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YAAC Email


n8yg
 

Hi All, I thought I sent out this message before, but never saw it on the groups messages..?
Anyway, trying to get the email working for YAAC, but don't seem to be able to figure it out without an assist.?
I have an account with winlink, but I get a response when sending an email that says?
"invalid login challenge response" it looks like the sequence number is there, but not sure if I need to add the password to the YAAC program somewhere??
73 Brad N8YG


 

YAAC is an APRS client. Winlink is a different protocol. You will need to use a WinLink compatible client to connect to a WinLink node or process traffic.

Michael WA7SKG


n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 8:06 AM:

Hi All, I thought I sent out this message before, but never saw it on the groups messages..
Anyway, trying to get the email working for YAAC, but don't seem to be able to figure it out without an assist.
I have an account with winlink, but I get a response when sending an email that says
"invalid login challenge response" it looks like the sequence number is there, but not sure if I need to add the password to the YAAC program somewhere?
73 Brad N8YG


n8yg
 

so when I use the pull down in YAAC there is a send email prompt that says send email via winlink. This cannot be done then from YAAC??


 

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There is (or was) a crude APRS-to-Winlink gateway once upon a time. I'm not sure if it is still working, and whether or not its interface protocol over APRS has changed since I wrote the APRS-Winlink client screen in YAAC.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC


-------- Original message --------
From: Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...>
Date: 3/17/20 12:00 (GMT-05:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] YAAC Email

YAAC is an APRS client. Winlink is a different protocol. You will need
to use a WinLink compatible client to connect to a WinLink node or
process traffic.

Michael WA7SKG


n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 8:06 AM:
> Hi All, I thought I sent out this message before, but never saw it on
> the groups messages..
> Anyway, trying to get the email working for YAAC, but don't seem to be
> able to figure it out without an assist.
> I have an account with winlink, but I get a response when sending an
> email that says
> "invalid login challenge response" it looks like the sequence number is
> there, but not sure if I need to add the password to the YAAC program
> somewhere?
> 73 Brad N8YG




n8yg
 

What little I know is that there once was a way to send to winlink.. without a password.. now I think they want part of your password or something like that interlinked with the sequence number ..whatever... it looks like it's not working.. so good to know. I'll quit trying..:-)
Thanks?
Brad N8YG


On Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 01:24:56 PM EDT, Andrew P. <andrewemt@...> wrote:


There is (or was) a crude APRS-to-Winlink gateway once upon a time. I'm not sure if it is still working, and whether or not its interface protocol over APRS has changed since I wrote the APRS-Winlink client screen in YAAC.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC


-------- Original message --------
From: Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...>
Date: 3/17/20 12:00 (GMT-05:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] YAAC Email

YAAC is an APRS client. Winlink is a different protocol. You will need
to use a WinLink compatible client to connect to a WinLink node or
process traffic.

Michael WA7SKG


n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 8:06 AM:
> Hi All, I thought I sent out this message before, but never saw it on
> the groups messages..
> Anyway, trying to get the email working for YAAC, but don't seem to be
> able to figure it out without an assist.
> I have an account with winlink, but I get a response when sending an
> email that says
> "invalid login challenge response" it looks like the sequence number is
> there, but not sure if I need to add the password to the YAAC program
> somewhere?
> 73 Brad N8YG




Ronny Julian
 

That did it!? I knew it was something I had done.? Thanks!

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 1:24 PM Andrew P. <andrewemt@...> wrote:
There is (or was) a crude APRS-to-Winlink gateway once upon a time. I'm not sure if it is still working, and whether or not its interface protocol over APRS has changed since I wrote the APRS-Winlink client screen in YAAC.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC


-------- Original message --------
From: Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...>
Date: 3/17/20 12:00 (GMT-05:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] YAAC Email

YAAC is an APRS client. Winlink is a different protocol. You will need
to use a WinLink compatible client to connect to a WinLink node or
process traffic.

Michael WA7SKG


n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 8:06 AM:
> Hi All, I thought I sent out this message before, but never saw it on
> the groups messages..
> Anyway, trying to get the email working for YAAC, but don't seem to be
> able to figure it out without an assist.
> I have an account with winlink, but I get a response when sending an
> email that says
> "invalid login challenge response" it looks like the sequence number is
> there, but not sure if I need to add the password to the YAAC program
> somewhere?
> 73 Brad N8YG




 

I was never able to get the built-in email screen to work. I was able to use the basic YAAC messaging send/receive feature with WLNK-1 as the destination to use the APRSLink methodology... https://www.winlink.org/APRSLink


 

My bad. Learn something new every day. Never noticed that before. I asked previously about sending email via APRS and was told it was obsolete.

Michael WA7SKG


n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 10:07 AM:

so when I use the pull down in YAAC there is a send email prompt that says send email via winlink. This cannot be done then from YAAC??
_._,_._,_


n8yg
 

I just thought I was going crazy.. ok, at least only partly crazy..
Email Obsolete?? Perhaps, but I am just getting my feet wet with APRS after a long sleep from Packet Radio in the 80s.

73
Brad N8YG


On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:37 PM, Michael WA7SKG
<wa7skg@...> wrote:
My bad. Learn something new every day. Never noticed that before. I
asked previously about sending email via APRS and was told it was obsolete.

Michael WA7SKG


n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 10:07 AM:
> so when I use the pull down in YAAC there is a send email prompt that
> says send email via winlink. This cannot be done then from YAAC??
> _._,_._,_




 

Yet again I stumble. I meant sending WINLINK email via APRS is what I was told was obsolete. There is a way to send generic email via APRS. I just do not know the details. I think my son got it working, I will consult with him.

