O14 locomotives

David Vaughan All Messages By This Member #6326 I have just started on the O14 NG part of a7mm scale lime works and quarry with a standard gauge main line transfer facility.I had earlier purchased and built a Nonneminstre kit for an O&K locomotive that comes complete with chassis, wheels and motor, plus some KB scale skip wagons. there seems to be a very small number of industrial petrol or diesel locomotoves avaialble for O14 except those from Nonnemistre that need a Wrigthlines chassis which is no longer generally avialable. There is of course the very nice plate-frame Simplex from Nigel Lawton but I am afraid this would be beyond my modelling skills to build. I am after some typical industrial/quarry type locomotives such as Simplex, Hudson Hunslet and Ruston. Is there anything out there with an easily built or ready-to-run chassis? I have used Tenshodo chassis before but have not found them to be very good at tight curves or slow running. David
Keith Hanbury-Chatten All Messages By This Member #6327 David, Have a look at the KB scale range. I am part way through a Ruston LBT which has a ready built chassis. I am a very basic modeller so am using glue rather than solder but so far it looks good. Mind you it been under construction for five years. Keith HC Dursley? ---In O14@..., <dvaughan66@...> wrote : I have just started on the O14 NG part of a7mm scale lime works and quarry with a standard gauge main line transfer facility.I had earlier purchased and built a Nonneminstre kit for an O&K locomotive that comes complete with chassis, wheels and motor, plus some KB scale skip wagons. there seems to be a very small number of industrial petrol or diesel locomotoves avaialble for O14 except those from Nonnemistre that need a Wrigthlines chassis which is no longer generally avialable. There is of course the very nice plate-frame Simplex from Nigel Lawton but I am afraid this would be beyond my modelling skills to build. I am after some typical industrial/quarry type locomotives such as Simplex, Hudson Hunslet and Ruston. Is there anything out there with an easily built or ready-to-run chassis? I have used Tenshodo chassis before but have not found them to be very good at tight curves or slow running. David
Frank Sharp All Messages By This Member #6328 开云体育 David, ? KB scale Lister has a ready milled brass chassis. In effect a 'better' made version of the Nonneminstre O&K. The KB Lister will JUST take a 1015 can motor rather than the open frame one that comes with the kit. JUST means you have to file some off one of the plastic ends. I burnt out the original motor or I wouldn't have bothered. The Lister is still very slow and being lighter than the O&K appreciates clean wheels and track. The footplate etc is castings. I assembled all the parts on a mica block, held them in place with map pins, soaked it in flux, cut bits of 188 solder and placed them and ran the solder with a gas torch. Trying to solder castings together one at a time invites an earlier joint to melt. If I did another I'd seriously consider Araldite Precision and cure it somewhere warm. ? Because it is light haulage is limited, but having driven a real one pushing a short bogie open coach up hill and round a curve, possibly better than the prototype! ? I think you will have to solder the engine cover, but you should get away with Araldite for everything else. ? Black Beetles run a bit better than Tenshodo but aren't always a direct replacement. ? Frank ---In O14@..., <dvaughan66@...> wrote : I have just started on the O14 NG part of a7mm scale lime works and quarry with a standard gauge main line transfer facility.I had earlier purchased and built a Nonneminstre kit for an O&K locomotive that comes complete with chassis, wheels and motor, plus some KB scale skip wagons. there seems to be a very small number of industrial petrol or diesel locomotoves avaialble for O14 except those from Nonnemistre that need a Wrigthlines chassis which is no longer generally avialable. Th ere is of course the very nice plate-frame Simplex from Nigel Lawton but I am afraid this would be beyond my modelling skills to build. I am after some typical industrial/quarry type locomotives such as Simplex, Hudson Hunslet and Ruston. Is there anything out there with an easily built or ready-to-run chassis? I have used Tenshodo chassis before but have not found them to be very good at tight curves or slow running. David
Bruce Wood All Messages By This Member #6329 开云体育 Hi David. ? Have a look at the Ruston’s I use on my model railway “A3014”. ? ? They are my favourite O14 industrial locos. ? ? ? Bruce ? ? ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 4:51 AM To: O14@... Subject: [O14] O14 locomotives ? ? I have just started on the O14 NG part of a7mm scale lime works and quarry with a standard gauge main line transfer facility.I had earlier purchased and built a Nonneminstre kit for an O&K locomotive that comes complete with chassis, wheels and motor, plus some KB scale skip wagons. there seems to be a very small number of industrial petrol or diesel locomotoves avaialble for O14 except those from Nonnemistre that need a Wrigthlines chassis which is no longer generally avialable. There is of course the very nice plate-frame Simplex from Nigel Lawton but I am afraid this would be beyond my modelling skills to build. I am after some typical industrial/quarry type locomotives such as Simplex, Hudson Hunslet and Ruston. Is there anything out there with an easily built or ready-to-run chassis? I have used Tenshodo chassis before but have not found them to be very good at tight curves or slow running. David
