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Re: [WT] CJ2a Chassis ... is it heat treated ?
Tony G
are ladders and made to flex some. Done exactly that , made a 10" long plate to fit inside the chassis rail then plug welded it , the chassis twisted in the 1st lace as 1. I have jumped FrankenJeep on occassions 2. There was an accumlation of mud/crud inside that part of the chassis rail and it had corroded away 50% of the chassis wall in that area causing it to weaken. I had to cut the plate out , what was inside there wouldn't come out with a pressure blaster it had baked into a solid mass I had the same thought about the chassis rails getting their strength during the rolling process Thanks all Regards Tony G |
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Re: Fork-n-Jeep?
rick48cj2a
Every one should take a look at this thing. For an easy search it was
Ebay # 260161885212 and is now closed. I vote for cool. Somebody put a tone of work into this Fork-n-Jeep. It would have made a great construction site fork lift. --- In WillysTech@..., "Joe" <myascape@...> wrote: Conversion_W0QQitemZ260161885212QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6280QQssPageNameZWDV WQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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Re: t90/18 combo for sale
Hey it's really great that you have a few items for sale.
But where on god's earth might you and those parts be ??? Useless info from you if the geographical part is left out of your detailed posting. Enquiring minds want to know ! Robbo _ I could be your closest neighbor , if I just knew where you were ! |
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Newbee Questions...
kb1zq
Hi, I am new to this board and looking for some information...
I am in the process of aquiring a '51 Willys Wagon... and am looking to find a parts manual for it... I have restored a '52 Willys/Ford M-38CDN and so am used to the military manuals. But, I have found having a parts manual handy during tear down is helpful to see if there is something missing that needs to be replaced down the road prior to rebuild. Also having the correct part number and reference make sure you are asking for the correct part... Plan is to restore the Wagon to original configuration and go from there... Any advice is welcome... Hal OKC, OK |
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Re: Tell-tale light wiring...
The high beam term goes to the the termenal on the dimmer switch the
other goes to the light on the dash that tells you the high beams are on. --- In WillysTech@..., cpezdog911@... wrote: a question about the tell-tale light wiring.....this wire is blue,noindicator) light.I cant figure out where the other end connects to....on my verbalschematic,it says it connects to"HIGH BEAM TERM (INDICATOR LIGHT)". The other end isconnected to what is stated as "HIGH BEAM INDICATOR ON DASHBOARD". I`m a LOTelectrically challenged anyways,but this one really has me stumped!! Any helpyou guys can provide may just have me up and running(I know,Iknow,it would runw/o,but then I would NEVER take care of it!) Thanks again.....Mike
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The story of Jeep Thursday 9/27/07 at 8:00pm Eastern Time on PBS
The subject says it all
Ric -. Toledo, Ohio Home of the World Famous JeepR 1948 - CJ2A L134 - #149488 - Mighty Mo 1948 - CJ2A L134 - #156174 - Ole Blue 1948 - CJ2A 225 V6 - #184134 - Willy 1950 - T3-C - #16517 Bantam Trailer. 1953 - CJ3A L134 453-GB1-18612 1963-5? - Wagoneer 1982 - M416 - Still 24 Volt 1989 - XJ - Cherokee Laredo -4.0L 2004 - Dodge Durango 4x4 w/car trailer - WRV(tm) - Willys Recovery Vehicle Never Forget September 11, 2001 Freedom isn't free <> ** ** Constants Aren't **** ** Variables Won't **** ** |
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Tell-tale light wiring...
Getting close to finishing my `46 2A wiring and firing it up.Have a question
about the tell-tale light wiring.....this wire is blue,no tracers....obviously one end connects to the tell-tale (high beam indicator) light.I cant figure out where the other end connects to....on my verbal schematic,it says it connects to"HIGH BEAM TERM (INDICATOR LIGHT)". The other end is connected to what is stated as "HIGH BEAM INDICATOR ON DASHBOARD". I`m a LOT electrically challenged anyways,but this one really has me stumped!! Any help you guys can provide may just have me up and running(I know,Iknow,it would run w/o,but then I would NEVER take care of it!) Thanks again.....Mike *** See what's new at |
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Re: [WT] CJ2a Chassis ... is it heat treated ?
