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Firstly, thanks AJ for your efforts with this group.

John,

On 01/09/2010, at 10:45 PM, NeonJohn wrote:

The alternative, and in my opinion the way to go, is to move the list to
a privately operated server such as the several that have volunteered
including myself. A private server that has been there for awhile is
not likely to go away and is probably going to be better managed. I
like the MailMan system which is why I use it for my mailing lists.

The problem with the private model is that we're at the mercy of an individual. If you look at the archives at the Yahoo group you will see that AJ has been the sole moderator precisely because the group is privately owned, and the owner vanished. The solution is to spread ownership a bit wider, which Nick seems open to.

If you're worried about Google groups going away, then by all means mirror the group on your private server, like Nick was doing at Google Groups before this recent upheaval. You could even make that archive public.

I'd also strongly advocate that we do not move to a web forum. To me neonixie-l at Yahoo is a mailing list. It may be something else to others, but to me that is a critical feature - I can process email much more flexibly than yet another web forum that requires me to visit it, that can disappear at any moment, etc.

Which is not to say that we can't have both: Google Groups is the future, I humbly suggest.

I also vote for archiving the Yahoo stuff.

cheers
peter

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me too man, he took my money and said it would be OK....... planning any trips to java

I too have jumped over to Google. I also think it would be good to keep this group as an archive but move all the great stuff over to the new group before something terrible happens over here.
Dennis

Please be aware that this group no longer synchronises to the Google group of the same name...

Cheers

Nick

If someone can do the web design, I will gladly pay the hosting fees for a web forum. I have learned a lot from this group, and I want to keep it as good if not better than it was.
Shane

To: NEONIXIE-L@...
From: linuxratz@...
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:52:32 +0000
Subject: [NEONIXIE-L] Re: New google list email coices






























--- In NEONIXIE-L@..., Ian Martin <ianmartinphotography@...> wrote:

I'd respectfully suggest that AJ or another moderator make everything on the

Yahoo forum public so that anyone can access its information rich archive; I

can't imagine that there is anything on there that's very private that no

one else would want seen by the general public? Then, turn off the

synchronization making the Yahoo group a research library/museum...

-Ian

Excellent suggestion!



One item to remember is that the existing yahoo forum can be deleted by it's owner -Ray So it might be wise to copy all files/photo/etc contents now.



Taking it even further:

Although I'd never think the Google group might be lost, perhaps someone could propose a way to ensure it couldn't be?



/Barrett


















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--- In NEONIXIE-L@..., Ian Martin <ianmartinphotography@...> wrote:

I'd respectfully suggest that AJ or another moderator make everything on the
Yahoo forum public so that anyone can access its information rich archive; I
can't imagine that there is anything on there that's very private that no
one else would want seen by the general public? Then, turn off the
synchronization making the Yahoo group a research library/museum...

-Ian

Excellent suggestion!

One item to remember is that the existing yahoo forum can be deleted by it's owner -Ray So it might be wise to copy all files/photo/etc contents now.

Taking it even further:
Although I'd never think the Google group might be lost, perhaps someone could propose a way to ensure it couldn't be?

/Barrett

--- In NEONIXIE-L@..., "Terry" <tschw10117@...> wrote:

Before YAHOO jerks us around again, let's all move over to the neonixie-L group on Google. I just looked, it looks like it would be a fairly seamless transition. All our recent messages are posted there.

With an additional benefit that Mr. Ray Weisling is not the owner.
He still owes me a GeeKlok kit I paid for in 2006 and never received.

/Barrett

westdave votes you should leave a trail of bread crumbs at the old yahoo site to the new google site and turn that sucker on!

Seconded.

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Ian Martin
<ianmartinphotography@...>wrote:

I'd respectfully suggest that AJ or another moderator make everything on
the
Yahoo forum public so that anyone can access its information rich archive;
I
can't imagine that there is anything on there that's very private that no
one else would want seen by the general public? Then, turn off the
synchronization making the Yahoo group a research library/museum...

