Re: RC-210 and SLR-8000 PL Inhibit
I'm going to jump in between. Have you ever heard of "Part 97"? You may want to read through it, especially the parts related to repeater operations. I don't have a problem and I have known of the FCC having a problem with an hourly ID. There are a lot of them and I don't think there are enough jail cells to lock up all the repeater owners who have an ID that runs once an hour. Last I knew, I think Riley went on vacation or something. IDing every 10 minutes NO. It's one thing when the repeater is actually in use but NOT when it is idle. You are asking for trouble.
In the mean while, what do you find using a voltmeter to see what is actually going on??? This is about like saying "my repeater isn't working can you fix it for me". Do some troubleshooting and come on here with some useful information we can work with.
Mick - W7CAT
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Sullivan via groups.io" To: [email protected]Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2025 08:55:33 PM Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] RC-210 and SLR-8000 PL Inhibit On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 10:47 PM, Chris Boone WB5ITT wrote:
Uhhh beacon IDing, etc is illegal under part97..several repeaters have
gotten emails from Riley about it.
As to the SLR, why did you do that? The SLR drops tone with the tx
so what you did was something that was totally useless and unneeded. I don't
understand why you did all that with the gpio.
Chris WB5ITT
On Thu, May 22, 2025, 9:42?PM Mike Sullivan via groups.io (
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Our club's VXR7000 died, so we upgraded to a loaned SLR-8000 (good
to have friends in low places) to get us back on the air. Luckily
everything came on as programmed and I couldn't have done it better myself if I had
planned it.. lol
I do have one issue though. The controller is programmed to not
send PL during ID, so that someone can turn on PL decode and leave their
radio up without hearing the ID and grandfather clock on the hour. We used
a TS64 before to decode/encode PL, but we took it out of the chain and
are going direct to the SLR. Everything is working fine except for that one
feature. I wired up GPIO9 (pin 6) to Pin 1 (CTCSS Control) and enabled TX PL
Inhibit on GPIO9, but it seems like with it assigned, it permanently
inhibits PL, even if I flip from High to Low functionality on the
repeater. Is there something I'm missing or is my way of thinking not
possible?
Also, those that have used the SLR, what should you have the Audio
Type set as? Wanted to make sure I have it correct.
Mike
Illegal? First I've heard that one.. we have done it for several
years and never had an issue. Not to mention every repeater around us voice ID's every 10 minutes as well, and the FCC requires ID when in use, so why not just have it ID anyways? So please enlighten me, and go ahead and rat us out if you want. Not like the FCC gives a damn about ham anyways.. as evident by the nighty garble I hear on 7.200.
As for the why? Like I said above, to retain the functionality we did
before. I configured it so that tone would only pass on voice announcements and radio traffic, not ID's. As I said above.. that way someone can turn PL Decode on and not hear the ID (which we mainly use as a heartbeat to say "hey, the repeater is on") and keep their radio open to hear a calling station. Since we are no longer using the TS64 I figured that some way to control transmit PL would be needed since we are going straight from controller to the repeater. I'm not familiar with how the SLR8K works in that regard, so being less of a dick would be absolutely fantastic.
No wonder this hobby has turned into a grouch fest.
Mike
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Re: Using HF rig or 6M repeaters
Depending on the brand/model of HF rig, some have the audio processing active on FM mode and some do not. Also, a few of the models are 2.5 KHz deviation, not 5 KHz. My Icom IC-7000 has three filter settings active in FM that result in 5 KHz, 4 KHz and 2.5 KHz deviation, plus adjustment to respective CTCSS levels.?
tnx Mike / K5JR? Alpharetta GA
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On May 22, 2025, at 10:15?PM, KB9LFZ via groups.io <silver@...> wrote: ? Turn off the processor.
Some older radios have one mic gain as a knob adjustment. The level for SSB is different than FM.
A cheap SDR watching the audio spectrum and zoom in on RF spectrum can assist getting FM deviation to 3KHz at 1KHz tone
Benjamin, KB9LFZ?
I have some potential users of my 6M FM
repeater that want to use their HF rigs for that purpose.
Unfortunately most that have tried have terrible audio - over
driven and distorted. What do they need to pay attention to with
their rigs? FWIW, I do not have an HF radio because I have zero
interest, so I'm no help to them.
Chuck
WB2EDV
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Re: RC-210 and SLR-8000 PL Inhibit
Every single one of our repeaters ID either by voice, or by CW every 10 minutes except from midnight until 0600. ?On our repeaters that utilize CTCSS, I do turn it off during the ID because the requirement is that we send it, not that everyone has to hear it.?
