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I heard that Karen Bass was in Valley Village today at their 4th of July parade!! ? This is what an arrogant idiot looks like:
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Why the SCOTUS EPA decision is so important
While?the? Dobbs decision was getting all the attention last week, a decision that was way more far-reaching also emanated from SCOTUS, as they reined in the power of the EPA for overreach.? Essentially, they began to dismantle the? Administrative Procedure Act(APA).?This is the act that empowered various Federal agencies to write and prosecute their own laws with absolutely no Congressional involvement. Neil Gorsuch writes in his book, "If You Can Keep It," about the almost arbitrary way that these agencies change their policies, making it nearly impossible for citizens to comply. One minute a practice is against the law, the next minute, a new Administration has repealed the law. It's madness, but nobody knows about it.--
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Re: You wanted proof? Here's some
Exactly as proven by?2000 Mules by the Arizona Attorney General's office.? Caught her red-handed ballot harvesting:
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Re: Amazing! Israel to be the FIRST Country in the World to Pipe Desalinated Water into a Sinking Freshwater Lake!
The elites want us to suffer and die. They are shutting down nuke plants.? Next we starve.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2022, 9:33 PM Allyson Taylor via <Allysonrtaylor7= [email protected]> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Janet Levy <janetlevyross@...>Date: Tue, Jun 28, 2022, 8:06 AM Subject: Amazing! Israel to be the FIRST Country in the World to Pipe Desalinated Water into a Sinking Freshwater Lake! To: Janet Levy < janetlevyross@...> In California, we live near the largest body of water in the world - the Pacific Ocean - and are suffering from a ¡°drought.¡± ?
Persecuted Ukrainian Zionist and scientist Alexander Zarchin, who immigrated to British Palestine in 1947 (the Jews were called Palestinians at the time), invented seawater desalination in 1964, for which he received a patent.? Shortly thereafter, stories of Jews ¡°making the desert bloom¡± in Israel became legendary. ?
The largest desalination plant in the Western Hemisphere is in San Diego, producing 50 million gallons of desalinated water daily.? The under $1 billion project began operation in 2015 and currently produces 50 million gallons of desalinated seawater daily. ?(In contrast, the payback for union support for state Democrats - the high-speed train between Los Angeles and San Francisco is estimated at a completion cost of $105 billion after voters initially approved a $9 billion project in 2008).
Now, Israel will be the FIRST country in the world to pipe desalinated water into a natural lake!
If Eretz Yisrael can do it, America can certainly follow suit!
Janet Levy, Los Angeles
Underground channel set to start operating in spring; Sea of Galilee expert says tests indicate more pros than cons, but full effect on ecosystems will only emerge with monitoringBy?Today, 10:39 am?
 Work goes on to lay a pipe that will channel desalinated water to the Sea of Galilee, June 3, 2021 (Firas Talhami, Water Authority) Early next year, Israel is set to become the first country in the world to channel desalinated water into a natural lake ¡ª the Sea of Galilee. One of the lowest-lying bodies of water on Earth, the Sea of Galilee is Israel¡¯s??and its emergency water store.
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Amazing! Israel to be the FIRST Country in the World to Pipe Desalinated Water into a Sinking Freshwater Lake!
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Janet Levy <janetlevyross@...>Date: Tue, Jun 28, 2022, 8:06 AM Subject: Amazing! Israel to be the FIRST Country in the World to Pipe Desalinated Water into a Sinking Freshwater Lake! To: Janet Levy < janetlevyross@...> In California, we live near the largest body of water in the world - the Pacific Ocean - and are suffering from a ¡°drought.¡± ?
Persecuted Ukrainian Zionist and scientist Alexander Zarchin, who immigrated to British Palestine in 1947 (the Jews were called Palestinians at the time), invented seawater desalination in 1964, for which he received a patent.? Shortly thereafter, stories of Jews ¡°making the desert bloom¡± in Israel became legendary. ?
The largest desalination plant in the Western Hemisphere is in San Diego, producing 50 million gallons of desalinated water daily.? The under $1 billion project began operation in 2015 and currently produces 50 million gallons of desalinated seawater daily. ?(In contrast, the payback for union support for state Democrats - the high-speed train between Los Angeles and San Francisco is estimated at a completion cost of $105 billion after voters initially approved a $9 billion project in 2008).
Now, Israel will be the FIRST country in the world to pipe desalinated water into a natural lake!
If Eretz Yisrael can do it, America can certainly follow suit!
Janet Levy, Los Angeles
Underground channel set to start operating in spring; Sea of Galilee expert says tests indicate more pros than cons, but full effect on ecosystems will only emerge with monitoringBy?Today, 10:39 am?
Work goes on to lay a pipe that will channel desalinated water to the Sea of Galilee, June 3, 2021 (Firas Talhami, Water Authority) Early next year, Israel is set to become the first country in the world to channel desalinated water into a natural lake ¡ª the Sea of Galilee. One of the lowest-lying bodies of water on Earth, the Sea of Galilee is Israel¡¯s??and its emergency water store.
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Just goes to show you that hard work, diligence and the United States Constitution is stronger than people think.? As of today, SCOTUS has ruled:
1.??Roe v. Wade is gone.? The question of abortion is back to the states, where it always should have been.
2.? New York's restrictive gun laws, specifically regarding the issuance the right to carry, has been ruled invalid, with national consequences, as a Second Amendment right.
3.? An 8-1 decision affirmed the validity of Voter ID.
