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Odyssey comments/questions

 

Thanks for the encouragement and advice, Jack Redman and jacka2,
Tommiez, Rednipcan, and all--I really appreciate it.

We're looking forward to taking a weekend trip as soon as possible,
hopefully by May. Before we set out, I want to get the repairs made
to the Toyota, including the exhaust, steering, and air bags. My
husband did get the Chilton's manual, and it's been helpful already.

I had a few thoughts and questions to share: My friend said we
should fix the idler arm in the steering system sooner rather than
later because big vehicles in need of steering repair will shake
other parts loose and cause extensive damage in a short amount of
time. This friend also suggested we go for headers and a two-pipe
exhaust to improve horsepower and fuel economy. He guessed headers
and exhaust would cost around $400, not too much more than the $150
for a regular muffler replacement. Does anyone ever put headers on
Toyota microminis? I know my friend had dual exhaust, etc. on his VW
camper, and it did improve performance significantly. Would headers
alter the vehicle's performance negatively in any way? Would it
affect ground clearance any?

I don't have the transmission paperwork at hand right now, but I'll
post the details as soon as I can locate it. I do know the parts
breakdown isn't very detailed, but I'll report what I have.

My husband asked the local Toyota dealer service manager what the
compression should be (thanks also for your input, jacka2), and he
said around 170 is normal. He said it's possible to have too-high
compression, often due to carbon build-up, that anything over 220-230
is too high, but that 190 is just fine.

Re. Rednipcan's comments about compresssion numbers matching, I have
heard it's important for the numbers to be in the same range--I once
had a '69 Skylark Special Deluxe (with a 350 engine) with compression
readings ranging between 90-130 and was told this unevenness
indicated more of a problem than the actual compression levels
themselves.

(I was wondering, do folks here use any engine or fuel additives to
improve performance and/or engine life in their Toyota motorhomes?)

A more thorough inspection of the rig reveals only one new problem,
though I'm hoping it's not too major. There's a slight bulging in
the paneling along the refrigerator (we have the Santa Fe Odyssey
model, if that means anything to anyone), which is located next to
the bathroom in the rear. There's a panel covering the side of the
fridge and going along the back of the couch, and in the middle of
this panel, it bows out slightly and there's a one-inch crack in the
paneling. There's no visible water damage, but I wonder if there's
some sort of water leakage/moisture coming from inside the paneling,
from the fridge, or what caused this.

We didn't notice it when we bought it, and it doesn't look too bad,
but I'm a little concerned. Other than this, things look good.

One last question (for tonight!): The folks we bought it from put a
10" or so television into one of the upper cupboards, and put wood
trim around it so it's sealed in. He used open-cell foam to cushion
the tv and make it fit into the space, but this can't be okay, as
electronic equipment must need more ventilation than this. I wonder
if it's safe for it to be in a cupboard space at all--does anyone
else have any insight or experience with this sort of issue? Is it
okay for the tv to be inset like this into the cupboard space above
the couch? Will it overheat and create a fire danger? Any thoughts
or opinions welcome.

best,

Rosannah


Re: rear axle(again)

Michael Smith
 

Chris,

In my opinion you would be making a mistake to purchase a rig that has had
an axle recall unless you had imediate plans to replace the axle and the
price of the unit was reflective of the need for a $2000 repair and still a
good deal at that. It's not that it will ruin your day if your axle breaks
off it's that it can kill you or some other folks on the road. The National
Highway Transortation Safety Administration does not issue recalls litely,
nor does Toyota participate in such a recall without good reason. Remember
what can and does happen. The axle breaks and the wheels leave the vechile
taking rear brakeing with them.

If it isn't a good deal after adding the price of the axle fix it isn't a
good deal.

