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Re: AutoReverse Modules
Hi Paul
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While researching circuit breakers and auto reversers, I came across this at Tony¡¯s. An article about auto reverser comparisons. In case you have not seen it, see it at: Marcus -----Original Message-----
From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On Behalf Of Marcus Ammann Sent: Saturday, 24 December 2005 12:22 PM To: WiringForDCC@... Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC] AutoReverse Modules Hi Paul As you have an NCE system, like me, for an auto reverse unit you must use a DCC manufacturer not the same as your system. NCE does not make any auto reversers and have them marketed under the NCE brand. There is no alternative. The Digitrax PM42 will most probably work on NCE, but if it required "adjustment", then this could only be done with a Digitrax throttle. For users of any DCC system, other than Digitrax, I would only buy units manufactured by anyone other than Digitrax. These include Tony's Train Exchange - PS Rev Power Shields. MRC's - AD520 and Lenz's - LK100. See Tony's site for details for auto reversers at: For using the auto reversers on return loops see the above site and Allan's site at: There are no cheap and simple solutions for "return loops" that operate automatically and "transparent". My recommendation for an auto reverser would be Tony's PS Rev. These are solid state electronic units. I have seen and others have reported problems with using mechanical relay types of auto reversers. They may cost a little more but they offer trouble free operation to everyone that uses them. Marcus. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 |
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Peco Setrack 100 for DCC
Dianna Lee Sharps
Open Question to the List,
I looked at wiring for DCC which has electro and insulat but nothing on setrack. I have them set frog to frog as a siding a meter in length. One side of the turnout no problem how the points are set. The other side is shorted when set to through. Any help or thoughts? Dianna Lee |
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Re: AutoReverse Modules
Doug Stuard
Yes, you do need a Digitrax throttle to configure the PM42. You
might be ablke to find an old DT100 or similar for a song, so it might not be that bad. If, however, you still can return the PM42, PowerShield and PSRev units from Tony's might be a better choice in your application. Doug Stuard --- In WiringForDCC@..., "Marcus Ammann" <mammann@o...> wrote: must use a DCC manufacturer not the same as your system. NCE does not make anyauto reversers and have them marketed under the NCE brand. There is nothrottle. units manufactured by anyone other than Digitrax. These include Tony'sTrain Exchange - PS Rev Power Shields. MRC's - AD520 and Lenz's - LK100.Allan's site at:operate automatically and "transparent".These are solid state electronic units. I have seen and others have reportedproblems with using mechanical relay types of auto reversers. They may costa little more but they offer trouble free operation to everyone that usesthem. AutoReverse Modulesareas and 1 turntable, this is why I was going to use the PM42. I'm using aNorthCoast Prothrottle to change any settings to make the PM42 an autoreverse module. Isthere any wayroute. brand as your control unit?Do you have any suggestions?12/23/2005 |
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Re: AutoReverse Modules
Hi Paul
As you have an NCE system, like me, for an auto reverse unit you must use a DCC manufacturer not the same as your system. NCE does not make any auto reversers and have them marketed under the NCE brand. There is no alternative. The Digitrax PM42 will most probably work on NCE, but if it required "adjustment", then this could only be done with a Digitrax throttle. For users of any DCC system, other than Digitrax, I would only buy units manufactured by anyone other than Digitrax. These include Tony's Train Exchange - PS Rev Power Shields. MRC's - AD520 and Lenz's - LK100. See Tony's site for details for auto reversers at: For using the auto reversers on return loops see the above site and Allan's site at: There are no cheap and simple solutions for "return loops" that operate automatically and "transparent". My recommendation for an auto reverser would be Tony's PS Rev. These are solid state electronic units. I have seen and others have reported problems with using mechanical relay types of auto reversers. They may cost a little more but they offer trouble free operation to everyone that uses them. Marcus. Original message Paul said on 23 December 2005 Subject: Re: [WiringForDCC] AutoReverse Modules Thanks for your replies. Yes, I actually have 3 auto-reverse areas and 1 turntable, this is why I was going to use the PM42. I'm using a NorthCoast Pro DCC unit. Reading the forum I think I would need a DigiTrax throttle to change any settings to make the PM42 an autoreverse module. Is there any way around this using the Northcoast since I've already purchased it? I still have the option to return the PM42 and go a different route. Is it better with DCC to stay with the products that are the same brand as your control unit? Marcus, I will be using the autoreverse module as a return loop. Do you have any suggestions? Paul -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.5/212 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 |