B.Rumary All Messages By This Member #6330 开云体育 I think I remember hearing that at least some of Nonnemistre loco kits are a bit overscale for 7mm, due to their use of commercial loco mechanisms. Am I right about this? -- Brian Rumary England brian(at)rumary.co.uk
David Vaughan All Messages By This Member #6331 Thank's for that info but hwat is a 1015 can motor? David
David Vaughan All Messages By This Member #6332 Are these Rustons built from the KB scale kits? David
Bruce Wood All Messages By This Member #6333 开云体育 Hi David, ? My Ruston’s are the KB Scale models (and I think they are fantastic models!) ? In search for more power and better running performance, I have replaced the mechanisms on a couple from an Australian mechanism specialist company – Hollywood Foundry. The “trade-off” has been that I have had to forego a lot of the cab’s interior detail, however when the driver sits on the motor, most observers would not be aware of the loss of the cab interior detail. ? Bruce ? ? ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 2:20 AM To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? ? Are these Rustons built from the KB scale kits? David
David Woodcock All Messages By This Member #6334 The Hudson Hunslet is overscale to allow a SPUD to fit. As far as I am aware the others are OK, certainly the O&K is.
Frank Sharp All Messages By This Member #6335 开云体育 1015, is a Mashima can motor, 10mm wide 15mm long. ? Frank ? ?
Geoff Briggs All Messages By This Member #6336 Hi Bruce, Are you using the TT (14.2mm) gauge Bull Ants from Hollywood foundry? ?How have you found they run on O14? Cheers Geoff toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: "'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [O14]" To: O14@... Sent: Monday, 17 August 2015, 8:29 Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives Hi David, ? My Ruston’s are the KB Scale models (and I think they are fantastic models!) ? In search for more power and better running performance, I have replaced the mechanisms on a couple from an Australian mechanism specialist company – Hollywood Foundry. The “trade-off” has been that I have had to forego a lot of the cab’s interior detail, however when the driver sits on the motor, most observers would not be aware of the loss of the cab interior detail. ? Bruce ? ? ? From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 2:20 AM To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? ? Are these Rustons built from the KB scale kits? David
Bruce Wood All Messages By This Member #6337 开云体育 Hi Geoff, ? My memory is that Hollywood’s web site on-line ordering does not have provision for 14 mm gauge, nevertheless, I informed Geoff what I wanted and he was able to build my BullAnts. I have just run the callipers over the wheel sets, and the back-to-back is 12.2 mm , which is the same measurement as the KB Scale mine skips I use. ? The BullAnt wheel sets (I think they may be Nickel Silver?) the electrical pick-up is good, and they operate beautifully! ? ? Cheers Bruce ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:16 PM To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? ? Hi Bruce, Are you using the TT (14.2mm) gauge Bull Ants from Hollywood foundry?? How have you found they run on O14? Cheers Geoff ? From: "'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [O14]" To: O14@... Sent: Monday, 17 August 2015, 8:29 Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? Hi David, ? My Ruston’s are the KB Scale models (and I think they are fantastic models!) ? In search for more power and better running performance, I have replaced the mechanisms on a couple from an Australian mechanism specialist company – Hollywood Foundry. The “trade-off” has been that I have had to forego a lot of the cab’s interior detail, however when the driver sits on the motor, most observers would not be aware of the loss of the cab interior detail. ? Bruce ? ? ? From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 2:20 AM To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? ? Are these Rustons built from the KB scale kits? David