Michaeal Smith




chsar@... wrote:

I really want a toyota rv, and I've read the messages for 3 months
now, but.. I get really excited when one comes up for sale in my city
and IF I buy one with the 1/2 ton axle, am I definitely asking for
disaster? can I change the bearings and take light weekend trips
(300mi. roundtrip) until I find a 1ton replacement?? I couldnt take a
long trip(days or weeks travel)anytime soon,so I wouldnt be putting
myself in a position of trouble for a while, so what do you folks
think? I will trust the experience and knowledge of the group, I just
get worried that I wont see another sunraider model as cheap as this
one. thanks chris

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MEDICINE CABINET

JERRY E. BROADWAY
 

Does anyone have a place to get the
small medicine cabinet that was in
the 1985 Sunrader? Long story, but I
took mine out to clean it and the
mirrow was broken. Just need to replace
the whole thing, since I'm remodeling
the interior anyway.


Re: chialo

Michael Smith
 

Tonniez,

I think you lucked out. In my search for an axle kit I called National and
they said that they didn't have any. You must have an in there. Do be
careful installing your new axle. I had a shop do mine but they screwed the
shock mount up so bad that I had to totally redo it. I was under my rig at
one point when I realized that both ubolts on each side must be in place for
the unit to be secure. I only had one on each side on. It freaked me out to
realize that I could have easily made a mistake that could have ended my
toyota rving days in a hurry and for good.

Do you know what the difference was in the three different axle kits? My
guess is that it is either shock mounting or gear ratio. It would be great
information to know which kit should go with which rig. Do you think it
would be possible to find out from your contact that information? Sorry to
hear about your back, mine does the exact same thing. I'm out for 3 days
every time. Nothing seems to help but I wouldn't use a heating pad if I were
you. Ice is usually the best for the first few days.

Michael Smith


tommiez@... wrote:

Jack, Chialo is down the 2 freeway about 25 miles past Mt. Wilson.
About 7 miles past Chialo is a camp ground called Buckhorn. I think
Buckhorn is the closest thing to the Sequioa's that I have neem
without going there. chialo is about 6 thousand feet and Buck horn
7300.. they are so nice. Buck horn the nicest. Where is the place you
talked about? is it in the mountains?...TOmmy...PS...
I checked for a rear axle at 2 junk yards here in La and
they both got $1200.OO FOR A USED REAR AXLE.One of the places for
$1000.00 for one without the 3rd member. They said the used rims sell
for $100.00 each. So a thousand for the whole 9 yards that have
never been used seemed worth it for sure. after my back is better and
I get it all in I will tell you how it works and how hard the whole
thing was.. Bye..Tommy

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Re: rear axle(again)

Jack Redman
 

Hi Chris,

Welcome to the group.

Some will say that the weak axle is a disaster waiting to happen,
so beware.

On the other hand, the camper you are considering has survived for
all these years, and with caution and preventive maintenance it
should continue to work well. I believe the latter is true. I
have personally talked to people with smaller units (18 feet or so) with the weak axle. They are careful not to overload them, and
they are doing just fine.

So, if you like the Sunrader I say you should get it. Your choices
are pretty limited when it comes to a small motorhome. These
Toyota units have a loyal following whose experience and advice is gladly shared.

Jack R


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Re: chialo

 

Jack, Chialo is down the 2 freeway about 25 miles past Mt. Wilson.
About 7 miles past Chialo is a camp ground called Buckhorn. I think
Buckhorn is the closest thing to the Sequioa's that I have neem
without going there. chialo is about 6 thousand feet and Buck horn
7300.. they are so nice. Buck horn the nicest. Where is the place you
talked about? is it in the mountains?...TOmmy...PS...
I checked for a rear axle at 2 junk yards here in La and
they both got $1200.OO FOR A USED REAR AXLE.One of the places for
$1000.00 for one without the 3rd member. They said the used rims sell
for $100.00 each. So a thousand for the whole 9 yards that have
never been used seemed worth it for sure. after my back is better and
I get it all in I will tell you how it works and how hard the whole
thing was.. Bye..Tommy


rear axle

 