This has been a great week.? Enjoy your weekend and make sure you motivate your friends and associate to vote red in November, especially for Rick Caruso as mayor.? Last election had an 18% turnout and the libs are claiming Karen Bass actually is leading.? That's not good.
Finally, if you haven't signed the petition to Recall George Gascon, please do so RIGHT NOW:? ?
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Hi All, ? Just following up.? Remember those who said they got a second mail-in ballot for the June Primary? ? Was it a real ballot or just more voting information? ? In the interest of confidence in our voting system, I think we need to know what happened with this. ? Thanks. Sheri ?
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Meanwhile, in Arizona for your proof pleasure
From the Arizona Sun Times:
https://arizonasuntimes.com/2022/06/11/maricopa-county-spokesperson-admits-20000-late-ballots-were-scanned-before-verification-expert-says-likely-a-crime/
In an email exchange with?The Arizona Sun Times?this week, a Maricopa County Recorder¡¯s office spokesperson may have unwittingly admitted that the county mishandled thousands of ballots from the 2020 general election that one watchdog groups??were accepted after the legal deadline.
Megan Gilbertson, the communications director for the Maricopa County Elections Department (MCED) ¨C a department of the Maricopa County Recorder¡¯s Office ¨C said that the department processed ballots by scanning them into the tabulating machines at MCED before transferring their custody the next day to?, which verifies their legitimacy with signature verification.
She stated, ¡°Due to the large volumes of early ballots received Election Day, we are scanning in early ballots received by 7 p.m. on Election Day well into the next morning, which is why a transfer of custody document would have a date after Election Day.¡±
In an earlier email, Gilbertson noted that ¡°early ballot envelope signatures that are cured would also be tracked and scanned after Election Day until the curing deadline. None of these ballots would be marked as rejected, as they were all received by the Elections Department prior to 7 p.m. on Election Day.¡±
Gilbertson added that although the receipts are dated after Election Day, the ballots weren¡¯t late because they were either cured ballots (Arizona law provides five days after an election to cure ballots) or took extra time to transport to?, their third-party private vendor, due to scanning them first at MCED.
Maricopa County elections officials contracted with?, a Phoenix-based business founded in 1972 by Chuck Runbeck. According to the company¡¯s website, the firm specializes in ¡°customized election solutions, reaching more than 70 million voters¡± and touts its services ¡°are conducted from our state-of-the-art, secure facility ¨C designed specifically for the production of election-related materials.¡±
The county contracted with Runbeck Election Services to provide signature verification for the ballot affidavits contained on the ballot envelopes.
The ballot receipts, the county spokesperson said, are drawn up when MCED drops the ballots off with Runbeck for??¨C not when they come in from the United States Postal Service (USPS).
She wrote, ¡°We have bipartisan staff that pick up envelopes from USPS. That staff delivers these envelopes, each with a unique intelligent barcode, to the Elections Department. The envelopes picked up from the post office are then delivered to Runbeck along with the early ballot affidavits dropped off at voting locations on Election Day.¡±
The Sun Times?asked Gilbertson to confirm her statement that ballots go directly from USPS to MCED first, then to Runbeck.
¡°Yes,¡± she answered.
The Sun Times?shared the information from Gilbertson with an Arizona election lawyer, who said that under the state¡¯s elections law, tabulating an unverified ballot is a crime.
The attorney pointed to three separate provisions of Arizona state law.
First, 16-550(A) of the Arizona Revised Statutes (ARS) states that the first action by elections officials upon the receipt of a ballot is to verify its authenticity by comparing the signature on the affidavit (on the envelope) to the corresponding signature in the county record.
A. On receipt of the envelope containing the early ballot and the ballot affidavit, the county recorder or other officer in charge of elections?shall compare the signatures thereon with the signature of the elector on the elector¡¯s registration record.?If the signature is inconsistent with the elector¡¯s signature on the elector¡¯s registration record, the county recorder or other officer in charge of elections shall make reasonable efforts to contact the voter, advise the voter of the inconsistent signature and allow the voter to correct or the county to confirm the inconsistent signature.
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Second is ARS 16-1009, which classifies the offense for public officer(s) who do not follow the procedures in the way the law describes.
A public officer upon whom a duty is imposed by this title, who knowingly fails or refuses to perform that duty in the manner prescribed by law, is guilty of a?class 3 misdemeanor.
(emphasis added)
Third is ARS 16-1010, which further classifies an election official¡¯s failure to follow lawful procedure with regards to elections.
A person charged with performance of any duty under any law relating to elections who knowingly refuses to perform such duty, or who, in his official capacity, knowingly acts in violation of any provision of such law, is guilty of a?class 6 felony?unless a different punishment for such act or omission is prescribed by law.
(emphasis added)
In Arizona, each count of a class 3 misdemeanor is punishable with up to?. One count of a class 6 felony is punishable with up to?.
Arizona Republican Party Chair Kelli Ward told?The Sun Times, ¡°I don¡¯t trust a word that comes out of the Maricopa County Election¡¯s Department nor from the County Recorder and his staff. They¡¯ve got a history of incompetence, law breaking, and obfuscation related to election integrity and this is just another instance. ¡ it looks like they¡¯ve got something to hide.¡±
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Re: You wanted proof? Here's some
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Re: You wanted proof? Here's some
The tax return I sent to you is factual. It¡¯s a shame no one in your group is capable or reading or understanding what it says and apparently that includes you as well. ? Maybe you didn¡¯t notice your dolt, David, attacked me? ?Of course not, you have your head buried so far under the sand you cannot see the light of day.? YOUR personal attacks are meaningless to me, as are you. ? I will block this group now so I will not see any more of your foolishness or fuckery. ? Have a good life. ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of robfrankel Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 3:53 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] You wanted proof? Here's some ? And there you have it:
Another liberal who cannot support her laziness and emotionalism with any factual data, resorting to distractions and per ? sonal attacks because that's all she's got left.? ?
