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Re: Hi / group activity

 

I have the rank "11" chips that were the most stable/least amount of tuning drift. I can include the diode if you like...

Doug?
synthparts.com
Re: Hi / group activity

 

that's good... then I 'd first do a swap from another voice of your synth, since you already have confirmation of those that still work.
Then, you'll know if buying another chip will for sure fix it.



On Saturday, October 31, 2015 2:10 PM, "laurie laurie@... [yamahacs80]" wrote:


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would your vco chip be the more stable version or the original?? I had to add a diode for the newer IG00153 vco chips when I upgraded? all 16 m boards... can the older be dropped in (I have 2 spare cards) or do I have to remove the extra components?


---- On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 18:19:59 -0500 synthparts@... [yamahacs80] wrote ----

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My guess would be you killed the IG00153 VCO chip. Try swapping it to another voice to confirm. I have the chip in stock if you need another one.?

Doug?
synthparts.com
Re: Hi / group activity

 

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I did the sensory checks, lol , no unusual smells, nothing hot compared to adjacent boards no visible broken or burned traces ,? mad about my gaff with the one chip from my spare cards though, and I still think reverse engineering to go from the stable chip to original may be required...


---- On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:01:10 -0500 Tim Conniff tconno@... [yamahacs80]<yamahacs80@...> wrote ----

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Hi to Laurie laurie,

?I have a way to check voice cards , as well as the propietary chips without allowing excess current to pass through anything.
It's just an idea, but if you wanted to send a card to check , that's a possibility. I'm in LA, and am the guy currently running the unison mod for diy'ers you might have seen. If nothing is truly damaged, or if you want, I can also repair whatever is wrong, using your spare parts if you prefer. Anyway, without me doing that, you probably don't want to continue slapping parts in the card until you know more about the failure. Have you done the usual sensory checks, i.e. test for hot parts, smell, etc ? Nothing visually obvious or fatigued ?
Regards
Tim



On Friday, October 30, 2015 11:45 AM, "laurie laurie@... [yamahacs80]" <yamahacs80@...> wrote:


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I have an issue with my CS80....? I did a upgrade to the newer VCO chips about 20 years ago... and ordered 2 M boards from overseas with what I believe is the original Chips.... I remember having to move a diode (or add one )right beside the chip.... my problem is, during spring, I realized osc 1 bank one was down... Filter still showed up with white noise and Eg worked but no Sine or Saw or Pulse was audible....

well the idiot I am, installed one of the other M board osc Chips in Backwards ( I know right? ) FFS....? any Idea what I may have damaged in the process? if I try the replacement chip in the correct way, it interferes with Bank 2 (same osc)... leaving it empty allos osc 1 bank 2 to work....? and worst, Im in Winnipeg Canada..... probably the only local CS80 here.... (rumours there was another... )

Any Wise sugestions ?

---- On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 12:34:32 -0500 david@... [yamahacs80]<yamahacs80@...> wrote ----
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Hi all.

I know the group has been pretty sleepy lately. ?I'm not worried since everyone is busy and activity always waxes and wanes. ?I hope to be posting a lot soon. ?I've had a rough last few months; I've been out of work and just got a new job and my wife, who was pretty healthy her whole life, had a heart attack out of nowhere! ?She's much better now and things are recovering around here so I should be able to start working on the CS80 mods I was in the middle of.

!
?David
Re: Hi / group activity

 

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would your vco chip be the more stable version or the original?? I had to add a diode for the newer IG00153 vco chips when I upgraded? all 16 m boards... can the older be dropped in (I have 2 spare cards) or do I have to remove the extra components?


---- On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 18:19:59 -0500 synthparts@... [yamahacs80] wrote ----

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My guess would be you killed the IG00153 VCO chip. Try swapping it to another voice to confirm. I have the chip in stock if you need another one.?


Doug?
synthparts.com
Re: Hi / group activity

 

Since you say it affects the other banks voice, that is NOT a recommended, safe method.
?You risk doing some degree of damage. Granted, you could get lucky, but..... blind chip swapping isn't the scientific method.



On Friday, October 30, 2015 10:34 AM, "david@... [yamahacs80]" wrote:


?
Hi all.

