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46’ CJ2A, 6 volt……. Trying to start for first time(after engine rebuild) & am not making much progress. Starter,generator, 0/1 electrical cables, cleaned up battery terminals and grounds, battery registers 6+ volts. Tried to fire it up today and just didn’t seem to have the oommmpppphhhh to fully turn over. Like a low battery but battery less than 1yr old and registering a little over 6amps. I’m trying to find a way to NOT fry my 6volt gauges and system yet give it a little more turnover juice…. HELP!!!!! Thanks,Mike
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Rebuilt* starter,generator….. sorry
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On May 16, 2021, at 8:40 PM, Michael Lopez via groups.io <Cpezdog911@...> wrote:
?46’ CJ2A, 6 volt……. Trying to start for first time(after engine rebuild) & am not making much progress. Starter,generator, 0/1 electrical cables, cleaned up battery terminals and grounds, battery registers 6+ volts. Tried to fire it up today and just didn’t seem to have the oommmpppphhhh to fully turn over. Like a low battery but battery less than 1yr old and registering a little over 6amps. I’m trying to find a way to NOT fry my 6volt gauges and system yet give it a little more turnover juice…. HELP!!!!! Thanks,Mike
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SO many ways to start looking, how hard is it to crank over by hand with no plugs..the starter has very hard copper like brushes that get stuck..the battery can read 6+, but whats it at while starting and after..I still got a 6 volter but jumped up to 8 volts. I don't out run the head lights any more..
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From: Michael Lopez <Cpezdog911@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, May 16, 2021 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Starting help and question…..
Rebuilt* starter,generator….. sorry
On May 16, 2021, at 8:40 PM, Michael Lopez via groups.io <Cpezdog911@...> wrote:
?46’ CJ2A, 6 volt……. Trying to start for first time(after engine rebuild) & am not making much progress. Starter,generator, 0/1 electrical cables, cleaned up battery terminals and grounds, battery registers 6+ volts. Tried to fire it up today and just didn’t seem to have the oommmpppphhhh to fully turn over. Like a low battery but battery less than 1yr old and registering a little over 6amps. I’m trying to find a way to NOT fry my 6volt gauges and system yet give it a little more turnover juice…. HELP!!!!! Thanks,Mike
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Be careful you have the timing correct because you may have valves hitting pistons. With the plugs out you should be able to turn it over with a socket and ratchet.
On May 16, 2021, at 9:53 PM, "jeepeers85213 via groups.io" <bilwilm@...> wrote:
SO many ways to start looking, how hard is it to crank over by hand with no plugs..the starter has very hard copper like brushes that get stuck..the battery can read 6+, but whats it at while starting and after..I still got a 6 volter but jumped up to 8 volts. I don't out run the head lights any more..
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Lopez < Cpezdog911@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, May 16, 2021 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Starting help and question…..
Rebuilt* starter,generator….. sorry
?46’ CJ2A, 6 volt……. Trying to start for first time(after engine rebuild) & am not making much progress. Starter,generator, 0/1 electrical cables, cleaned up battery terminals and grounds, battery registers 6+ volts. Tried to fire it up today and just didn’t seem to have the oommmpppphhhh to fully turn over. Like a low battery but battery less than 1yr old and registering a little over 6amps. I’m trying to find a way to NOT fry my 6volt gauges and system yet give it a little more turnover juice…. HELP!!!!! Thanks,Mike
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You can jump it with a 12v battery, won’t hurt anything. The only gauge that is 6v should be the fuel gauge.
However a good 6v system should spin that 134 over with no problem, you have a bad battery, starter or poor connections.
I swapped out my lights and coil and ran my 6v starter on 12v for years with no issues.
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On May 16, 2021, at 11:53 PM, jeepeers85213 via groups.io <bilwilm@...> wrote:
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SO many ways to start looking, how hard is it to crank over by hand with no plugs..the starter has very hard copper like brushes that get stuck..the battery can read 6+, but whats it at while starting and after..I
still got a 6 volter but jumped up to 8 volts. I don't out run the head lights any more..
