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Re: Dayton etc.

Big Daddy
 

This site is like a BIG family....Obviously "YOU" are not part of it,if ya
gotta ask dumb questions.
Richard is one of our experts here. Soooo be nice.

73...Paul

what dose this have to do with Repeater-builder????
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard D. Reese <richardr@...>
To: <RLC@...>; <Repeater-builder@...>;
<repeater@...>; <Repeaters@...>; <ACC@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 6:18 AM
Subject: [Repeater-builder] Dayton etc.


From: "Richard D. Reese" <richardr@...>

Well I am finally home after two and one half
weeks. Went to Dayton then Vegas, California,
Oregon, then Washington. (Thanks to the 146.88 Green
Mtn machine)

I have 26 rolls of film to process. Will post some
of the pictures to the site soon. (Fred, I received
the pictures you took at Dayton. Thanks)

Have lots of mail to go through. Those of you that
sent messages requesting information etc. please be
patient, I will get back with you soon. If it is
urgent, please resend it and mark it priority. I
have several hundred messages to sort through.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Dayton etc.

critic
 

what dose this have to do with Repeater-builder????

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard D. Reese <richardr@...>
To: <RLC@...>; <Repeater-builder@...>;
<repeater@...>; <Repeaters@...>; <ACC@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 6:18 AM
Subject: [Repeater-builder] Dayton etc.


From: "Richard D. Reese" <richardr@...>

Well I am finally home after two and one half
weeks. Went to Dayton then Vegas, California,
Oregon, then Washington. (Thanks to the 146.88 Green
Mtn machine)

I have 26 rolls of film to process. Will post some
of the pictures to the site soon. (Fred, I received
the pictures you took at Dayton. Thanks)

Have lots of mail to go through. Those of you that
sent messages requesting information etc. please be
patient, I will get back with you soon. If it is
urgent, please resend it and mark it priority. I
have several hundred messages to sort through.

Thanks in advance.

--
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NEW TO REPEATER BUILDING

 

My name is Jonathan (KE4UTT) and along with Mike (KE4WIN), we are going to be
building a UHF Ham Repeater.

We have a wonderful site that will put us up about 700 feet on a broadcast
tower.

My Question(s) are as follows:
1. What type of radios does anyone suggest using (i'd like to use a
high power radio, ie something with 100watts out, if possible)?
2. What type of controller will allow me to have decode of PL tone
as well as an autopatch and multiple users..etc..?
3. How do I go about hooking them all together and getting them to
work. (I've never really done a project like this before)
4. What does "COR" mean? I've seen it in different articles and am
unsure what it stands for/what it does...
5. Would I be better off building an antenna? or buy one. I'd like
to get something with the MOST Gain possible (seeing as I will loose
quite a bit with the long run of Coax. (can't aford Hardline).

Thanks for everyone's time in advance..and from "watching" the list for a
while you all are very intresting and very helpfull. I look forward to
learning everything I can from everyone.

Jonathan
KE4UTT


Dayton etc.

Richard D. Reese
 

Well I am finally home after two and one half
weeks. Went to Dayton then Vegas, California,
Oregon, then Washington. (Thanks to the 146.88 Green
Mtn machine)

I have 26 rolls of film to process. Will post some
of the pictures to the site soon. (Fred, I received
the pictures you took at Dayton. Thanks)

Have lots of mail to go through. Those of you that
sent messages requesting information etc. please be
patient, I will get back with you soon. If it is
urgent, please resend it and mark it priority. I
have several hundred messages to sort through.

Thanks in advance.

--
Richard D. Reese WA8DBW


Re: NEED RECOMMENDATION ON UHF n VHF RECEIVE PRE-AMPS

 

At 10:27 AM 6/2/99 , you wrote:
I did fuse. When you said I was running too much current through it, it
starts to remind me of what their techs said. Let's see.... you attach
-12v to the ground pin, +12v to the voltage in feed through. I used a
separate 2.5 Amp regulated power supply. Ah, tell me if I'm wrong, but
isn't the current flow dictated more by what's IN the box than what's
outside it? If a 100W light bulb pulls 25 amps, do I blame to power
company for giving me too much current?
It still sounds like a current loop of some type. And, a good technician
doubts everything, even himself, until he finds the problem..... ;-)

73, Joe, K1ike


Re: Digital Audio Delays

DrWho?
 

At 09:21 PM 1/06/1999 -0500, you wrote:
From: Randy Nelson <rnelson@...>

Anyone using digital audio delays in their repeater to eliminate squelch
tails? I would like to know what you are using and your opinion of it.

