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My lib files cant be removed while using Symbol Library Editor


Jay Kobelin
 

Here is what I put out I guess in the wrong area? .. its kinda convoluted as I am fatigued

"I give up,,,,,I had all working just fine and I wanted to create a new part....great....but then things got really out of hand...and I do not get it. I created 2 or 3 libraries...but i could not seem to find the footprint ( .mod file) from vendor wherever it was suppose to go....so, after doing part 7 of the help manual over and over again with no luck... every time I wanted ti create that new part, the create part editor kept calling those failed libraries I don't want anymore....So I delete all of Kicad thinking ..OK, I will finally get track to ground zero...but no, KiCAD kept looking for the libraries I don't want. I can't delete them.I guess, make a fatal error of deleting the .lib files for those parts...so the creation of a new part gets to be a real nuisance as it always stops and say "Hey look we cant find any aliases...etc" Boy....unreal. Now I have no idea about these shared files but right now, they are still in there and useless. I have uninstalled/reinstalled 3 times and each time I do it, KiCAD screams at me as I try to create something that the aliases for those 3 libraries are missing\. I can click past that but good lord, how the heck does one get rid of those lib files I created. I have searched across the drive after an uninstall with wild cards and deleted everything tied to KiCAD and the project name... and I get the message KiCAD completely uninstalled or is it????...well, I have no idea what to do with this error every time I try to create a new symbol....odd how I can't delete something I created.....extremely frustrating....and as a new comer, the folder structure would be a lot better with a power point showing default paths, showing what in the world is happening and where is it going ...5 hours down the drain\. Funny my Orcad suite before they sold out was the same way...file management needs to be shown not only in words but pictorially...KiCAD with 3D viewer and the Freecad plug in was fine..got it all working but something went nuts AND I AM sure it was me. The Help manual doesn't line up with the latest version but its close. If there is a flow chart and program interactions shown in the chart for the default install, that would be great...it would certainly help. It only needs to be done regarding file management and the generation or placing of files.??

Sorry for the venting but after 5 hours, I am just fatigued as it approaches 3:45 AM here in Texas.

So here is the takeaway..(1) why can't I reinstall? KICAD and have it behave as if I never had it,...this is the oddest thing since the uninstall says completely removed....obviously I don't get....or (2) how does one delete the dopey lib files I created when using the symbol library editor. They just never go away,

Recommendation to the writers regarding file management.....the? manuals appear to be a great effort but when generating or placing files for the program to run, a flow diagram w/program interaction is really needed"

Thanks for any assistance

Jay

Jkobelin at gmail dot com


Jay Kobelin
 

Here is the message and the lib I want to delete..,.along with 2 others, can't get rid of it
Jay



On Thursday, December 27, 2018, 3:52:24 AM CST, Jay Kobelin pcb4u@... [kicad-users] wrote:


?

Here is what I put out I guess in the wrong area? .. its kinda convoluted as I am fatigued

"I give up,,,,,I had all working just fine and I wanted to create a new part....great....but then things got really out of hand...and I do not get it. I created 2 or 3 libraries...but i could not seem to find the footprint ( .mod file) from vendor wherever it was suppose to go....so, after doing part 7 of the help manual over and over again with no luck... every time I wanted ti create that new part, the create part editor kept calling those failed libraries I don't want anymore....So I delete all of Kicad thinking ..OK, I will finally get track to ground zero...but no, KiCAD kept looking for the libraries I don't want. I can't delete them.I guess, make a fatal error of deleting the .lib files for those parts...so the creation of a new part gets to be a real nuisance as it always stops and say "Hey look we cant find any aliases...etc" Boy....unreal. Now I have no idea about these shared files but right now, they are still in there and useless. I have uninstalled/reinstalled 3 times and each time I do it, KiCAD screams at me as I try to create something that the aliases for those 3 libraries are missing\. I can click past that but good lord, how the heck does one get rid of those lib files I created. I have searched across the drive after an uninstall with wild cards and deleted everything tied to KiCAD and the project name... and I get the message KiCAD completely uninstalled or is it????...well, I have no idea what to do with this error every time I try to create a new symbol....odd how I can't delete something I created.....extremely frustrating....and as a new comer, the folder structure would be a lot better with a power point showing default paths, showing what in the world is happening and where is it going ...5 hours down the drain\. Funny my Orcad suite before they sold out was the same way...file management needs to be shown not only in words but pic! torially...KiCAD with 3D viewer and the Freecad plug in was fine..got it all working but something went nuts AND I AM sure it was me. The Help manual doesn't line up with the latest version but its close. If there is a flow chart and program interactions shown in the chart for the default install, that would be great...it would certainly help. It only needs to be done regarding file management and the generation or placing of files.??

