Yes it did..... Dr.Vern doesn't bug him about it anymore?
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Aging has likely dulled my memory and I seem to recall that several years ago you had a humorous and sometimes biting exchange with Dr. Vern about the "spongy" brakes on your Willys Wagon.? Did that problem get resolved?
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Thanks for the comments Strud,
Yes, our wagon is 4WD model,with Herm's dual master cylinder and Chevy front discs (stock Willys drums at the back). ?All hard lines and flex hoses are "new". ?I installed a one way valve (was it 10 lbs?) in the rear circuit but didn't install one on the front because i read that the MC already had that valve built in. ?Perhaps that was wrong... ?I had a proportioning valve (Combination valve from a CJ) installed, but removed it.
Next summer, I'll attack the problem again.
All the best, Pavel up north.
ps: I'll start a thread on my crazy shenanigans while upgrading to a (true) 4 speed soon. ?now that was a bit of work!
On 2019-12-16, at 4:42 PM, Scott Strudwick wrote: PUN, I had the same issue on my 53 pickup. I installed a dual reservoir master cylinder with the kit from Herm the Overdrive Guy and a self-adjusting drum brake kit on all 4 corners. The brakes are awesome. Nice firm pedal and all. Also, is BlueBell a 2wd or 4wd? If it’s a 2wd with planar suspension, JeepsterMan has a front disc kit which includes new spindles the whole setup. Not sure if the dual res master cyl kit will fit on vehicles with the planar suspension as I plan on doing it with my 1950 jeepster. You might just need to add a proportioning valve on the front disc. Just another opinion. ? Another check on spongy brakes could be the brake lines. Are they new? Old rubber lines could be expanding as they age. ? ? ? No, the problem persists in my opinion. ?About 4 years ago I took the Willys to a local shop (still run by an old guy) to have a "safety check" done. ?Now I should say at the outset here, safety and these Willys vehicles don't belong in the same sentence... still, the old fellow checked the vehicle over, tightened U-bolts, adjusted here and there but said the brakes were working normally! ?I pressed him about his analysis but he repeated that the sub-floor position of the master cylinder has its limitations. ?I didn't accept his comments but, it dawned on me that I might be expecting too much from the old girl... ?One change made was the removal of the "combination valve" in my various attempts to firm up the pedal. ?I should put it back as the removal made no difference.? Drove "Bluebell" for a few days last summer and got our son to take the wheel. ?Judging by the expression on his face, he found the difference between his Nissan Leaf and an old Willys to be dramatic in city traffic. Cheers and Merry Christmas! ?Pavel up north. ? On 2019-12-16, at 10:20 AM, Rod Frey wrote:
PUN: Pavel up North
Aging has likely dulled my memory and I seem to recall that several years ago you had a humorous and sometimes biting exchange with Dr. Vern about the "spongy" brakes on your Willys Wagon.? Did that problem get resolved?
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PUN, I had the same issue on my 53 pickup. I installed a dual reservoir master cylinder with the kit from Herm the Overdrive Guy and a self-adjusting drum brake kit on all 4 corners. The brakes are awesome. Nice firm pedal and all. Also, is BlueBell a 2wd or 4wd? If it’s a 2wd with planar suspension, JeepsterMan has a front disc kit which includes new spindles the whole setup. Not sure if the dual res master cyl kit will fit on vehicles with the planar suspension as I plan on doing it with my 1950 jeepster. You might just need to add a proportioning valve on the front disc. Just another opinion. ? Another check on spongy brakes could be the brake lines. Are they new? Old rubber lines could be expanding as they age. ? Scott "Strud" Strudwick scott@... ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of willyswagon230 Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 12:53 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Spongy Brakes: PUN ? No, the problem persists in my opinion. ?About 4 years ago I took the Willys to a local shop (still run by an old guy) to have a "safety check" done. ?Now I should say at the outset here, safety and these Willys vehicles don't belong in the same sentence... still, the old fellow checked the vehicle over, tightened U-bolts, adjusted here and there but said the brakes were working normally! ?I pressed him about his analysis but he repeated that the sub-floor position of the master cylinder has its limitations. ?I didn't accept his comments but, it dawned on me that I might be expecting too much from the old girl... ?One change made was the removal of the "combination valve" in my various attempts to firm up the pedal. ?I should put it back as the removal made no difference.? Drove "Bluebell" for a few days last summer and got our son to take the wheel. ?Judging by the expression on his face, he found the difference between his Nissan Leaf and an old Willys to be dramatic in city traffic. Cheers and Merry Christmas! ?Pavel up north. ? On 2019-12-16, at 10:20 AM, Rod Frey wrote:
PUN: Pavel up North
Aging has likely dulled my memory and I seem to recall that several years ago you had a humorous and sometimes biting exchange with Dr. Vern about the "spongy" brakes on your Willys Wagon.? Did that problem get resolved?
