Joseph Yates, a ship’s carpenter, b. 1750, who married Sarah Atmar
开云体育Joseph Yates, a ship’s carpenter, b. 1750, who married Sarah Atmar ? February 2023 ? Yates data (I’m a ‘Yates’ too. ? ? I’m descended from 2 of the 3 brothers, both on my dad’s side…Joseph, who was married to Sarah Atmar, and Joseph’s brother, Samuel, who was married to Deborah Clark of Bermuda…Seth was the other Yates brother. ? Joseph had 2 confirmed sons: Jeremiah Atmar Yates (from whom I’m descended) and Joseph Yates who was married to Elizabeth Ann Saylor. Joseph and Elizabeth had a son by the name of William Black Yates who supposedly went to school in Scotland as a boy. ? I’ve never been able to locate records of their parents in Bermuda, even via the Bermuda archives. The possibility historical hurricanes in the Caribbean having destroyed possible records is one unfortunate variable, but because of William having been sent to Scotland to attend school away from his parents in SC while so young has often made me wonder if he was sent to stay with a Yates relative there. ? Of course, there’s always the possibility that he may have gone to stay with a Scot relative from his maternal side instead, but it’s a dangling wonder that I’ve never been able to press further into. ? 13 April 13, 2023 ? Leigh joined the cousin study on a collaborative basis to ascertain if progress could be made as to the parentage of her ancestor Joseph Yates b. 1750 who married Sarah Atmar. ? Your results have caused me to dive at things differently.? About 75% of the folks in the study show their Most Distant ancestors derive from the Richard Yates b 1440 Berkshire, England. ? You have the distinction of showing that 90% of your cousin-matches descend from Richard’s line.? From Richard we soon see a two-line split but all of them are present.? Here is more about Richard:? ? Richard Yates was born in 1440 in Charney Bassett, Berkshire, England; died on 12 Mar 1498. Richard married Joan Ashendon in 1489. Joan was born in 1445; died in 1499. Children: 2. Edmund Yates, of Standlake 3. John Yates, Esq was born in 1471 in Charney Bassett, Berkshire, England; died in 1544 in Lyford, Oxfordshire, England. 4. Margaret Yates 5. Maude Yates ? This takes trudging through a lot of data.? The additional approach of looking at the data tries to point to specific lines to provide a more granular view.? On this basis, your cousin matches hit on 15 different and unduplicated lines. ? Two lines, however, show seven hits that share a common ancestor; so, looking at odds, it would seem very possible that Joseph Yates b 1750 (who marries Sarah Atmar) and his brothers would descend from this line.?? Although not confirmation I think we can use this as a guidepost as we further search. ? Another touchpoint is that also in this study, my closest paternal Yates cousin (confirmed 111-YDNA genetic distance of 2) shows that one of his cousin-matches descend from Joseph Yates, b 1750 as well.? He is in southeastern New Jersey and that group have a long line of watermen. |
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Ron,
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Joseph Yates' lineage from hints seems to stop at a possible father also a Joseph Yates. And attached is a note from just a few days ago that John Rogers doesn't belong in the picture. (I've put him in and taken him out a couple of times (just for "completeness"). I think I'll keep him out, for now anyway!). I think DNA is our only way forward. Your autosomal results indicate the line is related to us (if I understand your messages correctly). If the Y-DNA can be traced down to living males, I wonder if their Y-DNA will match ours? (Not sure if that has been done, but I think not). Does Leigh know of any living Yates males who could Y-DNA test? John On 4/16/23 3:01 PM, Ron Yates wrote: Leigh, John Yates and I are very interested in this person's older |
开云体育Leigh will we along shortly to help us get on the right track, her records seem to maintain that there was a marriage but understand the conflict.? We need to confirm that Leigh was able to acquire the records created by “Joseph Yates And Some Of His Descendants” By A. S. Salley, Jr. ??They were in the Adlai Robin Yates collection at Clemson.? If she did not get them, I will to determine if we can harvest any details. ? For now, as a guidepost, we know there is a DNA connection between the Yates lines: ? ? Seven of Leigh’s Yates DNA matches appear to descend from Tattersall-Wells-Warfield-Guiney-Tapp in this list just below: ? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John H. Yates ? Ron,