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Cathy, ? Typical response. ?? ? I know how to delete emails. Maybe you should call your IT person and learn how to reply to only the sender and not the whole group. ? ? Sheri ? ? Sherri, ? ? Frankly, I do not know how to remove you from this group test, but I am so sorry that you have 5 whole emails in your inbox and it is distressing you.? If you don¡¯t know how to use the delete function, call your IT person. ? ? ? Cathy, ? If you and Rob want to continue with this discussion, please email each other and don¡¯t include me. You are filling up my inbox. I don¡¯t know if anyone else minds a ton of back and forth emails, especially from someone who says they have an open mind and want to hear the ¡°other¡± side, yet still shows us a closed mind. ? ¡°My request for the facts this group claims to have is wholly reasonable and I can¡¯t help but wonder why everyone is so put out about that.? So again, why is that? I ask questions to gain greater understanding but get no tangible answers.¡± ? I think you have been given tangible answers.? And with the time it has taken you to read the emails, write the emails, send your ¡°research¡± out, you could have watched 2000 Mules about 5 times. ?
May 6, 2022 2000?Mules: The?Documentary?by Dan Newman May 6, 2022 3 Comments? 2000?Mules documents research from True the Vote, a conservative election intelligence organization that has compiled evidence of organized ballot trafficking in at least 6 states ¡ª Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Texas. ? ? So, again, I ask you to please remove me when you send out any further emails. ? Thank you! Sheri ? ? ? Rob, I told you yesterday I do not have access to streaming anything irrespective of the time to watch or the fact that watching anything puts me to sleep in about 5 minutes.? I went back to the video last night to double check that is the only option. It is as far as I can tell. ? While there, I came across the True the Vote people and their connection with that video.? Hence I Googled them and sent you the link about their law-breaking, corrupt ways and their proliferation of the big lie and capitalizing off of same.? So one thing led to another and frankly, if what was stated is true about their business operation, they need to be put out of business and I may have mentioned, I have no problem with filing complaints against them with the AG.? ?That¡¯s called action.? I posted the link not as any kind of response but as an FYI ?for your consideration as I assumed you were unaware of this.? It¡¯s either that or you and all of your friends here already know but do not care about the truth.? That¡¯s a different matter altogether. ? I asked you for the facts you stated are in that video because I cannot see the video.? So, are you going to share? You saw the video; I presume you can tell me what you saw. ? The only actionable data presented to me so far is the link you sent re PA corruption. I acknowledged that and you notice action is being taken by the proper authorities.? That is exactly what I am looking for.? Got any more? ??I¡¯m looking for legitimate causes for action. ??Think I¡®ve said that before. ? I imagine you would like to be heard by people outside of the Republican Party and little clandestine groups like this one.? Then this is the kind of information you will have to provide to gain credibility outside of any group that parrots the same old crap ad nauseam and no, you are not getting special treatment; I have to do the same thing. ? My work with homeless people should not be construed as virtue signaling.? The point in that example is the breadth of the human spectrum I engage with: All levels of society, All races, All religions and the list goes on. I have a long list of gay men friends. Let¡¯s hope that is not a faux pas in any circles in present day Los Angeles, CA. ? I have yet to see any facts that cannot be refuted by good authority or any reasoning other than glimmers of your own.? All I have seen are other peoples¡¯ opinions and beliefs and people telling each other how to vote. I did encounter one fellow who was having a hysterical fit due to his interpretation of some proposed legislation. When I asked him where he saw that his response was, oh it¡¯s in there.? Well it was not in there; what was in there was his own misinterpretation of what was stated and that is why he could not tell me where it was.? THIS is the typical response I get when I ask someone for factual data. ? Here is the tax return for True the Vote for 2019.? They have not filed the 2020 return which would have been due 10/15/21 if on extension so they are way past due.? This tax return is another example of the kind of factual data I rely on. ? Yes, in fact, there is a loan for $113k+ to Catherine so that is absolutely true and absolutely AGAINST 501c3 regulation.? The return was filed 2/17/22? so you can say they are running behind, way behind. ? She also took more than 1/3 of the less that $450k in donations received in 2018.? (The tax return was filed late 1/11/21).? I want a job where I get 1/3 of the gross income!? Who is she anyway?? Just an enterprising woman with a pretty face who saw an opportunity to make money off of promoting a lie to others? It¡¯s amazing how stupid the masses are and how sad that is, especially when folks who may be a tad smarter take advantage of the less sophisticated.? Present day morality in the US is another issue entirely. ? So there you have it; I posted a link as an FYI then I pulled and read the tax return to check the statements made in the link and imagine that, the news article (regardless of who wrote it) and the tax return match.? I call that verification of data not open to anyone¡¯s interpretation.? See how simple that is? ? Enjoy your weekend. ? ~CL ? ? On Friday, June 10, 2022, 03:01:37 PM PDT, robfrankel <rob@...> wrote: You said it yourself; you joined this group to talk with like-minded people.? Someone who only talks with like-minded people is hardly what I would consider to be open-minded. ? ?They can be open-minded, but what's the fun of talking into an echo chamber.? For me, I care less about?what people think than?why they think it.. That's the problems I have with your responses: There's no meat there.? No rationale.? Simply posting links to a biased reference is, unfortunately, what most people on the internet think of as an intelligent response.? It's not.? It's just laziness. ? On another note, someone invited me to this group long ago; I didn¡¯t know the person and don¡¯t recall their name.? I suspect now it was because this group is so different and of one mind.? They sent me here to see what the other side of the world is doing and perhaps to shake things up a bit; to shake people out of their complacency. ?