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No, the problem persists in my opinion. ?About 4 years ago I took the Willys to a local shop (still run by an old guy) to have a "safety check" done. ?Now I should say at the outset here, safety and these Willys vehicles don't belong in the same sentence... still, the old fellow checked the vehicle over, tightened U-bolts, adjusted here and there but said the brakes were working normally! ?I pressed him about his analysis but he repeated that the sub-floor position of the master cylinder has its limitations. ?I didn't accept his comments but, it dawned on me that I might be expecting too much from the old girl... ?One change made was the removal of the "combination valve" in my various attempts to firm up the pedal. ?I should put it back as the removal made no difference.? Drove "Bluebell" for a few days last summer and got our son to take the wheel. ?Judging by the expression on his face, he found the difference between his Nissan Leaf and an old Willys to be dramatic in city traffic.
Cheers and Merry Christmas! ?Pavel up north.
On 2019-12-16, at 10:20 AM, Rod Frey wrote: PUN: Pavel up North
Aging has likely dulled my memory and I seem to recall that several years ago you had a humorous and sometimes biting exchange with Dr. Vern about the "spongy" brakes on your Willys Wagon.? Did that problem get resolved?
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PUN: Pavel up North
Aging has likely dulled my memory and I seem to recall that several years ago you had a humorous and sometimes biting exchange with Dr. Vern about the "spongy" brakes on your Willys Wagon.? Did that problem get resolved?
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On 12/16/2019 9:16 AM, AWORKOFMARC
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Another smart?person moves out of S. Cal.!? Good for you
John!? Once the job I’m on now fades or ends... I’m out of here
(Los Angeles) too, don't know where but someplace out of CA.
In the mean time... Just had the top of the engine done of my
Soulmate...? only to find out after it was all back together the
bottom half needed rebuilding. Yes, I know it's not a Willys
thru and thru --but Willys enough where it counts. Hah.? The
engine was from a Corvette 66, completely rebuilt now
--including the original color orange paint my mechanic friend
insisted on... Gear heads are an odd lot sometimes. :)
Only days away from
dressing her up in
Christmas garb again!?
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You should check out the Great North West. Gas is priced much
better plus my Wrangler gets about 2 mpg better than Calif gas.
Then there's real estate prices. I bought a 1700 sq ft house on
1.31 acres covered with trees, fully fenced with a gated drive,
large 2 car garage and a 1550 sq ft shop. I couldn't touch it in
Calif.
MWC: Your engine looks nice. Those valve covers give it an old
school look that will fit the Willys. I've got the rams horn
exhaust manifolds on Tinker Toy. I made a 1" thick spacer block
that allowed me to use a die grinder to blend the exhaust out to 2
1/2" diameter tubing. The block tapered from 2 3/8" at the
manifold to 2 1/2" at the pipe. I blended from up inside the
manifold down to the spacer block. There's plenty of material in
there. I noticed an increase in power over the headers I was
running and they don't leak. Mopar makes a 2 bolt 2 1/2" exhaust
gasket that works for that.
John
56 Pickup TKER TOY
Graham, Wash.
On 12/16/2019 8:16 AM, AWORKOFMARC
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Another smart?person moves out of S. Cal.!? Good for you
John!? Once the job I’m on now fades or ends... I’m out of here
(Los Angeles) too, don't know where but someplace out of CA.
