Re: X6100 PWR consumption wit external PSU
On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 10:48 AM, Robert PA1RL wrote:
For digimodes the X6100 can get quite hot already, so it's best not to add unnecessary waste heat!
The output transformer of the X6100 is very weak. It is not designed for a power of more than 5W - therefore, there are very frequent cases of its burnout after working in digital modes at 10W.
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Re: X6100 PWR consumption wit external PSU
Hi. Yes, 3S would be suffcient and imho even optimal. In this group you will find people who measured input voltage vs output power for this rig. Between 9 and 10 V is fine.Most of the input is regulated down to 5 V anyway (except for the PA).
A higher then 10V voltage just adds extra heat internally (the voltage regulators are analog, not switching) with no extra power output. For digimodes the X6100 can get quite hot already, so it's best not to add unnecessary waste heat!
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Robert
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Re: X6100 PWR consumption wit external PSU
Tnx Robert for pointing to this issue.
I'm already using LiFePO4 and only used the wrong terminus. Sorry.
So you recommend a S3 configuration as sufficient?
Is this the case even for 10W operation?
vy73
Markus
DL8MBY
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X6100 Description of Making CW, RTTY, PSK app work?
Are there any manuals or descriptions showing how to make the X6100 apps work (in particular CW and RTTY)?
(My hearing is quite bad, so YouTubes with echoey audio doesn't help me much. :-( )
TIA!
73, Paul -- AI7JR?
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CAN you MAINTAIN a X6100 WiFi Connection?
I can?connect my X6100 to my WiFi network, and WFView "works" (minimally, more about that in another topic!)
But, after a period of time, the X6100 drops the WiFi connection. Of course, WFView can't work then!
Access point for the 6100 is maybe 6' away, has a good strong connection. Ping doesn't report errors, until the WiFi disconnects. Other devices connected through the same access point don't have errors.
If I turn the X6100 off, then back on, the connection is restored.
Is this a known X6100 behavior, and can it be changed? I want to just leave the radio on and connected, accessing it with WFView.
TIA for any Wisdom!
73, Paul -- AI7JR
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Is WFView misidentifying my X6100?
I'm trying to use WFView with my new X6100, APP 1.1.7 BASE 1.1.6, via WiFi, for remote access.
I can connect but WFView claims it's talking to a (IC?)705! Some controls and functions work but most don't. No errors reported...
Are there improvements I can make? :-(
Paul -- AI7JR
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Re: Battery will not charge
I will be sourcing the parts that matter in that kit from china. The prices for the kits, (there is a G90 kit as well) are too expensive for what you get IMO.
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Re: Battery will not charge
Like death and taxes there is a 100% certainty the battery in your 6100 will fail. ?Not stocking batteries indicates the manufacturer identifies its product as disposable. ?There are a couple of choices we have when it does fail and that is to leave it in the radio and use an external power source, remove the batteries, or fix it. ?I don’t like leaving lipo batteries that have failed in anything. ?I have at least two experiences of iPhone batteries swelling so much that it cracks the screen. ?So that leaves option 2 and three. ?Since no user repairable notices ever scared me I first do 2 remove the battery and then try to rebuild it. I did a description of how to rebuild a x5105 battery on their groups.io group. ?
My 6100 battery has not failed yet so I tend to not fix things that are not broken but…
if your battery is not charging it is probably because it sat unused for a while and one of the cells went below the set low voltage and the management system shut the battery down. ?Voltage goes too high or too low and your battery is disabled and I might add the batteries might not be bad..just run down. ?With these high current envelope style batteries that is exactly what you want the radio to do.
You can find the batteries on eBay, when you change them out you have to wake up the battery manager.
As for the radioditty repair kit… these parts look like the remnants of repair kits. ?It baffles me that it is referred to as “enhancement” or considered a high failure item worthy of packaging as a “kit”.
Tom
AE5NF
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Re: X6100 PWR consumption wit external PSU
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 11:37 AM, <markus@...> wrote:
Could be useful to know if you plan to purchase an external Li-Ion bat. for outdoor activities.
Consider LiFePO4 instead of Li-ion. The voltage is of LiFePO4 is lower, and that is beneficial for this rig.? LiFePO4 in 3S has just the right voltage for this rig (9,6 V nominal, instead of 11,1 V nominal for Li-ion).? A voltage higher than 9V just ads extra heat (i.e. wasted capacity). 73's ? -- Robert
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Re: X6100 PWR consumption wit external PSU
Very helpful, Markus.? Your findings are consistent with what I have observed less rigorously.