Sorry for the venting but after 5 hours, I am just fatigued as it approaches 3:45 AM here in Texas.

So here is the takeaway..(1) why can't I reinstall? KICAD and have it behave as if I never had it,...this is the oddest thing since the uninstall says completely removed....obviously I don't get....or (2) how does one delete the dopey lib files I created when using the symbol library editor. They just never go away,

Recommendation to the writers regarding file management.....the? manuals appear to be a great effort but when generating or placing files for the program to run, a flow diagram w/program interaction is really needed"

Thanks for any assistance

Jay

Jkobelin at gmail dot com


Andy Eskelson
 

If you managed to create the libs then fine. Check via the shell and see
if there is any text in the various library files. The modules are built
using simple text commands, so are easy enough to see.

You have to tell kicad where to look for libs
pcbnew > preferences > footprint library manager

As I don't want ANY kicad libs at all, I deleted all the kicad
libs (the github ones) and added my own local libs.

If you create new additional libs then you have to add there here
afterwards.

Once added kicad should then find them. (That used to require a reload of
kicad, but I don't think the newer versions need this)

After that the editing of mod files follows the normal methods that
kicad has used for ages. Find the module to work on, edit and save,
remembering to set the working library to whatever you need first.

The same applies to deleting modules, you need to set the working lib
first, and things should work.


Andy








On Thu, 27 Dec 2018 09:51:56 +0000 (UTC)
"Jay Kobelin pcb4u@... [kicad-users]" <kicad-users@...>
wrote:

Here is what I put out I guess in the wrong area? .. its kinda convoluted as I am fatigued
"I give up,,,,,I had all working just fine and I wanted to create a new part....great....but then things got really out of hand...and I do not get it. I created 2 or 3 libraries...but i could not seem to find the footprint ( ..mod file) from vendor wherever it was suppose to go....so, after doing part 7 of the help manual over and over again with no luck... every time I wanted ti create that new part, the create part editor kept calling those failed libraries I don't want anymore....So I delete all of Kicad thinking ..OK, I will finally get track to ground zero...but no, KiCAD kept looking for the libraries I don't want. I can't delete them.I guess, make a fatal error of deleting the .lib files for those parts...so the creation of a new part gets to be a real nuisance as it always stops and say "Hey look we cant find any aliases...etc" Boy....unreal. Now I have no idea about these shared files but right now, they are still in there and useless. I have uninstalled/reinstalled 3 times and each time I do it, KiCAD screams at me as I try to create something that the aliases for those 3 libraries are missing&#92;. I can click past that but good lord, how the heck does one get rid of those lib files I created. I have searched across the drive after an uninstall with wild cards and deleted everything tied to KiCAD and the project name... and I get the message KiCAD completely uninstalled or is it????...well, I have no idea what to do with this error every time I try to create a new symbol....odd how I can't delete something I created.....extremely frustrating.....and as a new comer, the folder structure would be a lot better with a power point showing default paths, showing what in the world is happening and where is it going ...5 hours down the drain&#92;. Funny my Orcad suite before they sold out was the same way...file management needs to be shown not only in words but pictorially...KiCAD with 3D viewer and the Freecad plug in was fine..got it all working but something went nuts AND I AM sure it was me. The Help manual doesn't line up with the latest version but its close. If there is a flow chart and program interactions shown in the chart for the default install, that would be great...it would certainly help. It only needs to be done regarding file management and the generation or placing of files.??
Sorry for the venting but after 5 hours, I am just fatigued as it approaches 3:45 AM here in Texas.
So here is the takeaway..(1) why can't I reinstall? KICAD and have it behave as if I never had it,...this is the oddest thing since the uninstall says completely removed....obviously I don't get....or (2) how does one delete the dopey lib files I created when using the symbol library editor. They just never go away,
Recommendation to the writers regarding file management.....the? manuals appear to be a great effort but when generating or placing files for the program to run, a flow diagram w/program interaction is really needed"
Thanks for any assistance
Jay
Jkobelin at gmail dot com


 

Hi Jay,

In Kicad there is a difference between installed libraries and loaded libraries.