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On May 22, 2025, at 9:55?PM, Mike Sullivan via groups.io <Kn4imu@...> wrote:
? On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 10:47 PM, Chris Boone WB5ITT wrote:
Uhhh beacon IDing, etc is illegal under part97..several repeaters have gotten emails from Riley about it.
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As to the SLR, why did you do that? The SLR drops tone with the tx so what you did was something that was totally useless and unneeded. I don't understand why you did all that with the gpio.
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Chris WB5ITT?
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Our club's VXR7000 died, so we upgraded to a loaned SLR-8000 (good to have friends in low places) to get us back on the air. Luckily everything came on as programmed and I couldn't have done it better myself if I had planned it.. lol
I do have one issue though. The controller is programmed to not send PL during ID, so that someone can turn on PL decode and leave their radio up without hearing the ID and grandfather clock on the hour. We used a TS64 before to decode/encode PL, but we took it out of the chain and are going direct to the SLR. Everything is working fine except for that one feature. I wired up GPIO9 (pin 6) to Pin 1 (CTCSS Control) and enabled TX PL Inhibit on GPIO9, but it seems like with it assigned, it permanently inhibits PL, even if I flip from High to Low functionality on the repeater. Is there something I'm missing or is my way of thinking not possible?
Also, those that have used the SLR, what should you have the Audio Type set as? Wanted to make sure I have it correct.
Mike
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Illegal? First I've heard that one.. we have done it for several years and never had an issue. Not to mention every repeater around us voice ID's every 10 minutes as well, and the FCC requires ID when in use, so why not just have it ID anyways? So please enlighten me, and go ahead and rat us out if you want. Not like the FCC gives a damn about ham anyways.. as evident by the nighty garble I hear on 7.200. As for the why? Like I said above, to retain the functionality we did before. I configured it so that tone would only pass on voice announcements and radio traffic, not ID's. As I said above.. that way someone can turn PL Decode on and not hear the ID (which we mainly use as a heartbeat to say "hey, the repeater is on") and keep their radio open to hear a calling station. Since we are no longer using the TS64 I figured that some way to control transmit PL would be needed since we are going straight from controller to the repeater. I'm not familiar with how the SLR8K works in that regard, so being less of a dick would be absolutely fantastic. No wonder this hobby has turned into a grouch fest. Mike
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Re: RC-210 and SLR-8000 PL Inhibit
On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 10:47 PM, Chris Boone WB5ITT wrote:
Uhhh beacon IDing, etc is illegal under part97..several repeaters have gotten emails from Riley about it.
?
As to the SLR, why did you do that? The SLR drops tone with the tx so what you did was something that was totally useless and unneeded. I don't understand why you did all that with the gpio.
?
Chris WB5ITT?
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Our club's VXR7000 died, so we upgraded to a loaned SLR-8000 (good to have friends in low places) to get us back on the air. Luckily everything came on as programmed and I couldn't have done it better myself if I had planned it.. lol
I do have one issue though. The controller is programmed to not send PL during ID, so that someone can turn on PL decode and leave their radio up without hearing the ID and grandfather clock on the hour. We used a TS64 before to decode/encode PL, but we took it out of the chain and are going direct to the SLR. Everything is working fine except for that one feature. I wired up GPIO9 (pin 6) to Pin 1 (CTCSS Control) and enabled TX PL Inhibit on GPIO9, but it seems like with it assigned, it permanently inhibits PL, even if I flip from High to Low functionality on the repeater. Is there something I'm missing or is my way of thinking not possible?
Also, those that have used the SLR, what should you have the Audio Type set as? Wanted to make sure I have it correct.
Mike
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Illegal? First I've heard that one.. we have done it for several years and never had an issue. Not to mention every repeater around us voice ID's every 10 minutes as well, and the FCC requires ID when in use, so why not just have it ID anyways? So please enlighten me, and go ahead and rat us out if you want. Not like the FCC gives a damn about ham anyways.. as evident by the nighty garble I hear on 7.200. As for the why? Like I said above, to retain the functionality we did before. I configured it so that tone would only pass on voice announcements and radio traffic, not ID's. As I said above.. that way someone can turn PL Decode on and not hear the ID (which we mainly use as a heartbeat to say "hey, the repeater is on") and keep their radio open to hear a calling station. Since we are no longer using the TS64 I figured that some way to control transmit PL would be needed since we are going straight from controller to the repeater. I'm not familiar with how the SLR8K works in that regard, so being less of a dick would be absolutely fantastic. No wonder this hobby has turned into a grouch fest. Mike
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Re: DB-224-E antenna sources?
On Wed, May 21, 2025 at 11:27 AM, W?SVH wrote:
If your near Kentucky, there is one listed on Fleabay.
