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Is 20 square feet a space one by 20, 2 by 10, or 4 by 5
Darryl Huffman
Anchorage, Alaska

Darryl (and list),

20' square is just an estimation. I'm an apartment dweller and
usually find small 'shelf' layouts to be all I can find room for. In
the apartment I'm in now, for example, I have had layouts of 6'x6';
6'x10';and 8'x12' in the last two years. None have been any wider
than 16" and all were simply "L" shaped (no continuous running).

The reasons for the changes are not because I was un happy with
either the layouts construction or design, but because of the small
living quaters I have. I find the layout gets "too heavy" in any
given corner of the apartment and, like the furniture, I want to re-
arrange my house to have a fresh perspective. (My wife has allot to
do with this.)

5 years ago I switched from N to HO because I beleive that I can
enjoy the detail in the small space better with HO than in N. When
the sapce is too small for much of a railroad - even in N - you need
to fill it with more detailing and less stuff. This is just an
opinion, but it fits with what I like.

Anyway, I guess you could say that I'm just searching for new
idea's. Then, if I find one I like, I can see where in my small
place I can put it.

Thanks for your time,
Donovan in Dallas

Dononvan in Dallas asked about small track plans.

Donovan,

About 6 years ago I began subscriptions to two English magazines:
Continental Modeller and Railway Modeller. These magazines specialize in
layout designs for small areas.

There are also several English track plan books available.

When you go through other model railroad magazines, look for portions of
track plans to see if anything strikes your fancy.

Give us some ideas about what your interests are and what scale or scales
you like to work in.

Is 20 square feet a space one by 20, 2 by 10, or 4 by 5
Darryl Huffman
Anchorage, Alaska

Like model trains?
Check out my photos at www.darrylhuffman.50megs.com/

I've been posting track plans to this group (and others), and I've
seen the other files posted to this group. Occasionally I will get
to a new web site that someone has a link to with good designs I can
view (I have about 20 ear-marked right now).

But....are there others?

I'd hoped there would be oodles of them when I first got my own
computer last year, but after searching the web I still am
dissapointed in the variety available to those of us with smaller
spaces available. Any good suggestions would be welcome.

Donovan in Dallas

PS Remember, by small I mean less than 20 square feet.

Hello group,

I have just uploaded a jpg of the first draft of my layout I am
planning. The grid is set on 1 foot squares. I am modeling a
freelance N scale RR set in the early 50's. The track that is just
hanging out there goes to a helix I haven't put into the plan yet.
That track is being elevated as it goes so the elevation starts at
the turnout and reaches almost 3 inches at the beginning of the
helix. Please review the plan and let me know what needs to be
changed. The yard is one of my biggest concerns. The track coming in
around the back of the plan or on the outside of the 'U' comes from
the left side which is a staging yard under the helix and then around
the town and into Hayle Yards. This is mainly used as an interchange
track with the SP and SnowCat & Western RR. The lower run or
inner 'U' track is a local freight that will also go up the helix to
another level once completed. The dark line between the staging
tracks and the three industries I have out there is a backdrop that
will reach from lower level to the upper level.

I am new at this but am trying to make sure I keep the Yard 10
commandments in mind while I was designing it. Please comment the
heck out of it so that I can try to eliminate any bottle necks or
troubles I might encounter. The main will have #6 turnouts and once
in the yard, it goes to #4. Thank you so much for your time and
suggestions on this.

John Summers
CEO SnowCat & Western RR

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I hope the only access isn't from one of the 3' sides! :-)

If you mean prototype to ponder as modeling scenes go to the north end of
Alexandria next to the river up near the power plant and see the curving
track that serves two warehouses with a very sharp turnout to make a second
track for the one warehouse. Definitely something to model.

Or come out towards Reston and follow the W&OD trail to see some 100+ year
old culverts, the old station a Wiehle, the brick City Hall that became the
bonded warehouse for the distillery and the town Gazebo by the ice skating
pond. Purcellville at the end of the 45 mile trail has a restored station,
funky feed mill and other sheds from railroad days along with a 4th of July
parade. Old station at herndon is also restored as a museum.

Grandad's Hobby Shop in Springfield-Braddock Road exit off 495 take the
road on the east side of the shopping center about 1/2 mile it is on the
right si about the best all around store in the area.

Bill Uffelman in Herndon/Reston by Dulles Airport

I am going to Washington D.C. over the 4th of July. Anything I should
see regarding Model Railroading? Dale.

re: another new member

Byron: One 12-foot sie is against the wall, and I
have acess from the other three sides. I would very
much apprieciate any ideas you might have. Thanks.
Garfield.
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Garfield,

What sort of access do you have to the 3'X12' space?
Is it only along
one 12 foot edge (i.e.e, the layout goes against a
wall corner-to-
corner) or would you have access to one or more of
the 3' edges if the
layout itself were 3'X12'?