A library is installed when it is stored in some place in your local or remote hard disk. But it is ignored by Kicad unless it is loaded into a project.

Only loaded libraries are available for projects. A library can be global, i.e., available for all projects, or project specific, available only to a particular project.

If a library is loaded into a project but the library was removed from the hard disk, kicad will be still looking for it. You need to remove that library from the sym-lib-table for symbols or from the fp-lib-table for footprints. Use the Manage Symbol(footprint) Library enty for this purpose.

Regards,
Pedro.

El 27/12/18 a las 10:51, Jay Kobelin pcb4u@... [kicad-users] escribi¨®:
Here is what I put out I guess in the wrong area? .. its kinda convoluted as I am fatigued
"I give up,,,,,I had all working just fine and I wanted to create a new part....great....but then things got really out of hand...and I do not get it. I created 2 or 3 libraries...but i could not seem to find the footprint ( .mod file) from vendor wherever it was suppose to go....so, after doing part 7 of the help manual over and over again with no luck... every time I wanted ti create that new part, the create part editor kept calling those failed libraries I don't want anymore....So I delete all of Kicad thinking ..OK, I will finally get track to ground zero...but no, KiCAD kept looking for the libraries I don't want. I can't delete them.I guess, make a fatal error of deleting the .lib files for those parts...so the creation of a new part gets to be a real nuisance as it always stops and say "Hey look we cant find any aliases...etc" Boy....unreal. Now I have no idea about these shared files but right now, they are still in there and useless. I have uninstalled/reinstalled 3 times and each time I do it, KiCAD screams at me as I try to create something that the aliases for those 3 libraries are missing&#92;. I can click past that but good lord, how the heck does one get rid of those lib files I created. I have searched across the drive after an uninstall with wild cards and deleted everything tied to KiCAD and the project name... and I get the message KiCAD completely uninstalled or is it????...well, I have no idea what to do with this error every time I try to create a new symbol....odd how I can't delete something I created.....extremely frustrating....and as a new comer, the folder structure would be a lot better with a power point showing default paths, showing what in the world is happening and where is it going ...5 hours down the drain&#92;. Funny my Orcad suite before they sold out was the same way...file management needs to be shown not only in words but pictorially...KiCAD with 3D viewer and the Freecad plug in was fine..got it all working but something went nuts AND I AM sure it was me. The Help manual doesn't line up with the latest version but its close. If there is a flow chart and program interactions shown in the chart for the default install, that would be great...it would certainly help. It only needs to be done regarding file management and the generation or placing of files.
Sorry for the venting but after 5 hours, I am just fatigued as it approaches 3:45 AM here in Texas.
So here is the takeaway..(1) why can't I reinstall? KICAD and have it behave as if I never had it,...this is the oddest thing since the uninstall says completely removed....obviously I don't get....or (2) how does one delete the dopey lib files I created when using the symbol library editor. They just never go away,
Recommendation to the writers regarding file management.....the? manuals appear to be a great effort but when generating or placing files for the program to run, a flow diagram w/program interaction is really needed"
Thanks for any assistance
Jay
Jkobelin at gmail dot com


pcb4u
 

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Ok..things sorta going along. Created a library for new symbol. Placed symbal in global library mode. Finally able to load a footprint for new symbol. Now I have a symbol I created and it pops up ok in schematic. I edit for for footprint and see the name but when I double click on name nothing happens...I have all this stuff in the project folder. I see the mod file, the footprint finder sees it but nothing gets dropped into symbol. Running Win7 Pro 64 bit. Dont get it...
Jay



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy , an AT&T LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "Pedro Martin pkicad@... [kicad-users]" <kicad-users@...>
Date: 12/27/18 9:54 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: kicad-users@...
Subject: Re: [kicad-users] My lib files cant be removed while using Symbol Library Editor

?