That is exactly the same thing I did when I ran the Dusy and Rubicon in the
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same week a couple of years ago. The damage was done on the Dusy. I kept hearing a snapping noise under the Willys, but I could never find it. It finally broke at the top of Cadillac hill, 9 miles from my trailer and tow rig. I was able to get it back and on the trailer under it's own power. In my case the spring hanger tore a chunk out of the frame. I fixed it by welding the chunk back into the frame, boxing the inside of the frame and fish plating the bottom of the frame before re-welding the spring hanger back on. Ain't it fun :) Dan Williams 51 CJ3A ----- Original Message -----
From: "SF" <sf@...> To: <WillysTech@...> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [WT] CJ2a Chassis ... is it heat treated ? I just got back from the Dusy. Near the end of the trail, I tore off the rear spring mount off the drivers side. The steel had been broken there for some time it looks like. If that had been heat treated, it would have been broken off a long time ago. SF ----- Original Message ----- From: John Barrett To: WillysTech@... Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [WT] CJ2a Chassis ... is it heat treated ? Steels of this type are normally furnished in the hot rolled or annealed condition to minimum mechanical properties. They are not intended for quenching and tempering. It sounds like hot rolled mild steel. Annealed means that it is in a soft non-hardened condition. If steel is hardened you can have it annealed to soften it so it will be machinable. Annealing is a form of heat treating so if the steel has been annealed it has been heat treated to a softened condition. These old Jeeps were designed to flex and if the frame was heat treated to a hardened condition there would be a lot more problems with cracks. Of coarse I could be wrong. It's been a few years since I've done the heat treating for my shop. John '56 Pickup TKER TOY Cherry Valley, Calif. Tony G wrote: > > SAE 950 is a high strength low alloy steel HSLA for short used in the > auto industry for chassis and bumpers , GMC truck chassis for example > > >From > <> > > SAE 950 is a high strength, low allow steel. Here are some details: > This type of steel has enhanced > mechanical properties and, in most cases, good resistance to > atmospheric corrosion are obtained by the > addition of moderate amounts of one or more alloying elements other > than carbon. Steels of this type are > normally furnished in the hot rolled or annealed condition to minimum > mechanical properties. They are > not intended for quenching and tempering. Where these steels are used > for fabrication by welding, no > preheat or postheat is required. These steels may be obtained in the > standard shapes or forms normally > available in carbon steel. This steel has a high strength-to -weight > ratio. Typical applications are > automotive bumper face bars, truck bodies, frames and structural > members. > Properties: (for material thickness up to 1/2") > Minimum yield point: 50,000 psi > Minimum tensile strength: 70,000 psi > Info from Machinery's Handbook. (Larry Price 12-30-99) > > BUT IT STILL DOESNT SAY IF ITS HEAT TREATED > > Can any auto engineers shed light on this ? > > Regards > > Tony G > Jakarta , Indonesia > > --- In WillysTech@... > <mailto:WillysTech%40yahoogroups.com>, John Wickersham <johnwick@...> > wrote: > > > > Somewhere in a Willys manual (I forget where) I remember it warning > about over-heating the frame when making repairs. It described the > danger as "taking the life out of the metal." Does that suggest > anything about the nature of the steel being used? > > > > Pineneedle > > > > Tony G <tonyg@...> wrote: > > Thanks all > > > > SAE950 > > > > This is what I found on > > > > > <> > > > > "950 is the old designation according to SAE J1392. The new > > designation is 340 according to SAE J2340. The UTS is specified to > > be a minimum of 410 MPa. n-value is not a requirement of this > > standard, and its value will change with strain. The following > > presentation from US Steel shows some data for HSLA 340 steel: > > > > > <> > > Section=Home&TEMPLATE=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&CONTENTFILEID=971 > > " > > > > I tried filing the steel and I got to say I think there is some > form > > of mild heat treatment , I haven't digested the above onfo yet > > > > Regards > > > > Tony G > > Jakarta , Indonesia > > > > --- In WillysTech@... > <mailto:WillysTech%40yahoogroups.com>, John Barrett <jbarrettII@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Tony, > > > > > > Good to hear from you again. You don't seem to make it to this > site > > much > > > anymore. > > > > > > I don't believe that the frame is heat treated. If it was nobody > > would > > > be able to do any welding or repairs on them without creating > weak > > > spots. You should be just fine