In the mean time... Just had the top of the engine done of my
Soulmate...? only to find out after it was all back together the
bottom half needed rebuilding. Yes, I know it's not a Willys
thru and thru --but Willys enough where it counts. Hah.? The
engine was from a Corvette 66, completely rebuilt now
--including the original color orange paint my mechanic friend
insisted on... Gear heads are an odd lot sometimes. :)
Only days away from
dressing her up in
Christmas garb again!?
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Another smart?person moves out of S. Cal.!? Good for you John!? Once the job I’m on now fades or ends... I’m out of here (Los Angeles) too, don't know where but someplace out of CA.
In the mean time... Just had the top of the engine done of my Soulmate...? only to find out after it was all back together the bottom half needed rebuilding. Yes, I know it's not a Willys thru and thru --but Willys enough where it counts. Hah.? The engine was from a Corvette 66, completely rebuilt now --including the original color orange paint my mechanic friend insisted on... Gear heads are an odd lot sometimes. :)
Only days away from dressing her up in Christmas garb again!?
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Your collection is growing quite nicely. I've been wanting to
stop in but it seems like every time I go through Weed it's either
early in the morning or late at night. Once I finish moving I hope
to have more time. My house closes escrow on the 27th and I will
be making one more trip to So Cal at the end of January to arrange
to have Tinker Toy and the 3 project cars shipped up here.
John
56 Pickup TKER TOY
Graham, Wash.
On 12/15/2019 9:59 PM, Benjamin Deasis
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I still have my wagons. How bout you?
Nice to see you posting again. I’m up near Mt Shasta now. 
I’m good. Still have some life in this one!?
Who still has one?
Matt in San Jose, ca?
‘51 pickup (still WIP)
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I still have my wagons. How bout you? Nice to see you posting again. I’m up near Mt Shasta now. 
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I’m good. Still have some life in this one!? Who still has one? Matt in San Jose, ca? ‘51 pickup (still WIP)
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I’m good. Still have some life in this one!? Who still has one? Matt in San Jose, ca? ‘51 pickup (still WIP)
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First, a test to see if the pictures are bigger.? This is of my wagon's first paint job in 1972. My friend Mike, pictured, ran the gun; I picked the pine needles out of the paint as we went.?? I think, by this time, the engine had endured a shade tree overhaul,
and no longer burned a quart of oil every 60 miles, as it did when purchased- for $200.
Of note, if you want to post several pictures, you can upload them to an album, and? then send a link to the album in an email message to the group, if you want.?? Also, pictures attached to messages are included in the first album if you want to look at them
again.
Second, working on turning off emails from the old system.???
Third, still looking for additional moderators or "owners".? The job, primarily, is to review and approve the first message from a new members, and to deal with anything excessively? weird that comes up.? I'm a single point of failure at the moment.
Dan
-- Dan 53 2wd Wagon Eugene, OR
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How do I go about paying you? for 2 hats ?
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Thanks for those that have Paypal-ed the money.
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Happy to announce that enough caps have sold now that I can actually commit
to placing the order on Monday.? At least I’ll break even.  ?
Not sure the turn around time of the Embroider but if it’s like last time
should be ready within the week.?
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So it’s safe to say you can expect them just after Christmas.
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I will announce when I get them with pictures
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All the ebst,
Marc W.
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HERE PLEASE
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IMPORTANT –IF YOU PAYPAL IT PLEASE SEND IT AS A GIFT AND NOT AS A
SERVICE –OTHERWISE ADD THAT SERVICE FEE ON TOP OF THE ACTUAL COST! ALSO INCLUDE
YOUR EMAIL PLEASE AND AGAIN ----------- YOUR PHYSICAL ADDRESS!?
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Thanks for sharing the info on the mirrors.
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On Dec 12, 2019, at 8:39 AM, corykilvert via Groups.Io < corykilvert@...> wrote:
You know, I drove the truck for 7 years with no mirrors, then got around to adding them. I did have the stock clip on's from Walck's, reproductions, but they rattled and ended up chipping some paint. Plus, very limited vision. After looking at some other trucks and wagons online, I sourced mirrors called west coast jr's. They are adjustable and worked out great. Don't know the company name, just west coast junior's. Got them from my local auto store.
On Thursday, December 12, 2019, 11:16:01 AM EST, Ted McCann < mccannrealty@...> wrote:
Nice!