Hi Jay,

In Kicad there is a difference between installed libraries and loaded
libraries.

A library is installed when it is stored in some place in your local or
remote hard disk. But it is ignored by Kicad unless it is loaded into a
project.

Only loaded libraries are available for projects. A library can be
global, i.e., available for all projects, or project specific, available
only to a particular project.

If a library is loaded into a project but the library was removed from
the hard disk, kicad will be still looking for it. You need to remove
that library from the sym-lib-table for symbols or from the fp-lib-table
for footprints. Use the Manage Symbol(footprint) Library enty for this
purpose.

Regards,
Pedro.

El 27/12/18 a las 10:51, Jay Kobelin pcb4u@... [kicad-users] escribi¨®:
> Here is what I put out I guess in the wrong area? .. its kinda
> convoluted as I am fatigued
>
> "I give up,,,,,I had all working just fine and I wanted to create a new
> part....great....but then things got really out of hand...and I do not
> get it. I created 2 or 3 libraries...but i could not seem to find the
> footprint ( .mod file) from vendor wherever it was suppose to go....so,
> after doing part 7 of the help manual over and over again with no
> luck... every time I wanted ti create that new part, the create part
> editor kept calling those failed libraries I don't want anymore.....So I
> delete all of Kicad thinking ..OK, I will finally get track to ground
> zero...but no, KiCAD kept looking for the libraries I don't want. I
> can't delete them.I guess, make a fatal error of deleting the .lib files
> for those parts...so the creation of a new part gets to be a real
> nuisance as it always stops and say "Hey look we cant find any
> aliases...etc" Boy....unreal. Now I have no idea about these shared
> files but right now, they are still in there and useless. I have
> uninstalled/reinstalled 3 times and each time I do it, KiCAD screams at
> me as I try to create something that the aliases for those 3 libraries
> are missing\. I can click past that but good lord, how the heck does one
> get rid of those lib files I created. I have searched across the drive
> after an uninstall with wild cards and deleted everything tied to KiCAD
> and the project name... and I get the message KiCAD completely
> uninstalled or is it????...well, I have no idea what to do with this
> error every time I try to create a new symbol....odd how I can't delete
> something I created.....extremely frustrating....and as a new comer, the
> folder structure would be a lot better with a power point showing
> default paths, showing what in the world is happening and where is it
> going ...5 hours down the drain\. Funny my Orcad suite before they sold
> out was the same way...file management needs to be shown not only in
> words but pictorially...KiCAD with 3D viewer and the Freecad plug in was
> fine..got it all working but something went nuts AND I AM sure it was
> me. The Help manual doesn't line up with the latest version but its
> close. If there is a flow chart and program interactions shown in the
> chart for the default install, that would be great...it would certainly
> help. It only needs to be done regarding file management and the
> generation or placing of files.
>
> Sorry for the venting but after 5 hours, I am just fatigued as it
> approaches 3:45 AM here in Texas.
>
> So here is the takeaway..(1) why can't I reinstall? KICAD and have it
> behave as if I never had it,...this is the oddest thing since the
> uninstall says completely removed....obviously I don't get....or (2) how
> does one delete the dopey lib files I created when using the symbol
> library editor. They just never go away,
>
> Recommendation to the writers regarding file management.....the? manuals
> appear to be a great effort but when generating or placing files for the
> program to run, a flow diagram w/program interaction is really needed"
>
> Thanks for any assistance
>
> Jay
>
> Jkobelin at gmail dot com
>
>


Jay Kobelin
 

Problem resolved...had to recreate the old model and save it in the active library....its an interesting climb up the moujntain
Jay

On Thursday, December 27, 2018, 1:30:43 PM CST, pcb4u pcb4u@... [kicad-users] wrote:


?

Ok..things sorta going along. Created a library for new symbol. Placed symbal in global library mode. Finally able to load a footprint for new symbol. Now I have a symbol I created and it pops up ok in schematic. I edit for for footprint and see the name but when I double click on name nothing happens...I have all this stuff in the project folder. I see the mod file, the footprint finder sees it but nothing gets dropped into symbol. Running Win7 Pro 64 bit. Dont get it...
Jay



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy , an AT&T LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "Pedro Martin pkicad@... [kicad-users]"
Date: 12/27/18 9:54 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: kicad-users@...
Subject: Re: [kicad-users] My lib files cant be removed while using Symbol Library Editor

?