I went to National RV in Perris California and bought a
rear axle kit from them for my 1986 Rogue. It was one of the kits
that they used when they do the recall. It comes with a complete 1
ton rear end, and 4 rims. All was in a crate from Toyota. It was
obviously many years old. Had never been opened. It also had brake
lines, and u bolts with lower shock plate. The rear end is a complete
unit. Brakes, drums, 3rd member.. The whole 9 yards. I gave the guy
my VIN number and he looked up which kit it would use from that. The
kit cost me $1000.00.. They said it is about a 4 hour job. A job at
one of the shops I had called when looking for a rear end had told me
that they had it down to a science when they were installing them
everyday. He said they could complete a job in about 1 1/2 hours.
Anyhow , I brought it home. put my Grace "that is the motorhomes
name" on jack stands and had the old rear end out in less than an
hour. I uncrated the new one and pulled my back out while trying to
move it under Grace. How I in bed with a heating pad.. It is really
hard to accept, getting older that is. I used to be able to do
anything or pick anything up, now it doesn't give me any
warning..Boom.. so I have Grace on jack stands in the driveway and
she will ne there for a few days till I am better..Don't think I will
try and move it again on my own. It looks like it will be pretty
straight foreward. They told me at National that the only extra
things I would need would be brake fluid and I would have to make a
way to hook the emergency brake cables up. For anyone interested.
they had more rear ends. there were 3 different ones for the
motorhomes. I am sure they would sell more.I assume they would. If
your interested I will pass on the contact info to you. Bye for
now..Tommy


Re: toyota/MH service&repair in MI.

 

-Hi Owen & Amy, we have only had our toyota/winabago since march 1st
2001,and havent even camped in it yet! We paid $12500 for it and feel
that was a fair price,considering it was a one owner trade in to an RV
dealer.We would love to show it too you,and hope all of us MI toyota
campers,can get togeather sometime this year. I work in livonia at
the Observer & Eccentric newspaper.Thats all for now,happy
camping.Allen & Linda
-- In toyota-campers@y..., owenwinkler99@h... wrote:

Allen....that was YOUR motorhome?!!!!!.....wow, is yours a LOT
nicer
than ours.....i am sure you've posted this info before, but:
how long have you had it??...
how much did you pay (if you don't mind me asking)?...because it
looks very new...and i so bad wanted to go inside and check it
out...but i didn't

it looked like you had the cruise control on the steering
wheel...ours is an after market one taped to our steering
column....i
think i like yours better....

do you work around farmington hills??

talk to you soon,
owen & amy


--- In toyota-campers@y..., amrock@p... wrote:
-Hi owen,that was my 91 warrior MH having the V6 head gasket
recall being done at bob sacks toyota.Small world,You work about
3 miles from our house!.I hope you have a great trip to the
mountains
We will all look forward to hearing all about it when you get
back.
Happy toyota MH camping and have a safe trip.Allen & Linda.
-- In toyota-campers@y..., owenwinkler99@h... wrote:


Hi Allan & Linda,

Amy and I live in Westland, but I (Owen) work in Farmington
Hills
@
TRW (right off Research Drive off 10 mile....just down the
street
from
Bob sacks Toyota....which is where I bought my oil filter and
upper
rad hose).

Harold's is a good shop....after looking at our MH they told us
it
needed nothing (pretty honest I would say) and I have had much
work
done there.

Thanks for the recommendation of Bob Sacks...for some reason I
never
thought of going there for srevice....although on my last trip
there
I
did see a very nice Toyota MH being serviced there.....it
looked
a
lot
newer than ours....

We will be gone during the proposed get together, but we will
be
in
touch.

