Who was the first Yates isn't known; very likely there were lots of him. For the name Yates is identical with that of Gates, and those who first bore the name were so called because they lived at or near the town or village gates. historians say The old provincialism for gate was yate. Our Yates, once written "atte Yate" (at the gate).

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The following names were found on the very oldest English records: "John atte Yate" (Calendarium Inqnisitionum Post Mortem), "John At-Yates" (History of Norfolk-Brometield), "Henry atte Yate" (Writ's of Parliament), and, "Roger atte Vate" (Polls of Parliament). While we may be of the Jutes or the Goths, the probabilities are all in favor that we originally were just peaceful dwellers by the village gate or hedge.

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Joseph Yates, a ship’s carpenter, b. 1750, who married Sarah Atmar

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February 2023

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Yates data (I’m a ‘Yates’ too. ?

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I’m descended from 2 of the 3 brothers, both on my dad’s side…Joseph, who was married to Sarah Atmar, and Joseph’s brother, Samuel, who was married to Deborah Clark of Bermuda…Seth was the other Yates brother.

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Joseph had 2 confirmed sons: Jeremiah Atmar Yates (from whom I’m descended) and Joseph Yates who was married to Elizabeth Ann Saylor. Joseph and Elizabeth had a son by the name of William Black Yates who supposedly went to school in Scotland as a boy.

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I’ve never been able to locate records of their parents in Bermuda, even via the Bermuda archives. The possibility historical hurricanes in the Caribbean having destroyed possible records is one unfortunate variable, but because of William having been sent to Scotland to attend school away from his parents in SC while so young has often made me wonder if he was sent to stay with a Yates relative there.

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Of course, there’s always the possibility that he may have gone to stay with a Scot relative from his maternal side instead, but it’s a dangling wonder that I’ve never been able to press further into.

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Leigh joined the cousin study on a collaborative basis to ascertain if progress could be made as to the parentage of her ancestor Joseph Yates b. 1750 who married Sarah Atmar.

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Your results have caused me to dive at things differently.? About 75% of the folks in the study show their Most Distant ancestors derive from the Richard Yates b 1440 Berkshire, England.

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You have the distinction of showing that 90% of your cousin-matches descend from Richard’s line.? From Richard we soon see a two-line split but all of them are present.? Here is more about Richard:?

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Richard Yates was born in 1440 in Charney Bassett, Berkshire, England; died on 12 Mar 1498. Richard married Joan Ashendon in 1489. Joan was born in 1445; died in 1499. Children: 2. Edmund Yates, of Standlake 3. John Yates, Esq was born in 1471 in Charney Bassett, Berkshire, England; died in 1544 in Lyford, Oxfordshire, England. 4. Margaret Yates 5. Maude Yates

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This takes trudging through a lot of data.? The additional approach of looking at the data tries to point to specific lines to provide a more granular view.? On this basis, your cousin matches hit on 15 different and unduplicated lines.

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Two lines, however, show seven hits that share a common ancestor; so, looking at odds, it would seem very possible that Joseph Yates b 1750 (who marries Sarah Atmar) and his brothers would descend from this line.?? Although not confirmation I think we can use this as a guidepost as we further search.

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Another touchpoint is that also in this study, my closest paternal Yates cousin (confirmed 111-YDNA genetic distance of 2) shows that one of his cousin-matches descend from Joseph Yates, b 1750 as well.? He is in southeastern New Jersey and that group have a long line of watermen.

Samuel Roberts Yates 1862-1923

16 March 2023

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Hi Ronald. I am the daughter of John Haskins Yates (1897 – 1962). My paternal grandfather is Samuel Robert Yates,(1862-1923) and my paternal great grandfather is John Milton Yates. I have been trying to determine who my great, great grandfather is.

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I see you have him in your tree as John Yates, married to Therissa Magdallen Newton (1824-1899). Others have my great, great grandfather listed as Michael Yates who married Rachel Briggs. Is there any documentation that has John Milton Yates birth family on it? I have searched and searched.