I know the group has been pretty sleepy lately. ?I'm not worried since everyone is busy and activity always waxes and wanes. ?I hope to be posting a lot soon. ?I've had a rough last few months; I've been out of work and just got a new job and my wife, who was pretty healthy her whole life, had a heart attack out of nowhere! ?She's much better now and things are recovering around here so I should be able to start working on the CS80 mods I was in the middle of.

?David
Re: Hi / group activity

 

My guess would be you killed the IG00153 VCO chip. Try swapping it to another voice to confirm. I have the chip in stock if you need another one.?

Doug?
synthparts.com
Re: Hi / group activity

 

Hi to Laurie laurie,

?I have a way to check voice cards , as well as the propietary chips without allowing excess current to pass through anything.
It's just an idea, but if you wanted to send a card to check , that's a possibility. I'm in LA, and am the guy currently running the unison mod for diy'ers you might have seen. If nothing is truly damaged, or if you want, I can also repair whatever is wrong, using your spare parts if you prefer. Anyway, without me doing that, you probably don't want to continue slapping parts in the card until you know more about the failure. Have you done the usual sensory checks, i.e. test for hot parts, smell, etc ? Nothing visually obvious or fatigued ?
Regards
Tim



On Friday, October 30, 2015 11:45 AM, "laurie laurie@... [yamahacs80]" wrote:


?
I have an issue with my CS80....? I did a upgrade to the newer VCO chips about 20 years ago... and ordered 2 M boards from overseas with what I believe is the original Chips.... I remember having to move a diode (or add one )right beside the chip.... my problem is, during spring, I realized osc 1 bank one was down... Filter still showed up with white noise and Eg worked but no Sine or Saw or Pulse was audible....

well the idiot I am, installed one of the other M board osc Chips in Backwards ( I know right? ) FFS....? any Idea what I may have damaged in the process? if I try the replacement chip in the correct way, it interferes with Bank 2 (same osc)... leaving it empty allos osc 1 bank 2 to work....? and worst, Im in Winnipeg Canada..... probably the only local CS80 here.... (rumours there was another... )

Any Wise sugestions ?

---- On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 12:34:32 -0500 david@... [yamahacs80] wrote ----

?
Hi all.

I know the group has been pretty sleepy lately. ?I'm not worried since everyone is busy and activity always waxes and wanes. ?I hope to be posting a lot soon. ?I've had a rough last few months; I've been out of work and just got a new job and my wife, who was pretty healthy her whole life, had a heart attack out of nowhere! ?She's much better now and things are recovering around here so I should be able to start working on the CS80 mods I was in the middle of.

!
?David
Re: Hi / group activity

 

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I have an issue with my CS80....? I did a upgrade to the newer VCO chips about 20 years ago... and ordered 2 M boards from overseas with what I believe is the original Chips.... I remember having to move a diode (or add one )right beside the chip.... my problem is, during spring, I realized osc 1 bank one was down... Filter still showed up with white noise and Eg worked but no Sine or Saw or Pulse was audible....

well the idiot I am, installed one of the other M board osc Chips in Backwards ( I know right? ) FFS....? any Idea what I may have damaged in the process? if I try the replacement chip in the correct way, it interferes with Bank 2 (same osc)... leaving it empty allos osc 1 bank 2 to work....? and worst, Im in Winnipeg Canada..... probably the only local CS80 here.... (rumours there was another... )

Any Wise sugestions ?

---- On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 12:34:32 -0500 david@... [yamahacs80] wrote ----

?

Hi all.


I know the group has been pretty sleepy lately. ?I'm not worried since everyone is busy and activity always waxes and wanes. ?I hope to be posting a lot soon. ?I've had a rough last few months; I've been out of work and just got a new job and my wife, who was pretty healthy her whole life, had a heart attack out of nowhere! ?She's much better now and things are recovering around here so I should be able to start working on the CS80 mods I was in the middle of.


?David
Hi / group activity

 

Hi all.


I know the group has been pretty sleepy lately. ?I'm not worried since everyone is busy and activity always waxes and wanes. ?I hope to be posting a lot soon. ?I've had a rough last few months; I've been out of work and just got a new job and my wife, who was pretty healthy her whole life, had a heart attack out of nowhere! ?She's much better now and things are recovering around here so I should be able to start working on the CS80 mods I was in the middle of.


