Some very important observations in previous responses:
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1 - to phase match, you don't need any particular value, just to make them the same for two cables 2 - at your target frequency, 5 degrees is about 1/10 of an inch, a very exacting measurement over 20 feet of cable: just stress in the cable or connector issues could easily change its electrical length by that much. And the velocity factor variability in the cables could readily introduce that much uncertainty. 3 - you do want to leave the far end of the cable open when using the nanovna for measurements Another important measurement issue: The nanovna 'tdr' measurements can't measure within 0.1 inch at 20 feet. This is because it is not a true TDR - it uses frequency scanning at discrete frequency points, then an FFT to compute the corresponding length. The 'bin' size of the FFT depends on the size of the frequency scan steps (with an inverse relationship). In TDR mode you can see this as you move the cursor across the display. The 'length' measurement will be in steps of so many mm or cm. That is the finest granularity that the TDR can do for the given frequency range. You can make it more accurate by expanding the frequency span - but only to a point One way to deal with this in your situation is to measure one cable, trimming it by about 1/10 inch at a time just until the nanovna measurement pops from one 'bin' to the next - meaning you are measuring at the edge of that bin. Then do the same with the other cable, and you should be very close. (Assuming there are not significant velocity factor differences in the two lengths of cable). Another perhaps better way is to not use the TDR mode, but (if your firmware has it) the Measure / Cable function. Leave the cable open at the end. Set the top frequency of the vna such that the smith chart trace is just over a half-circle. Then note the length of the cable shown. Trim the other cable to show that same length. You can ignore the velocity factor and whether or not the length is correct to measured length, since you only need them to match electrically. This method is usually more accurate, because it measures the quarter-wavelength resonance of the cable by finding the phase crossing, using excellent interpolation between measured frequency points. Good luck. Stan On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 11:00 AM Jim Lux <jimlux@...> wrote:
On 11/15/22 10:56 AM, dalerheaume via groups.io wrote:Sorry...S11 delay. Cable terminated at one end only to allow fortrimming. |