Which is fine, but you do yourself no favors by merely echoing the same propaganda we hear everywhere else.? You seem to know better than that. ? I engage in dialog with people from all walks of life and have entertained people who were homeless along with Doctors and Lawyers at the same event.? I¡¯m genuinely interested in other peoples¡¯ point of view and have a true desire to understand other people and their needs.? That does not imply I will go down any rabbit holes because of what someone else believes. ? No need to go down any rabbit holes.? However, reviewing the reasoning and data that forms others' opinions can be more rewarding and enlightening than virtue-signaling about homeless people.? It's easy to talk the talk.? Amongst these folks, you need to walk the walk if you want to be taken seriously. ? All I have asked for are facts that I can research and form my own opinion about (I do not need someone to tell me what I should think or do).? Back to the facts, ?none have been presented even by those who claim to have them.? I keep asking:? why is that?? Either you have the ¡°facts¡± or you do not just don¡¯t claim you do if you do not because sooner or later, someone like me is going to ask you to present them.? ?That¡¯s how it works. ?
Well, to be fair, several have presented you with facts.? You've simply either refused to investigate them or dismissed them.? If you've noticed, whenever you've presented any sources or data, people here have checked them out and responded.? ? Kudos to Rob who presented one factual article about corruption in PA prior to 2020.? And yes, it¡¯s real and guess what, those people are being prosecuted, as they should be.? Works for me and I do not care what party they belong to. ? Thanks, but now you need to see?2000 Mules to see just how widespread the voter fraud really is -- and that's just one means of fraud.? It doesn't even begin to address the other events that involved far different means. ? My request for the facts this group claims to have is wholly reasonable and I can¡¯t help but wonder why everyone is so put out about that.? So again, why is that? I ask questions to gain greater understanding but get no tangible answers. ? Okay, watch?2000 Mules.? I've seen it, and I assure you, there is no sermonizing, smearing or campaigning.? It's just raw, factual data.? The film allows you to draw your own conclusions.? If you really are that open-minded, why wouldn't you view it and review the facts you claim you want?
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Cathy, ? Typical response. ?? ? I know how to delete emails. Maybe you should call your IT person and learn how to reply to only the sender and not the whole group. ? ? Sheri ? ? Sherri, ? ? Frankly, I do not know how to remove you from this group test, but I am so sorry that you have 5 whole emails in your inbox and it is distressing you.? If you don¡¯t know how to use the delete function, call your IT person. ? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Sheri Herman via groups.io Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 9:37 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] You wanted proof? Here's some ? Cathy, ? If you and Rob want to continue with this discussion, please email each other and don¡¯t include me. You are filling up my inbox. I don¡¯t know if anyone else minds a ton of back and forth emails, especially from someone who says they have an open mind and want to hear the ¡°other¡± side, yet still shows us a closed mind. ? ¡°My request for the facts this group claims to have is wholly reasonable and I can¡¯t help but wonder why everyone is so put out about that.? So again, why is that? I ask questions to gain greater understanding but get no tangible answers.¡± ? I think you have been given tangible answers.? And with the time it has taken you to read the emails, write the emails, send your ¡°research¡± out, you could have watched 2000 Mules about 5 times. ?
May 6, 2022 2000?Mules: The?Documentary?by Dan Newman May 6, 2022 3 Comments? 2000?Mules documents research from True the Vote, a conservative election intelligence organization that has compiled evidence of organized ballot trafficking in at least 6 states ¡ª Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Texas. ? ? So, again, I ask you to please remove me when you send out any further emails. ? Thank you! Sheri ? ? ? Rob, I told you yesterday I do not have access to streaming anything irrespective of the time to watch or the fact that watching anything puts me to sleep in about 5 minutes.? I went back to the video last night to double check that is the only option. It is as far as I can tell. ? While there, I came across the True the Vote people and their connection with that video.? Hence I Googled them and sent you the link about their law-breaking, corrupt ways and their proliferation of the big lie and capitalizing off of same.? So one thing led to another and frankly, if what was stated is true about their business operation, they need to be put out of business and I may have mentioned, I have no problem with filing complaints against them with the AG.? ?That¡¯s called action.? I posted the link not as any kind of response but as an FYI ?for your consideration as I assumed you were unaware of this. ?It¡¯s either that or you and all of your friends here already know but do not care about the truth.? That¡¯s a different matter altogether. ? I asked you for the facts you stated are in that video because I cannot see the video.? So, are you going to share? You saw the video; I presume you can tell me what you saw. ? The only actionable data presented to me so far is the link you sent re PA corruption. I acknowledged that and you notice action is being taken by the proper authorities.? That is exactly what I am looking for.? Got any more? ??I¡¯m looking for legitimate causes for action. ??Think I¡®ve said that before. ? I imagine you would like to be heard by people outside of the Republican Party and little clandestine groups like this one.? Then this is the kind of information you will have to provide to gain credibility outside of any group that parrots the same old crap ad nauseam and no, you are not getting special treatment; I have to do the same thing. ? My work with homeless people should not be construed as virtue signaling.? The point in that example is the breadth of the human spectrum I engage with: All levels of society, All races, All religions and the list goes on. I have a long list of gay men friends. Let¡¯s hope that is not a faux pas in any circles in present day Los Angeles, CA. ? I have yet to see any facts that cannot be refuted by good authority or any reasoning other than glimmers of your own.? All I have seen are other peoples¡¯ opinions and beliefs and people telling each other how to vote. I did encounter one fellow who was having a hysterical fit due to his interpretation of some proposed legislation. When