "trains", there are nothing in 1:220.

Best wishes from DE
Arnim


Am 15.06.24 um 21:04 schrieb Jim Schulz via groups.io:

I was browsing the Reynold¡¯s Euro Imports website and found this finished bulldozer by Artitec and was curious of its qualit


Re: The Mid State Bank Kit

 

Thank you, Jim, for the photos and review of both the bank and bulldozer.? They both look amazing!? I also love to watch movies while I work on projects.? Goonies was a great choice!? If you happen to be into sci-fi, next time try the show "Eureka".? :-)

Being new to z-scale myself, I feel that is a great price for a bulldozer of that great quality.? I'll definitely have to look into that brand when I get back to trying to build my suitcase layout.


Sandra Bejster
Dearborn, MI


Re: Actitec¡¯s Bulldozer

 

Yup. Have quite a lot of there items. The only problem is the sell out FAST!
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Jeff
NorCal Z (Sacramento)
¡¯San Francisco Bay Area Z¡¯
a.k.a. 'The BAZ BoyZ'


Actitec¡¯s Bulldozer

 

Hi Everyone

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I must confess.? The world of Z scale is new to me.? I come from On30 and Sn3, hence, by comparison, Z scale is really REALLY tiny.? It¡¯s cracking me up, but I¡¯m very much enjoying Z scale thus far.

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I was browsing the Reynold¡¯s Euro Imports website and found this finished bulldozer by Artitec and was curious of its quality.? Received it today and oh my goodness, I am amazed.? It¡¯s so tiny that it fits on the very tip of my pinky.? Yet it¡¯s very nicely detailed, and has a figure in the driver¡¯s seat.

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It comes in a small box (of course), and labeled as #322.040, ¡°Hanomag K5 Laderaupe open¡±.? I think Laderaupe means bucket loader, but I¡¯m not sure about that.? It comes tied down to a piece of cardboard, and costs $32 USD (assembled and painted).




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I might pick up some bicycles next.

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Cheers!

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Jim Schulz


Re: The Mid State Bank Kit

 

Looks great!
Tom K.


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Tom K.


The Mid State Bank Kit

 

Hi Everyone

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Yesterday I completed a kit from Micro Structures and wanted to share my results. ?It¡¯s a fun kit to build and I was able to assemble and paint it in just one day. ?I imagine it would have come out better if more time was granted, but I was watching Eastwood¡¯s The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, and I was on a roll.

This is a brass etched kit in Z scale of the Mid State Bank.? It represents a bank on a street corner. ?Now the villains on my layout have something new to rob. ?The kit comes with one page of written instructions, and one page of isometric drawings. ?I mostly just followed the drawings for reference. ?The etched brass pieces are very clean and come off their spurs easily with small rail nippers. ?I used a small file to cleanly remove any excess material.

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Per the instructions, I used a small pair of long needle nose pliers (smooth jaws) to make the brass bends. ?All painting was done with a small flat brush using acrylic paints. ?The instructions recommend air brushing, but I was too lazy to do that. ?I enjoy hand painting.

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Painted the windows titanium white, the mortar with burnt umbra, the roof bone black, and the rest of the building in titan buff. ?The mortar was painted roughly and excess removed with a paper towel. ?The stone brick were lightly covered with a flat brush. ?It all came out to my liking.

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The instructions suggests using crazy glue for assembly, but I had run out and was having too much fun watching Eastwood blowing up a bridge with Duco. ?Hence, I used 5 minute epoxy. ? Worked great.




Here¡¯s a photo of the completed kit taken yesterday. ?Initially, I had reservations with building a brass kit, but once into it, it was a lot of fun to build. ?I think that airbrushing might have yielded better results, but for a hand painting, I thought it came out pretty well.? Also, if I had air brushed it, would it not have covered the brick mortar lines?? Thoughts?

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I recommend this kit and give it two thumbs up.

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Cheers!

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Jim Schulz

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PS¡­ it doesn¡¯t actually take a whole day to complete this kit.? It took one movie of ¡°The Good, the Bad, and the ugly¡± (it¡¯s a long movie), and one movie of ¡°The Goonies¡±, to complete this kit.? Ya gotta love the classics!


Re: Switch machines for Atlas Z #6

 

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Jack,

IMHO the best switch machines on the market ¨C any scale - are those made by MTB in the Czech Republic, available in the USA through Model Railroad Control Systems ( ) These are fully enclosed low-profile motorized geared machines with auxiliary contacts and are a ?¡± (MP1) to ?¡± (MP10) deep. I have 34 of these switch machines on my Nn3 layout, including on two Atlas Z turnouts (in photo ¨C excuse the upended cheap trees in the creek). They are particularly useful for portable and modular layouts with limited benchwork depth. (My layout benchwork is 1-1/2¡± thick.) The throw is adjustable. Although they come with a rod for use with turnouts, I use 1/16¡± brass tube in the machine with an insert of .010¡± piano wire dropped down through the turnout throwbar from the top and with the top of the piano wire bent over and hammered down similar to track spikes. (Most of my turnouts are Fast Tracks and the wire is through a hole in the middle of the throwbar.) This wire ¡°floats¡± in the brass tube and I can adjust the tension on the wire by slacking off the screws on the end of the switch machine and sliding the brass tube up and down. I covered the installation of these machines in my series on building my narrow-gauge Pacific Coast Railway layout in N Scale Magazine. I am preparing to install another of these to operate a Peter Wright Nn3 turnout in a module I use as a portable layout for local train shows. ?