Where did you get those side mirrors?
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You know, I drove the truck for 7 years with no mirrors, then got around to adding them. I did have the stock clip on's from Walck's, reproductions, but they rattled and ended up chipping some paint. Plus, very limited vision. After looking at some other trucks and wagons online, I sourced mirrors called west coast jr's. They are adjustable and worked out great. Don't know the company name, just west coast junior's. Got them from my local auto store.
On Thursday, December 12, 2019, 11:16:01 AM EST, Ted McCann <mccannrealty@...> wrote:
Nice!
Where did you get those side mirrors?
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Re: ATTENTION DAN - PICK YOUR HAT COLOR PLEASE
Dan Mulholland
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Please private me your mailing address.? Your (choice of color) cap is on me for resuscitating this fabulous list!
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LMK --- Black, Olive Khaki, Yellow...?are the main ones but any color you want really.? See attached.?
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Nice!
Where did you get those side mirrors?
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SERVICE –OTHERWISE ADD THAT SERVICE FEE ON TOP OF THE ACTUAL COST! ALSO INCLUDE
YOUR EMAIL PLEASE AND AGAIN ----------- YOUR PHYSICAL ADDRESS!!!?
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If not I will refund your payment because I can’t afford Paypal hacking a
percentage off the top!?
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YANCY here shoot me your address and i will send you the money asap i will
take 3 that way it will help with the order !!!!!!!!!! & i will pass this
along to a few buddys that mine have not been on the page when it went down
!!!!!!!!!!
On 12/11/2019 10:16 PM, AWORKOFMARC wrote:
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Ok.. while we’re still a bit away from the minimum order of 30 (I think
we’re at like 24)? –I talked the owner into an agreement that he charges
more per cap and I only have to buy 30 of them INSTEAD OF 48.?
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So I guess the best way to work this is if you still want a cap you can
paypal to my email address $26. + 4.50 shipping. If you’re buying two add
another $1.00 for shipping. I haven’t factored in the cost of padded packing
envelops but can’t be that much.
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I have to order them yet..... I need OVER half the orders/$ in before I
foot the rest (on a hope that those who committed to ordering actually DO
follow thru...)
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IMPORTANT
–MAKE SURE YOU PLEASE TELL ME YOUR COLOR CHOICE AGAIN IN YOUR PAYPAL NOTE
ALONG WITH YOUR MAILING ADDRESS!!!!
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If you’d prefer to mail the check please understand I have to deposit
that and wait till it clears before sending your cap.? Shoot me a message
and I’ll send you my physical address.
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I will do my BEST or fulfill the colors you want of the most popular
Black, Olive, Khaki and Yellow. The more orders paid with color choices the
accurate I can order all of them.
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I’ll keep y’all posted.
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#poll
YANCY here shoot me your address and i will send you the money
asap i will take 3 that way it will help with the order !!!!!!!!!!
& i will pass this along to a few buddys that mine have not
been on the page when it went down !!!!!!!!!!
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Ok.. while we’re still a bit away from the minimum order of
30 (I think we’re at like 24) ?–I talked the?owner into an
agreement?that he?charges more per cap and I only have to buy 30
of them INSTEAD OF 48.??
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So I guess the best way to work this is if you still?want a
cap you can paypal to?my email?address $26. + 4.50 shipping. If
you’re buying two add another $1.00 for shipping. I haven’t
factored in the cost of padded packing?envelops but can’t be
that much.
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I have to order them yet.....?I need?OVER?half the orders/$
in before I foot the rest (on a hope that those who committed to
ordering actually DO follow thru...)?
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IMPORTANT?–MAKE
SURE YOU PLEASE TELL ME YOUR COLOR CHOICE AGAIN IN YOUR
PAYPAL NOTE ALONG WITH YOUR MAILING ADDRESS!!!!
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If you’d prefer to mail the check please understand I have to
deposit that and wait till it clears before sending your cap.?
Shoot me a message and I’ll send you my physical address.
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I will do my BEST or fulfill the colors you want of the most
popular?Black, Olive, Khaki and Yellow.?The more orders paid
with color choices?the accurate I can order all of them.
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I’ll keep y’all posted.?
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