Re: testing non-50 ohm filters was Re: [nanovna-users] NanoVNA port renormalization
Hi
it seems to me that for a linear or quasi-linear circuit without active elements, it should be correctly compensated by single precision floating point calculation using the Z renormalization
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Team-SIM SIM-Mode
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testing non-50 ohm filters was Re: [nanovna-users] NanoVNA port renormalization
Since most filters are a series of resonators of some kind or another, terminating them in a resistance other than the design resistance will probably change the filter characteristics. Consider a
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Jim Lux
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Re: NanoVNA port renormalization
Here is an article on ceramic filters by a popular manufacturer Murata.
https://www.changpuak.ch/electronics/ceramic_filters/Murata_piezo_filters.pdf
Attached is an excerpt showing the importance of
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Roger Need
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Re: NanoVNA port renormalization
Hi John and gang,
I decided to keep things relatively simple and just used my signal generator with matching transformer to feed the ceramic filter and then compared response using either a 56 ohm
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Donald Kirk
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Re: NanoVNA port renormalization
Hi Mike,
Insertion loss and bandwidth measurements nearly identical between the l pad matching system versus using transformers which thankfully is what should have happened. The transformers which
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Donald Kirk
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Re: NanoVNA port renormalization
Hi Don,
Missed it. How to the response curves compare?
Mike N2MS
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Mike N2MS
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Re: NanoVNA port renormalization
Hi Mike,
Not sure you saw my most recent post as I switched to transforms earlier today to improve my dynamic range and posted pictures of the results.
Don
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Donald Kirk
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Re: NanoVNA port renormalization
Don,
I use construct resistive minimum loss attenuators for this application but keep in mind the attenuation decreases the dynamic range of the measurement.
Mike N2MS
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Mike N2MS
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Re: NanoVNA port renormalization
Sorry, here are the attachments per my previous post.
Don
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Donald Kirk
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Re: NanoVNA port renormalization
Hi John,
As Nizar mentioned renormalization is not available on my NanoVNA which is the NanoVNA-F. This morning I decided to improve my measurement dynamic range so I replaced my L pad matching
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Donald Kirk
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Re: NanoVNA port renormalization
Don,
I didn't do that for this test, but at some point in the past I did all that. I had unknown crystal filters and used the NanoVNA renormalization to find the Z that gave the best looking
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John Gord
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Re: NanoVNA port renormalization
Hi Donald
I think what you have done physically with your Deeplec Nano-F is almost what is done by jhon but with H4 and z port renormalisation and physically cute & short connection with optimised
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Team-SIM SIM-Mode
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Re: NanoVNA port renormalization
Hi John,
I'm a little late to the party but this topic peaked my interest and my thinking is very much aligned with Rogers. I think the one comparison test you are missing is what filter response
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Donald Kirk
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Re: NanoVNA-H4
To measure insertion loss, you connect the channel 1 to the common port of the diplexor and channel 2 to one of the output ports while terminating the unused port with a 50 Ohm load. Move channel 2 to
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Gary W9TD
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Re: NanoVNA-H4
Hi Joe
You seems need an S21 Logmag measurement , Knowing that dynamic range of H4 on the UHF are limited to 50db you should not expect more then -45db values for the isolation measurements between
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Team-SIM SIM-Mode
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NanoVNA-H4
I have a NanoVNA-H4,
I have no problems checking antenna SWR etc.
But what I want to do now is to check the performance of a "Diplexor"
You know one of these things that splits/combines a 2 meter
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Joe WB9SBD
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a little confusion in vision between 0 and 8 on the display
Hi
May be not a very objective vision, it seems to mee that there is a little confusion in vision between 0 and 8 on the display, with SEESII H4 + DiSlord 1.2.40 , I prefer a simple 0 graphic
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Team-SIM SIM-Mode
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Re: NanoVNA port renormalization
Hi PY2CSH
For me per example , I prefer set Z port 1 to 75 Ohm virtually and keep Z port 2 to 50 Ohm as it's physically , so it can be very handy option for who need it .
73's Nizar
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Team-SIM SIM-Mode
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Re: NanoVNA port renormalization
? ... I personally don't see the need to have different Z for the input and output of a DUT. ... ?
How about a matching network, say matching 50 to 20 ohms?
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PY2CSH
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Re: NanoVNA port renormalization
Roger,
You are correct. There is no added matching circuitry. It's all math. The physical connections are the same for both plots.
--John
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John Gord
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