Folks Excuse me I am a bit confused…,(not unknown territory) But have I not been burning my fingers on a O14? chassis from KB scale for the past few nights? Purchased from Narrow Planet as I recall? can someone straighten me out thanks? joe G  
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Robin?
thanks also to you I did download both set and yours was a little clearer?
thank you so much?
joe
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Ian
Thank you for uploading the instructions for the?
kit
With that and a few drawings of the loco
I may have a go at it…… lots of stuff in the queue though?
Again thank you so much
joe
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Narrow Gauge & Industrial. Publishers of a variety of books and of the fantastic (in my opinion the best magazine designed, bar none) quarterly NG&I Modelling Review.
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On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:31 PM, Brian via groups.io <rallim56@...> wrote:
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Who is NG&IRM?
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Basically all I need is the dimensions, I just need to check on some things, I don't really want to buy a whole book.
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Who is?NG&IRM?
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NG&IRM have it for sake st ?31.95. I’d thoroughly recommend it - lot’s of fascinating material on every aspect of the WW1 2’ gauge lines.
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Where do I find this album?
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Roy Link’s “WDLR Album has a detailed 7mm scale drawing of a bow-framed 20hp Simplex on page 173.
Allan
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Date 7/07/2023 7:52:38 AM
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NG&IRM have it for sake st ?31.95. I’d thoroughly recommend it - lot’s of fascinating material on every aspect of the WW1 2’ gauge lines.
On 6 Jul 2023, at 22:36, Brian via groups.io <rallim56@...> wrote:
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Where do I find this album?
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Date 7/07/2023 7:24:51 AM
Subject Re: [o14] Bow Framed Simplex
Roy Link’s “WDLR Album has a detailed 7mm scale drawing of a bow-framed 20hp Simplex on page 173.
Allan
On 6 Jul 2023, at 21:17, Brian via groups.io <rallim56@...> wrote:
?Does anyone have a decent drawing of the bow framed Simplex?
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NG&IRM have it for sake st ?31.95. I’d thoroughly recommend it - lot’s of fascinating material on every aspect of the WW1 2’ gauge lines.
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Where do I find this album?
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Date 7/07/2023 7:24:51 AM
Subject Re: [o14] Bow Framed Simplex
Roy Link’s “WDLR Album has a detailed 7mm scale drawing of a bow-framed 20hp Simplex on page 173.
Allan
On 6 Jul 2023, at 21:17, Brian via groups.io <rallim56@...> wrote:
?Does anyone have a decent drawing of the bow framed Simplex?
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If I recall, there is also a fantastic plan in Review 38. Issue 39 had more info with a series of fantastic photos. Nice to have alongside the plans.??
Dave
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Where do I find this album?
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Date 7/07/2023 7:24:51 AM
Subject Re: [o14] Bow Framed Simplex
Roy Link’s “WDLR Album has a detailed 7mm scale drawing of a bow-framed 20hp Simplex on page 173.
Allan
On 6 Jul 2023, at 21:17, Brian via groups.io <rallim56@...> wrote:
?Does anyone have a decent drawing of the bow framed Simplex?
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Roy Link’s “WDLR Album has a detailed 7mm scale drawing of a bow-framed 20hp Simplex on page 173. Allan
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Does anyone have a decent drawing of the bow framed Simplex?
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The original kit from Roy could be built to 14mm gauge and included an etched chassis with coarse 12:1 gears on a layshaft and an off-set vertical motor (a small Sagami). I think later versions also included the chassis but no gears as he couldn't get them from ABS anymore. Wrightlines continued to market the kit and it was incorporated into the range and catalogue sometimes with but often without the chassis. At least two of mine came from Wrightlines boxes and I recall Kay Butler selling the chassis etches separately for "scratch-builders".
What passed over to Wrightlines from Roy is a bit of a mystery as the Bagnall, Simplex and skip wagons made it into their range but despite an early Review article saying the Hudson/Hunslet 0-6-0WT was included, it never saw the light of day and was eventually included in the KB Scale catalogue. I'm not sure KB Scale actually issued any but they certainly produced a gearbox for them.