73,
?Dan
?N7SHM
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Re: Battery will not charge
That is very odd, and begs the question: exactly what voids the warranty, when the tamper seals are broken? All-in-One Accessories:?Our kit includes all the essential accessories, carefully selected based on big data provided by our maintenance department. For example, encoder, TF self-elastic deck, side plastic frame, decorative parts, fuse, MIC seat, Antenna Q9, knob, tempered glass, and so on. You can be assured that this is a comprehensive and suitable list that covers all your needs.
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Re: Battery will not charge
Well, it's a bit odd that Radioddity now sells a parts kit for the X6100 that unfortunately doesn't include the battery or charging circuit, and it does say this:
Warranty-Friendly:?Don't worry about the warranty of your radio being affected by replacing accessories. These Xiegu original accessories are designed to seamlessly integrate with your radio without voiding any warranties. Rest assured and enjoy peace of mind.
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X6100 PWR consumption wit external PSU
Just for information, some measurements of pwr consumption using an external power supply unit.
Could be useful to know if you plan to purchase an external Li-Ion bat. for outdoor activities.
Only loading from a 13.2V source - current 0.64A (empty int. Li-Ion pack)
TRX off loading deactivated via menu and connected to the ext. source - current 0.05A
Rx on, loading disabled, Loudspeaker off - current 0.4A
Rx on, Loudspeaker fully activated 1kHz single tone - 0.5A
Tx CW, loading disabled, 5W hf-pwr, 50Ohm dummy, - current 1.6 - 2.2A (for 7, 10, 14, 21, 28 MHz bands)
Tx CW, loading disabled, 10W hf-pwr, 50Ohm dummy, - current 2.9 - 3.1A (for 7, 10, 14, 21, 28 MHz bands)
Tx CW, loading disabled, 1W hf-pwr, 7Mhz, - current 1.5A
Tx CW, loading disabled, 0.1W hf-pwr, 7Mhz, - current 1.3A
Take only CW under consideration while doing my tests.
vy73
Markus
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I saw the "Kunodi Outdoor Speaker" at a pool party and was impressed by it.? I bought one and it's perfect for use as an external speaker for the X6100 or other small transceivers.? It has a rechargeable lithium ion batter and is rated at 10W output.? You can connect to it via Bluetooth or the short, stereo cable included.? It also has an SD slot if you want to load it will lots of tunes or whatever.? It's waterproof and only weights 6.6 oz.? The Xiegu external speaker weighs 8.2 oz.? Size is similar, but the Kunodi is like a hockey puck versus a box.? Sound quality for SSB is excellent in my opinion and it can play at a high volume if needed.? It sells on Amazon for $!7.99.
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Mike NN3I
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Re: Battery will not charge
Though the X6100 comes with an “anti-tamper” sticker on its cabinet to detect “unauthorized/warranty-voiding” behavior, I do believe that it is and has been illegal in the United States for decades to void a warranty for “such tampering”.
If you open the case to replace the batteries have you invalidated the warranty (Radioddity)?
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Re: Battery will not charge
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 08:45 AM, W8ISM wrote:
If you open the case to replace the batteries have you invalidated the warranty (Radioddity)?
Yes, that is my understanding. ?If you break the tape seals, you have invalidated your warranty. ?However, if you bought your X6100 from Radioddity, I would contact Radioddity about any issues you may have. ?I want to say that the warranty is 18 months, but I have not verified that from Radioddity’s website.
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Re: Battery will not charge
If you open the case to replace the batteries have you invalidated the warranty (Radioddity)?
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Re: Battery will not charge
Hi Ron, The?X6100 has a couple of bad ideas in the design, not the least of which is having a too small battery to do any real good. But my main gripe with it is their?use of two processors.? It's fun to do stuff like that for proto-typing, and?it makes programming the UI really easy, and fun,? but for a production unit it should have all been built around a single processor and gate array. The User Interface computer is constantly exhibiting? communications issues that wouldn't be there if they were only using one processor. I'll say if they hadn't come out with the X5105 I would have thought they're in the wrong business! It's as solid as a rock?for that low price! We all make bone-head decisions sometimes in design and I'm not exempt from that. I once designed a hand-held unit using an off the shelf ARM processor CPU board. I gathered data from the test with a Microchip PIC processor?and sent the data over to the ARM. That machine shows the same once-in-a-while lags in communications the X6100 does. I hate it on my own design and I hate it even more on that radio!? Live and learn... Oh, and the parts in the 6100 are HUGE compared to the ones I used in my design. I used 0402 size capacitors and resistors. Now those things are small.? You could land a 747 on the resistors and capacitors in the X6100... :) 73 Frank
On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 1:04?PM Ron Wright via <lt_wright_flg= [email protected]> wrote: I am sure as most know anything from China will have problems for repairs and service.? Like the UV5R for which so many Hams have, it is a throw away rig when it dies.? I had one die and for fun took it apart to see how it was built.? Was made very well, all on one board except for the display and antenna connector.? And parts so small had to be assembled by a machine.? I am sure the X6100 is similar.