with the work you've done. > However, > > if > > > I'm wrong David and Landen will let us both know about it. ;-) > > > > > > BTW: what happened to the pictures section of your Java Jeep web > > site? > > > It seems to have gone away. > > > > > > John > > > '56 Pickup TKER TOY > > > Cherry Valley, Calif. > > > > > > Tony G wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear WTers > > > > > > > > I am doing a long overdue rebuild of FrankenJeep , my CJ2a / MB > > > > conglomeration > > > > > > > > The left hand front part of the chassis had a twist and a bend > in > > it > > > > which wouldn't come right with a hydraulic ram only and we had > a > > heat > > > > up a small 6 inch section of chassis (where it kicks up from the > > > > horizontal near where the clutch would sit) to get it to the > right > > > > position > > > > > > > > The question is ... is the chassis heat treated in anyway ? > > > > > > > > If yes how can I restore heat treatment to that section on the > > chassis ? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tony G > > > > > > > > Jakarta , Indonesia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Support WillysTech -- Check out the WT Bookstore _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ WillysTech _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ WillysTech Parts Board - Sell/Buy Vehicles and Parts WillysTech Registry - Add your vehicle WillysTech KnowledgeBase - Search the Archives _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Yahoo! 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Re: [WT] CJ2a Chassis ... is it heat treated ?
SF
I just got back from the Dusy. Near the end of the trail, I tore off the rear spring mount off the drivers side. The steel had been broken there for some time it looks like. If that had been heat treated, it would have been broken off a long time ago.
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From: John Barrett To: WillysTech@... Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [WT] CJ2a Chassis ... is it heat treated ? Steels of this type are normally furnished in the hot rolled or annealed condition to minimum mechanical properties. They are not intended for quenching and tempering. It sounds like hot rolled mild steel. Annealed means that it is in a soft non-hardened condition. If steel is hardened you can have it annealed to soften it so it will be machinable. Annealing is a form of heat treating so if the steel has been annealed it has been heat treated to a softened condition. These old Jeeps were designed to flex and if the frame was heat treated to a hardened condition there would be a lot more problems with cracks. Of coarse I could be wrong. It's been a few years since I've done the heat treating for my shop. John '56 Pickup TKER TOY Cherry Valley, Calif. Tony G wrote: > > SAE 950 is a high strength low alloy steel HSLA for short used in the > auto industry for chassis and bumpers , GMC truck chassis for example > > >From > <> > > SAE 950 is a high strength, low allow steel. Here are some details: > This type of steel has enhanced > mechanical properties and, in most cases, good resistance to > atmospheric corrosion are obtained by the > addition of moderate amounts of one or more alloying elements other > than carbon. Steels of this type are > normally furnished in the hot rolled or annealed condition to minimum > mechanical properties. They are > not intended for quenching and tempering. Where these steels are used > for fabrication by welding, no > preheat or postheat is required. These steels may be obtained in the > standard shapes or forms normally > available in carbon steel. This steel has a high strength-to -weight > ratio. Typical applications are > automotive bumper face bars, truck bodies, frames and structural > members. > Properties: (for material thickness up to 1/2") > Minimum yield point: 50,000 psi > Minimum tensile strength: 70,000 psi > Info from Machinery's Handbook. (Larry Price 12-30-99) > > BUT IT STILL DOESNT SAY IF ITS HEAT TREATED > > Can any auto engineers shed light on this ? > > Regards > > Tony G > Jakarta , Indonesia > > --- In WillysTech@... > <mailto:WillysTech%40yahoogroups.com>, John Wickersham <johnwick@...> > wrote: > > > > Somewhere in a Willys manual (I forget where) I remember it warning > about over-heating the frame when making repairs. It described the > danger as "taking the life out of the metal." Does that suggest > anything about the nature of the steel being used? > > > > Pineneedle > > > > Tony G <tonyg@...