Tom K.

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Tom K.


Re: Rokuhan X layout without a flyover

 

I made a flat figure 8 layout with a 90 degree crossing, to break in locos, and with large curves

(the figure 8 equalizes right and left hand wear)



Greg


Re: Rokuhan X layout without a flyover

 
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Likely. But grade(s) create longer routes (remember your geometry triangles?). Add 1 or 2 of the short straights 2 each loop (1 in 1 loop and 1 in the other loop [mirror opposite to keep the geometry) I think.
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You will get FAR more responses on TrainBoard

And AZL forums.
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Jeff Z 1:220

On Mar 25, 2024, at 8:46?AM, jacklr1 via groups.io <el1921@...> wrote:

Can you make a Rokuhan X layout without a flyover using a R025 and 220mm radius curved track for a test layout?? I tried using the SCRAM software, no luck. Current length straight track leaves a gap at the crossover.

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Jeff
NorCal Z (Sacramento)
¡¯San Francisco Bay Area Z¡¯
a.k.a. 'The BAZ BoyZ'


Rokuhan X layout without a flyover

 

Can you make a Rokuhan X layout without a flyover using a R025 and 220mm radius curved track for a test layout?? I tried using the SCRAM software, no luck. Current length straight track leaves a gap at the crossover.


Re: Switch machines for Atlas Z #6

 

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I should have added, all of my turnouts up to now are Peter Wrights. He had the 'throw bar' between the rails, so it was CRITICAL to get the little wire sticking up to not be too high. The Atlas turnouts have the throw outside the rails, so the height can be a little looser and camouflaged so as to hide the wire and the bar.

I, too, foresee a bunch in my future as I have 2 modules planned with a metric shitton of turnouts

John Duino
jduino@...



---- On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 14:18:01 -0400 David Mummery <d_mummery@...> wrote ---

Thanks John, I see lots of these in the future for the traction layouts and reasonably priced at $25 a set.

Dave Mummery

??Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
Matthew 6;34

On Mar 24, 2024 12:26 PM, John Duino <jduino@...> wrote:
Are you running DC or DCC?

On DCC, I use Tam valley Depot micro singlets and his Micro Servo Turnout Machine.?
For DC you could use the Octopus. Not bulky at all, and overall fairly inexpensive.
You can easily adjust total throw and throw speed. Just take your time setting the wire length (it'll be shortest when the switch it thrown one way or the other; it will pop up during transition.
I know Robert Ray installed Tortoise machines horizontally just recently on some t-track-z modules.

John Duino



---- On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 10:50:06 -0400 jacklr1 via groups.io <el1921=[email protected]> wrote ---

Other than Tortoise switch? machine, what will work with the Atlas #6 turnouts and not be so balky. This is? a new 30 x 48 inch layout. Still want to be able to take to shows and minimize potential damage. Thanks









Re: Switch machines for Atlas Z #6

 

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Thanks John, I see lots of these in the future for the traction layouts and reasonably priced at $25 a set.

Dave Mummery

??Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
Matthew 6;34

On Mar 24, 2024 12:26 PM, John Duino <jduino@...> wrote:
Are you running DC or DCC?

On DCC, I use Tam valley Depot micro singlets and his Micro Servo Turnout Machine.?
For DC you could use the Octopus. Not bulky at all, and overall fairly inexpensive.
You can easily adjust total throw and throw speed. Just take your time setting the wire length (it'll be shortest when the switch it thrown one way or the other; it will pop up during transition.
I know Robert Ray installed Tortoise machines horizontally just recently on some t-track-z modules.

John Duino
jduino@...



---- On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 10:50:06 -0400 jacklr1 via groups.io <el1921@...> wrote ---

Other than Tortoise switch? machine, what will work with the Atlas #6 turnouts and not be so balky. This is? a new 30 x 48 inch layout. Still want to be able to take to shows and minimize potential damage. Thanks






Re: Switch machines for Atlas Z #6

 

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Are you running DC or DCC?

On DCC, I use Tam valley Depot micro singlets and his Micro Servo Turnout Machine.?
For DC you could use the Octopus. Not bulky at all, and overall fairly inexpensive.
You can easily adjust total throw and throw speed. Just take your time setting the wire length (it'll be shortest when the switch it thrown one way or the other; it will pop up during transition.
I know Robert Ray installed Tortoise machines horizontally just recently on some t-track-z modules.

John Duino
jduino@...



---- On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 10:50:06 -0400 jacklr1 via groups.io <el1921@...> wrote ---

Other than Tortoise switch? machine, what will work with the Atlas #6 turnouts and not be so balky. This is? a new 30 x 48 inch layout. Still want to be able to take to shows and minimize potential damage. Thanks





Switch machines for Atlas Z #6

 

Other than Tortoise switch? machine, what will work with the Atlas #6 turnouts and not be so balky. This is? a new 30 x 48 inch layout. Still want to be able to take to shows and minimize potential damage. Thanks


Re: Setting up at Boulder Model Railroad and Mineral show this weekend in Longmont CO

 

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Thomas,

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this layout is NOT Zm. I have sold my complete Zm-stuff to Stammtisch Untereschbach a few months ago.

The Zm-layout will be shown next May in Altenbeken.

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Harald

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