73's, Randy, WB0VHB
If the code for your controler is any good you should'nt need one.

If you are using a relay for PTT switching why not replace it with a solid
state option?

Live long and prosper.
Brett.


Re: Link Controller @ Vertex Repeater

"" ""
 

Hello all,


Jeff here, Just bought a UHF VERTEX 5000 from yaesu. I have the RC1000V
controller to interface with. Have any one done this kind of setup before.
Any heads up of how to interface the controller to the VERTEX unit will me
much appreciated.

73,


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Re: NEED RECOMMENDATION ON UHF n VHF RECEIVE PRE-AMPS

Thomas, Kevin
 

I agree, Advanced Receiver Research makes a great preamp. Small compact
and they will put what ever kind
of conector you need on it. I don't have the book with me,But on a GE
master two UHF mobile converted to a repeater
the middle version that they have is the best one.It helped alot.
KB5ZVK

-----Original Message-----
From: wa4qkc [SMTP:wa4qkc@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 1:36 PM
To: Repeater-builder@...
Subject: Re: [Repeater-builder] NEED RECOMMENDATION ON UHF n VHF
RECEIVE PRE-AMPS

From: "wa4qkc" <wa4qkc@...>


Advanced Receiver Research makes the absolute best receiver pre-amps
known
to man. The best $80 you'll ever spend on a repeater.
and easy to repair...I have repaired several after a bout with
lightning...yeah the rptr and ps got it too. I have seen one incident
where
rf blowed the gas ass fet(ha)..not enough isolation between tx and
rx.....thats the only non lightning failure I have had experience with.
Ed


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Re: NEED RECOMMENDATION ON UHF n VHF RECEIVE PRE-AMPS

wa4qkc
 

Advanced Receiver Research makes the absolute best receiver pre-amps known
to man. The best $80 you'll ever spend on a repeater.
and easy to repair...I have repaired several after a bout with
lightning...yeah the rptr and ps got it too. I have seen one incident where
rf blowed the gas ass fet(ha)..not enough isolation between tx and
rx.....thats the only non lightning failure I have had experience with.
Ed


Re: Digital Audio Delays

wa4qkc
 


I have take another approach I inserted a reed relay in the CTCSS line
where
it is inserted at the exciter and activate the relay with COS therefore
CTCSS is only transmitted when there is COS. This is only a problem with
marginal signals. You never hear IDs or even the courtesy tone, no squelch
tail only users talking. I am now designing a small delay to keep the CTCSS
up for about .1 second to help marginal signals. I like it. I also put a
second relay across the first to defeat the first and transmit CTCSS all
the
time as a back up.
I have something similar here except a little more versatile...If the main
port is in Monitor to port 2 or 3, OR if they are connected (transceive) the
tone is continouslly transmitted....drop the main rptr courtesy tone too
since the other system courtesy tone is what you need to hear. IF the
autopatch is accessed, the tone is on..no courtesy tone..the inital id is
encoded so the time / temp / wind speed at the rptr shack is heard..the
signal quality test and all voice mail (both private and public) are encoded
so they will be heard. I found that about .6 to .8 seconds is the best hang
time for the encoder output and at that same exact time the courtesy tone is
sent (has to be short !) the dtmf decoder mute timers are set at .8 seconds
(enough for anyone unless you got riggamortis). And the digital audio delay
is at 100 milliseconds.I also modified the "hang time" on the ts32 enc/dec
bd so that the controller will see a shorter "on pl" time, it worked out to
be about 300 milliseconds...so I tried to make sure there was a minimum of
"falsing" on the cor/dec. The controller is RLC 2 a by Link Comm.
Ed


Re: NEED RECOMMENDATION ON UHF n VHF RECEIVE PRE-AMPS

Ray Vaughan
 

At 06:13 AM 6/2/99 -0400, you wrote:
From: joecheck@...

At 11:03 PM 6/1/99 , you wrote:
Advanced Receiver Research (ARR) preamps the best you can get for
I know every other ham in the world loves them, but I don't. I purchased
one for a commercial repeater about 8 years ago... it failed. Sent it
back... still didn't work. This time, an inductor litterally fried.
I've used several of their pre amps, some ham and some commercial
applications. I've had the usual lightning problems that happen, no other
failures. If your frying the inductor, you have to be putting some serious
current thru the thing. I've never had this problem, nor can imagine what
can cause that situation. Maybe a current loop thru your equipment? Are
you using a piece of commercial equipment that has an isolated ground, and
your pulling the current for the radio thru the preamp? I like to fuse
everything with an appropriate size fuse.
I did fuse. When you said I was running too much current through it, it
starts to remind me of what their techs said. Let's see.... you attach
-12v to the ground pin, +12v to the voltage in feed through. I used a
separate 2.5 Amp regulated power supply. Ah, tell me if I'm wrong, but
isn't the current flow dictated more by what's IN the box than what's
outside it? If a 100W light bulb pulls 25 amps, do I blame to power
company for giving me too much current?