Hi Jay,

In Kicad there is a difference between installed libraries and loaded
libraries.

A library is installed when it is stored in some place in your local or
remote hard disk. But it is ignored by Kicad unless it is loaded into a
project.

Only loaded libraries are available for projects. A library can be
global, i.e., available for all projects, or project specific, available
only to a particular project.

If a library is loaded into a project but the library was removed from
the hard disk, kicad will be still looking for it. You need to remove
that library from the sym-lib-table for symbols or from the fp-lib-table
for footprints. Use the Manage Symbol(footprint) Library enty for this
purpose.

Regards,
Pedro.

El 27/12/18 a las 10:51, Jay Kobelin pcb4u@... [kicad-users] escribi¨®:
> Here is what I put out I guess in the wrong area? .. its kinda
> convoluted as I am fatigued
>
> "I give up,,,,,I had all working just fine and I wanted to create a new
> part....great....but then things got really out of hand...and I do not
> get it. I created 2 or 3 libraries...but i could not seem to find the
> footprint ( .mod file) from vendor wherever it was suppose to go....so,
> after doing part 7 of the help manual over and over again with no
> luck... every time I wanted ti create that new part, the create part
> editor kept calling those failed libraries I don't want anymore.....So I
> delete all of Kicad thinking ..OK, I will finally get track to ground
> zero...but no, KiCAD kept looking for the libraries I don't want. I
> can't delete them.I guess, make a fatal error of deleting the .lib files
> for those parts...so the creation of a new part gets to be a real
> nuisance as it always stops and say "Hey look we cant find any
> aliases...etc" Boy....unreal. Now I have no idea about these shared
> files but right now, they are still in there and useless. I have
> uninstalled/reinstalled 3 times and each time I do it, KiCAD screams at
> me as I try to create something that the aliases for those 3 libraries
> are missing\. I can click past that but good lord, how the heck does one
> get rid of those lib files I created. I have searched across the drive
> after an uninstall with wild cards and deleted everything tied to KiCAD
> and the project name... and I get the message KiCAD completely
> uninstalled or is it????...well, I have no idea what to do with this
> error every time I try to create a new symbol....odd how I can't delete
> something I created.....extremely frustrating....and as a new comer, the
> folder structure would be a lot better with a power point showing
> default paths, showing what in the world is happening and where is it
> going ...5 hours down the drain\. Funny my Orcad suite before they sold
> out was the same way...file management needs to be shown not only in
> words but pictorially...KiCAD with 3D viewer and the Freecad plug in was
> fine..got it all working but something went nuts AND I AM sure it was
> me. The Help manual doesn't line up with the latest version but its
> close. If there is a flow chart and program interactions shown in the
> chart for the default install, that would be great...it would certainly
> help. It only needs to be done regarding file management and the
> generation or placing of files.
>
> Sorry for the venting but after 5 hours, I am just fatigued as it
> approaches 3:45 AM here in Texas.
>
> So here is the takeaway..(1) why can't I reinstall? KICAD and have it
> behave as if I never had it,...this is the oddest thing since the
> uninstall says completely removed....obviously I don't get....or (2) how
> does one delete the dopey lib files I created when using the symbol
> library editor. They just never go away,
>
> Recommendation to the writers regarding file management.....the? manuals
> appear to be a great effort but when generating or placing files for the
> program to run, a flow diagram w/program interaction is really needed"
>
> Thanks for any assistance
>
> Jay
>
> Jkobelin at gmail dot com
>
>


Jay Kobelin
 

...and now understand that lib is the? symbol and has its own manager and mod is the footprint and has its manager.....DUH.... LOL
Jay


On Thursday, December 27, 2018, 3:24:12 PM CST, Jay Kobelin pcb4u@... [kicad-users] wrote:


?

Problem resolved...had to recreate the old model and save it in the active library....its an interesting climb up the moujntain
Jay

On Thursday, December 27, 2018, 1:30:43 PM CST, pcb4u pcb4u@... [kicad-users] wrote:


?