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Lopez <Cpezdog911@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, May 16, 2021 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Starting help and question…..
Rebuilt* starter,generator….. sorry
On May 16, 2021, at 8:40 PM, Michael Lopez via groups.io <Cpezdog911@...> wrote:
?46’ CJ2A, 6 volt……. Trying to start for first time(after engine rebuild) & am not making much progress. Starter,generator, 0/1 electrical cables, cleaned up battery terminals and grounds, battery registers 6+ volts. Tried to fire it up today
and just didn’t seem to have the oommmpppphhhh to fully turn over. Like a low battery but battery less than 1yr old and registering a little over 6amps. I’m trying to find a way to NOT fry my 6volt gauges and system yet give it a little more turnover juice….
HELP!!!!! Thanks,Mike
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The valves are in the block. How are they going to hit the pistons?
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On May 17, 2021, at 12:46 AM, jay <bitrootvz@...> wrote:
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Be careful you have the timing correct because you may have valves hitting pistons. With the plugs out you should be able to turn it over with a socket and ratchet.
On May 16, 2021, at 9:53 PM, "jeepeers85213 via groups.io" <bilwilm@...> wrote:
SO many ways to start looking, how hard is it to crank over by hand with no plugs..the starter has very hard copper like brushes that get stuck..the battery can read 6+, but whats it at while starting and after..I
still got a 6 volter but jumped up to 8 volts. I don't out run the head lights any more..
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Lopez < Cpezdog911@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, May 16, 2021 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Starting help and question…..
Rebuilt* starter,generator….. sorry
?46’ CJ2A, 6 volt……. Trying to start for first time(after engine rebuild) & am not making much progress. Starter,generator, 0/1 electrical cables, cleaned up battery terminals and grounds, battery registers 6+ volts. Tried to fire it up today
and just didn’t seem to have the oommmpppphhhh to fully turn over. Like a low battery but battery less than 1yr old and registering a little over 6amps. I’m trying to find a way to NOT fry my 6volt gauges and system yet give it a little more turnover juice….
HELP!!!!! Thanks,Mike
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Have you checked the battery with a load tester?? You could show 6 volts, but still have a low charge, if you don't have a load tester try charging it for a couple of hours and then try.? Also as others have said, pull the spark plugs and try to turn over the engine by hand, I have had cases where the mains were too tight when torqued to spec.? You could also remove the starter and test it out of the vehicle to check if it works correctly.?
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Rebuilt and or new parts could still be problematic.? I've been down that road before where that new or rebuilt part was defective and overlooked because it was supposedly "good" only to find it defective later.
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They won't I was mistaken.
On May 17, 2021 6:22 AM, Richard Needham <flappy59@...> wrote:
The valves are in the block. How are they going to hit the pistons?
Rich
On May 17, 2021, at 12:46 AM, jay <bitrootvz@...> wrote:
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Be careful you have the timing correct because you may have valves hitting pistons. With the plugs out you should be able to turn it over with a socket and ratchet.
On May 16, 2021, at 9:53 PM, "jeepeers85213 via groups.io" <bilwilm@...> wrote:
SO many ways to start looking, how hard is it to crank over by hand with no plugs..the starter has very hard copper like brushes that get stuck..the battery can read 6+, but whats it at while starting and after..I
still got a 6 volter but jumped up to 8 volts. I don't out run the head lights any more..
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Lopez < Cpezdog911@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, May 16, 2021 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Starting help and question…..
Rebuilt* starter,generator….. sorry
?46’ CJ2A, 6 volt……. Trying to start for first time(after engine rebuild) & am not making much progress. Starter,generator, 0/1 electrical cables, cleaned up battery terminals and grounds, battery registers 6+ volts. Tried to fire it up today
and just didn’t seem to have the oommmpppphhhh to fully turn over. Like a low battery but battery less than 1yr old and registering a little over 6amps. I’m trying to find a way to NOT fry my 6volt gauges and system yet give it a little more turnover juice….
