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If you're looking for fold-up portable layouts, Model Trains
International (printed in the UK) has recently run some articles on
this concept. Unfortunately, I don't have my MTI back issues in front
of me, but one was called "Foldingham."

Doug Howard
Brookings, Oregon, USA

Modelling in HOn42, and On30

Hey Y'all,

I just uploaded the latest version of my Texas track plan, it's
in "Donovan's folder" under the new heading. It's a 12x1 foot layout
designed for HO scale industrial switching like one could find in the
Arlington (Dallas), Texas area. Take a look, it's not a bad little
plan.

Donovan in Dallas

Continental Modeller has done a couple of articles on building
structures for far eastern type railways using Airfix(now
Dapol) "Bridge on the River Kwai" kits. They also did an article on
a sugar plantation type railway. Sorry I can't give you any more
info than that - try an email to them they are usually very helpful
with back numbers.

Hello Alan,
Imagine my surprise at seeing someone, ANYONE, interested in modelling
a sugar plantation railway! I've been looking through the internet for years
for
websites/layouts devoted to this industry. I recently came across this site:
www.ZelmerOz.com/canesig which has the only photo I've seen of a sugar cane
layout. Your idea of the TTz sounds like it has possibilities. I've made too
many
palm trees in HO/OO to switch right now, but I would be interested in taking
part
in any discussion group on the topic.
Fortunately out here in British Columbia, where practically every exhibition
layout
features CP Rail through the Rockies, 009 is still an exotic scale!
I would be very interested in hearing any ideas on what makes for a good
(small) plantation layout.
My friend and I are hoping to have something far enough along for our big
show in November.
So far, all I've got are some palm trees, a corrugated iron warehouse, lots
of photos and a space in
my closet 22" wide x 44"long x 15" high. Small indeed!
I would sure appreciate some "small minded" thoughts from you folks at this
stage.
Given the above space, and my wish to exhibit this layout (so it must be
portable), do I:
1) Keep the layout very small at 22"x44"
2) Create a layout that folds over on itself using some strong hinges to
create a larger layout 22"x88"
3) The same as above except changing hinge sides so the layout is 44"x44"
I think each size has it's pros and cons.
What does the list think? How would your opinions differ if I did it in
standard 00 gauge (like the idea in canesig)
vs 009?
Regards,
Jeff Hatcher

'TT42'(as in Newfoundland Rlwy.,Great Dismal Swamp R.R.,et al)
using 'N' gauge track has equipt.,modellers and so forth already
established. Check 'TT' sites for details.
Good-Luck,Peter

The 4mm scale model railway is not normally thought of when Small
spaces are concerned, but I am thinking of new scales for small
spaces. 00-z could use Z scale track, and could model 18inch
prototypes quite easily. better still would be TT-z (3mm/foot on Z
scale track. This would be ideal for 2foot prototypes in almost half
the space of 009. I'm planning to develop this scale for my model of
a Javanese Sugar plantation, which needs 0-10-0 and 0-8-0 locos, and
quite conveniently, Marklin make Z scale models of Large german Locos
making chassis readily available.

Perhaps if interest grows in TT-z and TT9 (3mmscale, 3foot prototypes)
I could start a group.

If your in Porthmadog this weekend, I've got my 005 models on display
(0-4-4-0 Mallet)

Hi peaple,

Now on the narrow gauge model railway webring
Lost Creek railroad

Regards John Vogelaar

If you want small space plans - see what is available on
www.ModelTrainsInternational.co.uk - where small is beautiful

d44494449@...

and is quite
long,

Meant to add that it is narrow, so it fits over two tracks in minimal space.
Anyone else made efficient use of layout elements? Dan

My N scale 2'x10' layout has concentric loops and a yard in the
middle. I have a Heljan two stall engine house which opens at both
ends. Since the bldg. is in the middle of the layout and is quite
long, I can use one side as the railroad's engine house at the inside
edge of my yard. The other side of the house is accessible from a
switch on the back side of the inside loop, and passes for heavy
industry. It is designated on my timetable as a car repair facility
in a different town. This gives me an additional industry without
using the space (or capital) for another building.
Dan