I'd be concerned buying an antenna from someone that can't even keep their fingers out of the photo. And there's only one John I know of in the Elizabethtown area that does anything radio... I'll leave it at that.
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Re: RC-210 and SLR-8000 PL Inhibit
Uhhh beacon IDing, etc is illegal under part97..several repeaters have gotten emails from Riley about it.
As to the SLR, why did you do that? The SLR drops tone with the tx so what you did was something that was totally useless and unneeded. I don't understand why you did all that with the gpio.
Chris WB5ITT?
Our club's VXR7000 died, so we upgraded to a loaned SLR-8000 (good to have friends in low places) to get us back on the air. Luckily everything came on as programmed and I couldn't have done it better myself if I had planned it.. lol
I do have one issue though. The controller is programmed to not send PL during ID, so that someone can turn on PL decode and leave their radio up without hearing the ID and grandfather clock on the hour. We used a TS64 before to decode/encode PL, but we took it out of the chain and are going direct to the SLR. Everything is working fine except for that one feature. I wired up GPIO9 (pin 6) to Pin 1 (CTCSS Control) and enabled TX PL Inhibit on GPIO9, but it seems like with it assigned, it permanently inhibits PL, even if I flip from High to Low functionality on the repeater. Is there something I'm missing or is my way of thinking not possible?
Also, those that have used the SLR, what should you have the Audio Type set as? Wanted to make sure I have it correct.
Mike
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RC-210 and SLR-8000 PL Inhibit
Our club's VXR7000 died, so we upgraded to a loaned SLR-8000 (good to have friends in low places) to get us back on the air. Luckily everything came on as programmed and I couldn't have done it better myself if I had planned it.. lol
I do have one issue though. The controller is programmed to not send PL during ID, so that someone can turn on PL decode and leave their radio up without hearing the ID and grandfather clock on the hour. We used a TS64 before to decode/encode PL, but we took it out of the chain and are going direct to the SLR. Everything is working fine except for that one feature. I wired up GPIO9 (pin 6) to Pin 1 (CTCSS Control) and enabled TX PL Inhibit on GPIO9, but it seems like with it assigned, it permanently inhibits PL, even if I flip from High to Low functionality on the repeater. Is there something I'm missing or is my way of thinking not possible?
Also, those that have used the SLR, what should you have the Audio Type set as? Wanted to make sure I have it correct.
Mike
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Re: Using HF rig or 6M repeaters
Turn off the processor.
Some older radios have one mic gain as a knob adjustment. The level for SSB is different than FM.
A cheap SDR watching the audio spectrum and zoom in on RF spectrum can assist getting FM deviation to 3KHz at 1KHz tone
Benjamin, KB9LFZ?
I have some potential users of my 6M FM
repeater that want to use their HF rigs for that purpose.
Unfortunately most that have tried have terrible audio - over
driven and distorted. What do they need to pay attention to with
their rigs? FWIW, I do not have an HF radio because I have zero
interest, so I'm no help to them.
Chuck
WB2EDV
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Re: Using HF rig or 6M repeaters
Probably haven't readjusted the mic gain from 7200 ??
I'll let myself out now thank you
I have some potential users of my 6M FM
repeater that want to use their HF rigs for that purpose.
Unfortunately most that have tried have terrible audio - over
driven and distorted. What do they need to pay attention to with
their rigs? FWIW, I do not have an HF radio because I have zero
interest, so I'm no help to them.
Chuck
WB2EDV
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Using HF rig or 6M repeaters
I have some potential users of my 6M FM
repeater that want to use their HF rigs for that purpose.
Unfortunately most that have tried have terrible audio - over
driven and distorted. What do they need to pay attention to with
their rigs? FWIW, I do not have an HF radio because I have zero
interest, so I'm no help to them.
Chuck
WB2EDV
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They should be using the FTDI chipset - drivers for most/all OS are here:
If for some reason Prolific - then here, not really drivers but configuration data blobs for Windows: ?
A little bit of information folks ought to be aware of relative to USB serial port implementations, vs the original 8250/19650 UAR/Ts and RS-232 built into some PC chipsets: ?
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There is a lot of software that will run in "Compatibility Mode. Always worth a try.
Mick - W7CAT
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gervais Fillion via groups.io" To: " [email protected]" Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2025 06:35:08 PM Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] RT systems drivers they are rare these days but they exist.
maybe someone will hep yu off list!
After XP for me that was the Best,w7 was not bad.
many programm still run on XP but not on the recent Windows.
All my TNC,radios are programmed with my old XP
Gef
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Envoyé : 22 mai 2025 16:51
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Objet : Re: [repeater-builder] RT systems drivers
Hi, I don't actually have a copy of that.