I do like the X6100, gives a lot for the money.? Is not a KX2/3 or IC705, but cost about half.
73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE/R Hernando Co ARES EC
Spring Hill, Florida also n9ee55@...
On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 12:44:16 PM EST, Frank Fertitta AA5IT < frankfertitta48@...> wrote:
Like a previous poster I've lost any faith I had in Xiegu because of this radio. I too have charging issues. After a full charge cycle the radio will only receive for about thirty minutes before the battery voltage drops so low it turns off. Even from a full charge the radio will not transmit due to excessive voltage sag. I've checked the cells and one of them has failed and refuses to hold a charge.
I contacted Radioddity EU and they suggested I look on Aliexpress. When I questioned this they replied that because I didn't purchase the radio from them they would not offer any support. I contacted Xiegu and received an auto reply and nothing more. I also contacted the UK importer and they didn't even reply.
In all three instances I emphasised that I wasn't after a freebie and that I was prepared to pay for a full battery assembly (two cells, BMS board, and rear panel). My radio uses the second version of the Battery assembly. This is where the two cells are stacked lengthways on the backplate, wrapped in blue hestdhrink, and fixed directly to the BMS board i.e the cells are not attached by wires and don't have there own little protection circuits as the earlier version did.
Nidge G0NIG.?
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Re: Battery will not charge
I am sure as most know anything from China will have problems for repairs and service.? Like the UV5R for which so many Hams have, it is a throw away rig when it dies.? I had one die and for fun took it apart to see how it was built.? Was made very well, all on one board except for the display and antenna connector.? And parts so small had to be assembled by a machine.? I am sure the X6100 is similar.
I do like the X6100, gives a lot for the money.? Is not a KX2/3 or IC705, but cost about half.
73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE/R Hernando Co ARES EC
Spring Hill, Florida also n9ee55@...
On Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 12:44:16 PM EST, Frank Fertitta AA5IT <frankfertitta48@...> wrote:
Like a previous poster I've lost any faith I had in Xiegu because of this radio. I too have charging issues. After a full charge cycle the radio will only receive for about thirty minutes before the battery voltage drops so low it turns off. Even from a full charge the radio will not transmit due to excessive voltage sag. I've checked the cells and one of them has failed and refuses to hold a charge.
I contacted Radioddity EU and they suggested I look on Aliexpress. When I questioned this they replied that because I didn't purchase the radio from them they would not offer any support. I contacted Xiegu and received an auto reply and nothing more. I also contacted the UK importer and they didn't even reply.
In all three instances I emphasised that I wasn't after a freebie and that I was prepared to pay for a full battery assembly (two cells, BMS board, and rear panel). My radio uses the second version of the Battery assembly. This is where the two cells are stacked lengthways on the backplate, wrapped in blue hestdhrink, and fixed directly to the BMS board i.e the cells are not attached by wires and don't have there own little protection circuits as the earlier version did.
Nidge G0NIG.?
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Re: Battery will not charge
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Like a previous poster I've lost any faith I had in Xiegu because of this radio. I too have charging issues. After a full charge cycle the radio will only receive for about thirty minutes before the battery voltage drops so low it turns off. Even from a full charge the radio will not transmit due to excessive voltage sag. I've checked the cells and one of them has failed and refuses to hold a charge.
I contacted Radioddity EU and they suggested I look on Aliexpress. When I questioned this they replied that because I didn't purchase the radio from them they would not offer any support. I contacted Xiegu and received an auto reply and nothing more. I also contacted the UK importer and they didn't even reply.
In all three instances I emphasised that I wasn't after a freebie and that I was prepared to pay for a full battery assembly (two cells, BMS board, and rear panel). My radio uses the second version of the Battery assembly. This is where the two cells are stacked lengthways on the backplate, wrapped in blue hestdhrink, and fixed directly to the BMS board i.e the cells are not attached by wires and don't have there own little protection circuits as the earlier version did.
Nidge G0NIG.?
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Paul - AI7JR