-Garfield,
One of my favorite small layout plans is from the
Sept. 1951 issue of MR. It is also on p. 10, plan #10
of 101 Track Plans for Model Railroaders published by
Kalmbach. Lots of potential for extension, and your
steamers should do fine on the 15" radius curves.
Even a P2K Consolidation will handle it! Contact me
off-list if you want a copy of the origional article.
Mike in Denver

-- Garfield <olecowboy2001@...> wrote:

Hi. I'm a recent member of the group and it seems
to me that one of
the real problems many of us face is finding and/or
developing plans
for small spaces. I've been in and out of the hobby
for 25 years--
out mostly due to work-related travel. Now I'm
retired and have a 3-
0 by 12-0 space (with one of the long sides against
a wall and access
from the other three sides) and I can't seem to find
anything that
would satisfy my HO givens and druthers. I enjoy
building structures
and probably have more than I'll ever use but that
doesn't solve the
problem of getting my steam on the track. I'm not
big into
operations and would prefer continuous running but
that doesn't seem
to be possible either. My engines are 2-6--0 and
2-8-0 in HOn3 and 2-
6-0, 2-8-0(spectrum) and 4-4-0 in HO. Can somebody
tell me if they
will handle curves of 15-16" so I can get some
continuous running.
As for plans, I've bought just about every book
that's available and
I've joined 10 of these groups. There's lots of
good ideas and maybe
I'm being too fussy But "small" seems to stop at
4x8 and I wonder if
there aren't a lot of us that fall below those
parameters. Hope I'm
not wasting time and space but I wanted to get my
two and a half
cents worth off my chest. Thanks for listening.
The ole cowboy.

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Now I'm retired and have a 3-
0 by 12-0 space (with one of the long sides against a wall and access
from the other three sides) and I can't seem to find anything that
would satisfy my HO givens and druthers. <snip> I'm not big into
operations and would prefer continuous running but that doesn't seem
to be possible either. My engines are 2-6--0 and 2-8-0 in HOn3 and 2-
6-0, 2-8-0(spectrum) and 4-4-0 in HO. Can somebody tell me if they
will handle curves of 15-16" <snip>

Any chance of widening slightly (1 foot would be plenty) the two outermost
ends of your layout, you could even narrow the centre section to compensate
if neccesary, this would let you end up with a dogbone-ish continuous run,
put a couple of switches in the track along the wall & you have a little
staging too, just some thoughts.

The best way I've found to test if particular loco's will go round a curve
reliably is to mock up that curve on a bit of board & try them, they either
will or won't, and it's best to find out before you've finished your plan!
:-)

Best regards
Martyn Read
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"The Kalmbach publication of small track plans by Ian

Rice features a small layout or two that allow you to
keep the track in place, but to lift out the small,
fully scenicked areas to provide variety.."

>edit out text<

Voila! Almost a new layout (sort of).
Just a thought.
Jeff

Good thoughts, I've been thinking about it all
afternoon, I'll discuss it with 'management' later,
but I think it might work.

D in D


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--- In small-layout-design@y..., donovansart16@y... wrote:

Is 20 square feet a space one by 20, 2 by 10, or 4 by 5
Darryl Huffman
Anchorage, Alaska

Darryl (and list),

20' square is just an estimation. I'm an apartment dweller and
usually find small 'shelf' layouts to be all I can find room for.

In

the apartment I'm in now, for example, I have had layouts of 6'x6';
6'x10';and 8'x12' in the last two years. None have been any wider
than 16" and all were simply "L" shaped (no continuous running).

The reasons for the changes are not because I was un happy with
either the layouts construction or design, but because of the small
living quaters I have. I find the layout gets "too heavy" in any
given corner of the apartment and, like the furniture, I want to re-
arrange my house to have a fresh perspective. (My wife has allot to
do with this.)

5 years ago I switched from N to HO because I beleive that I can
enjoy the detail in the small space better with HO than in N. When
the sapce is too small for much of a railroad - even in N - you need
to fill it with more detailing and less stuff. This is just an
opinion, but it fits with what I like.

Anyway, I guess you could say that I'm just searching for new
idea's. Then, if I find one I like, I can see where in my small
place I can put it.

Thanks for your time,
Donovan in Dallas

Hi Donovan,
I think Darryl was onto something there when he said:

"If you and your wife like to have variety in your living room, why
not build a series of small dioramas that can be incorporated into a
layout later? The Kalmbach publication of small track plans by Ian
Rice features a small layout or two that allow you to keep the track
in place, but to lift out the small, fully scenicked areas to provide
variety.."