Owen & Amy
--- In toyota-campers@y..., amrock@p... wrote:
Thanks for the tip Owen & Amy,On harolds frame shop in novi
& redford MI.You Are the second person to recomed them.For
engine service you might try Bob sacks Toyota in Farmington
MI.They did my Headgasket recall & timeing belt repair on my
91 V6 Warrior MH.They did a good job and seemed fair and
Honest.
Linda & I are in Farmington Hills MI,Where are you guys from?
Thanks again and happy camping.
PS,we have two kids but they are out of the car seats now.I
would
agree with the newest posting about car seats,and make sure
the
seat
belts are bolted through the floor and have big washers
under/over
the
bolts.The car seat should face forward or backward as per the
carseat
instructions.Good luck with kids/seats.


Re: toyota/MH service&repair in MI.

 

Allen....that was YOUR motorhome?!!!!!.....wow, is yours a LOT nicer
than ours.....i am sure you've posted this info before, but:
how long have you had it??...
how much did you pay (if you don't mind me asking)?...because it
looks very new...and i so bad wanted to go inside and check it
out...but i didn't

it looked like you had the cruise control on the steering
wheel...ours is an after market one taped to our steering column....i
think i like yours better....

do you work around farmington hills??

talk to you soon,
owen & amy


--- In toyota-campers@y..., amrock@p... wrote:
-Hi owen,that was my 91 warrior MH having the V6 head gasket
recall being done at bob sacks toyota.Small world,You work about
3 miles from our house!.I hope you have a great trip to the
mountains
We will all look forward to hearing all about it when you get back.
Happy toyota MH camping and have a safe trip.Allen & Linda.
-- In toyota-campers@y..., owenwinkler99@h... wrote:


Hi Allan & Linda,

Amy and I live in Westland, but I (Owen) work in Farmington Hills
@
TRW (right off Research Drive off 10 mile....just down the street
from
Bob sacks Toyota....which is where I bought my oil filter and
upper
rad hose).

Harold's is a good shop....after looking at our MH they told us it
needed nothing (pretty honest I would say) and I have had much
work
done there.

Thanks for the recommendation of Bob Sacks...for some reason I
never
thought of going there for srevice....although on my last trip
there
I
did see a very nice Toyota MH being serviced there.....it looked
a
lot
newer than ours....

We will be gone during the proposed get together, but we will be
in
touch.

Owen & Amy
--- In toyota-campers@y..., amrock@p... wrote:
Thanks for the tip Owen & Amy,On harolds frame shop in novi
& redford MI.You Are the second person to recomed them.For
engine service you might try Bob sacks Toyota in Farmington
MI.They did my Headgasket recall & timeing belt repair on my
91 V6 Warrior MH.They did a good job and seemed fair and Honest.
Linda & I are in Farmington Hills MI,Where are you guys from?
Thanks again and happy camping.
PS,we have two kids but they are out of the car seats now.I
would
agree with the newest posting about car seats,and make sure the
seat
belts are bolted through the floor and have big washers
under/over
the
bolts.The car seat should face forward or backward as per the
carseat
instructions.Good luck with kids/seats.


rear axle(again)

 

I really want a toyota rv, and I've read the messages for 3 months
now, but.. I get really excited when one comes up for sale in my city
and IF I buy one with the 1/2 ton axle, am I definitely asking for
disaster? can I change the bearings and take light weekend trips
(300mi. roundtrip) until I find a 1ton replacement?? I couldnt take a
long trip(days or weeks travel)anytime soon,so I wouldnt be putting
myself in a position of trouble for a while, so what do you folks
think? I will trust the experience and knowledge of the group, I just
get worried that I wont see another sunraider model as cheap as this
one. thanks chris


Rear Axle

Jack Redman
 

Hi everybody. I saw this ad in the Recycler for a Toyota
differential. I called and was told that this 1990 Toyota
1 ton truck was to be salvaged, and the complete rear end,
drum to drum, was for sale for $350, repeat, $350. The
truck was a 4 cyl with a 4 speed manual trans. The phone
number is (818) 989-9976 (Los Angeles area). Good luck to
anyone needing a 1 ton Toyota rear axle.

Jack R


Chilao CG Re:Tommize.