I asked him where he saw that his response was, oh it¡¯s in there.? Well it was not in there; what was in there was his own misinterpretation of what was stated and that is why he could not tell me where it was.? THIS is the typical response I get when I ask someone for factual data. ? Here is the tax return for True the Vote for 2019.? They have not filed the 2020 return which would have been due 10/15/21 if on extension so they are way past due.? This tax return is another example of the kind of factual data I rely on. ? Yes, in fact, there is a loan for $113k+ to Catherine so that is absolutely true and absolutely AGAINST 501c3 regulation.? The return was filed 2/17/22? so you can say they are running behind, way behind. ? She also took more than 1/3 of the less that $450k in donations received in 2018.? (The tax return was filed late 1/11/21).? I want a job where I get 1/3 of the gross income!? Who is she anyway?? Just an enterprising woman with a pretty face who saw an opportunity to make money off of promoting a lie to others? It¡¯s amazing how stupid the masses are and how sad that is, especially when folks who may be a tad smarter take advantage of the less sophisticated.? Present day morality in the US is another issue entirely. ? So there you have it; I posted a link as an FYI then I pulled and read the tax return to check the statements made in the link and imagine that, the news article (regardless of who wrote it) and the tax return match. ?I call that verification of data not open to anyone¡¯s interpretation.? See how simple that is? ? Enjoy your weekend. ? ~CL ? ? On Friday, June 10, 2022, 03:01:37 PM PDT, robfrankel <rob@...> wrote: You said it yourself; you joined this group to talk with like-minded people.? Someone who only talks with like-minded people is hardly what I would consider to be open-minded. ? ?They can be open-minded, but what's the fun of talking into an echo chamber.? For me, I care less about?what people think than?why they think it.. That's the problems I have with your responses: There's no meat there.? No rationale.? Simply posting links to a biased reference is, unfortunately, what most people on the internet think of as an intelligent response.? It's not.? It's just laziness. ? On another note, someone invited me to this group long ago; I didn¡¯t know the person and don¡¯t recall their name.? I suspect now it was because this group is so different and of one mind.? They sent me here to see what the other side of the world is doing and perhaps to shake things up a bit; to shake people out of their complacency. ?
Which is fine, but you do yourself no favors by merely echoing the same propaganda we hear everywhere else.? You seem to know better than that. ? I engage in dialog with people from all walks of life and have entertained people who were homeless along with Doctors and Lawyers at the same event.? I¡¯m genuinely interested in other peoples¡¯ point of view and have a true desire to understand other people and their needs.? That does not imply I will go down any rabbit holes because of what someone else believes. ? No need to go down any rabbit holes.? However, reviewing the reasoning and data that forms others' opinions can be more rewarding and enlightening than virtue-signaling about homeless people.? It's easy to talk the talk.? Amongst these folks, you need to walk the walk if you want to be taken seriously. ? All I have asked for are facts that I can research and form my own opinion about (I do not need someone to tell me what I should think or do).? Back to the facts, ?none have been presented even by those who claim to have them.? I keep asking:? why is that?? Either you have the ¡°facts¡± or you do not just don¡¯t claim you do if you do not because sooner or later, someone like me is going to ask you to present them.? ?That¡¯s how it works. ?
Well, to be fair, several have presented you with facts.? You've simply either refused to investigate them or dismissed them.? If you've noticed, whenever you've presented any sources or data, people here have checked them out and responded.? ? Kudos to Rob who presented one factual article about corruption in PA prior to 2020.? And yes, it¡¯s real and guess what, those people are being prosecuted, as they should be.? Works for me and I do not care what party they belong to. ? Thanks, but now you need to see?2000 Mules to see just how widespread the voter fraud really is -- and that's just one means of fraud.? It doesn't even begin to address the other events that involved far different means. ? My request for the facts this group claims to have is wholly reasonable and I can¡¯t help but wonder why everyone is so put out about that.? So again, why is that? I ask questions to gain greater understanding but get no tangible answers. ? Okay, watch?2000 Mules.? I've seen it, and I assure you, there is no sermonizing, smearing or campaigning.? It's just raw, factual data.? The film allows you to draw your own conclusions.? If you really are that open-minded, why wouldn't you view it and review the facts you claim you want?
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Well folks, it appears that Cathy has become completely unhinged, so I won't be approving her last two posts, which are nothing but vitriolic personal attacks.?
I'll archive them for future amusement.?
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And there you have it:
Another liberal who cannot support her laziness and emotionalism with any factual data, resorting to distractions and personal attacks because that's all she's got left.?
Disappointing. Not surprising, though.?
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Nice try but no cigar. ? To recap, you are saying Catherine loaned the money to the corp?? Yet the corp only shows assets on their Balance Sheet.? How do you explain that? ? Maybe you should either clean your glasses or get up to speed with accounting theory (as the need may be) because the return clearly shows in Schedule L, Part II, column d, the corp loaned the money to Catherine.? Maybe that is why the corp only shows assets - ?do you think?? Hint:? It¡¯s called a loan receivable and the person who wrote the article, unlike you, knows what the Hell they are talking about. ? While there is 1 or maybe 2 people in this group with an at least average IQ, the rest of the group appears to be sorely lacking.? Clearly, it¡¯s time for me to stop wasting my precious time with such a non-productive endeavor. ? Whomever has the capability, kindly remove me from this group. ? Thank you.? ? Best, ~CL ? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of David Nelson via groups.io Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 9:52 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] You wanted proof? Here's some ? >> Yes, in fact, there is a loan for $113k+ to Catherine so that is?absolutely true?and absolutely AGAINST 501c3 regulation.??