Cheers, Robin
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of David Woodcock via groups.io Sent: 27 June 2023 16:19 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [o14] Old Roy Link kit I think that this particular Simplex kit was only ever produced in a O16,5 format, but could be fitted with either a Tenshodo Spud (high-speed!) bogie or a home-made (scale-speed) chassis. It was possible to construct the home-made chassis to 14mm gauge (which I did). When Roy gave up manufacture and distribution of these early kits (which included a Bagnall 7” 0-4-0ST and some hoppers), he passed them to Wrightlines. Kay Butler certainly sold a few of the Simplex kits but I don’t think that they ever formed part of her normal range. David Woodcock Champlon, Belgique
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I think that this particular Simplex kit was only ever produced in a O16,5 format, but could be fitted with either a Tenshodo Spud (high-speed!) bogie or a home-made (scale-speed) chassis. It was possible to construct the home-made chassis to 14mm gauge (which I did).
When Roy gave up manufacture and distribution of these early kits (which included a Bagnall 7” 0-4-0ST and some hoppers), he passed them to Wrightlines. Kay Butler certainly sold a few of the Simplex kits but I don’t think that they ever formed part of her normal range.
David Woodcock
Champlon, Belgique
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Interesting on the motoring. I had a O-16.5 version of Roy’s, before he did 14mm gauge.
Kevin Staddon
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Brian
You have drawn a 20hp Simplex, Roy’s was one of the the rare higher powered ones with the taller motor cover. I do have a 20hp Simplex which uses an erstwhile Wrightlines body (white metal and useful for the weight) with a home-chassis. The latter utilises a Mashima 916 motor mounted upright under the motor cover and driving through a two-stage worm/gear drive giving a 1:196 reduction and thus prototypical slow running. Thanks to some clever pegging the loco can run with or without its cab.
David Woodcock
Champlon, Belgique
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David,
You can do a new drive system that will be more reliable for the
Simplex, I am assuming you have this type of Simplex, as in the first
drawing "Simplex".
In recent years there has been a lot of new developments with micro
gearhead motors, you can get them at good prices
To drive the Simplex I assume 7mm scale it has 18" dia. wheels [10.5mm]
you will need the motor with the 150rpm output, that will give you a
maximum speed of 8mph, I have attached another drawing set to 7mm scale
in size with the motor and gear housing over laid in red, and you use
small pulley's with a 1mm cross section O ring as belts, if you are
interested I can make up the pulley;s you need if you can let me know
what the diameter of the axles are.
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------ Original Message ------ From "David Woodcock via groups.io" <dandewoodcock@...> To [email protected]Date 24/06/2023 11:30:50 PM Subject Re: [o14] Old Roy Link kit The late-lamented Adrian Swain told me once that Roy sourced all his early gear sets through him and that they were a “bit rough”. Although I never quite finished constructing the bodywork of Roy’s Simplex kit, I did get the construction of the chassis kit complete to the extent that the whole thing was a runner and Adrian said that that was the only model, other than Roy’s own, that he had ever seen operational. Certainly getting it to that stage was an interesting experience with the tiny can motor that Roy supplied becoming distinctly hot even once I had managed to get the two-stage gear-train running smoothly
David Woodcock
Champlon, Belgique
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The late-lamented Adrian Swain told me once that Roy sourced all his early gear sets through him and that they were a “bit rough”. Although I never quite finished constructing the bodywork of Roy’s Simplex kit, I did get the construction of the chassis kit complete to the extent that the whole thing was a runner and Adrian said that that was the only model, other than Roy’s own, that he had ever seen operational. Certainly getting it to that stage was an interesting experience with the tiny can motor that Roy supplied becoming distinctly hot even once I had managed to get the two-stage gear-train running smoothly
David Woodcock
Champlon, Belgique
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Thinking about it a bit more, I think your kit which is in a video tape box is one of the later ones.? The original batch were in smaller
cardboard boxes.? This means that yours should have the milled brass false chassis side plates that can be used if you want to build a rigid chassis.? It also means that the axles are most likely already sized for 014.
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The original drive was through a 38:1 worm and gear (I think from Alan Gibson).? I don’t think KB Scale got around to re-issuing the
kit but did produce a gearbox design that was 54:1.? They don’t appear to have re-issued any of their gearboxes but I guess there is probably something from High Level Models that might suit?