By the way, this was a RX only voting receiver site. No other transmitters
at this site, so I was pretty sure I wasn't blowing it with RF.

Their tech support really had a feeling of a small operation.
Yup, you are correct. I have stopped at their operation here in
Connecticut several times, and it is small. But, I still think you get a
quality product for a good price. Some of the help seems to be part time.
I may have just caught them on a bad couple of months. Sometimes you can
get better quality from a small shop, but if a couple people leave or get
sick, all work ends.

This time when I sent it back, they said they never got it. They won. I
lost. I won't play with them again.
They have done about 8 preamps for me, some were repairs and others were
frequency change modifications (75Mhz units to 52Mhz units). All came back
OK and the repair price was very reasonable.
If I see one on the used market, I may just give it a try. If I can get a
few good experiences, I might change my mind. I know everyone else loves
them.

They have an interesting assembly process. An 8.5x11" binder contains
drawings and parts lists for each model of the preamps they sell. The
assemblers turn to the page and stuff the parts on the board and solder it
up. The tech then tests and aligns the preamps.
Kinda low tech... but I bet it will pass a Y2K test :)




Ray J. Vaughan, MS, CBTE
KD4BBM
ray@...


Re: NEED RECOMMENDATION ON UHF n VHF RECEIVE PRE-AMPS

Corey H. Dean N3GZW
 

I have to agree with this. I have one my my 2 meter machine. No other RF
equipment there other than mine. I swear I can hear a mouse fart from
miles away... Make sure thought when getting a Gasfet preamp you are
using BPBR cans

From the Desk of Corey Dean

Home of the 146.625 repeater in Wellsboro, PA (PL 131.8)



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On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Justin Reed wrote:

From: Justin Reed <jreed@...>

Advanced Receiver Research makes the absolute best receiver pre-amps known
to man. The best $80 you'll ever spend on a repeater.


At 22:05 6/1/99 EDT, you wrote:
From: HQ54@...



Hi All,

I am looking for recommendations for a UHF and VHF Receive Pre-Amp. If
you have any good, or bad, experiences, please share them with me. Also, if
you have any phone numbers or Web addresses, they would be greatly
appreciated as well.

Thanx
Mike

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Re: NEED RECOMMENDATION ON UHF n VHF RECEIVE PRE-AMPS

Brett Valentine
 

ARR preamps are the best I have used. Be careful that you have a good
pass cavity in front of the thing.

Brett n3ffp


Re: NEED RECOMMENDATION ON UHF n VHF RECEIVE PRE-AMPS

Justin Reed
 

Advanced Receiver Research makes the absolute best receiver pre-amps known
to man. The best $80 you'll ever spend on a repeater.


At 22:05 6/1/99 EDT, you wrote:
From: HQ54@...



Hi All,

I am looking for recommendations for a UHF and VHF Receive Pre-Amp. If
you have any good, or bad, experiences, please share them with me. Also, if
you have any phone numbers or Web addresses, they would be greatly
appreciated as well.

Thanx
Mike

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Re: Digital Audio Delays

Paul Plants
 

I have take another approach I inserted a reed relay in the CTCSS line where
it is inserted at the exciter and activate the relay with COS therefore
CTCSS is only transmitted when there is COS. This is only a problem with
marginal signals. You never hear IDs or even the courtesy tone, no squelch
tail only users talking. I am now designing a small delay to keep the CTCSS
up for about .1 second to help marginal signals. I like it. I also put a
second relay across the first to defeat the first and transmit CTCSS all the
time as a back up.
__
Paul L. Plants Callsign
680 1/2 Broad Street N3WMV
Washington, PA 15301 442.125+ tone 131.8
USA 145.490-
DO NOT SEND ANY FORM OF ADVERTISING TO ANY OF THESE ADDRESSES

----- Original Message -----
From: mch <mch@...>
To: <Repeater-builder@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-builder] Digital Audio Delays


From: mch <mch@...>

Randy Nelson wrote:
I have a problem with kerchunkers (averaging dozens per hour - 24 hours
a day). Now, I rarely notice the activity. The repeaters are a zillion
times more pleasant to listen to. The muted squelch tails combined with
the 'CTCSS tail' means I only hear 'real' conversations. I have my CTCSS
set to drop about one second after the COS, so the only part I hear of
the ID is one second of the initial ID (I.E. "Welcome to the"). Adding a
few initial speech 'pauses' would even remove that!