My only addition to that would be to use "links" to attach these
scenicked dioramas together like that "linked up logger" layout in Ian
Rice's book. I know that Barry Cott has done that on the LDSIG with
wonderful results.
The bonus to this sort of arrangement is flexibility. So, if you're
happy with your layout, but have been advised by management that the
room needs to be "refreshed", you don't have to scrap your hard work.
Keep the tears off the carpet. Move the beloved sections over to the
designated site and link it together, perhaps in a different way.
Voila! Almost a new layout (sort of).
Just a thought.
Jeff

[ ... ] My engines are 2-6--0 and 2-8-0 in HOn3 and 2-6-0,

2-8-0(spectrum) and 4-4-0 in HO. Can somebody tell me if they

will handle curves of 15-16" so I can get some continuous running.

Those are rather tight, altho Jack Work published an article in MR
where he specified 10" radius for H0N4. The photos seemed to show
it to workable, at least with his equipment.

Which brings me to the main point - probably the best idea is to get
some flex track and see what works with _your_ equipment. By doing
just that, I found out that _my_ MDC boxcab could make it around a
12" radius, altho it complained loudly about being forved to do it.

In my younger years, I saw many published track plans used 14" radius
curves. If your motive power will make it and you stick with short
cars it seems like it should be do-able. Some compromise may be in
order, but that's all up to _you_ for _your_ railroad.

As for plans, I've bought just about every book that's available and
I've joined 10 of these groups. There's lots of good ideas and maybe
I'm being too fussy But "small" seems to stop at 4x8 and I wonder if
there aren't a lot of us that fall below those parameters. Hope I'm
not wasting time and space but I wanted to get my two and a half
cents worth off my chest. Thanks for listening. The ole cowboy.

I _think_ that's why we're here!





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Hi. I'm a recent member of the group and it seems to me that one of
the real problems many of us face is finding and/or developing plans
for small spaces. I've been in and out of the hobby for 25 years--
out mostly due to work-related travel. Now I'm retired and have a 3-
0 by 12-0 space (with one of the long sides against a wall and access
from the other three sides) and I can't seem to find anything that
would satisfy my HO givens and druthers. I enjoy building structures
and probably have more than I'll ever use but that doesn't solve the
problem of getting my steam on the track. I'm not big into
operations and would prefer continuous running but that doesn't seem
to be possible either. My engines are 2-6--0 and 2-8-0 in HOn3 and 2-
6-0, 2-8-0(spectrum) and 4-4-0 in HO. Can somebody tell me if they
will handle curves of 15-16" so I can get some continuous running.
As for plans, I've bought just about every book that's available and
I've joined 10 of these groups. There's lots of good ideas and maybe
I'm being too fussy But "small" seems to stop at 4x8 and I wonder if
there aren't a lot of us that fall below those parameters. Hope I'm
not wasting time and space but I wanted to get my two and a half
cents worth off my chest. Thanks for listening. The ole cowboy.

There is a very nice N gauge plan at www.geocities.com/gdagley/ for
the Adrisport and Codyville which fits on a hollow-core door. It is
also worth following some of the links on the first page.

Jack

I find the HOn30 group and the On30 groups

are worthwhile because
they explore new ideas a lot. You might join their
lists.

Darryl Huffman

What are their exact names? I'll join ASAP, can't
hurt.

BTW I grew up in Seattle, so I have a good taste for
what it's like up there right now, beautiful, huh?

Donovan Furin
Ft. Worth, Texas

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Donovan,

If you and your wife like to have variety in your living room, why not build
a series of small dioramas that can be incorporated into a layout later?
The Kalmbach publication of small track plans by Ian Rice features a small
layout or two that allow you to keep the track in place, but to lift out the
small, fully scenicked areas to provide variety.

Your desire for more track plans and layout ideas for small areas is a
common request. Model Railroader and the other magazines really try hard to
find new ideas for small layouts.

I began gathering small track plans over 30 years ago and still look for new
ones all the time. I wish I could really point you to a great source of new
ideas. I find the HOn30 group and the On30 groups are worthwhile because
they explore new ideas a lot. You might join their lists.

Darryl Huffman
Anchorage, Alaska

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