-Ian

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Nick <nick@...> wrote:

--- In NEONIXIE-L@... <NEONIXIE-L%40yahoogroups.com>, Joe
Croft <joe@...> wrote:

Hi,

Any chance of being able to have individual emails turned on?
Currently I can only ask for digest, none and some other which I don't
remember the name, but when I try to select individual emails, it says
I cannot do that for this list.

Also, it seems when I post a message to the new list it gets sent to

the

yahoo

list which then barfs it back because it doesn't recognize my gmail

address.

This is a bit of an anachronism as the Google group is currently set to

be

a remote archive of the Yahoo group. If I turn that feature off, you will

be

able to select "individual emails" but the Google group will no longer
automatically synchronise.

I can set you to "individual emails" after you've subscribed (just done

it

for you, Joe), but because I now allow posting to the Google group, it

seems

to lose the plot a bit...

Interestingly (and sadly), the Yahoo! spell-checker doesn't recognise
"Google". Petty, or what?

What do people want? Shall I turn off synchronisation (after all, the
Yahoo! group is now moribund...)

Cheers

Nick

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Yahoo! Groups Links

I'd respectfully suggest that AJ or another moderator make everything on the
Yahoo forum public so that anyone can access its information rich archive; I
can't imagine that there is anything on there that's very private that no
one else would want seen by the general public? Then, turn off the
synchronization making the Yahoo group a research library/museum...

-Ian

--- In NEONIXIE-L@..., Joe Croft <joe@...> wrote:

Hi,

Any chance of being able to have individual emails turned on?
Currently I can only ask for digest, none and some other which I don't
remember the name, but when I try to select individual emails, it says
I cannot do that for this list.

Also, it seems when I post a message to the new list it gets sent to the yahoo
list which then barfs it back because it doesn't recognize my gmail address.

This is a bit of an anachronism as the Google group is currently set to be a remote archive of the Yahoo group. If I turn that feature off, you will be able to select "individual emails" but the Google group will no longer automatically synchronise.

I can set you to "individual emails" after you've subscribed (just done it for you, Joe), but because I now allow posting to the Google group, it seems to lose the plot a bit...

Interestingly (and sadly), the Yahoo! spell-checker doesn't recognise "Google". Petty, or what?

What do people want? Shall I turn off synchronisation (after all, the Yahoo! group is now moribund...)

Cheers

Nick

Nick,
I tried to join the google group but when I sign in I get a redirect
that doesn't seem to end. Has there been a problem?
Bill S

Hi,

Any chance of being able to have individual emails turned on?
Currently I can only ask for digest, none and some other which I don't
remember the name, but when I try to select individual emails, it says
I cannot do that for this list.

Also, it seems when I post a message to the new list it gets sent to the yahoo
list which then barfs it back because it doesn't recognize my gmail address.

Thanks,
-joe

Joe Croft <joe@...> wrote:

I always was a little rat. Just ask my sibblings!

See yall on the flip side.

-joe

Yeah,

I also just joined the google group:



When I logged in, this morning (in Los Angeles, same time zone as Yahoo), I noticed they switched back to the old format. I suspect that they got flooded by a mass of angry responses. An internet version of the angry mob:




I guess every generation of 'script kiddies' has to learn this lesson. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Innovation is great, but have the people come to you, don't force it upon them.

Google seems (cross my fingers) to know this, and has kept their main page very simple for all these years. They don't fill it full of crap, with ads all over the place from advertisers, that have fancy 100MB ads that are fed from an old '386 server, at 2 bits/minute, and it won't let you do anything until the ad is fully uploaded.

Yahoo is doomed, and I ain't crying.

I have just jumped this NeoTitanic too..

Dan

Hi All,

Sorry for any confusion I may have caused--if you want to migrate to the Google group, please join:



I deleted the Google group I created last night as our group will clearly be better served by the one linked to above.

-Ian

I always was a little rat. Just ask my sibblings!

See yall on the flip side.

-joe

THE DAVESTER HAS GONE OVER TO THERE ......SEE YOU ALL ON THE OTHER SIDE!!! WESTDAVE