 

Tommize.

I'm curious about Chilao CG. Where is it?

I know what you mean about the constant back-
ground noise. We lived in North Hollywood and
Santa Monica for 18 yrs. LA's hum was always
there. We tried to get away from it every chance
we could. We camped with the old VW Micros then.
Later we got a water-boxer Vanagon. The old Camp
ground we loved so much, Cottonwood, out by
Newhall, is long since flooded and is now a water
source for LA.

The Toyota is far and away a better machine
then any of the VW campers. And yes I too enjoy
the mechanics of these things, (We did the old
airplanes too) so I'm hooked. By next year, this
list will be a super source of mechanical
information on old Toyota campers. Sure glad
you joined us.

Keep us posted on that axle convert (what a
good buy you got on that lucky find) BTW what
came with that kit?

PS. Really neat Tika getting married at
the Chilao camp ground.

Jack A2


Rosannah's New Odyssey.

 

Hi Rosannah

You sure did your homework on buying this rig.
the double check with the other trans house was
the way to go.

When you have some time let the list know what
was on the old trans bill and what was done.
This will be great for our Archives.

Last notes: The book calls for a compression
of 171 on the 22Re. So you are well above
minimums. The engine is rated at 116 hp @ 4800
rpms. Torque is 140 ftlbs @ 2800 rpm. The
service manual is Chiltion's #(8578) 68600
at Wal-Mart and most auto parts stores $12-
$14.(Don't buy the Haynes It's not as good)
This is a good book to have with you on
a trip even if you don't work on your own
machine.

Enjoy your new Toy.
and welcome to the group.

Jack A2


Rosannah's New Odyssey.

 

Hi Rosannah

You sure did your homework on buying this rig.
the double check with the other trans house was
the way to go.

When you have some time let the list know what
was on the old trans bill and what was done.
This will be great for our Archives.

Last notes: The book calls for a compression
of 171 on the 22Re. So you are well above
minimums. The engine is rated at 116 hp @ 4800
rpms. Torque is 140 ftlbs @ 2800 rpm. The
service manual is Chiltion's #(8578) 68600
at Wal-Mart and most auto parts stores $12-
$14. This is a good book to have with you on
a trip even if you don't work on your own
machine.

Enjoy your new Toy.
and welcome to the group.

Jack A2


Re: Odyssey update

Jack Redman
 

Hey Rosannah, I am very happy for you. You are ready to experience
some of the best times of your life.

In the past hour we just returned from a two night camping trip to
the Anza-Borrego State Park, just North East of San Diego. It was
a lot of fun, and the wildflowers were beautiful.

The best part of the trip was staying in our camper. Another couple
went with us, but they had to stay in some permanent lodging at the
campsite. It was not very good, and they spent most of the time in
our camper.

Our little camper just purred right along. There is a long (7 mile)
steep climb leaving Borrego Springs. Our camper was in first gear
the whole time, with the air conditioner running ... and not even a
hint of overheating.

I am anxious to hear about your camping experiences.

Jack R
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Chinook Roof Air

 

I have a 1978 Chinook Plus 2 Motorhome and have located a new 7500
btu roof air for it. The factory said that there is a place made for
the roof air but they do not know the location. If any of you have a
Chinook of this vintage please let me know so I can locate the
correct spot for the roof air.

Thanks Willie Agans


Motorhome Camping at Chilao

 

I saw your post Tommy -- Chilao IS a nice Forest Service
campground. So nice in fact that it is where my husband and I
chose to get married. Our wedding was in the Chilao Meadow
area. We took two motorhomes for the day, our Toyota for the
groom & groomsmen to dress in, and a larger class C for the
bridesmaids and myself. We put up a gazebo and afterwards
had a lovely catered reception in the meadow. We will celebrate
our 10th anniversary in July. The motorhomes helped us have
our wedding in a place we loved. Tika


Re: Attn. Michigan Toyota Campers (MTC)

 

--- In toyota-campers@y..., jacka2@e... wrote:
MTC'ers How about a fun, short, boondock,
weekend trip to Alpena.