I have the 'CTCSS tail' to make it easy for mobile repeater users to
confirm that they are hitting the repeater - hearing a one second
response tail instead of the full tail and pending IDs. They can also
reply faster during conversations. It words great!
I hope I've given you and perhaps others some useful tips.

73,
Joe, KR3P

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Re: NEED RECOMMENDATION ON UHF n VHF RECEIVE PRE-AMPS

 

At 11:03 PM 6/1/99 , you wrote:
Advanced Receiver Research (ARR) preamps the best you can get for
I know every other ham in the world loves them, but I don't. I purchased
one for a commercial repeater about 8 years ago... it failed. Sent it
back... still didn't work. This time, an inductor litterally fried.
I've used several of their pre amps, some ham and some commercial
applications. I've had the usual lightning problems that happen, no other
failures. If your frying the inductor, you have to be putting some serious
current thru the thing. I've never had this problem, nor can imagine what
can cause that situation. Maybe a current loop thru your equipment? Are
you using a piece of commercial equipment that has an isolated ground, and
your pulling the current for the radio thru the preamp? I like to fuse
everything with an appropriate size fuse.

Their tech support really had a feeling of a small operation.
Yup, you are correct. I have stopped at their operation here in
Connecticut several times, and it is small. But, I still think you get a
quality product for a good price. Some of the help seems to be part time.

This time when I sent it back, they said they never got it. They won. I
lost. I won't play with them again.
They have done about 8 preamps for me, some were repairs and others were
frequency change modifications (75Mhz units to 52Mhz units). All came back
OK and the repair price was very reasonable.

They have an interesting assembly process. An 8.5x11" binder contains
drawings and parts lists for each model of the preamps they sell. The
assemblers turn to the page and stuff the parts on the board and solder it
up. The tech then tests and aligns the preamps.

73, Joe, K1ike


Re: NEED RECOMMENDATION ON UHF n VHF RECEIVE PRE-AMPS

Randy Leval
 

I would say Angle Linear Preamps is the beat. Been running them for years on
both VHF and UHF. Chip Angle's preamps are very respected in the business.
Randy AH6GR

HQ54@... wrote:

From: HQ54@...

Hi All,

I am looking for recommendations for a UHF and VHF Receive Pre-Amp. If
you have any good, or bad, experiences, please share them with me. Also, if
you have any phone numbers or Web addresses, they would be greatly
appreciated as well.

Thanx
Mike

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Re: Digital Audio Delays

wa4qkc
 

I use the Link Comm ADM...along with Link Comm controllers.( of course!) I
have no complaints about them. In my opinion that is the icing on the cake
for a pleasant sounding repeater and time your tx encder so the rx will go
quiet before the tx drops out.

Ed WA4QKC


Re: Digital Audio Delays

 

Randy Nelson wrote:

Anyone using digital audio delays in their repeater to eliminate
squelch tails? I would like to know what you are using and your
opinion of it.
I'm using S*COM boards on several controller brands (ACC, CAT,
Hamtronics, and soon CSI) and have had great success with them. The
Micor squelch is great, but still leaves the squelch click, does not get
rid of touch-tone blips, and costs more than the delay board. One
application note - if you want to remove the touch-tones completely,
insert the delay after the breakout point that goes to the touch-tone
decoder, or run a line to the decoder and cut the original audio path.
Try to leave in as much of the filtering as possible before the decoder.
By the way, the S*COM audio delay is virtually a direct plug-in to the
CAT 300DX. The pinouts are the same.

I have a problem with kerchunkers (averaging dozens per hour - 24 hours
a day). Now, I rarely notice the activity. The repeaters are a zillion
times more pleasant to listen to. The muted squelch tails combined with
the 'CTCSS tail' means I only hear 'real' conversations. I have my CTCSS
set to drop about one second after the COS, so the only part I hear of
the ID is one second of the initial ID (I.E. "Welcome to the"). Adding a
few initial speech 'pauses' would even remove that!

I have the 'CTCSS tail' to make it easy for mobile repeater users to
confirm that they are hitting the repeater - hearing a one second
response tail instead of the full tail and pending IDs. They can also
reply faster during conversations. It words great!
I hope I've given you and perhaps others some useful tips.

73,
Joe, KR3P