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Also, I don’t see you showing up as a DNA match. have you taken the DNA test? And if so, where? We should be matching as cousins, right? Thanks a bunch! Cheryl XXX (born Yates)

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16 March 2023

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Hello Cheryl,

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I am conducting a study now based on Yates cousins and suggested ancestral lines to advance beyond the brick-walls.. It is based on the theory that if many of my Yates cousins are connected to an ancestral line then it suggests that I may be too.? Here are more details how I am doing this…?

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Michael Wayne XXX is a Yates cousin sharing 22 cM’s through one of my Yates cousins: a link to Mike data.

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Glenn Leroy XXX is my Yates cousin: here is how he and I connect:

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I am telling you this because Michael’s ancestral line flows through John Yates and Newton.? This is abbreviated but this is the line:

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I47549RichardAshendon1440+JohnHyde1471+ThomasWhyte1509+FrancisTichborne1541+ThomasStephens1570+JohnTattersall1612+GeorgeWells1639+GeorgeWarfield1674+GeorgeGuiney1693+GeorgeLewis1727+JohnGaines1750+JohnMitchell1775+JohnNewton1820+JohnCox1849+SarahYatesBowles1872+ClintonBowling1897+AgnesBowlesGrissom1921+Mike1947

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If you study the details, you could replicate the process; I also would be pleased to take a look at your matches. I hope this helps.? Regards, Ron

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16 March 2023

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Cheryl, remember these are the ancestral lines of your Yates DNA cousins; doesn’t it make sense that if several of your cousins have specific Yates ancestors and you are their DNA cousin then wouldn’t it suggest that you also could-likely are DNA related to the same ancestors.

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I quickly looked at about 15 of your Yates matches and pulled out their ancestral lines; your job is to identify those cousins who may share the same ancestral lines.? This is not foolproof but does give you a guidepost to further your research for your older ancestors which I understand is your interest.

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This approach has been transformative for our group of cousin researchers.

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I hope this helps just a little bit.? With kind regards, Ron Yates

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Sarah Yates was born in 1775 in Culpepper, Virginia (daughter of John Yates and Elizabeth Betsey Gaines); died in 1834 in Adair, Kentucky. Sarah married Peter Estes on 26 May 1792 in Culpepper, Virginia. Peter (son of John Estes and Mary Marshall) was born on 5 Sep 1771 in Caroline, Virginia; died in 1838 in Bridgeport, Adair, Kentucky. Children: John Yates Estes was born in 1793 in Culpepper, Virginia; died on 7 Apr 1855 in Adair, Kentucky. Mary

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Martin Yates, Jr. was born in 1700 in St. Mary’s, Maryland (son of Martin Yates, Sr. and Elizabeth Dabridgecourt); died in 1776 in St. Mary’s, Maryland. Martin married Anna Maria French in 1725 in Maryland. Anna was born in 1702 in Maryland. Children: Edward Yates was born in 1729 in St. Mary’s, Maryland; died on 9 Nov 1809. Martin Yates was born in 1735 in St. Mary’s, Maryland; died on 11 May 1803 in St. Mary’s, Maryland.

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Isaac John Yates was born in 1852 in Henderson, Kentucky (son of George Washington Yates and Priscilla Durham); died in 1916. Isaac married Annie Marie Shelton on 24 Apr 1872 in Webster, Kentucky. Annie (daughter of George Bailey Shelton) was born on 10 Jul 1855; died on 27 Jan 1940. Children: Uriel Bailey Yates was born on 19 Sep 1874; died on 12 Sep 1934. Dillie Bell Yates was born on 2 Jan 1877; died on 18 Jun 1962. Issac Finley Yates was born

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John Yates was born on 2 Jul 1750 in Caroline, Virginia (son of George Yates, 4th and Frances Fielding Lewis); died on 4 Jul 1823 in Adair, Kentucky. John married Elizabeth Betsey Gaines in 1772 in Culpepper, Virginia. Elizabeth (daughter of Francis Gaines and Dorothy Boswell) was born in 1757 in Caroline, Virginia; died in 1820 in Adair, Kentucky. Children: George Woodford Yates, Sr. was born on 2 Jul 1773 in Culpepper, Virginia; died in 1835 in