Geoff Briggs All Messages By This Member #6338 Hi Bruce, That's great news that he will set them to gauge for us, thanks for the heads up and the running quality report. Cheers Geoff toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: "'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [O14]" To: O14@... Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2015, 13:35 Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives Hi Geoff, ? My memory is that Hollywood’s web site on-line ordering does not have provision for 14 mm gauge, nevertheless, I informed Geoff what I wanted and he was able to build my BullAnts. I have just run the callipers over the wheel sets, and the back-to-back is 12.2 mm , which is the same measurement as the KB Scale mine skips I use. ? The BullAnt wheel sets (I think they may be Nickel Silver?) the electrical pick-up is good, and they operate beautifully! ? ? Cheers Bruce ? From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:16 PM To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? ? Hi Bruce, Are you using the TT (14.2mm) gauge Bull Ants from Hollywood foundry?? How have you found they run on O14? Cheers Geoff ? From: "'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [O14]" To: O14@... Sent: Monday, 17 August 2015, 8:29 Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? Hi David, ? My Ruston’s are the KB Scale models (and I think they are fantastic models!) ? In search for more power and better running performance, I have replaced the mechanisms on a couple from an Australian mechanism specialist company – Hollywood Foundry. The “trade-off” has been that I have had to forego a lot of the cab’s interior detail, however when the driver sits on the motor, most observers would not be aware of the loss of the cab interior detail. ? Bruce ? ? ? From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 2:20 AM To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? ? Are these Rustons built from the KB scale kits? David
Bruce Wood All Messages By This Member #6339 开云体育 Hi Geoff, ? When you place your order, just make sure that Geoff is fully aware that it is for 14 mm gauge. (I get the impression that he don’t have too many orders in the gauge!) ? Best regards Bruce ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:39 PM To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? ? Hi Bruce, That's great news that he will set them to gauge for us, thanks for the heads up and the running quality report. Cheers Geoff ? From: "'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [O14]" To: O14@... Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2015, 13:35 Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? Hi Geoff, ? My memory is that Hollywood’s web site on-line ordering does not have provision for 14 mm gauge, nevertheless, I informed Geoff what I wanted and he was able to build my BullAnts. I have just run the callipers over the wheel sets, and the back-to-back is 12.2 mm , which is the same measurement as the KB Scale mine skips I use. ? The BullAnt wheel sets (I think they may be Nickel Silver?) the electrical pick-up is good, and they operate beautifully! ? ? Cheers Bruce ? From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:16 PM To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? ? Hi Bruce, Are you using the TT (14.2mm) gauge Bull Ants from Hollywood foundry?? How have you found they run on O14? Cheers Geoff ? From: "'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [O14]" To: O14@... Sent: Monday, 17 August 2015, 8:29 Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? Hi David, ? My Ruston’s are the KB Scale models (and I think they are fantastic models!) ? In search for more power and better running performance, I have replaced the mechanisms on a couple from an Australian mechanism specialist company – Hollywood Foundry. The “trade-off” has been that I have had to forego a lot of the cab’s interior detail, however when the driver sits on the motor, most observers would not be aware of the loss of the cab interior detail. ? Bruce ? ? ? From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 2:20 AM To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? ? Are these Rustons built from the KB scale kits? David
David John All Messages By This Member #6340 Hi Geoff I have BullAnt chassis in quite a few of my locos, from the big Bo-Bo Vale of Ffestiniog, the 2-6-2T Russell, the 4w Moel y Gest as well as a slate wagon (for the gravity train) and an 'A' Class wagon (for no sensible reason).? All run superbly - my preference is for a primary belt drive which means the locos are smooth and almost silent. I can't recommend these chassis too highly. For more details of the locos see Cheers David toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: "'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [O14]" To: O14@... Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2015, 5:03 Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? Hi Geoff, ? When you place your order, just make sure that Geoff is fully aware that it is for 14 mm gauge. (I get the impression that he don’t have too many orders in the gauge!) ? Best regards Bruce ? From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:39 PM To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? ? Hi Bruce, That's great news that he will set them to gauge for us, thanks for the heads up and the running quality report. Cheers Geoff ? From: "'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [O14]" To: O14@... Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2015, 13:35 Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? Hi Geoff, ? My memory is that Hollywood’s web site on-line ordering does not have provision for 14 mm gauge, nevertheless, I informed Geoff what I wanted and he was able to build my BullAnts. I have just run the callipers over the wheel sets, and the back-to-back is 12.2 mm , which is the same measurement as the KB Scale mine skips I use. ? The BullAnt wheel sets (I think they may be Nickel Silver?) the electrical pick-up is good, and they operate beautifully! ? ? Cheers Bruce ? From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:16 PM To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? ? Hi Bruce, Are you using the TT (14.2mm) gauge Bull Ants from Hollywood foundry?? How have you found they run on O14? Cheers Geoff ? From: "'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [O14]" To: O14@... Sent: Monday, 17 August 2015, 8:29 Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? Hi David, ? My Ruston’s are the KB Scale models (and I think they are fantastic models!) ? In search for more power and better running performance, I have replaced the mechanisms on a couple from an Australian mechanism specialist company – Hollywood Foundry. The “trade-off” has been that I have had to forego a lot of the cab’s interior detail, however when the driver sits on the motor, most observers would not be aware of the loss of the cab interior detail. ? Bruce ? ? ? From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 2:20 AM To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? ? Are these Rustons built from the KB scale kits? David
Geoff Briggs All Messages By This Member #6341 Thanks everyone for your guidance and information with this topic, its much appreciated. I will be getting in touch with Geoff at Hollywoods! Cheers Geoff toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: "David John davidphillipjohn@... [O14]" To: "O14@..." Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2015, 17:21 Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives Hi Geoff I have BullAnt chassis in quite a few of my locos, from the big Bo-Bo Vale of Ffestiniog, the 2-6-2T Russell, the 4w Moel y Gest as well as a slate wagon (for the gravity train) and an 'A' Class wagon (for no sensible reason).? All run superbly - my preference is for a primary belt drive which means the locos are smooth and almost silent. I can't recommend these chassis too highly. For more details of the locos see Cheers David From: "'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [O14]" To: O14@... Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2015, 5:03 Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? Hi Geoff, ? When you place your order, just make sure that Geoff is fully aware that it is for 14 mm gauge. (I get the impression that he don’t have too many orders in the gauge!) ? Best regards Bruce ? From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:39 PM To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? ? Hi Bruce, That's great news that he will set them to gauge for us, thanks for the heads up and the running quality report. Cheers Geoff ? From: "'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [O14]" To: O14@... Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2015, 13:35 Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? Hi Geoff, ? My memory is that Hollywood’s web site on-line ordering does not have provision for 14 mm gauge, nevertheless, I informed Geoff what I wanted and he was able to build my BullAnts. I have just run the callipers over the wheel sets, and the back-to-back is 12.2 mm , which is the same measurement as the KB Scale mine skips I use. ? The BullAnt wheel sets (I think they may be Nickel Silver?) the electrical pick-up is good, and they operate beautifully! ? ? Cheers Bruce ? From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:16 PM To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? ? Hi Bruce, Are you using the TT (14.2mm) gauge Bull Ants from Hollywood foundry?? How have you found they run on O14? Cheers Geoff ? From: "'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [O14]" To: O14@... Sent: Monday, 17 August 2015, 8:29 Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? Hi David, ? My Ruston’s are the KB Scale models (and I think they are fantastic models!) ? In search for more power and better running performance, I have replaced the mechanisms on a couple from an Australian mechanism specialist company – Hollywood Foundry. The “trade-off” has been that I have had to forego a lot of the cab’s interior detail, however when the driver sits on the motor, most observers would not be aware of the loss of the cab interior detail. ? Bruce ? ? ? From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 2:20 AM To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? ? Are these Rustons built from the KB scale kits? David