HELP!!!!! Thanks,Mike
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Thanks for all your responses!!!! I’ll start by charging battery for a couple hours then removing plugs to hand crank. Starter should be good…..after rebuild he started the engine(I believe w/quick 12 volt jump) via my starter…….will update on any progress. Thanks again…..this message board has REALLY benefitted me thru these years of restoration……. Even though our numbers of posts have slowed, it’s great to know help is a touchscreen away……thanks again,Mike
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On May 17, 2021, at 10:04 AM, jay <bitrootvz@...> wrote:
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The last time l had a no start like you describe it was the timing. Try turning the distributor a little bit.
The valves are in the block. How are they going to hit the pistons?
Rich
On May 17, 2021, at 12:46 AM, jay <bitrootvz@...> wrote:
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Be careful you have the timing correct because you may have valves hitting pistons. With the plugs out you should be able to turn it over with a socket and ratchet.
On May 16, 2021, at 9:53 PM, "jeepeers85213 via groups.io" <bilwilm@...> wrote:
SO many ways to start looking, how hard is it to crank over by hand with no plugs..the starter has very hard copper like brushes that get stuck..the battery can read 6+, but whats it at while starting and after..I
still got a 6 volter but jumped up to 8 volts. I don't out run the head lights any more..
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Lopez < Cpezdog911@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, May 16, 2021 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Starting help and question…..
Rebuilt* starter,generator….. sorry
?46’ CJ2A, 6 volt……. Trying to start for first time(after engine rebuild) & am not making much progress. Starter,generator, 0/1 electrical cables, cleaned up battery terminals and grounds, battery registers 6+ volts. Tried to fire it up today
and just didn’t seem to have the oommmpppphhhh to fully turn over. Like a low battery but battery less than 1yr old and registering a little over 6amps. I’m trying to find a way to NOT fry my 6volt gauges and system yet give it a little more turnover juice….
HELP!!!!! Thanks,Mike
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Make sure all metal-to-metal contact areas are clean! Any paint or primer will impede electrical flow! Burnish everything! Sometimes when we restore, we tend to paint the hell out of everything to make it pretty, which is commendable, but the electrical contacts have to be clean metal! Just a thought! Good luck! -Dr.Phil
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Hi Phillip, Just a question regarding your suggestion to clean the metal for best electrical contact.? I am getting the lights working on my truck and have a question. For example, if you are removing paint from where say the light bracket attaches to the truck bed. Isn't the spot where the burnished pieces meet going to be more?susceptible?to corrosion? Is there a way to insure good electrical contact while guarding against corrosion? Thanks Ted
On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 7:49 PM Philip Cusimano < MadDogFife@...> wrote: Make sure all metal-to-metal contact areas are clean! Any paint or primer will impede electrical flow! Burnish everything! Sometimes when we restore, we tend to paint the hell out of everything to make it pretty, which is commendable, but the electrical contacts have to be clean metal! Just a thought! Good luck! -Dr.Phil
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And also can I get a checklist of areas to check for paint/corrosion removal for grounds? I know of braided wire on battery tray/engine and battery cable corrosion……but I’d bet there are several others I may have missed…..thanks, Mike
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On May 18, 2021, at 9:40 PM, Ted McCann <mccannrealty@...> wrote:
? Hi Phillip, Just a question regarding your suggestion to clean the metal for best electrical contact.? I am getting the lights working on my truck and have a question. For example, if you are removing paint from where say the light bracket attaches to the truck bed. Isn't the spot where the burnished pieces meet going to be more?susceptible?to corrosion? Is there a way to insure good electrical contact while guarding against corrosion? Thanks Ted On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 7:49 PM Philip Cusimano < MadDogFife@...> wrote: Make sure all metal-to-metal contact areas are clean! Any paint or primer will impede electrical flow! Burnish everything! Sometimes when we restore, we tend to paint the hell out of everything to make it pretty, which is commendable, but the electrical contacts have to be clean metal! Just a thought! Good luck! -Dr.Phil
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