Hello Jeff,

Any plans for the holiday? Just wondering if you would like to go pound sand with me?

By the way Tom, you forgot to give your call sign like us respectable hams do!

Mick - W7CAT

On May 23, 2025, at 10:33?AM, Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA) <tarra@...> wrote:

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Have you ever read Part 97? Do you know what it is about?


§ 97.119 Station identification.

(a) Each amateur station, except a space station or telecommand station, must transmit its assigned call sign on its transmitting channel at the end of each communication, and at least every 10 minutes during a communication

There isn't anything in the rules that says you are supposed to transmit every ten minutes that a repeater is available.

There is also nothing that says you can’t. Now go pound sand with your buddy Jeff.

Have you ever read Part 97? Do you know what it is about?


§ 97.119 Station identification.

(a) Each amateur station, except a space station or telecommand station, must transmit its assigned call sign on its transmitting channel at the end of each communication, and at least every 10 minutes during a communication

There isn't anything in the rules that says you are supposed to transmit every ten minutes that a repeater is available.

"We’ve been running our repeaters for well over 40 years this way." Maybe they have been "grandmothered in".

Since you are doing everything proper and legal, then there is nothing to worry about with giving your call sign (do you have one?). And the call signs for these legal repeaters.

Maybe all of us should turn on our "email CTCSS decoders" and then we won't see him again!

Mick - W7CAT

Jeff,
Since you obviously think you must have the last word, go ahead. I’m through dealing with your arrogance and stupidity. Have a blessed day.

Between ensuring they are using FM, best amplitude for mic gain, and when possible a vertical antenna - these things have greatly helped those doing this

Jason

Hi Guys:

I am looking for the software and a programming cable for the Hytera MD652U DMR radio.

Appreciate any info!

Thanks,

Ramesh, VA3UV, WA3UV

I said I was going back the original subject of DMR beacons. I wasn't talking

about ID's.

Clearly you were.

I quote myself: "Going back to the original discussion regarding DMR beaconing,"

Perhaps your problems understanding the rules is related to your inability to read what has been written very clearly.

We’ve been
running our repeaters for well over 40 years this way. If it were illegal, we would
have gotten a notice in that time.

"I've been stealing toilet paper from the Walmart bathroom for 40 years and have never been caught so it must be legal."

Smarter people than you set our systems up initially.

Really? Who were they? I enjoy meeting people smarter than me and having intellectual discussions with them, it's a great way to learn new things.

--- Jeff WN3A

Transmitting your ID is not the same as beaconing.

I said I was going back the original subject of DMR beacons. I wasn't talking about ID's.

Clearly you were.

Until then, go pound sand.

Rephrasing: "I don't like you pointing out the errors of my ways so I'll ignore you". Nice attitude, especially in amateur radio where we are supposed to be self-policing. Clearly you can't even police yourself.

I was quite clear. YOUR INTERPRETATION of the rules are irrelevant. We’ve been running our repeaters for well over 40 years this way. If it were illegal, we would have gotten a notice in that time. Smarter people than you set our systems up initially. I trust THEIR judgement. We police ourselves quite well. You just don’t like the fact that we don’t take your comments as gospel. Have a blessed day Jeff.

Not at all. Transmitting the repeater ID every 10 minutes is not only legal, but
required.

It is required that you ID during and at the end of activity.

It is not required that you identify every 10 minutes when there is no activity. In fact, it is not permitted. Transmitting an ID for no reason repeatedly is a one-way transmission. It is not permissible as evidenced by FCC warning letters over the years. There are several people *on this list* that have received such warnings, and no, I'm not going to rat them out.

Your interpretation.

Nope, fact. Your interpretation is that if you don't get caught doing something that's wrong that it's fine to do it.

The purpose is that the FCC states we must ID every ten minutes.

That's not what the rules say, read them again.

Again, your interpretation. Why are you so concerned about your supposed “RF
辫辞濒濒耻迟颈辞苍”?

Because you're not the only repeater in the planet on the channel. Even if your coordinator gives you something akin to geographic exclusivity on the channel doesn't mean there aren't distant users that can hear your pointless ID's, or even potentially interfere with their use or reception of another co-channel or adjacent-channel repeater if they are on the fringes.

Transmitting your ID is not the same as beaconing.

I said I was going back the original subject of DMR beacons. I wasn't talking about ID's.

