Which to believe
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I have an Elecraft XG3 signal source that I use for troubleshooting radios. It outputs a square wave full of harmonics that can be set for -107dBm,-73dBm, or -33dBm. I have attached some screenshots from my Oscilliscope and the tinySA. When I was using the tinySA with the windows app the app measurement did not agree with what I see on the screen. So basically none of my readings agree. The scope measurements kind of bother me because they are pretty far off. This is not a lab quality scope (Hantek DS02D15) but I did not think it would be this far off. Just wanting some input on how to resolve these differences. thanks.
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How to find this signal with all its harmonics
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Hi, I am am since a year a radio amateur, and i am learing moren and more but also finding interference issues here and i want to find them and if possible eliminate them. For this i ordered the TinySA as tool. I am suffering of a disturbance signal over the 2m and 70 cm band, it seems it is extreem strong and has a lot of harmonics toe. The idea is to make analyses during lets say an hour and find out of the interference is time driven or nog, and how wide this interferance is over the bands. On my SDR i can only see a part of it. Attached some of the sreenshots i made, and if someone recognise it, please tell me what it could be, it is day and night... An approach, or point out documents and or youtube recordings that could help me are welcome. in the filename is de date and time, it seems the issue is every 10 minutes but i am not 100% sure, this is also something i would like to learn if i could make a recording of the spectrum and that way find the spikes in time. Thanks for your suggestions Eelco de PD1EG
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TinySA 3.5mm jack
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I don't want to force a standard 3.5mm 3 conductor jack all the way into my TinySA Ultra and take a change of breaking it. Has anyone tried using a two conductor jack and, if so, did it make the channel connections despite not being fully seated? Thanks,
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TinySA Ultra Interval trigger still not working
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Hi Erik, Back in 2023 I reported that the Interval trigger feature you implemented for me on the TinySA was not working properly on the TinySA Ultra. Today I upgraded the firmware on my TinySA Ultra to tinySA4_v1.4-196-g1e9c187.bin and I tested the Interval trigger feature again and it's still not working properly. My test is to feed in a 60 or 120 Hz square wave (which is rich in harmonics) into the TinySA Ultra, set the TinySA Ultra to Zero Span mode with a frequency of 1.8 MHz, set the display sweep time to 20 msec, select interval trigger with a time of 16.66 msec and I should see spikes that are stationary (very little movement left or right) but I do not get stationary spikes on the TinySA Ultra whereas I do on the TinySA when doing this same test. Sure would be nice to get this feature working properly on the TinySA Ultra as the TinySA Ultra has the built in LNA as well as expanded frequency coverage. I'm sure your buried with the new TinySA Ultra Plus (congrats) but please put this on your to do list if possible. Thanks, Don (wd8dsb)
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A feature request: Zooming with two fingers
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My Android smart phone has that feature. You can zoom/enlarge the screen image by spreading two fingers on the screen. Is this possible with TinySA in the future?
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TinySA ULTRA LEVEL CAL -> Signal Level incorrect
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#ultra
zeenko store (aliexpress) Order date: Dec 18, 2022 I have tinysa ULTRA with HW V0.4.5.1. Apply a new firmware today tinySA4_v1.4-33-ga8bffcf.bin to my TinuSa ULTRA CONFIG -> MORE -> CLEAR CONFIG CONFIG -> LEVEL CAL -> RESET CALIBLATION & CALIBLATE 100kHz to 5.34GHz an error was displayed. >1T 30.00026MHz -60,9dBm/T Signal Level incorrect Check cable between connection connectors Touch screen to continue I have reverted to the firmware around the date of purchase. Can I install the latest firmware? tinySA4_v1.3-556-g9825888.bin is CALIBLATION and SELF TEST OK tinySA4_v1.3-563-g1da836e.bin is Signal Level incorrect Masahiro Kusunoki/JP3SRS
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TinySa as RF generator