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Re: AutoReverse Modules
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It depends on whether your sections of track that need voltage polarity reversing, enter and exit by the same turnout or different turnouts. For a section that enters and exits the same turnout, I call this a reverse loop. For a section that enters and exits by DIFFERENT turnouts, I call this a return loop. Auto reversers are expensive, so for the "reverse loop" I use a DPST (double pole single through) switch or a relay that is connected to the operating throw bar of a turnout. The train enters the reverse loop and to exit the reverse loop you will have to operate the turnout. This is normal. Operating the turnout will also operate the switch/relay that will change the polarity of the track voltage. The train will continue as if nothing happened. So for a loop that is used for changing the direction of the train a switch will achieve the same as an auto reverser. The "return loop" is a different proposition due to the layout construction. The return loop may be at the end of a yard where either the yard or the return loop voltage polarity has to be reversed. This can only be done automatically and easily by using an Auto reverser. Turntables are another example where an auto reverser and not a switch must be used. More information can be obtained by reading Allan's "Wiring for DCC" at: Marcus -----Original Message-----
From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On Behalf Of sawlumber2004 Sent: Friday, 23 December 2005 4:44 AM To: WiringForDCC@... Subject: [WiringForDCC] AutoReverse Modules I'm thinking about purchasing a PM42 Digitrax because I have 4 sections that need auto-reverse (or loops). I noticed that the PM42 can power manage for 4 independent auto-reversing sections. I have an NCE DCC system. I happened to look through the manual and I think I understand how to wire it. Is there anything else I need to be aware of? I'm thinking that the factory default settings will work with my system. I sure hope so. This is all new to me and at times very confusing. Do you have any suggestions about how a beginner can learn all about this stuff? Thanks Paul Weaver sawlumber@... Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.5/212 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.5/212 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 |
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Re: AutoReverse Modules
Thanks for your replies. Yes, I actually have 3 auto-reverse areas and 1
turntable, this is why I was going to use the PM42. I'm using a NorthCoast Pro DCC unit. Reading the forum I think I would need a DigiTrax throttle to change any settings to make the PM42 an autoreverse module. Is there any way around this using the Northcoast since I've already purchased it? I still have the option to return the PM42 and go a different route. Is it better with DCC to stay with the products that are the same brand as your control unit? Marcus, I will be using the autoreverse module as a return loop. Do you have any suggestions? Paul |
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Re: AutoReverse Modules
Doug Stuard
--- In WiringForDCC@..., "sawlumber2004"
<sawlumber@a...> wrote: sections that need auto-reverse (or loops). I noticed that the PM42 canpower manage for 4 independent auto-reversing sections. I have an NCEDCC system. I happened to look through the manual and I think Iunderstand how to wire it. Is there anything else I need to be aware of?I'm thinking that the factory default settings will work with mysystem. I sure hope so.The PM42 will certainly do the job, as it can be run independently from the loconet, but you will need a digitrax throttle to change any of the settings. Keep in mind that when a PM42 section is configured as an auto- reverser, it does not provide short circuit protection (it reverses the voltage polarity, rather than disconnecting it). Your booster or other power manager must provide that function. You might want to consider a PM42 used as a power manager/breaker followed by AR1 revering modules for your reversing sections. Another approach would be the Power Shiels and PSRev products from Tony's Trains. See any suggestions about how a beginner can learn all about this stuff?Read, read, read...If you can get hold of "The Big Book of DCC" from Digitrax (now out of print, but an updated version is due "soon"). Also, the following dealers have good intro material: Tony's Trains: Loy's Toys: and Litchfield Station: After that, Google can help you get as deep into it as you want. Doug Stuard NVNTRAK Thanks |
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AutoReverse Modules
sawlumber2004
I'm thinking about purchasing a PM42 Digitrax because I have 4 sections