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John Yates was born on 2 Jul 1750 in Caroline, Virginia (son of George Yates, 4th and Frances Fielding Lewis); died on 4 Jul 1823 in Adair, Kentucky. John married Elizabeth Betsey Gaines in 1772 in Culpepper, Virginia. Elizabeth (daughter of Francis Gaines and Dorothy Boswell) was born in 1757 in Caroline, Virginia; died in 1820 in Adair, Kentucky. Children: George Woodford Yates, Sr. was born on 2 Jul 1773 in Culpepper, Virginia; died in 1835 in

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Martha L. Yates was born in 1759 in Caroline, Virginia (daughter of Michael Yates, MD and Martha Patsy Marshall); died in 1820 in Kentucky. Martha married William Marshall Estes in 1778 in Culpepper, Virginia. William (son of John Estes and Mary Marshall) was born on 6 Aug 1755 in Culpepper, Virginia; died on 29 Aug 1810 in Barren, Kentucky. Children: Mary Ann Estes was born in 1778 in Culpepper, Virginia. James Estes was born in 1781 in Kentucky

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Samuel Robert Yates was born on 9 Dec 1862 in Green Co., Kentucky (son of John Milton Yates and Therissa Magdallen Newton); died on 1 May 1923 in Butler, Ohio; was buried in Middletown Historical Pioneer Cemetery, Butler, Ohio. Family/Spouse: Idell Hogland. Idell was born in 1870 in Kentucky. Children: Willie Yates was born in Nov 1888 in Kentucky. Mattie S. Yates was born on 2 Jun 1890 in Taylor, Kentucky; died on 21 Apr 1976 in Lincoln, Kentuck

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John Yates, Sr. was born in Mar 1753 in Pittsylvania, Virginia (son of John Yates and Elizabeth Kilgore); died on 16 Dec 1835 in Wilkes, North Carolina. John married Jemima Roper on 8 Mar 1779 in Caswell, North Carolina. Jemima (daughter of James David Roper and Sarah Ann Yates) was born on 22 Oct 1755 in Orange, North Carolina; died on 2 May 1853 in Wilkes, North Carolina. Children: John Yates, Jr. was born in 1780 in Wilkes, North Carolina; die

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Catherine Yates was born on 24 Jun 1706 in Virginia (daughter of Rev Bartholomew Yates and Sarah Stanard); died on 5 Oct 1738 in Virginia. Catherine married John Walker on 10 May 1733 in Virginia. John was born about 1706; died in 1745 in Virginia. Children: Sarah Walker was born on 30 Jun 1734 in Virgina. Clara Walker was born on 7 Sep 1737 in Virgina. Generation: 2 2. Rev Bartholomew Yates was born on 24 Aug 1676 in Donnington, Telford and

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Catherine Yates was born on 24 Jun 1706 in Virginia (daughter of Rev Bartholomew Yates and Sarah Stanard); died on 5 Oct 1738 in Virginia. Catherine married John Walker on 10 May 1733 in Virginia. John was born about 1706; died in 1745 in Virginia. Children: Sarah Walker was born on 30 Jun 1734 in Virgina. Clara Walker was born on 7 Sep 1737 in Virgina. Generation: 2 2. Rev Bartholomew Yates was born on 24 Aug 1676 in Donnington, Telford and

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Martha L. Yates was born in 1759 in Caroline, Virginia (daughter of Michael Yates, MD and Martha Patsy Marshall); died in 1820 in Kentucky. Martha married William Marshall Estes in 1778 in Culpepper, Virginia. William (son of John Estes and Mary Marshall) was born on 6 Aug 1755 in Culpepper, Virginia; died on 29 Aug 1810 in Barren, Kentucky. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart] Children: Mary Ann Estes was born in 1778 in Culpepper, Virginia. James Estes was born in 1781 in Kentucky

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Mary A. Yates was born on 17 Jul 1863 in Maryland (daughter of Anthony Mattey Sanders Yates and Mary Frances Drury); died on 6 Jan 1927 in Maryland. Family/Spouse: Thomas David Raley. Thomas was born in 1860 in Maryland; died in 1950 in Maryland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart] Generation: 2 2. Anthony Mattey Sanders Yates was born on 18 Feb 1838 in Maryland (son of Martin Yates and Mary E. Hayden); died on 3 Mar 1889 in Maryland. Anthony married Mary Frances Drury. Mary wa

