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Starting trouble for NanoVNA!
I am a new NanoVNA user. Mine is an H v3.6. No firmware updates have been done. I have been using it only for a few days. Sometimes, on sliding the switch on, the screen is blank, but the blue LED is
By Jon · #39500 ·
Re: NanoVNA App - Installation and Use #applications
Many thanks ddemos1963 for sharing your success in making NanoVNA App works with Wine in Linux. I also use only Linux. In Wine I ran NanoVNA-App-Setup-V1.1.209-0D18.exe and the installation went
By Pascal F6FJF · #39499 ·
Re: testing non-50 ohm filters was Re: [nanovna-users] NanoVNA port renormalization
Nizar, With only S11 and S21 measured, the renormalization depends on the symmetry of the device measured. Most passive linear devices have S21=S12. (Isolators are an exception.) Many filters have
By John Gord · #39498 ·
Re: testing non-50 ohm filters was Re: [nanovna-users] NanoVNA port renormalization
Don, attached are the specs I have for your filter. Note that the G.D.T. entry is blank. GDT means group delay time and this filter has no spec. Murata made many special types for FM IFs where group
By Brian Beezley · #39497 ·
Re: testing non-50 ohm filters was Re: [nanovna-users] NanoVNA port renormalization
Thanks for the test, Don. I have dozens of Murata 10.7 MHz filters from 110 to 280 kHz bandwidth. Some show little difference when reversed, but most do. Incidentally, it is probably the difference in
By Brian Beezley · #39496 ·
Re: testing non-50 ohm filters was Re: [nanovna-users] NanoVNA port renormalization
Hi Brian and Nizar, As a reference I went and tested my 10.7 MHz ceramic filter connected in both directions and see very little difference (part number SFE10.7MA5-A which is a Murata part number).
By Donald Kirk · #39495 ·
Re: a little confusion in vision between 0 and 8 on the display
Hi Still no reaction with this topic, Zero simple graphic displayed without strike should be more pleasant to read on the screen especially if you have some vision trouble to avoid confusion with
By Team-SIM SIM-Mode · #39494 ·
Re: testing non-50 ohm filters was Re: [nanovna-users] NanoVNA port renormalization
Hi Brian May be Jhon can reverse the same ceramic filter and get a comparative response with forward curve already succesfully published here , i expect to found almost the same response, indeed
By Team-SIM SIM-Mode · #39493 ·
Re: testing non-50 ohm filters was Re: [nanovna-users] NanoVNA port renormalization
The renormalization program is listed at the top of this page: http://ham-radio.com/k6sti/mu.htm See the bottom of the page for downloading instructions. I think the program works, but I don't have
By Brian Beezley · #39492 ·
Re: testing non-50 ohm filters was Re: [nanovna-users] NanoVNA port renormalization
I've observed that reversing just about any Murata 10.7 MHz ceramic filter alters the response and changes the measured distortion in an FM tuner. I believe this means that S11 differs from S22, or
By Brian Beezley · #39491 ·
Re: testing non-50 ohm filters was Re: [nanovna-users] NanoVNA port renormalization
Hi John, Thanks for running this comparison test. Looking at all 3 of your plots the renormalization routine did an amazing job compared with no renormalization in which no series resistors were
By Donald Kirk · #39490 ·
Re: testing non-50 ohm filters was Re: [nanovna-users] NanoVNA port renormalization
Jim, It renormalization doesn't change the Q in the measured test circuit, but it can compute what the Q would be at the new impedance. The S parameters are a complete description of a linear 2-port,
By John Gord · #39489 ·
Re: testing non-50 ohm filters was Re: [nanovna-users] NanoVNA port renormalization
But renormalization just changes the calculation for the S parameters. It doesn't fix the change in Q.
By Jim Lux · #39488 ·
Re: testing non-50 ohm filters was Re: [nanovna-users] NanoVNA port renormalization
Nizar, I put series 390 ohm resistors on both port 0 and port 1, creating a 440 ohm environment for the filter, close to the 430 ohm renormalization I showed before (see message 39460). I then
By John Gord · #39487 ·
Re: testing non-50 ohm filters was Re: [nanovna-users] NanoVNA port renormalization
Jim, Of course the change in termination impedance changes the filter response. The point of the renormalization is that the response can be recalculated to show what it would be at the different
By John Gord · #39486 ·
Re: testing non-50 ohm filters was Re: [nanovna-users] NanoVNA port renormalization
Hi it seems to me that for a linear or quasi-linear circuit without active elements, it should be correctly compensated by single precision floating point calculation using the Z renormalization
By Team-SIM SIM-Mode · #39485 ·
testing non-50 ohm filters was Re: [nanovna-users] NanoVNA port renormalization
Since most filters are a series of resonators of some kind or another, terminating them in a resistance other than the design resistance will probably change the filter characteristics. Consider a
By Jim Lux · #39484 ·
Re: NanoVNA port renormalization
Here is an article on ceramic filters by a popular manufacturer Murata. https://www.changpuak.ch/electronics/ceramic_filters/Murata_piezo_filters.pdf Attached is an excerpt showing the importance of
By Roger Need · #39483 ·
Re: NanoVNA port renormalization
Hi John and gang, I decided to keep things relatively simple and just used my signal generator with matching transformer to feed the ceramic filter and then compared response using either a 56 ohm
By Donald Kirk · #39482 ·
Re: NanoVNA port renormalization
Hi Mike, Insertion loss and bandwidth measurements nearly identical between the l pad matching system versus using transformers which thankfully is what should have happened. The transformers which
By Donald Kirk · #39481 ·