Great Forest Service campground right on
the lake. 8.00 a night. (no hookups or
showers) quite, private, little used spot.
30 campsites +-. Dogs Ok. Beach for the
kids.

Try around last of May, 1st of June ?

Neighbor and I will each bring a rig.

Jack A2
86 Sunrader (Neighbor has 86 Sunland) both
22Re.
Jack, sure wish we could make the trip to Alpena, but that is about
the only free weekend we have in the last of May and early June. I
used to go bow hunting in Alpena a few years back and my sister and
bro-in-law still live there near Males Corners. Hope we can all link
up sometime this summer. Happy camping Stan/sw Mi.


Re: Changing the engine thermostat

 

--- In toyota-campers@y..., owenwinkler99@h... wrote:


Hello all,

Well Amy and I are getting ready for our trip and I just finished
changing the radiator hoses & clamps. I had to buy an upper
radiator
hose from the dealership ($16) because the one I bought from
Murray's
was not quite correct. I had to bend it too much to make it fit,
and
that made me feel uncomfortable with it holding up in the mountains.

I also removed the thermostat and am replacing it with a 180 degree
one. I have done this many times on other vehicles but I have found
something new on my Toyota. There is no paper-like material gasket
between the thermostat housing where it attaches to the engine. But
there is a rubber seal that goes around the thermostat itself. Do I
need to put any sealant between the thermostat housing and the
engine?? It looks like a very neat way to seal it up (the rubber
seal
I mean) but I have never seen it done this way. Any help.....

See ya on the road,

Owen & Amy
Owen.

Stop. Use only the Toyota OEM thermostat from the dealer.

Yes, the thermo is sealed with blue RTV.

Get the Chiltons manual #70-88 (8578) before you do anything
more on your machine. (Don't buy the Haynes.).

The electronic system on board is an OBd1 and both the engine
and Trans (if auto) depend upon temp sensor readings to deliver
top performance. Don't use the wrong themostat.

Jack A2


Re: toyota/MH service&repair in MI.

 

-Hi owen,that was my 91 warrior MH having the V6 head gasket
recall being done at bob sacks toyota.Small world,You work about
3 miles from our house!.I hope you have a great trip to the mountains
We will all look forward to hearing all about it when you get back.
Happy toyota MH camping and have a safe trip.Allen & Linda.
-- In toyota-campers@y..., owenwinkler99@h... wrote:


Hi Allan & Linda,

Amy and I live in Westland, but I (Owen) work in Farmington Hills @
TRW (right off Research Drive off 10 mile....just down the street
from
Bob sacks Toyota....which is where I bought my oil filter and upper
rad hose).

Harold's is a good shop....after looking at our MH they told us it
needed nothing (pretty honest I would say) and I have had much work
done there.

Thanks for the recommendation of Bob Sacks...for some reason I never
thought of going there for srevice....although on my last trip there
I
did see a very nice Toyota MH being serviced there.....it looked a
lot
newer than ours....

We will be gone during the proposed get together, but we will be in
touch.

Owen & Amy
--- In toyota-campers@y..., amrock@p... wrote:
Thanks for the tip Owen & Amy,On harolds frame shop in novi
& redford MI.You Are the second person to recomed them.For
engine service you might try Bob sacks Toyota in Farmington
MI.They did my Headgasket recall & timeing belt repair on my
91 V6 Warrior MH.They did a good job and seemed fair and Honest.
Linda & I are in Farmington Hills MI,Where are you guys from?
Thanks again and happy camping.
PS,we have two kids but they are out of the car seats now.I would
agree with the newest posting about car seats,and make sure the
seat
belts are bolted through the floor and have big washers under/over
the
bolts.The car seat should face forward or backward as per the
carseat
instructions.Good luck with kids/seats.