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Mary A. Yates was born on 17 Jul 1863 in Maryland (daughter of Anthony Mattey Sanders Yates and Mary Frances Drury); died on 6 Jan 1927 in Maryland. Family/Spouse: Thomas David Raley. Thomas was born in 1860 in Maryland; died in 1950 in Maryland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart] Generation: 2 2. Anthony Mattey Sanders Yates was born on 18 Feb 1838 in Maryland (son of Martin Yates and Mary E. Hayden); died on 3 Mar 1889 in Maryland. Anthony married Mary Frances Drury. Mary wa

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Lydia Yates was born in 1712 in North Carolina (daughter of James Yates, Speculation). Family/Spouse: Thomas Kilgore. Thomas was born in 1715; died in 1822 in Tennessee. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart] Children: Elizabeth Kilgore was born in 1718 in Bedford, Virginia; died on 3 Feb 1793 in Pittsylvania, Virginia. Robert Kilgore was born in 1735; died on 21 Dec 1782. Lydia Ann Kilgore was born in 1770 in North Carolina; died on 25 Jan 1853 in Robertson, Tennessee. Generation: 2 2. James Ya

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Thanks Ron, this helps tremendously! You really created this fast. Thanks again… Cheryl

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Sunday 19 March 2023

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This may be an advancement in the evaluation process; as Cheryl mentioned, I was able to do it quickly. The key was I already had researched each of her lines in question and had the data in my database. Creating the line is the time consumer; so, if we can make progress riding on the work already done, that’s great!

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A 2023 Yates DNA Story

March 13, 2023

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Hi,

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My name is Dave A.

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At one point in the 1700’s my surname was Idesen, sometimes spelled as Ydes, Ydese or Idese.

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Because of many misspellings during that time, I often wondered if the John Yates or Hendrick Yates were somehow related to me. My family was from Belleville, NJ. I have different DNA results if you’d be interested in comparing some for Yates. Regards, Dave

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March 13, 2023

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Hello Dave, pleased to hear from you. Yes, I would be excited to do this comparison. I specifically have a study underway to do exactly what you enquired about doing. Here is a webpage that details some of the work being done. Perhaps we could make some headway for you as well. Here is the link: https://yates.one-name.net/gengen/index-page2.htm

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Do you know how to share your ancestry DNA matches with me using the share functionality? If so, please share them with me at the “collaborator” level so I am best-use the sorting function. If you have not used the share function previously, here is a guide I created:

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https://yates.one-name.net/images/shareDNAmatches.pdf

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Take care, Ron Yates

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March 13, 2023

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Hi Ron,

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I took a look at your instructions for sharing my Ancestry dna. I will go ahead and do that. My email address is xxx. I also have my paternal line Y -DNA over on Familytreedna.com. I’ll start now with the your Ancestry comparison.

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The most important thing to say is your suspicions as to a Yates connection seems to make sense as the very first match I reviewed using my search process is a clear cousin of yours who is also connected to a well-researched Yates line.

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This is the match:

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R.B., Managed by clifton bryant, 4th – 6th Cousin, 23 cM | < 1% shared DNA, Maternal side, Public linked tree, 2,410 People

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This match, who is a DNA cousin of yours connects to a Yates line related to:

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REBECCA RAGSDALE B:01 Nov 1758 Lunenburg, Lunenburg County, VA, USA D:19 Aug 1844 /November 1844 Different Cross Plains, Robertson County, TN.

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Remember, this approach ponders the question, if I have many confirmed DNA cousins who connect via Yates DNA, doesn’t that suggest it is likely that you, Dave also connect to this line someplace, somehow.? I think the answer is yes.

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It is also worth remembering that Gates is likely the root surname for Yates.? Here are more variations: https://yates.one-name.net/

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You mentioned John and Hendrick Yates as suspected relations to you.? I have many listings for both of those names, can you send me any details about these men?

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I have also made you a user on my TNG website; the TNG ID number in the database I attached are the ID numbers found in this TNG system so you can review any match you wish. I hope you are finding this helpful.