> wrote: > > Thanks all > > > > SAE950 > > > > This is what I found on > > > > > <> > > > > "950 is the old designation according to SAE J1392. The new > > designation is 340 according to SAE J2340. The UTS is specified to > > be a minimum of 410 MPa. n-value is not a requirement of this > > standard, and its value will change with strain. The following > > presentation from US Steel shows some data for HSLA 340 steel: > > > > > <> > > Section=Home&TEMPLATE=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&CONTENTFILEID=971 > > " > > > > I tried filing the steel and I got to say I think there is some > form > > of mild heat treatment , I haven't digested the above onfo yet > > > > Regards > > > > Tony G > > Jakarta , Indonesia > > > > --- In WillysTech@... > <mailto:WillysTech%40yahoogroups.com>, John Barrett <jbarrettII@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Tony, > > > > > > Good to hear from you again. You don't seem to make it to this > site > > much > > > anymore. > > > > > > I don't believe that the frame is heat treated. If it was nobody > > would > > > be able to do any welding or repairs on them without creating > weak > > > spots. You should be just fine with the work you've done. > However, > > if > > > I'm wrong David and Landen will let us both know about it. ;-) > > > > > > BTW: what happened to the pictures section of your Java Jeep web > > site? > > > It seems to have gone away. > > > > > > John > > > '56 Pickup TKER TOY > > > Cherry Valley, Calif. > > > > > > Tony G wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear WTers > > > > > > > > I am doing a long overdue rebuild of FrankenJeep , my CJ2a / MB > > > > conglomeration > > > > > > > > The left hand front part of the chassis had a twist and a bend > in > > it > > > > which wouldn't come right with a hydraulic ram only and we had > a > > heat > > > > up a small 6 inch section of chassis (where it kicks up from the > > > > horizontal near where the clutch would sit) to get it to the > right > > > > position > > > > > > > > The question is ... is the chassis heat treated in anyway ? > > > > > > > > If yes how can I restore heat treatment to that section on the > > chassis ? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tony G > > > > > > > > Jakarta , Indonesia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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parts and photos of 1945 jeep mb
alexande1r
helo,
i got the mb home today and it came with a box full of original parts that were taken off the vehicle to accomodate changes that were made over the years. there is no real damage other than a lot of holes for the new changes. what i am looking for is the headlight buckets and hinge panels to hold the buckets in place. for my real questions of the day-- which manuals should i buy? and where can i get new or original parts? i used walck's for my pick up, but i don't know about an mb. is the ignition switch keyed, or is it a lever? i'll take any help i can get as i don't have a "grip" on the mb world as of yet. thank you, alex p.s. does anyone have the faric patterns for the seat covers? |
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231 conversion/radiator question
Ray Johnson
Need a little help. I am installing a Buick 231 in my 48 pickup and would like to know what others have done for a radiator and how they mounted it. The stock flat head four radiator mounts inside the front crossmember and does not allow enough room to use an engine mounted fan and the inlet and outlets are positioned wrong for the 231. The shround that mounts to the grill may have to be cut back to mount a radiator above the crossmember but before I go down that path I'd like to know what other possibilties exist. Any ideas, comments or pictures would be appreciated.
Thanks, Ray Ray Johnson --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. |
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Re: [WT] CJ2a Chassis ... is it heat treated ?
John Barrett
Steels of this type are
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normally furnished in the hot rolled or annealed condition to minimum mechanical properties. They are not intended for quenching and tempering. It sounds like hot rolled mild steel. Annealed means that it is in a soft non-hardened condition. If steel is hardened you can have it annealed to soften it so it will be machinable. Annealing is a form of heat treating so if the steel has been annealed it has been heat treated to a softened condition. These old Jeeps were designed to flex and if the frame was heat treated to a hardened condition there would be a lot more problems with cracks. Of coarse I could be wrong. It's been a few years since I've done the heat treating for my shop. John '56 Pickup TKER TOY Cherry Valley, Calif. Tony G wrote:
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Re: [WT] CJ2a Chassis ... is it heat treated ?
GuyW
The factory might have been acknowledging the "fact" that the frames were somewhat work-hardened by stamping (?)
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From: "Mighty Mo" <cj2a@...> To: <WillysTech@...> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: RE: [WT] CJ2a Chassis ... is it heat treated ? The statement |
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Re: [WT] CJ2a Chassis ... is it heat treated ?