?David
Re: Mono Modification

 

Hi Florian,

I'd need it for the adjustment procedure. I would add a switch to the
gate lines, so I could deactivate all voices but one (or some voices).
Your method may still work for the pitch adjustment, but for setting the
envelope times, I really have to have a synchronous start of the two
voices I am comparing.
Aha, I see, sorry - I thought you were referring to pitch adjustment
when you said tuning.

Agreed, for envelope time adjustment my method would be of no use. But
how about simply pressing four keys at the same time, trigging all the
envelopes at the same time? (-:

/mr - wouldn't want my CS-50 voices more closely calibrated than that ;-)
Re: Mono Modification

 

Hello Mattias

my request is not about unisono because of its sound.

I'd need it for the adjustment procedure. I would add a switch to the gate lines, so I could deactivate all voices but one (or some voices).
Your method may still work for the pitch adjustment, but for setting the envelope times, I really have to have a synchronous start of the two voices I am comparing.

Florian


Am 28.09.2015 um 11:07 schrieb Mattias Rickardsson mr@... [yamahacs80]:


Just set the envelopes to a long release time, and press the same key
4 times. The CS voice allocation picks new voices each time, an the
tails of your four voices will overlap. :-)

/mr
Re: Mono Modification

 

Just set the envelopes to a long release time, and press the same key
4 times. The CS voice allocation picks new voices each time, an the
tails of your four voices will overlap. :-)

/mr
Mono Modification

 

While restoring this CS50 I thought, that a mono-unisono mode would be very helpful for tuning. So I am looking for a description of that modification (especially for a CS50). I've searched the groups archive for it, but did not find any details about it. I only found it mentioned as taken for known.

Are there any detailed explanations somewhere?

I tried to understand the principle of the KAS board, but I don't find any signal that resets the voice counter. I also don't find any significant difference between the KAS board of a CS50 and a CS60 (at least in this aspect).


Florian
Re: CS60 bolts?

 

Hello Rob

The group settings seem to forbid attachments. You may either upload the picture to the photo section or send it me. I think I can identify them, as I restored two CS60 and a CS80 already.

Florian

Am 24.09.2015 um 11:27 schrieb blchrr@... [yamahacs80]:


Hey group,

Ive dug up some bolts that i think are from the cs60? (hold the top lid down
and screw in from the bottom) I didnt want to send them out if they are
wrong, can anyone check see attached pic.

Cheers,
Rob.
CS60 bolts? (link)

 

Hmm filter removed my pic, well heres a link to the pic:

Cheers
CS60 bolts?

 

Hey group,

Ive dug up some bolts that i think are from the cs60? (hold the top lid down
and screw in from the bottom) I didnt want to send them out if they are
wrong, can anyone check see attached pic.

Cheers,
Rob.
Re: WTB: Yamaha CS-50/60(/80?) screws for panel and keyboard mounting

 

Hi Florian,

Sorry i havent forgotten about this, im sure i have these and you can have them free of charge, just cover the postage.
I just need to go dig them out!

Cheers,
Rob.

Hello Rob, that would be great. Florian Am 15.09.2015 um 16:20 schrieb blchrr@... [yamahacs80]:

I think i may have these Florian, let me have a look and ill get back to you ,_._,___

Re: oops, there's an error in my last message...

 

Actually, I sent Kent proof of that privately, because I would want to know that if someone had been
getting that much from something I had built. It is in fact, a fact that it goes for 850GBP on that site.
?
But in any event, mine gives the end user the ability to do it himself/herself. My design is slightly different as well , but the functionality is the same.
?Thanks
Tim



On Sunday, September 20, 2015 11:31 AM, "Phil a nuipb1@... [yamahacs80]" wrote:


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>?there must be a typo in RL's site. ?it was there. I thought it was possibly a mistake, too. but it WAS in print so I didn't investigate.