"Absolutely true", you sure of that???
While the Texas Corporation code that was cited in the article does say that loans to a director are prohibited: Sec. 22.225. LOAN TO DIRECTOR PROHIBITED. (a) A corporation may not make a loan to a director.
I see no reference to a loan from a director as being prohibited.? And the 2019 Tax Return clearly shows that the $113K+ loan you mention is from an "officer, director" not to an "officer, director".
The author of that article made either a huge mistake or is intentionally misleading their readers.? If the latter is true, I wonder how many other misleading statements are in that propaganda...I mean article.
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? Sherri, ? ? Frankly, I do not know how to remove you from this group test, but I am so sorry that you have 5 whole emails in your inbox and it is distressing you.? If you don¡¯t know how to use the delete function, call your IT person. ? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Sheri Herman via groups.io Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 9:37 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] You wanted proof? Here's some ? Cathy, ? If you and Rob want to continue with this discussion, please email each other and don¡¯t include me. You are filling up my inbox. I don¡¯t know if anyone else minds a ton of back and forth emails, especially from someone who says they have an open mind and want to hear the ¡°other¡± side, yet still shows us a closed mind. ? ¡°My request for the facts this group claims to have is wholly reasonable and I can¡¯t help but wonder why everyone is so put out about that.? So again, why is that? I ask questions to gain greater understanding but get no tangible answers.¡± ? I think you have been given tangible answers.? And with the time it has taken you to read the emails, write the emails, send your ¡°research¡± out, you could have watched 2000 Mules about 5 times. ?
May 6, 2022 2000?Mules: The?Documentary?by Dan Newman May 6, 2022 3 Comments? 2000?Mules documents research from True the Vote, a conservative election intelligence organization that has compiled evidence of organized ballot trafficking in at least 6 states ¡ª Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Texas. ? ? So, again, I ask you to please remove me when you send out any further emails. ? Thank you! Sheri ? ? ? Rob, I told you yesterday I do not have access to streaming anything irrespective of the time to watch or the fact that watching anything puts me to sleep in about 5 minutes.? I went back to the video last night to double check that is the only option. It is as far as I can tell. ? While there, I came across the True the Vote people and their connection with that video.? Hence I Googled them and sent you the link about their law-breaking, corrupt ways and their proliferation of the big lie and capitalizing off of same.? So one thing led to another and frankly, if what was stated is true about their business operation, they need to be put out of business and I may have mentioned, I have no problem with filing complaints against them with the AG.? ?That¡¯s called action.? I posted the link not as any kind of response but as an FYI ?for your consideration as I assumed you were unaware of this. ?It¡¯s either that or you and all of your friends here already know but do not care about the truth.? That¡¯s a different matter altogether. ? I asked you for the facts you stated are in that video because I cannot see the video.? So, are you going to share? You saw the video; I presume you can tell me what you saw. ? The only actionable data presented to me so far is the link you sent re PA corruption. I acknowledged that and you notice action is being taken by the proper authorities.? That is exactly what I am looking for.? Got any more? ??I¡¯m looking for legitimate causes for action. ??Think I¡®ve said that before. ? I imagine you would like to be heard by people outside of the Republican Party and little clandestine groups like this one.? Then this is the kind of information you will have to provide to gain credibility outside of any group that parrots the same old crap ad nauseam and no, you are not getting special treatment; I have to do the same thing. ? My work with homeless people should not be construed as virtue signaling.? The point in that example is the breadth of the human spectrum I engage with: All levels of society, All races, All religions and the list goes on. I have a long list of gay men friends. Let¡¯s hope that is not a faux pas in any circles in present day Los Angeles, CA. ? I have yet to see any facts that cannot be refuted by good authority or any reasoning other than glimmers of your own.? All I have seen are other peoples¡¯ opinions and beliefs and people telling each other how to vote. I did encounter one fellow who was having a hysterical fit due to his interpretation of some proposed legislation. When I asked him where he saw that his response was, oh it¡¯s in there.? Well it was not in there; what was in there was his own misinterpretation of what was stated and that is why he could not tell me where it was.? THIS is the typical response I get when I ask someone for factual data. ? Here is the tax return for True the Vote for 2019.? They have not filed the 2020 return which would have been due 10/15/21 if on extension so they are way past due.? This tax return is another example of the kind of factual data I rely on. ? Yes, in fact, there is a loan for $113k+ to Catherine so that is absolutely true and absolutely AGAINST 501c3 regulation.? The return was filed 2/17/22? so you can say they are running behind, way behind. ? She also took more than 1/3 of the less that $450k in donations received in 2018.? (The tax return was filed late 1/11/21).? I want a job where I get 1/3 of the gross income!? Who is she anyway?? Just an enterprising woman with a pretty face who saw an opportunity to make money off of promoting a lie to others? It¡¯s amazing how stupid the masses are and how sad that is, especially when folks who may be a tad smarter take advantage of the less sophisticated.? Present day morality in the US is another issue entirely. ? So there you have it; I posted a link as an FYI then I pulled and read the tax return to check the statements made in the link and imagine that, the news article (regardless of who wrote it) and the tax return match. ?I call that verification of data not open to anyone¡¯s interpretation.? See how simple that is? ? Enjoy your weekend. ? ~CL ? ? On Friday, June 10, 2022, 03:01:37 PM PDT, robfrankel <rob@...> wrote: You said it yourself; you joined this group to talk with like-minded people.? Someone who only talks with like-minded people is hardly what I would consider to be open-minded. ? ?They can be open-minded, but what's the fun of talking into an echo chamber.? For me, I care less about?what people think than?why they think it.. That's the problems I have with your responses: There's no meat there.? No rationale.? Simply posting links to a biased reference is, unfortunately, what most people on the internet think of as an intelligent response.? It's not.? It's just laziness. ? On another note, someone invited me to this group long ago; I didn¡¯t know the person and don¡¯t recall their name.? I suspect now it was because this group is so different and of one mind.? They sent me here to see what the other side of the world is doing and perhaps to shake things up a bit; to shake people out of their complacency. ?