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Cheers, Robin
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Robin Edwards
Sent: 23 June 2023 11:24
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [o14] Old Roy Link kit
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I have scanned and uploaded a file to my web site as it was quite large and I think the group has a file size limit.? I did this before
Ian’s email arrived so you have two sources now!
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I haven’t actually built mine yet but I understand that the original (which it looks like you have) came with 016.5 axles so it is
worth checking their length if you want an 014 version.? Also feedback was that the compensation system was very difficult to set up and later kits included two profile machined plates with accurately spaced holes for the bearings.? The kit includes two optional
white metal spacers that fit behind the cylinders for 016.5 but I know of a couple of modellers who have used those for their 014 versions to give a bit more clearance between the cross head and front crank pin.
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Good luck.
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Robin
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Sent: 22 June 2023 15:39
To: [email protected]
Subject: [o14] Old Roy Link kit
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Hello Folks?
Looking for a little help from the group (as always) I found a Roy Link Hudson Hudswell 0-6-0wt kit in the bargain section of a shop and snapped it up(who see’s this stuff in the US)
Of course it was a sack of sh….. stuff but in looking through it I thought it might be the start of something?
But of course no plans or drawings Does someone out there have a set they could copy for me as a starting point?
Don’t know if it could be resurrected or maybe bashed in to something else?
Any help as usual is greatly appreciated?
Regards?
joe gilmartin
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Despite the needs of WW1, they were supplied as ordered. The first two were 2ft 3 ins gauge and went to India for construction of New Delhi. One was called Ganges which might account for them being the G class. ? Frank ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Robin Edwards
Sent: Friday, 23 June, 2023 11:24
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [o14] Old Roy Link kit? I have scanned and uploaded a file to my web site as it was quite large and I think the group has a file size limit.? I did this before Ian’s email arrived so you have two sources now! ?
? I haven’t actually built mine yet but I understand that the original (which it looks like you have) came with 016.5 axles so it is worth checking their length if you want an 014 version.? Also feedback was that the compensation system was very difficult to set up and later kits included two profile machined plates with accurately spaced holes for the bearings.? The kit includes two optional white metal spacers that fit behind the cylinders for 016.5 but I know of a couple of modellers who have used those for their 014 versions to give a bit more clearance between the cross head and front crank pin. ? Good luck. ? Robin ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jogil476 via groups.io
Sent: 22 June 2023 15:39
To: [email protected]
Subject: [o14] Old Roy Link kit ? Hello Folks?
Looking for a little help from the group (as always) I found a Roy Link Hudson Hudswell 0-6-0wt kit in the bargain section of a shop and snapped it up(who see’s this stuff in the US)
Of course it was a sack of sh….. stuff but in looking through it I thought it might be the start of something?
But of course no plans or drawings Does someone out there have a set they could copy for me as a starting point?
Don’t know if it could be resurrected or maybe bashed in to something else?
Any help as usual is greatly appreciated?
Regards?
joe gilmartin
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I have scanned and uploaded a file to my web site as it was quite large and I think the group has a file size limit.? I did this before
Ian’s email arrived so you have two sources now!
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I haven’t actually built mine yet but I understand that the original (which it looks like you have) came with 016.5 axles so it is
worth checking their length if you want an 014 version.? Also feedback was that the compensation system was very difficult to set up and later kits included two profile machined plates with accurately spaced holes for the bearings.? The kit includes two optional
white metal spacers that fit behind the cylinders for 016.5 but I know of a couple of modellers who have used those for their 014 versions to give a bit more clearance between the cross head and front crank pin.
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Good luck.
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Robin
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of jogil476 via groups.io
Sent: 22 June 2023 15:39
To: [email protected]
Subject: [o14] Old Roy Link kit
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Hello Folks?
Looking for a little help from the group (as always) I found a Roy Link Hudson Hudswell 0-6-0wt kit in the bargain section of a shop and snapped it up(who see’s this stuff in the US)
Of course it was a sack of sh….. stuff but in looking through it I thought it might be the start of something?
But of course no plans or drawings Does someone out there have a set they could copy for me as a starting point?
Don’t know if it could be resurrected or maybe bashed in to something else?
Any help as usual is greatly appreciated?
Regards?
joe gilmartin
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Allan Dare
Robin Edwards