Very likely indeed as RL music does seem to like inflated figures :)

Phil


On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Tim Conniff tconno@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@...> wrote:
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there must be a typo in RL's site. ?it was there. I thought it was possibly a mistake, too. but it WAS in print so I didn't investigate.
In any event, what I am doing is a bit different, especially from the user's perspective, so I am serving the DIY folks who want to do it themselves. I also changed the circuit a bit.? I haven't looked at the site since I began designing this, so I apologize if that's no longer the case.
?Tim



On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 3:52 PM, "Kent spong kent_spong@... [yamahacs80]" <yamahacs80@...> wrote:


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I would love to charge $1200 for my dynamic unison mod. Very interested to know where you got that figure from actually. My price is ?200 built and fitted including the bypass switch.?



On 15 Sep 2015, at 05:34, Tim Conniff tconno@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@...> wrote:

True but won't ever happen @ a sane price point like $199.?
Kent charges well over $1200 USD for the same functionality I offer.
?To accomplish what you're saying requires separate mods from the points?
used.... or, approach from a different perspective. Have you grokked the functionality
?of the Key encoding to manage that inexpensively?



On Monday, September 14, 2015 7:46 PM, "synthparts@... [yamahacs80]" <yamahacs80@...> wrote:


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Is the mod always in the dynamic voice allocation mode? I used to have a CS60 with a mod with switches to select normal, 2-voices per key, 4-voices per key, and full unison modes. I think it would be more useful to have a way to select how many voices are stacked.

Dpig?
Re: oops, there's an error in my last message...

 

>?there must be a typo in RL's site. ?it was there. I thought it was possibly a mistake, too. but it WAS in print so I didn't investigate.

Very likely indeed as RL music does seem to like inflated figures :)

Phil


On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Tim Conniff tconno@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@...> wrote:
?

there must be a typo in RL's site. ?it was there. I thought it was possibly a mistake, too. but it WAS in print so I didn't investigate.
In any event, what I am doing is a bit different, especially from the user's perspective, so I am serving the DIY folks who want to do it themselves. I also changed the circuit a bit.? I haven't looked at the site since I began designing this, so I apologize if that's no longer the case.
?Tim



On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 3:52 PM, "Kent spong kent_spong@... [yamahacs80]" <yamahacs80@...> wrote:


?
I would love to charge $1200 for my dynamic unison mod. Very interested to know where you got that figure from actually. My price is ?200 built and fitted including the bypass switch.?



On 15 Sep 2015, at 05:34, Tim Conniff tconno@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@...> wrote:

True but won't ever happen @ a sane price point like $199.?
Kent charges well over $1200 USD for the same functionality I offer.
?To accomplish what you're saying requires separate mods from the points?
used.... or, approach from a different perspective. Have you grokked the functionality
?of the Key encoding to manage that inexpensively?



On Monday, September 14, 2015 7:46 PM, "synthparts@... [yamahacs80]" <yamahacs80@...> wrote:


?
Is the mod always in the dynamic voice allocation mode? I used to have a CS60 with a mod with switches to select normal, 2-voices per key, 4-voices per key, and full unison modes. I think it would be more useful to have a way to select how many voices are stacked.

Dpig?
Re: oops, there's an error in my last message...

 

Kent, I will take that statement out of the e-bay listing. I don't want to mislead anyone.
Thanks for calling my attention to this.
?Tim?



On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 3:52 PM, "Kent spong kent_spong@... [yamahacs80]" wrote:


?
I would love to charge $1200 for my dynamic unison mod. Very interested to know where you got that figure from actually. My price is ?200 built and fitted including the bypass switch.?



On 15 Sep 2015, at 05:34, Tim Conniff tconno@... [yamahacs80] <yamahacs80@...> wrote:

True but won't ever happen @ a sane price point like $199.?
Kent charges well over $1200 USD for the same functionality I offer.
?To accomplish what you're saying requires separate mods from the points?
used.... or, approach from a different perspective. Have you grokked the functionality
?of the Key encoding to manage that inexpensively?



On Monday, September 14, 2015 7:46 PM, "synthparts@... [yamahacs80]" <yamahacs80@...> wrote:


?
Is the mod always in the dynamic voice allocation mode? I used to have a CS60 with a mod with switches to select normal, 2-voices per key, 4-voices per key, and full unison modes. I think it would be more useful to have a way to select how many voices are stacked.

Dpig?
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