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With kind regards, Ron Yates

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March 13, 2023

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Attached is a screen shot from my tree.? John Yates Sr? d 1782 was married to Margreitje Vreeland b1758.?? Margreitje’s father, Hendrick Vreeland 1721-1772 was the brother of Doreitje Vreeland who married into my paternal line, Cornelius Ideson 1717-1771. ??So the 2 marriages would create a cousin connection between the Ideson children, and the yates children, John and Hendrick.

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I did enter my ydna into the Yates Project on FTDNA.? I see some similarity in the first columns of the results, but that’s all I checked.? my Kit number is 285683, only one with Addison name in the project listing

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Cornelis and the Yates lived in second River, Belleville NJ during the Rev war.

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You can always just do a straight search of the Yates name here:

It is our name, not mine; everything you see here, or you contribute, will be preserved and accessible forever, by the Guild. This preservation feature is the number 1 reason you might contribute. Many times, our years of collecting are lost when we die. This is your chance to avoid that.

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How to preserve by contributing stuff to the effort:

I am privileged to be the current registrant with the Guild to curate work regarding our surname. If you want to add content, simply contact me.? It is our name, not mine; everything you see here, or you contribute, will be preserved and accessible forever by the Guild.

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If you have interest in the Yates name and any of its variations and wish to consider help me build out all things pertinent to the study on your continent, please drop a line.? No, there is no cost or compensation involved, work at your own pace so no pressure and you likely would be sharing and preserving something you have been doing on you own anyway.

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With kind regards,

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Ron Yates #9019

Registrant & Member

Guild of One-Name-Studies

yates@...

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Leigh will we along shortly to help us get on the right track, her records seem to maintain that there was a marriage but understand the conflict.? We need to confirm that Leigh was able to acquire the records created by “Joseph Yates And Some Of His Descendants” By A. S. Salley, Jr. ??They were in the Adlai Robin Yates collection at Clemson.? If she did not get them, I will to determine if we can harvest any details.

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For now, as a guidepost, we know there is a DNA connection between the Yates lines:

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Seven of Leigh’s Yates DNA matches appear to descend from Tattersall-Wells-Warfield-Guiney-Tapp in this list just below:

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Yep, understand; the attachment does NOT show Joseph’s line.? I know it is difficult to keep in mind, what I was showing was the seven DNA lines that DO match to Leigh.? From there, we try to infer the best we can which of the Yates lines Joseph and therefore Leigh might descend from…

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My inference is that Joseph and Leigh, based on the unmasked frequency of 7 out of 20, may very well descend from Tattersall-Wells-Warfield-Guiney-Tapp line.? Just a guidepost, not proof.

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Completely understandable, I also must look at the data and ask myself what this stuff tells me…lol

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I have attached your file to Joseph in our master on-line genealogy program available at this link:

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This on-line program is part of the hosting and preservation program of the Guild.? It means that whatever we save and upload to it will be there for all access as long as the Guild exists.

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I plan to do a Beta Test on possibly hosting many trees with the on-line program.? The advantage is the preservation aspect but also leaves it under your control versus hoping your tree will be around after you die at the whim of a retail company such as Ancestry, Heritage, Geni, etc.? Although technically capable of hosting many GEDCOMs I need to understand how it might feel to have that many and what you as the user can do.? That’s why we are doing a Beta test.? I have asked someone to be the Beta user; whenever I get agreement and start the test, I will alert everyone about the test so you can give it a spin as well.? What you may not realize is we have three GEDCOM’s on the system already.

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If you already know you would be interested in having a GEDCOM uploaded for access and safekeeping, let me know.

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Regards, Ron Yates

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I am giving the group immediate access to the features of our on-line website database.?

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Username: guest-user

Password: i@T@LSswK82I

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Allow to view abbreviated names of living individuals;

Allow to download GEDCOMs;

Allow to download PDFs;

Allow to view LDS information;

Allow CSV downloads for reports;

Create many versions of ancestors, descendants, calculate relationships from tabs found on the individual page.

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Everyone in the database is associated with an ID number; for example, I am I1, my father is I3 and my mother is I7, all created by software.? You are likely in this database, or can be, so look yourself up.