that need auto-reverse (or loops). I noticed that the PM42 can power manage for 4 independent auto-reversing sections. I have an NCE DCC system. I happened to look through the manual and I think I understand how to wire it. Is there anything else I need to be aware of? I'm thinking that the factory default settings will work with my system. I sure hope so. This is all new to me and at times very confusing. Do you have any suggestions about how a beginner can learn all about this stuff? Thanks Paul Weaver sawlumber@... |
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Re: IDC Connectors
--- In WiringForDCC@..., "Doug Stuard" <dstuard@c...>
wrote: 22- 18 AWG on the "tap" connection. They are single bladeconnectors. I dont believe there is a dual blade (similar to the ScotchLok567, 12-10 run, 18-14 tap) for your smaller wire. _contractors/node_GSPV65GVLXbe/root_GST1T4S9TCgv/vroot_GSBCDFDZ1Zge/g vel_RZZJLFZNT6gl/theme_us_electricalcontractors_3_0/command_AbcPageHa ndler/output_htmlup and layingausing just those gauges and I have used a 3m scotchlok which has 1/4"ifblade recepticle built in. That means if you have a problem youcan justunclip that feeder. It does mean that you have to buy a bag ofblades aswell but you can also put more than one feeder into the blade you want--to.........works well for me[mailto:WiringForDCC@...]On ---------Terms-- of--Service. ---------steve-- |
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Re: Solid vs. Stranded Wire
Vollrath, Don
For DCC buss wire use, does it matter if I use SOLID or STRANDED wire ?
Not really. Use either type as you desire. Stranded is more flexible but may require crimped spade/ring lug connections to screw terminal strips if you use them. Solid wire can be used with screw terminals without any crimped on lugs. May hold twists better than stranded. DonV |
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Re: [NTrakDCCSIG] DecoderPro
Paul Bender
Hi Mike,
On December 17, Mike Langford wrote: Is anyone using DecoderPro for setting up your decoders? If so can I useNope, you'll need to use another piece of hardware. At this point in time, If you want a standalone programming track (i.e. one that is NOT connected to a standard command station) you'll need to obtain an SPROG-II from I own the serial version of this device, and they do work very well. Alternatly, if you really want to use that PR-1, you could volunteer to write a JMRI driver for it. You don't necessarilly need to be well versed in Java to do this, but a little low level programming experience would be helpfull (especially for a device like the PR-1, where most of the code will be low level code). Paul |
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Re: Expanding from a Digitrax Zephyr system to a Super Empire Builder system
Doug Stuard
The DT400R can be connected to the command station via loconet for
programming. If you are usingthe DB150 as your command station however, yo will be limited to the DB150 programming features (no CV readback, no separate programming track). Or you can re-option your DCS50 as a command station. 6 of one...... Doug --- In WiringForDCC@..., "Ron Massa" <ron@r...> wrote: I appreciate "experienced" advice. Can I connect the DT400Rthrottle via loconet (not in simplex radio mode) and use that for programminginstead of switching the DCS50 back to command station mode? If not,switching the DCS50 back to programming mode in the rare occasion that I need toprogram doesn't seem like a big deal.[mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On Behalf Of Doug Stuardsystem to a Super Empire Builder systemdo this.in- UT4Rone command station/booster/throttle and use it to run my newlayout(single power district running two locos on a small layout). Itbuilder 6-throttle, a PM42, plus some other stuff (will probably expand to 8(stillloco addresses max. with 2 or 3 users max. at a time). intoas a single power district) and use my new DB150 as my new 4tonew power districts? I will subdivide my expansion into 4 power althoughrun from the new command station? Since I will be greatlyexpandingmy layout I think I would prefer to switch to the DB150 as my Isubject=Unsubscribe>probably will never exceed the 10 max addresses of the ZephyrDCS150so I want to do whatever is easiest. Your advice is greatly
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Re: Peco double slip insulfrog
JOHN
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I am new myself but my simple understanding is that insulfrog will work straight out of the box but you will suffer a dead spot especially with slow moving shunting locos with limited pickup whereas electofrog requires a little reworking but offers much better continuity of traction current. A full explantion with diagrams is available on the turnouts section of the WiringForDCC page. John -----Original Message-----