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I don't see Joseph Yates in your attachment. I found him by browsing the full one-name tree, but stopped there. I saw the SAR application there. I had run into it earlier today in working on Joseph's tree. The information is sketchy, and one cannot depend on accuracy. Many SAR lineages have notes attached that they have to be proven to be accepted, even though they did accept them at one time. I just went to sar.org and looked. Well, I was a registrar for a local chapter for 2 years, and they keep hiding things under secret shells, and then moving the shells around constantly. I couldn't even see where to type in the patriot number any more. Perhaps they took it completely off line. They want to be as unhelpful as they can. I actually stopped paying dues and have nothing to do with them any more over a submission I made for a friend, which was REJECTED, (my 15th after 14 successful!) after another chapter member was granted a supplemental to that patriot only months before! My friend was out $150 for what was a "sure thing" only months earlier. Very poor judgment! Anyway, I just went over to DAR.org, which is much better, was much more accurate, at least in the past, and reliably the same so you can find things easily. I found our Joseph Yates immediately. A trick I learned is that when you get to a list of apps that you can purchase, just click on one as if you are going to purchase it, and then a link will appear "lineage". Click on it and you will see the lineage. They do that so you aren't surprised should you purchase it. And then you can back out and not continue with the purchase. Attached are some results I just got for Joseph Yates. It has his DAR number A129441. Clicking on his number gives a list of lineages accepted for him. And then I clicked on one of the lineages and screen captured the lineage given for it. I see there is a NARA roll number which proves his service. I'll have a look in Fold3 if I remember. John On 4/16/23 5:12 PM, Ron Yates wrote: Leigh will we along shortly to help us get on the right track, her |
开云体育Yep, understand; the attachment does NOT show Joseph’s line.? I know it is difficult to keep in mind, what I was showing was the seven DNA lines that DO match to Leigh.? From there, we try to infer the best we can which of the Yates lines Joseph and therefore Leigh might descend from… ? My inference is that Joseph and Leigh, based on the unmasked frequency of 7 out of 20, may very well descend from Tattersall-Wells-Warfield-Guiney-Tapp line.? Just a guidepost, not proof. ? Ron ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John H. Yates
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2023 6:13 PM To: [email protected] Cc: john.yates@... Subject: Re: [yates-one-name-study] Joseph Yates, a ship’s carpenter, b. 1750, who married Sarah Atmar ? Ron,
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开云体育Completely understandable, I also must look at the data and ask myself what this stuff tells me…lol ? I have attached your file to Joseph in our master on-line genealogy program available at this link: ? ? This on-line program is part of the hosting and preservation program of the Guild.? It means that whatever we save and upload to it will be there for all access as long as the Guild exists. ? I plan to do a Beta Test on possibly hosting many trees with the on-line program.? The advantage is the preservation aspect but also leaves it under your control versus hoping your tree will be around after you die at the whim of a retail company such as Ancestry, Heritage, Geni, etc.? Although technically capable of hosting many GEDCOMs I need to understand how it might feel to have that many and what you as the user can do.? That’s why we are doing a Beta test.? I have asked someone to be the Beta user; whenever I get agreement and start the test, I will alert everyone about the test so you can give it a spin as well.? What you may not realize is we have three GEDCOM’s on the system already. ? If you already know you would be interested in having a GEDCOM uploaded for access and safekeeping, let me know. ? Regards, Ron Yates ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John H. Yates
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 11:08 AM To: [email protected] Cc: john.yates@... Subject: Re: [yates-one-name-study] Joseph Yates, a ship’s carpenter, b. 1750, who married Sarah Atmar ? Ron,
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