Which is fine, but you do yourself no favors by merely echoing the same propaganda we hear everywhere else.? You seem to know better than that. ? I engage in dialog with people from all walks of life and have entertained people who were homeless along with Doctors and Lawyers at the same event.? I¡¯m genuinely interested in other peoples¡¯ point of view and have a true desire to understand other people and their needs.? That does not imply I will go down any rabbit holes because of what someone else believes. ? No need to go down any rabbit holes.? However, reviewing the reasoning and data that forms others' opinions can be more rewarding and enlightening than virtue-signaling about homeless people.? It's easy to talk the talk.? Amongst these folks, you need to walk the walk if you want to be taken seriously. ? All I have asked for are facts that I can research and form my own opinion about (I do not need someone to tell me what I should think or do).? Back to the facts, ?none have been presented even by those who claim to have them.? I keep asking:? why is that?? Either you have the ¡°facts¡± or you do not just don¡¯t claim you do if you do not because sooner or later, someone like me is going to ask you to present them.? ?That¡¯s how it works. ?
Well, to be fair, several have presented you with facts.? You've simply either refused to investigate them or dismissed them.? If you've noticed, whenever you've presented any sources or data, people here have checked them out and responded.? ? Kudos to Rob who presented one factual article about corruption in PA prior to 2020.? And yes, it¡¯s real and guess what, those people are being prosecuted, as they should be.? Works for me and I do not care what party they belong to. ? Thanks, but now you need to see?2000 Mules to see just how widespread the voter fraud really is -- and that's just one means of fraud.? It doesn't even begin to address the other events that involved far different means. ? My request for the facts this group claims to have is wholly reasonable and I can¡¯t help but wonder why everyone is so put out about that.? So again, why is that? I ask questions to gain greater understanding but get no tangible answers. ? Okay, watch?2000 Mules.? I've seen it, and I assure you, there is no sermonizing, smearing or campaigning.? It's just raw, factual data.? The film allows you to draw your own conclusions.? If you really are that open-minded, why wouldn't you view it and review the facts you claim you want?
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Cathy, ? If you and Rob want to continue with this discussion, please email each other and don¡¯t include me. You are filling up my inbox. I don¡¯t know if anyone else minds a ton of back and forth emails, especially from someone who says they have an open mind and want to hear the ¡°other¡± side, yet still shows us a closed mind. ? ¡°My request for the facts this group claims to have is wholly reasonable and I can¡¯t help but wonder why everyone is so put out about that.? So again, why is that? I ask questions to gain greater understanding but get no tangible answers.¡± ? I think you have been given tangible answers.? And with the time it has taken you to read the emails, write the emails, send your ¡°research¡± out, you could have watched 2000 Mules about 5 times. ?
May 6, 2022 2000?Mules: The?Documentary?by Dan Newman May 6, 2022 3 Comments? 2000?Mules documents research from True the Vote, a conservative election intelligence organization that has compiled evidence of organized ballot trafficking in at least 6 states ¡ª Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Texas. ? ? So, again, I ask you to please remove me when you send out any further emails. ? Thank you! Sheri ? ? ? Rob, I told you yesterday I do not have access to streaming anything irrespective of the time to watch or the fact that watching anything puts me to sleep in about 5 minutes.? I went back to the video last night to double check that is the only option. It is as far as I can tell. ? While there, I came across the True the Vote people and their connection with that video.? Hence I Googled them and sent you the link about their law-breaking, corrupt ways and their proliferation of the big lie and capitalizing off of same.? So one thing led to another and frankly, if what was stated is true about their business operation, they need to be put out of business and I may have mentioned, I have no problem with filing complaints against them with the AG.? ?That¡¯s called action.? I posted the link not as any kind of response but as an FYI ?for your consideration as I assumed you were unaware of this. ?It¡¯s either that or you and all of your friends here already know but do not care about the truth.? That¡¯s a different matter altogether. ? I asked you for the facts you stated are in that video because I cannot see the video.? So, are you going to share? You saw the video; I presume you can tell me what you saw. ? The only actionable data presented to me so far is the link you sent re PA corruption. I acknowledged that and you notice action is being taken by the proper authorities.? That is exactly what I am looking for.? Got any more? ??I¡¯m looking for legitimate causes for action. ??Think I¡®ve said that before. ? I imagine you would like to be heard by people outside of the Republican Party and little clandestine groups like this one.? Then this is the kind of information you will have to provide to gain credibility outside of any group that parrots the same old crap ad nauseam and no, you are not getting special treatment; I have to do the same thing. ? My work with homeless people should not be construed as virtue signaling.? The point in that example is the breadth of the human spectrum I engage with: All levels of society, All races, All religions and the list goes on. I have a long list of gay men friends. Let¡¯s hope that is not a faux pas in any circles in present day Los Angeles, CA. ? I have yet to see any facts that cannot be refuted by good authority or any reasoning other than glimmers of your own.? All I have seen are other peoples¡¯ opinions and beliefs and people telling each other how to vote. I did encounter one fellow who was having a hysterical fit due to his