From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...]On Behalf Of tundrathe Sent: 14 December 2005 22:09 To: WiringForDCC@... Subject: [WiringForDCC] Re: Peco double slip insulfrog I am new to DCC. Why does insulfrog or electrofrog matter in terms of wiring for DCC. thanks Joe Capizzi --- In WiringForDCC@..., "Elliott Janofsky" <ejanofsky@h...> wrote: > > John, Dale Glower talks about the electrofrog double slip not needing much. > Since the insulfrogs of regular type are even more friendly, am assuming > correctly that nothing has to be done for the double slip either? In looking > at it and using it , it seems that way. I guess throwing jumpers in would > help it also. Thanks for the answer. Elliott > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JOHN" jcebay@n... > To: WiringForDCC@... > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:43 AM > Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC] Peco double slip insulfrog > > > > Hi > > I am not sure that you have to do anything with it other than power it. > > If you look at the diagram on the wiring for turnouts page then compare it > > with the peco insul slip its exactly the same. I haven't laid mine yet but > > thats how I see it at the moment. If anybody knows any different please > > tell > > me..................John > > -----Original Message----- > > From: WiringForDCC@... > > [mailto:WiringForDCC@...]On > > Behalf Of Elliott Janofsky > > Sent: 13 December 2005 01:04 > > To: WiringForDCC@... > > Subject: [WiringForDCC] Peco double slip insulfrog > > > > > > I'm trying to wire a Peco insulfrog double slip to make it more DCC > > friendly. Any suggestions? Thanks, Elliott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Lionel model train European model trains Model > > railroads > > Ho scale model train Ho model trains Model train n scale > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > a.. Visit your group "WiringForDCC" on the web. > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > WiringForDCC-unsubscribe@... > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "WiringForDCC" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: WiringForDCC-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- |
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Re: Peco double slip insulfrog
tundrathe
I am new to DCC. Why does insulfrog or electrofrog matter in terms of wiring for DCC.
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thanks Joe Capizzi --- In WiringForDCC@..., "Elliott Janofsky" <ejanofsky@h...> wrote:
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Re: Terminating a Buss Run
Vollrath, Don
How about using your last feeder connection along the buss line ?
Would it be okay to " dead end " the wire inside the IDC connector. Yes, you can end the bus wires at a scotchlok IDC connector that connects the last track drop feeder to the DCC bus. But be aware that part of the IDC connector requires that the wire insulation actually extends a littler bit past the connector body in order to ensure that the wire remains straight inside the connector. DonV |
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Re: Expanding from a Digitrax Zephyr system to a Super Empire Builder system
Ron Massa
Doug: Thanks for the info! This is all still pretty new to me so I
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appreciate "experienced" advice. Can I connect the DT400R throttle via loconet (not in simplex radio mode) and use that for programming instead of switching the DCS50 back to command station mode? If not, switching the DCS50 back to programming mode in the rare occasion that I need to program doesn't seem like a big deal. Regards, Ronald A. Massa, Sr. RMA Electronics, Inc. 35 Pond Park Road, Unit #12 Hingham, MA 02043 TEL: 781-749-9700 FAX: 781-749-9707 Email: ron@... Specialists in Vision and Imaging since 1986 -----Original Message-----
From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On Behalf Of Doug Stuard Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 2:44 AM To: WiringForDCC@... Subject: [WiringForDCC] Re: Expanding from a Digitrax Zephyr system to a Super Empire Builder system The DCS50 can be optioned to separate the throttle and booster functions (and disable the command station) so your DB150 can be used as the command station. The DCS50 manyual describes how to do this. The DB150 can feed your PM42 and the DCS50 can feed yet another power district for a total of five. Keep in mind that the DB150, when use as a command station CANNOT read back CVs, so you may want to keep the DCS50 so you can switch it back to command station mode for programming. Doug Stuard NVNTRAK --- In WiringForDCC@..., "ahacman" <ron@r...> wrote: layout (single power district running two locos on a small layout). Itbuilder set for my layout expansion currently under construction withDT400R throttle and DB150 command station/booster plus an additional UT4R8 loco addresses max. with 2 or 3 users max. at a time).4 new power districts? I will subdivide my expansion into 4 powerexpanding my layout I think I would prefer to switch to the DB150 as myI probably will never exceed the 10 max addresses of the ZephyrDCS150 so I want to do whatever is easiest. Your advice is greatly _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "WiringForDCC <> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: WiringForDCC-unsubscribe@... <mailto:WiringForDCC-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <> Terms of Service. _____ |
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