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Indeed, in the CONFIG/EXPERT CONFIG/FREQ CORR menu you can make a correction of the output frequency when Tinysa Ultra is configured in generator mode. The value to be entered must be negative if you want to increase the frequency and positive if you want to decrease the frequency. But the value to be entered does not correspond to the difference of the frequency entered in the Tinysa with respect to that of the precision frequency meter, at least that is what I have found. You have to try the correction value to reach a compromise point. Nor is this value the same for frequencies of, for example, 100-500-800 MHz or 1-2-3 GHz. In addition, you always have to wait a while until the RF output stabilizes. I don't know if it is due to the precision of the internal TCXO or some other factor. I mention this data in case it can be used for some kind of improvement in a large project like TinySa ultra, which is already being asked for too much in terms of its cost, and which cannot be compared with much more expensive and sophisticated laboratory equipment. Thank you and best regards. Efectivamente en el men¨² CONFIG/EXPERT CONFIG/FREQ CORR se puede hacer una correcci¨®n de la frecuencia de salida cuando Tinysa Ultra se configura en modo generador. El valor que hay que introducir debe ser negativo si se quiere subir de frecuencia y positivo si se quiere bajar de frecuencia. Pero el valor que hay que introducir no corresponde con la diferencia de la frecuencia introducida en el Tinysa respecto a la del Frecuenc¨ªmetro de precisi¨®n, al menos eso es lo que yo he comprobado. Hay que ir tanteando el valor de correcci¨®n para llegar a un punto de compromiso. Tampoco ese valor es igual para frecuencias de por ejemplo 100-500-800 MHz o 1-2-3 GHz Adem¨¢s siempre hay que esperar un tiempo hasta que la salida de RF se estabiliza. No s¨¦ si ser¨¢ debido a la precisi¨®n del TCXO interno o a alg¨²n otro factor. Estos datos los comento por si sirven para alg¨²n tipo de mejora en un gran proyecto como TinySa ultra al que ya se le est¨¢ pidiendo demasiado en funci¨®n del coste que tiene, y que no se puede comparar con instrumental mucho m¨¢s caro y sofisticado de laboratorio. Gracias y un saludo
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Can the Tinysa Ultra's RF output be calibrated in generator mode?
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Hello. First of all, congratulations on a great job with the Tinysa ultra. I have the ZS405 version with firmware 1.4-192 and I would like to discuss a topic with you. The frequency accuracy in RF generator mode. I have checked the output at different frequencies and there are errors which are the following: 1MHz +6.5Hz; 10MHz +3.8Hz; 50MHz -8Hz; 100MHz -23Hz; 200MHz -51.4Hz; 300MHz -81Hz; 500MHz -142Hz; 800MHz -242Hz; 1GHz -350Hz; 2GHz -611Hz; 3GHz -900Hz I cannot check beyond 3GHz because the Tinysa ultra does not have enough dBm output for my GPS-referenced frequency counter and the preamplifier I have only reaches up to 3GHz.
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tiny sa ultra zs407
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Hello. I am a radio amateur. Mostly I build and repair my own transverters.The tiny sa ultra is just fine for servicing my gear right up to 6 cm (5760 MHZ). I also need to work on my transverter 3 cm ( 10368 MHZ). The comparison table for different models of tiny sa ultra show for zs406 and 407 that one can use some kind of harmonic mode.It would be wonderful for 3cm But how do you do that?Sweeping in harmonic mode...So I need information...how and where.. . I would even buy a second tiny sa ultra and this time the newest ultra plus zs407 , but I first have to know about my possibilities on 3cm.Thank you for any help. ?
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TinySA Ultra (405) - maximum detectable GHz?
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#ultra
I'm working on resurrecting a Wiltron 6600 series sweeper (10 MHz - 18 GHz) with multiple problems (I think it was a combination of salvage parts). My old systron donner 762-2A spectrum analzyer (and a 436/8484 power meter) have been helping, but it occurred to me that the TinySA Ultra might help (as in detecting presence of a signal) as well, and perhaps aid in validating the sweeper's output (through appropriate attenuators; the YIGs can kick out +15..+20 dBm.) I'm curious as to how the original ("405"?) version Ultra can be expected to behave when encountering a (single) signal (a sort-of stable carrier from a fundamental-mode YIG oscillator) far above the ~5 GHz Ultra-mode ceiling? I suspect this has been covered (either by developer, by experimenter, or both) but my searches in the group archives didn't yield anything that might apply. Thanks!
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TinySA ULTRA vers TinySA ULTRA+ - FW issue in release -193- & -196- but not -175-
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Hi TinySA experts, I'm observed an issue comparing the Ultra+ (ZS-407, V0.5.4) vers the old ULTRA (HW V0.4.5.1.1). I purchased two devices of both HW Versions, so my tests were run on four devices. The ULTRA+ device shows independent of used FW Ver. -193- and -196- and independent of remote control or direct screen operation the attached spectrum (center 500MHz, span 10kHz, RBW 1kHz) After some experiments with different and older FW I figured out that the observed behavior is not HW related but only observed when using FW release -193- or -196- but is nor occurring in FW -175- The Input is terminated with 50Ohm. I attached some pictures to point out my observation. Thanks in advance for checking and solving teh observed issue in a new FW release. Markus PS.: Sorry The Forum-SW removed my '+' sign from the attached file names.