Ok..things sorta going along. Created a library for new symbol. Placed symbal in global library mode. Finally able to load a footprint for new symbol. Now I have a symbol I created and it pops up ok in schematic. I edit for for footprint and see the name but when I double click on name nothing happens...I have all this stuff in the project folder. I see the mod file, the footprint finder sees it but nothing gets dropped into symbol. Running Win7 Pro 64 bit. Dont get it...
Jay



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy , an AT&T LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "Pedro Martin pkicad@... [kicad-users]"
Date: 12/27/18 9:54 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: kicad-users@...
Subject: Re: [kicad-users] My lib files cant be removed while using Symbol Library Editor

?

Hi Jay,

In Kicad there is a difference between installed libraries and loaded
libraries.

A library is installed when it is stored in some place in your local or
remote hard disk. But it is ignored by Kicad unless it is loaded into a
project.

Only loaded libraries are available for projects. A library can be
global, i.e., available for all projects, or project specific, available
only to a particular project.

If a library is loaded into a project but the library was removed from
the hard disk, kicad will be still looking for it. You need to remove
that library from the sym-lib-table for symbols or from the fp-lib-table
for footprints. Use the Manage Symbol(footprint) Library enty for this
purpose.

Regards,
Pedro.

El 27/12/18 a las 10:51, Jay Kobelin pcb4u@... [kicad-users] escribi¨®:
> Here is what I put out I guess in the wrong area? .. its kinda
> convoluted as I am fatigued
>
> "I give up,,,,,I had all working just fine and I wanted to create a new
> part....great....but then things got really out of hand...and I do not
> get it. I created 2 or 3 libraries...but i could not seem to find the
> footprint ( .mod file) from vendor wherever it was suppose to go....so,
> after doing part 7 of the help manual over and over again with no
> luck... every time I wanted ti create that new part, the create part
> editor kept calling those failed libraries I don't want anymore.....So I
> delete all of Kicad thinking ..OK, I will finally get track to ground
> zero...but no, KiCAD kept looking for the libraries I don't want. I
> can't delete them.I guess, make a fatal error of deleting the .lib files
> for those parts...so the creation of a new part gets to be a real
> nuisance as it always stops and say "Hey look we cant find any
> aliases...etc" Boy....unreal. Now I have no idea about these shared
> files but right now, they are still in there and useless. I have
> uninstalled/reinstalled 3 times and each time I do it, KiCAD screams at
> me as I try to create something that the aliases for those 3 libraries
> are missing\. I can click past that but good lord, how the heck does one
> get rid of those lib files I created. I have searched across the drive
> after an uninstall with wild cards and deleted everything tied to KiCAD
> and the project name... and I get the message KiCAD completely
> uninstalled or is it????...well, I have no idea what to do with this
> error every time I try to create a new symbol....odd how I can't delete
> something I created.....extremely frustrating....and as a new comer, the
> folder structure would be a lot better with a power point showing
> default paths, showing what in the world is happening and where is it
> going ...5 hours down the drain\. Funny my Orcad suite before they sold
> out was the same way...file management needs to be shown not only in
> words but pictorially...KiCAD with 3D viewer and the Freecad plug in was
> fine..got it all working but something went nuts AND I AM sure it was
> me. The Help manual doesn't line up with the latest version but its
> close. If there is a flow chart and program interactions shown in the
> chart for the default install, that would be great...it would certainly
> help. It only needs to be done regarding file management and the
> generation or placing of files.
>
> Sorry for the venting but after 5 hours, I am just fatigued as it
> approaches 3:45 AM here in Texas.
>
> So here is the takeaway..(1) why can't I reinstall? KICAD and have it
> behave as if I never had it,...this is the oddest thing since the
> uninstall says completely removed....obviously I don't get....or (2) how
> does one delete the dopey lib files I created when using the symbol
> library editor. They just never go away,
>
> Recommendation to the writers regarding file management.....the? manuals
> appear to be a great effort but when generating or placing files for the
> program to run, a flow diagram w/program interaction is really needed"
>
> Thanks for any assistance
>
> Jay
>
> Jkobelin at gmail dot com
>
>