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<snip> They are not intended for quenching and tempering. Where these steels are used for fabrication by welding, no preheat or postheat is required. <snip> States they are NOT intended for heat treat and when welded no special attention is needed. However this comment suggests "excessive heat will weaken it" <snip> Per 1948/49 Willys Mechanics Manual: -- Straightening Frame In case the bending or twisting of the frame is not excessive, it may be straightened. This should be done cold, as excessive heat applied to the frame will weaken it. For this reason it is recommended that badly damaged frame parts be replaced. <snip> I might do some reinforcing in the area. Just remember these frames are ladders and made to flex some. Ric -. Toledo, Ohio Home of the World Famous JeepR 1948 - CJ2A L134 - #149488 - Mighty Mo 1948 - CJ2A L134 - #156174 - Ole Blue 1948 - CJ2A 225 V6 - #184134 - Willy 1950 - T3-C - #16517 Bantam Trailer. 1953 - CJ3A L134 453-GB1-18612 1963-5? - Wagoneer 1982 - M416 - Still 24 Volt 1989 - XJ - Cherokee Laredo -4.0L 2004 - Dodge Durango 4x4 w/car trailer - WRV(tm) - Willys Recovery Vehicle Never Forget September 11, 2001 Freedom isn't free <> ** ** Constants Aren't **** ** Variables Won't **** ** _____ From: WillysTech@... [mailto:WillysTech@...] On Behalf Of Tony G Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:40 AM To: WillysTech@... Subject: Re: [WT] CJ2a Chassis ... is it heat treated ? SAE 950 is a high strength low alloy steel HSLA for short used in the auto industry for chassis and bumpers , GMC truck chassis for example From <> ia.com/~eagle/faq.html SAE 950 is a high strength, low allow steel. Here are some details: This type of steel has enhanced mechanical properties and, in most cases, good resistance to atmospheric corrosion are obtained by the addition of moderate amounts of one or more alloying elements other than carbon. Steels of this type are normally furnished in the hot rolled or annealed condition to minimum mechanical properties. They are not intended for quenching and tempering. Where these steels are used for fabrication by welding, no preheat or postheat is required. These steels may be obtained in the standard shapes or forms normally available in carbon steel. This steel has a high strength-to -weight ratio. Typical applications are automotive bumper face bars, truck bodies, frames and structural members. Properties: (for material thickness up to 1/2") Minimum yield point: 50,000 psi Minimum tensile strength: 70,000 psi Info from Machinery's Handbook. (Larry Price 12-30-99) BUT IT STILL DOESNT SAY IF ITS HEAT TREATED Can any auto engineers shed light on this ? Regards Tony G Jakarta , Indonesia --- In WillysTech@yahoogro <mailto:WillysTech%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com, John Wickersham <johnwick@...> wrote: about over-heating the frame when making repairs. It described the danger as "taking the life out of the metal." Does that suggest anything about the nature of the steel being used? tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=145184&page=1 l.org/AM/Template.cfm? Section=Home&TEMPLATE=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&CONTENTFILEID=971form of mild heat treatment , I haven't digested the above onfo yetJohn Barrett <jbarrettII@> wrote:site muchweakanymore.would However,spots. You should be just fine with the work you've done. ifinI'm wrong David and Landen will let us both know about it. ;-)site? itawhich wouldn't come right with a hydraulic ram only and we had heatrightup a small 6 inch section of chassis (where it kicks up from the chassis ?position |
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Re: [WT] Great Willys Day
William Kuran
Good for you Scott. Perhaps, because of you, someone else will decide to
save another Willys. Bill _____ From: WillysTech@... [mailto:WillysTech@...] On Behalf Of Scott Cherveny Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:53 PM To: WillysTech@... Subject: [WT] Great Willys Day Hi All, Just got home from the Robert Moses 6th annual Fire island Lighthouse preservation society sponsored car show. There were approx. 500 cars entered. I entered my 56 pick up and my 59 CJ5. These were the only Willys entered in the show. Needless to say I took first prize in the category. Still made me feel great. It was a beautiful day on the ocean here in New York Scott |
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