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 22, 2025, at 3:45?PM, Gervais Fillion via groups.io wrote:
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Chad,
Try with W7 if you have a copy! it may find the good driver itself.
W7 was an XP Updated if i remember!
gervais,ve2ckn
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Envoyé : 22 mai 2025 16:19
? : [email protected]
Objet : [repeater-builder] RT systems drivers
Hi,
Does anyone know of a good resource to find WIN XP drivers for RT Systems cables? Tried their web site, however all options for downloads are not available.
Thanks,
Chad WI9HF
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I did, they told me to go online, I found the driver section, but everything was great out and not available to click on. Plus, they didn't think they would work with Windows XP. Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979 Janesville Wisconsin 608-754-8671 Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
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On May 22, 2025, at 6:35?PM, bob ehrhorn <behrhorn@...> wrote:
? Did you call RT systems support ??
Bob? On May 22, 2025, at 14:23, Chad Nelson <chad.nelson71@...> wrote:
? Cool I will try that out when I get back to my computer. Thanks. Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979 Janesville Wisconsin 608-754-8671 Send from my spectrum iPhone 16. On May 22, 2025, at 4:05?PM, Matthew Annen via groups.io <matthew.annen@...> wrote:
? Wayback machine might work?
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they are rare these days but they exist.
maybe someone will hep yu off list!?
After XP for me that was the Best,w7 was not bad.
many programm still run on XP but not on the recent Windows.
All my TNC,radios are programmed with my old XP?
Gef
Hi, I don't actually have a copy of that.
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
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On May 22, 2025, at 3:45?PM, Gervais Fillion via groups.io <ve2ckn2@...> wrote:
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Chad,
Try with W7 if you have a copy! it may find the good driver itself.
W7 was an XP Updated if i remember!
gervais,ve2ckn
Hi,
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Does anyone know of a good resource to find WIN XP drivers for RT Systems cables? Tried their web site, however all options for downloads are not available.
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Thanks,
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Chad? WI9HF
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My iso tee / RF sampler arrived today.?
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Is this a good way to measure & set the attenuation? I put the sampler on my KC901J. Then put a 50 ohm load on the bnc sample side. Then fully 2 port calibrated the cable & tee connector with my keysight calibration set.
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?After that I moved the narda 50 ohm load to the other direct RF port of the tee. Then hooked port two onto the bnc sample side. Then adjusted the slide to vary & set the attenuation to 50db just for now.?
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Did you call RT systems support ??
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On May 22, 2025, at 14:23, Chad Nelson <chad.nelson71@...> wrote:
? Cool I will try that out when I get back to my computer. Thanks. Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979 Janesville Wisconsin 608-754-8671 Send from my spectrum iPhone 16. On May 22, 2025, at 4:05?PM, Matthew Annen via groups.io <matthew.annen@...> wrote:
? Wayback machine might work?
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Cool I will try that out when I get back to my computer. Thanks. Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979 Janesville Wisconsin 608-754-8671 Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
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On May 22, 2025, at 4:05?PM, Matthew Annen via groups.io <matthew.annen@...> wrote:
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Nope, I got that, tnx Joe?
Repeaterbuilder has the diagrams for other cables.? Can't you use that
schematic?? or do you need the pinout of the mike connector?
Joe. K1ike
On 5/21/2025 10:51 AM, Chris Boone WB5ITT via wrote:
> Due to my former company keeping my Kenwood programming cables, I'm kind
> of stuck right now. I've got two tk790s I need to reprogram the
> frequencies and I know that front panel programming won't allow me to do
> that. I've got an old microphone with the connector and want to make up
> my own programming kpg 43 but I can't find the schematic anywhere. Don't
> be a smart ass and tell me to go buy one, as some people have previously
> done in other post. I don't have time! I know transmit and receive data
> is carried on one pin but how do you interface that to a FTDI? Resistors
> or is a xstr needed? I have searched everywhere and can't find the damn
> schematic for this thing. I know I used to have it but I lost it on an
> old hard drive.
> TIA
> Chris WB5ITT
>
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FS: two Kenwood TKR-850 and 851 UHF
Kenwood TKR-851. Basically a TKR-850V2 but lower power.? Cover 70cm band and will tune to your frequency.? $600 shipped?
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Kenwood TKR-850 V1.? Cover 70cm band and will tune to your frequency.? $550 shipped.??
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Both of these are the repeater units *only*. There is no rack mount case.? Both work perfectly.
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Email for more info at this address or one on my QRZ page.
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73
Jacob
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KB9LFZ
Gervais Fillion
N4FOX