Until then, go pound sand.

Rephrasing: "I don't like you pointing out the errors of my ways so I'll ignore you". Nice attitude, especially in amateur radio where we are supposed to be self-policing. Clearly you can't even police yourself. You have the shoplifter's attitude of "as long as I don't get caught I may as well keep doing it."

--- Jeff WN3A

Even if it was legal to id every ten minutes, I wouldn't monitor
a repeater that did that. Just no need for that.

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Mike audio gain can be much different between SSB, AM and FM operation. They may have to remember what the optimum setting for mike gain is for each mode and reset the control.

73, Joe, K1ike

I would have used a different term other than ignorant.

On May 23, 2025, at 7:45?AM, Jeff DePolo WN3A via groups.io <jd0@...> wrote:

So, you're admitting that what you're doing is wrong, but as long as nobody complains then it's OK?

Not at all. Transmitting the repeater ID every 10 minutes is not only legal, but required.

The FCC requires we ID every 10 minutes when the repeater is in use. It is in use from 0600 until 2359.

If you have continuous activity (USER activity) for 18 hours straight my hat is off to you, God Bless, keep doing what you're doing. If you're saying that the repeater is ENABLED for 18 hours, only during and following a period of activity should the repeater ID every 10 minutes.

Your interpretation.

"If the FCC doesn't know about it then I can get away with it." Again, you're demonstrating that you know that it's not proper yet you're doing it anyway.

Again, your interpretation.

What is the reason for ID'ing every 10 minutes? To pollute the channel with more RF? To remind everybody what the repeater's callsign is? What exactly is the purpose?

The purpose is that the FCC states we must ID every ten minutes.

Likewise, what is the purpose of 'grandfather clock' ID's? Doesn't everybody have a watch, a cell phone, a clock, or some other timekeeping device with or near them at all times already? More RF pollution, more FCC violations.

Again, your interpretation. Why are you so concerned about your supposed “RF 辫辞濒濒耻迟颈辞苍”?

Going back to the original discussion regarding DMR beaconing, that, too, has already been "addressed" by the FCC in several instances in my area. The relevant rule section is 97.203(d):

(d) A beacon may be automatically controlled while it is transmitting on the 28.20‐28.30 MHz, 50.06‐
50.08 MHz, 144.275‐144.300 MHz, 222.05‐222.06 MHz or 432.300‐432.400 MHz segments, or on the 33
cm and shorter wavelength bands.

Transmitting your ID is not the same as beaconing. Get over yourself Jeff. When YOU become head of the FCC, then you get to dictate to others. Until then, go pound sand.

So, you are going to monitor the frequency 24/7 and testify that something didn’t key the repeater to trigger the ID?

So, you're admitting that what you're doing is wrong, but as long as nobody complains then it's OK?

The FCC requires we ID every 10 minutes when the repeater is in use. It is in use from 0600 until 2359.

If you have continuous activity (USER activity) for 18 hours straight my hat is off to you, God Bless, keep doing what you're doing. If you're saying that the repeater is ENABLED for 18 hours, only during and following a period of activity should the repeater ID every 10 minutes.

The only way the FCC would even check on when a repeater IDs is if a sad ham complains.

"If the FCC doesn't know about it then I can get away with it." Again, you're demonstrating that you know that it's not proper yet you're doing it anyway.

What is the reason for ID'ing every 10 minutes? To pollute the channel with more RF? To remind everybody what the repeater's callsign is? What exactly is the purpose?

Likewise, what is the purpose of 'grandfather clock' ID's? Doesn't everybody have a watch, a cell phone, a clock, or some other timekeeping device with or near them at all times already? More RF pollution, more FCC violations.

Going back to the original discussion regarding DMR beaconing, that, too, has already been "addressed" by the FCC in several instances in my area. The relevant rule section is 97.203(d):

(d) A beacon may be automatically controlled while it is transmitting on the 28.20‐28.30 MHz, 50.06‐
50.08 MHz, 144.275‐144.300 MHz, 222.05‐222.06 MHz or 432.300‐432.400 MHz segments, or on the 33
cm and shorter wavelength bands.

Nobody has repeaters in any of those segments because none of those segments are eligible for repeater operation per 97.205(b).

--- Jeff WN3A

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Can't argue with the ignorant!

Mick - W7CAT