Re: Dummy Antenna and FM Alignment
What I would do is use a NanoVNA to measure the impedance over 88-108 MHz right at the connector that plugs into the radio. Average the measurements for several cars. Then design a network that
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Brian Beezley
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Re: Dummy Antenna and FM Alignment
The high-Z coaxial cable is more for the AM portion of the radio. On AM
frequencies, especially the European version, the "stinger" antenna is
nothing but a capacitive probe. Consequently, it
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W0LEV
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Dummy Antenna and FM Alignment
Hey everyone,
True beginner in RF here for a classic alignment question. Sorry if this is inappropriate or the wrong group, I'm not sure where to ask such question. I suppose the NanoVNA would be a
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AArnaud
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Re: NANO VNA H4 , Implausible measurement results?
If you used this BNC to Banana adapter, you are adding about 2 pF or so of shunt capacitance across the feed point of your test dipole. At 500 MHz for example, this is about Xc = 159 ohms. This
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WB2UAQ
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Re: Measurement correction for Zc Coax caracteristic Impedance
This is the part of LF model that don¡¯t work basically because is the wrong frequency region¡
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Patricio Greco
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Re: Measurement correction for Zc Coax caracteristic Impedance
Hi Patricio
Thanks for clarification , I do not understand this graphic zone circled on red color below
73's Nizar
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Team-SIM SIM-Mode
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Re: Measurement correction for Zc Coax caracteristic Impedance
This chart shows the typical behaviour of a loosy coaxial cable over frequency. Basically there are two models , the low frequency model in this case the dielectric loose are very small then G tends
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Patricio Greco
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Re: Measurement correction for Zc Coax caracteristic Impedance
Hi
With same coax, same method, same NanoVNA H4 (1.2.40 DiSlord) surprisingly i have some different Zc values for 50Mhz & 100Mhz
50Mhz ---> Zc = 49.0 Ohm
100Mhz ---> Zc = 43.5 Ohm
73's Nizar
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Team-SIM SIM-Mode
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Re: Measurement correction for Zc Coax caracteristic Impedance
Hi Patricio
I do not understand this chart, can you explaine it more pse.
73's Nizar
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Team-SIM SIM-Mode
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Re: Measurement correction for Zc Coax caracteristic Impedance
Oops! I should have R >> jwL, not R >> jwC. My error.
73,
Maynard
W6PAP
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Maynard Wright, P. E., W6PAP
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Re: Measurement correction for Zc Coax caracteristic Impedance
An interesting chart. Note that below about 300 kHz, the imaginary component of the characteristic impedance can no longer be ignored and, if you are working on any cables at voice frequencies or
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Maynard Wright, P. E., W6PAP
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Re: Measurement correction for Zc Coax caracteristic Impedance
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Patricio Greco
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Re: Measurement correction for Zc Coax caracteristic Impedance
Hi Jim Lux
"L , C & R exhibit some frequency-dependent variation; they do not have a perfectly flat response across frequency. This behavior depends on the dielectric material used, skin effect
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Team-SIM SIM-Mode
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Re: Measurement correction for Zc Coax caracteristic Impedance
Not unexpected
Zc is sqrt( (R+jomegaL)/(G+jomegaC))
Mostly determined by L/C, but the R is in there too, and it goes up as frequency goes up, because of skin effect. For HF the dielectric loss (G) is
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Jim Lux
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Re: Measurement correction for Zc Coax caracteristic Impedance
Interesting , the Zo uses to rise a little when the frequency goes down.
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Patricio Greco
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Re: Measurement correction for Zc Coax caracteristic Impedance
Hi
for same RG213 cable (25m length) loaded by a 50.3 Ohm resistor
I used the same circle methode centered on smith graph with the renormalized Z0 impedance ( option added by DiSlord) for
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Team-SIM SIM-Mode
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Re: Measurement correction for Zc Coax caracteristic Impedance
Hi Dave
DiSlord coax function seems using Zc = 1/(4*fr*C0) ,
fr= is the first resonance frequency with open terminaison it's around 1.7Mhz measured by NANoVNA.
C0 = capacitance value at lower
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Team-SIM SIM-Mode
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Re: Measurement correction for Zc Coax caracteristic Impedance
I wonder how the "short / open" method compares using Zc = SQRT [L / C] ?
Of course, that will introduce losses due to theoretical infinite SWR.
Dave - W?LEV
[email protected]> wrote:
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W0LEV
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Re: Measurement correction for Zc Coax caracteristic Impedance
Hi
I think that this method of small circles centered with the renormalized impedance at the center of the Smith graph, must bring two advantages compared to that used by the DiSlord method:
1) we
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Team-SIM SIM-Mode
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Re: Measurement correction for Zc Coax caracteristic Impedance
Hi
below what i have measured on smith graph with my 25m length of RG213 coax cable with a NanoVNA H4
With Dislord function and no terminaison : it gives Z0=51.7 Ohm , it do not change with
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Team-SIM SIM-Mode
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