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Scanning for unknown mobile phone
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Hey folks, I've bought a TinySA a while ago for some other project, but something has cropped up that makes me wonder if it can help here. I'm not an RF professional, I know enough to know I don't know anything. A good friend is going through a breakup, and there's credible evedince their evicted ex has been spying on them. We did find a hidden smartphone running a baby monitor app already. Wifi/Network are changed, so any devices relying on that (e.g. ESP32-equipped power bars) are eliminated. However we have reason to suspect there's a cellphone hidden in or the vicinity of the bedroom. My current approach is to inspect the power outlets one by one to see if a power supply has been connected and the setup stowed away behind some paneling. I wonder if there's a way to use the TinySA to home in on such a device as well. I've done some limited resarch into it, and found e.g. videos of people using a HackRF to decode some cellular traffic between the base station and their smartphone. These were quite sophisticated, seemed to rely both on a lot of protocol knowledge (I don't have) and even prior information from the smartphone itself about used channels/modulations, that for obvious reasons also are unknown. I don't even know which kind of technology is being used. 3G, 4G are most likely, but these to my knowledge are umbrella-terms that cover a broad range of frequencies and modulations and other protocol details. So I'm just overwhelmed where to start. If somebody has some idea if the TinySA can be used to at least detect the presence if not precise location of a cell phone so we can be sure that we have to rip half the room apart, that would be splendid. I know it's a moonshot and if it is just not working that way, then I'll accept that as well. Thanks for your consideration, and I'll be back in the future with my actual purpose I bought the little bugger for. Cheers, Diez
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New FW release: Removed spur on ZS-407
New FW release Version V1.4196 Changes: - Removed spur on ZS-407 -- Designer of the tinySA For more info go to https://tinysa.org/wiki
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Physical size?
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There¡¯s a picture of the various tinySAs on the wiki that implies that the Ultra+ is physically larger than the Ultra. If it is, what are its dimensions? I can¡¯t find them in the specs. _._,_._,_
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Quick general questions on persisting the calibration data
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On a Z405 SW ver. 1.4-156 will saving the config (Menu: Storage|Save Config) also save all calibration data including the tables and individual level corrections? At the same token, when "resetting" the calibration, will that reinstate the factory defaults on this category and delete all additional level correction entrees (if indeed they are all saved as taken?) ? A second question: In the "expert config" are undocumented entries: "direct mode" and "linear averaging", what are they, where can I find a complete manual to do my RTFM? I would imagine that the linear averaging means that when enabled (default ?) it will blend the level calibration (table) pieces where they are concatenated? Still being new to this and currently trying to calibrate a little better (or perhaps purpose oriented) than the internal automatic calibration is doing. Thanks in advance Lutz
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ZS-407 is here
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TinySA Ultra Plus ZS-407 on Aliexpress: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008185023851.html?
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Ham bands
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Hi Erik, I just noticed that the Ham Band shading is incorrect for three of the USA band allocations. (I didn't check bands above 800MHz.) The 75/80 Meter band is 3.5 MHz - 4.0 MHz, but is only shaded from 3.5-3.8. The 40 Meter band is 7.0 MHz - 7.3 MHz, but is only shaded from 7.0-7.2. The 6 Meter band is 50.1 - 54.0 MHz, but is only shaded from 50.0 - 52.0.
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Tiny ULTRA. Scan made with in bundle antenna. is it a normal spectrum?
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Hi guys, Calibrated and did all the things necessary to run it correctly with ultra path enabled. Scanned my office with the in bundle antenna and there are for sure both 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz wifi. The 5Ghz is not present at all and the nearest frequency near the 2.4Ghz is 2.16. Is it a normal behavior? Thanks
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wanting to update firmware.......
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Hello, I bought my Tiny SA Ultra some time ago from the suggested supplier so I am led to believe it is genuine. I have been lurking here for some time and have seen many messages from people who have "stuffed" their Tiny SA ultra's because they bought a clone. I worry about upgrading mine, just healthy paranoia :) Is there something I can post about my Tiny that will tell me that it is an original before I upgrade the firmware. I know Erik knows. I'm not asking for the "secret" to determining clone v original, just want to confirm that mine is original. Thanks Mark
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SA Ultra in Listen mode on startup
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I once turned on Listen mode on my TinySA ultra and shut it down - now it starts up in Listen mode by default every time; I have to manually uncheck the "Listen" checkbox at each startup. It saves all settings (e.g. frequencies) except the now unchecked "Listen" mode Version: v1.4-137-g1806825 Is there a way to reset this behaviour to factory default (i.e. start up in normal display mode), without deleting the factory calibration data? Looked at the firmware changelog, couldn't find a bugfix for this particular issue.
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