Bruce Wood All Messages By This Member #6342 开云体育 Hi David, ? Great web site, and some some very nice pictures – well done! ? Cheers Bruce ? ? ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 5:21 PM To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? ? Hi Geoff ? I have BullAnt chassis in quite a few of my locos, from the big Bo-Bo Vale of Ffestiniog, the 2-6-2T Russell, the 4w Moel y Gest as well as a slate wagon (for the gravity train) and an 'A' Class wagon (for no sensible reason).? All run superbly - my preference is for a primary belt drive which means the locos are smooth and almost silent. ? I can't recommend these chassis too highly. ? For more details of the locos see ? Cheers ? David ? ? From: "'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [O14]" To: O14@... Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2015, 5:03 Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? ? Hi Geoff, ? When you place your order, just make sure that Geoff is fully aware that it is for 14 mm gauge. (I get the impression that he don’t have too many orders in the gauge!) ? Best regards Bruce ? From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:39 PM To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? ? Hi Bruce, That's great news that he will set them to gauge for us, thanks for the heads up and the running quality report. Cheers Geoff ? From: "'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [O14]" To: O14@... Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2015, 13:35 Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? Hi Geoff, ? My memory is that Hollywood’s web site on-line ordering does not have provision for 14 mm gauge, nevertheless, I informed Geoff what I wanted and he was able to build my BullAnts. I have just run the callipers over the wheel sets, and the back-to-back is 12.2 mm , which is the same measurement as the KB Scale mine skips I use. ? The BullAnt wheel sets (I think they may be Nickel Silver?) the electrical pick-up is good, and they operate beautifully! ? ? Cheers Bruce ? From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:16 PM To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? ? Hi Bruce, Are you using the TT (14.2mm) gauge Bull Ants from Hollywood foundry?? How have you found they run on O14? Cheers Geoff ? From: "'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [O14]" <O14@...> To: O14@... Sent: Monday, 17 August 2015, 8:29 Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? Hi David, ? My Ruston’s are the KB Scale models (and I think they are fantastic models!) ? In search for more power and better running performance, I have replaced the mechanisms on a couple from an Australian mechanism specialist company – Hollywood Foundry. The “trade-off” has been that I have had to forego a lot of the cab’s interior detail, however when the driver sits on the motor, most observers would not be aware of the loss of the cab interior detail. ? Bruce ? ? ? From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 2:20 AM To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] O14 locomotives ? ? Are these Rustons built from the KB scale kits? David
David Vaughan All Messages By This Member #6343 Hello again Bruce, I have looked on the Holywood foundry site. I have seen these Bull Ant units at a show and was impressed but ,looking at the basic4-wheel bogie, I can't see how you would fit this over a KB Ruston chassis as the flywheel or motor would take up the full length of the engine comaprtment and the cab. You have obviously achieved this so am I missing something?. Also I have looked at the Loepold Haller website. They have a good reputation for tram bogies. One in particular for a so-called old-timer tram would appear suitable. Has anyone used these and,if so, can they be regauged to14mm? David
Bruce Wood All Messages By This Member #6344 开云体育 Hi David, ? You are correct with what you have written. I thought I mentioned this in an earlier posting, however a compromise with the Bull Ant was the removal of most of the cab detail, including the motor, driver’s seat and firewall / driving controls. The Bull Ant motor is considerably bigger than the original motor supplied with the kit. My driver sits on the Bull Ant motor, and this obscures the view into the cab, so I don’t think it is that noticeable that the cab interior has been removed. ? On the Loepold Haller website, I tried to zoom the pictures to see how the mechanisms worked, and then the pictures lost clarity. I wasn’t sure what gauge these mechanisms are (16.5 mm?) however I suspect they have very small motors. With a tram, the motor only has to power one (very light) carriage, so motor power is not that important. ? Best regards Bruce ? ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 5:36 AM To: O14@... Subject: [O14] Re: O14 locomotives ? ? Hello again Bruce, I have looked on the Holywood foundry site. I have seen these Bull Ant units at a show and was impressed but ,looking at the basic4-wheel bogie, I can't see how you would fit this over a KB Ruston chassis as the flywheel or motor would take up the full length of the engine comaprtment and the cab. You have obviously achieved this so am I missing something?. Also I have looked at the Loepold Haller website. They have a good reputation for tram bogies. One in particular for a so-called old-timer tram would appear suitable. Has anyone used these and,if so, can they be regauged to14mm? David
Joe Krepps All Messages By This Member #6345 I'm a newbie to O14. Is there a reason not to use the power chassis available for the Ruston, supplied by KB Scale? Many thanks, Joe

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