Michael WA7SKG


n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 3:37 PM:

I just thought I was going crazy.. ok, at least only partly crazy..
Email Obsolete?? Perhaps, but I am just getting my feet wet with APRS after a long sleep from Packet Radio in the 80s.
73
Brad N8YG
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On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:37 PM, Michael WA7SKG
<wa7skg@...> wrote:
My bad. Learn something new every day. Never noticed that before. I
asked previously about sending email via APRS and was told it was
obsolete.
Michael WA7SKG
n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 10:07 AM:
> so when I use the pull down in YAAC there is a send email prompt
that
> says send email via winlink. This cannot be done then from YAAC??
> _._,_._,_


Ronny Julian
 

Please let us know.? Several folks said it as working last week so this could be a process down or a change in the Winlink system.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 8:37 PM Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...> wrote:
Yet again I stumble. I meant sending WINLINK email via APRS is what I
was told was obsolete. There is a way to send generic email via APRS. I
just do not know the details. I think my son got it working, I will
consult with him.

Michael WA7SKG


n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 3:37 PM:
> I just thought I was going crazy.. ok, at least only partly crazy..
> Email Obsolete?? Perhaps, but I am just getting my feet wet with APRS
> after a long sleep from Packet Radio in the 80s.
>
> 73
> Brad N8YG
>
> <>
>
>? ? ?On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:37 PM, Michael WA7SKG
>? ? ?<wa7skg@...> wrote:
>? ? ?My bad. Learn something new every day. Never noticed that before. I
>? ? ?asked previously about sending email via APRS and was told it was
>? ? ?obsolete.
>
>? ? ?Michael WA7SKG
>
>
>? ? ?n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 10:07 AM:
>? ? ? > so when I use the pull down in YAAC there is a send email prompt
>? ? ?that
>? ? ? > says send email via winlink. This cannot be done then from YAAC??
>? ? ? > _._,_._,_
>
>




 

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Unless things have changed, you can send (not receive!) email from an APRS client by sending a message to EMAIL-2, with a message consisting of the email address, a space, and the message text.? Keep it short (single packet!), and don't expect a reply (it's one direction).? But it worked for me last time I tried it.? Came in really handy some years ago when my wife and I were on a vacation and found ourselves at a beautiful B&B on the coast in the middle of a cell phone black hole.? No bars (the RF kind).?? But APRS worked, and we were able to let our kids know that we arrived safely and would call them the next day.? I did this from the front panel of my Kenwood TH-D7AG, which was a thousand button presses.? I expect you can do the same in seconds from YAAC simply by sending a message and typing it out.

You can also send an SMS message to a phone with the SMS Gateway.? Message to SMSGTE, with the text being an "@" followed by the phone number (including area code, numbers only), a space, and the message.? This one is bi-directional, though the initial message must come from the Ham station.

The issue with WLNK-1 is that a few years ago they implemented a security handshake (password verification exchange) as part of the connection sequence.? My compliments to whoever came up with the idea; it's a very creative way to do a reasonably secure handshake over an unencrypted link.? It can be done by hand (I've done it), but the timeout is rather short, so it's fussy to do typing from a keyboard-based client, and essentially impossible from an HT.? If Andrew's code hasn't been updated do that handshake, it won't work.

Greg? KO6TH


Michael WA7SKG wrote:

Yet again I stumble. I meant sending WINLINK email via APRS is what I was told was obsolete. There is a way to send generic email via APRS. I just do not know the details. I think my son got it working, I will consult with him.

Michael WA7SKG


n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 3:37 PM:
I just thought I was going crazy.. ok, at least only partly crazy..
Email Obsolete?? Perhaps, but I am just getting my feet wet with APRS after a long sleep from Packet Radio in the 80s.

73
Brad N8YG



??? On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:37 PM, Michael WA7SKG
??? <wa7skg@...> wrote:
??? My bad. Learn something new every day. Never noticed that before. I
??? asked previously about sending email via APRS and was told it was
??? obsolete.

??? Michael WA7SKG


??? n8yg via Groups.Io wrote on 3/17/20 10:07 AM:
???? > so when I use the pull down in YAAC there is a send email prompt
??? that
???? > says send email via winlink. This cannot be done then from YAAC??
???? > _._,_._,_







n8yg
 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 07:19 PM, Greg D wrote:
EMAIL-2
Thanks Greg, the EMAIL-2 worked.. FYI
73
Brad N8YG


 
Edited

“?If Andrew's code hasn't been updated do that handshake, it won't work.”

it works. I follow the procedure outlined in winlink.org web pages.?


 

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EMAIL-2 can be bi-directional if you know the proper incantations and formats.? See the bottom half of the following web page:


Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 3/18/2020 4:29 PM, n8yg via Groups.Io wrote:

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 07:19 PM, Greg D wrote:
EMAIL-2
Thanks Greg, the EMAIL-2 worked.. FYI
73
Brad N8YG



Ronny Julian
 

Since Winlink is broken can EMAIL-2 be substituted in the interface?? And is Winlink really broken?? I see the messages back and forth as just a failed login to send.

Ronny
K4RJJ

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 12:21 PM Lynn Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@...> wrote:

EMAIL-2 can be bi-directional if you know the proper incantations and formats.? See the bottom half of the following web page:


Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 3/18/2020 4:29 PM, n8yg via Groups.Io wrote:
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 07:19 PM, Greg D wrote:
EMAIL-2
Thanks Greg, the EMAIL-2 worked.. FYI
73
Brad N8YG