I have a couple of idea ... just need to have some
view of the space.

Thanks,

Byron

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Currently trying to put together an
HO-HOn3 layout for a 3-0 by 12-0 space that will

give me some

continuous running and western scenery.

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Garfield,

What sort of access do you have to the 3'X12' space? Is it only along
one 12 foot edge (i.e.e, the layout goes against a wall corner-to-
corner) or would you have access to one or more of the 3' edges if the
layout itself were 3'X12'?

I have a couple of idea ... just need to have some view of the space.

Thanks,

Byron

Hi, Garfield

Welcome to the group. I also fit your category of being in and out of it for
about 25 years. Since I've retired this past January, I've started taking a
more active interest in the hobby. I haven't a layout, yet, as I'm taking my
time to think about what I really want to get out of it. I know myself well
enough to know that building is, to me, more fun than actually running the
trains, so I'll certainly have a continuous loop somewhere in the plan. I'll
probably put enough staging, etc. into it to give operation a try. An
interurban line used to pass directly in front of our house (of course, the
house wasn't there at the time) so I've gotten interested in modeling that
line with a twist - it survived into the fifties and gave trackage rights to
some of the railroads. That way, I can also have steam and early diesels.

-- Carol & Jerry Jankura
Strongsville, Ohio
So many toys, so little time

Hi group: I'm another new member who's been in and out of model
railroading for 25 years or so. Currently trying to put together an
HO-HOn3 layout for a 3-0 by 12-0 space that will give me some
continuous running and western scenery. Having all kinds of trouble
and maybe I'm trying to get more than I can handle(old old problem,
isn't it). Anyway I'll probably lurk for a while and try and pick up
some ideas and see what's gone previously before jumping in. But
looking forward to being part of the group. Thanks. Garfield.

Since Evan was interested I've put the trackplan back on. If anyone
wants further info on it please email me. Similar plans will appear
in the near future on a site that may be of interest to members.
This is at www.ModelTrainsInternational.co.uk

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Hello, my name is Terry Kift and I am on the verge of building my
first layout. It will be in N-Scale and though I am a member of a
model railroad group who wants to fill my 10'X15' room up with
layout, I need to start small. I have been armchair modeling for a
few years now and have been a member of a previous n-scale club.

I hope to build a good size switching layout to incoporate into the
larger layout later. I'll have some ideas to throw out soon.


Thanks.

Evan, see my address in "members" and email me
Shortliner (jack)


-- In small-layout-design@y..., "Evan Batchelor"
<evan_batchelor@h...> wrote:

Hiya,

I was looking through the files section the other day and came

across the

plan for Box Street. By the time I had thought about contacting the
designer, the file had been deleted. Does anybody want to own up

to this

wondrous wee design?? Its got me quite intrigued, and I have a few
questions for the designer...

Ev. :-)
Nelson,
New Zealand

--- In small-layout-design@y..., "Evan Batchelor"
<evan_batchelor@h...> wrote:

Hiya,

I was looking through the files section the other day and came

across the

plan for Box Street. By the time I had thought about contacting the
designer, the file had been deleted. Does anybody want to own up

to this

wondrous wee design?? Its got me quite intrigued, and I have a few
questions for the designer...

Ev. :-)
Nelson,
New Zealand

Look up Jack Trollope, I believe it's his. I've seen photo's o this
layout, it really exhists.

Donovan

Hiya,

I was looking through the files section the other day and came across the
plan for Box Street. By the time I had thought about contacting the
designer, the file had been deleted. Does anybody want to own up to this
wondrous wee design?? Its got me quite intrigued, and I have a few
questions for the designer...

Ev. :-)
Nelson,
New Zealand

Bill, There is no switchback through the backdrop on my layout plan.
Are you thinking of "Guelph RR" by Michael Denny, that was also
recently uploaded to the file area? My layout is labelled "Branch1".
Did I mention that John Wright's Federal Street layout is amazing?
The turntable has some ideas I might be able to use.
Maurice Grimes
Kingston, PA, USA

Maurice on the right end you have a switch back through the backdrop to
staging. I was thinking that cars would arrive on scene from the left end
then have to be properly organized -- red box car to spot #1, yellow box
top #2 etc. given the switch back they would be ahead of the loco departing
the runaround. Of course you would have to pull the cars that are already
there-maybe #2 has to be worked into the cut because it has to stay another
shift.

Bill Uffelman