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Regards, Ron

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Bless our record keepers!? We are fortunate to have Roberta Toby as a member; we have worked together on Crawford, Indiana matters for many years.?

She is the Crawford, Indiana County Historian and has been integral in their archives.? She always amazes me with what she can find.? Today’s find is no exception.

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When the US Civil War began, recruitment began, and large groups of men signed up developing the pattern of many family members served in the same regiments.? The best comparison now, I think, is how members of a community join and serve in a local reserve unit.? When those units are activated, they then find themselves serving in harm’s way with friend and family members.? This pattern of serving provides some unique opportunities and downsides.? Think of how this affected communities during the multiple unit activations during the recent conflicts with US involvement in the Middle East.

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In today’s case, Roberta has sent important records filed with the county by the veteran as to their service.? Brothers John Yates (1825) and Daniel Yates (1822) traveled like many others to Alton, Indiana on the shores of the Ohio river and enlisted together.? The two records are source documents for 1863 just after the retaking of Chattanooga by the Union and in 1865 with Daniel’s final discharge home.

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Daniel’s brother John (my GG Grandfather likely filed a similar record for 1863.? John did not survive the war.? Because of an administrative oversight, he was arrested in August 1863 and was court martialed for desertion.? He was permanently discharged for medical reasons and sent home.? But his military command structure was not told of the discharge.? Fortunately, he was wise enough to file his discharge papers with the County records department and all was resolved by this filing:

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Headquarters Louisville

Barracks, Louisville, KY

January 7^th, 1863

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The bearor thereof, John Yates, a Private of Capt. Sexton's Company "K" 38th Regiment Indiana Volunteers,age 37 years, 6 feet high, fair complexion, blue eyes, brown hair, and by profession a farmer born in the state of Indiana and enlisted at Camp Noble in the State of Indiana on the __ day ___ eighteen hundred and sixtyone, to serve for the period of three years, having filed at these Headquarters Certificates of disability, approved by the Medical Director of this Department, for his discharge from the service of the United States, which cannot be hereafter for want of Descriptive Roll and account of pay and clothing; the said at his own request and by order of Brigadier General Hugh Boyle Ewing Commanding Western Division of KY is permitted to go to his his home at Grantsburg in the County of Crawford Sate of Indiana. And there to remain until his discharge can be completed which will be duly transmitted to him through the mail. Subsistence has been furnished to the said John Yates to the 7th day January 1863, And, transportation from _______ to _________.

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Given under my hand at Louisville Kentucky, this 7th day of January 1863.

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Marcellus Mundy

Colonel 23rd Kentucky Volunteers

Commanding Post

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I have compared this with the original in the hands of John Yates and certify that it is a true copy.

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J.B. Merriweather,

Provost Marshall

2nd District Indiana

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I am letting you know we have a temporary glitch under repair with the TNG genealogy website which holds our database at Yates one-name-study.? This is the first of this kind of problem I have encountered after 20 years of using the website software.? Currently I have it in maintenance status until open for business again.

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Fortunately, the website I used over the 20 years is maintained and is a 100% identical content with a little bit of different look.? For any of you who might have some kind of search emergency, you can find what you need at:

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Ron Yates

I live in Charlotte, North Carolina so Clemson University is not too far from me.? In my Yates quest for better information, I discovered and visited the Adlai Robin Yates collection.? I took my trusty scanner, and they allowed me to scan to my heart’s content.? The answer is 354 pages; the question was how many pages could Ron scan in two days?

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Adlai was a model researcher, and the collection has many tips and clues about things that we now pursue.? While scanning I couldn’t wait to get home and study what I had scanned.? It may have been 5-7 years ago now and I still haven’t mined it for information. The format was not helpful to grab my attention.

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So, this is my way of making it easier and accessible to others:?

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Regards, Ron

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Hello, several years ago I purchased all the Yates family group sheets that had been completed by family members and provided to William Yates of the Yates Publishing Co.? He mined many of these things and compiled them into other booklets that could be purchased.? The family group sheets were the source documents and they are available here for you now: ? All 650 pages in an accessible manner.

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Regards, Ron