interpretation of some proposed legislation. When I asked him where he saw that his response was, oh it¡¯s in there.? Well it was not in there; what was in there was his own misinterpretation of what was stated and that is why he could not tell me where it was.? THIS is the typical response I get when I ask someone for factual data. ? Here is the tax return for True the Vote for 2019.? They have not filed the 2020 return which would have been due 10/15/21 if on extension so they are way past due.? This tax return is another example of the kind of factual data I rely on. ? Yes, in fact, there is a loan for $113k+ to Catherine so that is absolutely true and absolutely AGAINST 501c3 regulation.? The return was filed 2/17/22? so you can say they are running behind, way behind. ? She also took more than 1/3 of the less that $450k in donations received in 2018.? (The tax return was filed late 1/11/21).? I want a job where I get 1/3 of the gross income!? Who is she anyway?? Just an enterprising woman with a pretty face who saw an opportunity to make money off of promoting a lie to others? It¡¯s amazing how stupid the masses are and how sad that is, especially when folks who may be a tad smarter take advantage of the less sophisticated.? Present day morality in the US is another issue entirely. ? So there you have it; I posted a link as an FYI then I pulled and read the tax return to check the statements made in the link and imagine that, the news article (regardless of who wrote it) and the tax return match. ?I call that verification of data not open to anyone¡¯s interpretation.? See how simple that is? ? Enjoy your weekend. ? ~CL ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of sonja nyman via groups.io Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 3:05 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [valleyredspace] You wanted proof? Here's some ? On Friday, June 10, 2022, 03:01:37 PM PDT, robfrankel <rob@...> wrote: You said it yourself; you joined this group to talk with like-minded people.? Someone who only talks with like-minded people is hardly what I would consider to be open-minded. ? ?They can be open-minded, but what's the fun of talking into an echo chamber.? For me, I care less about?what people think than?why they think it.. That's the problems I have with your responses: There's no meat there.? No rationale.? Simply posting links to a biased reference is, unfortunately, what most people on the internet think of as an intelligent response.? It's not.? It's just laziness. ? On another note, someone invited me to this group long ago; I didn¡¯t know the person and don¡¯t recall their name.? I suspect now it was because this group is so different and of one mind.? They sent me here to see what the other side of the world is doing and perhaps to shake things up a bit; to shake people out of their complacency. ?
Which is fine, but you do yourself no favors by merely echoing the same propaganda we hear everywhere else.? You seem to know better than that. ? I engage in dialog with people from all walks of life and have entertained people who were homeless along with Doctors and Lawyers at the same event.? I¡¯m genuinely interested in other peoples¡¯ point of view and have a true desire to understand other people and their needs.? That does not imply I will go down any rabbit holes because of what someone else believes. ? No need to go down any rabbit holes.? However, reviewing the reasoning and data that forms others' opinions can be more rewarding and enlightening than virtue-signaling about homeless people.? It's easy to talk the talk.? Amongst these folks, you need to walk the walk if you want to be taken seriously. ? All I have asked for are facts that I can research and form my own opinion about (I do not need someone to tell me what I should think or do).? Back to the facts, ?none have been presented even by those who claim to have them.? I keep asking:? why is that?? Either you have the ¡°facts¡± or you do not just don¡¯t claim you do if you do not because sooner or later, someone like me is going to ask you to present them.? ?That¡¯s how it works. ?
Well, to be fair, several have presented you with facts.? You've simply either refused to investigate them or dismissed them.? If you've noticed, whenever you've presented any sources or data, people here have checked them out and responded.? ? Kudos to Rob who presented one factual article about corruption in PA prior to 2020.? And yes, it¡¯s real and guess what, those people are being prosecuted, as they should be.? Works for me and I do not care what party they belong to. ? Thanks, but now you need to see?2000 Mules to see just how widespread the voter fraud really is -- and that's just one means of fraud.? It doesn't even begin to address the other events that involved far different means. ? My request for the facts this group claims to have is wholly reasonable and I can¡¯t help but wonder why everyone is so put out about that.? So again, why is that? I ask questions to gain greater understanding but get no tangible answers. ? Okay, watch?2000 Mules.? I've seen it, and I assure you, there is no sermonizing, smearing or campaigning.? It's just raw, factual data.? The film allows you to draw your own conclusions.? If you really are that open-minded, why wouldn't you view it and review the facts you claim you want?
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>> Yes, in fact, there is a loan for $113k+ to Catherine so that is? absolutely true?and absolutely AGAINST 501c3 regulation.?? "Absolutely true", you sure of that??? While the Texas Corporation code that was cited in the article does say that loans to a director are prohibited:
Sec. 22.225. LOAN TO DIRECTOR PROHIBITED. (a) A corporation may not make a loan to a director.
I see no reference to a loan from a director as being prohibited.? And the 2019 Tax Return clearly shows that the $113K+ loan you mention is from an "officer, director" not to an "officer, director". The author of that article made either a huge mistake or is intentionally misleading their readers.? If the latter is true, I wonder how many other misleading statements are in that propaganda...I mean article.
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