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This is a place for temp files, other than administrative files. Either they are to be added to the next release, added to the Documents or will have a short life span. Groups.io has free subscription storage limit of 1 GB! The following are counted towards the storage limits for the group: - Files - Photos - Images in databases - Images in wiki pages - Message attachments 1. Please put files into the correct folders. - If there is not an appropriate folder, feel free to create one. 2. If you are working on a problem and want to load info for others to look at, create a folder within the 'Problems Being Worked On' folder using the Msg number or you name as the folder name. When the problem is resolved please delete the folder. 3. All files and photos are subject to removal at the moderators discretion. Your Moderators -- Peter Ulvestad JMRI Users Group Moderator - http://www.jmri.org ( http://www.jmri.org ) Tam Valley Group Moderator - https://tamvalleydepot.com/ ( http://tamvalleydepot.com/ ) Sprog-DCC Group Moderator - http://www.sprog-dcc.co.uk/ ( http://www.sprog-dcc.co.uk/ ) Edmonton Model Railroad Association - http://www.emra.club/
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ADMIN: >>HOW TO ASK YOUR QUESTION<< - A general reminder for everyone
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====================== HOW to ask your question ====================== One of the most common questions about JMRI is "How do I get it to work?". This isn't really a problem with JMRI itself in most cases, but there are HUGE numbers of possible configurations for DCC systems, and Windows, Linux, and Mac computers out there. Just asking "How do I get it to work" is NOT going to get you any useful help. When asking ANY question, you should >>>utilize a meaningful subject line<<< that indicates the problem and include the following information in the body of the message: + If JMRI has started copy and paste the System Console into the body. (its under help on the start screen) + Has JMRI worked before on this computer? + JMRI version + Previous version if you just upgraded + Java version + Previous version if you just upgraded + Computer make and model + if you have just upgraded, from which version + Any other DCC devices in use + Specific details of your difficulty including error messages if any, or what you would like to do with JMRI. Decoder Programming, Signals, Automation, etc. Depending on the nature of the problem, you may need to supply even more information, but this is the absolute required for anyone to give you accurate answers. Signing you post helps keep the group friendly and personable! Your moderators and trouble shooters.
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Please use "meaningful subject lines" when starting topics
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Please use "meaningful subject lines" when starting topics. We are getting lots of subject lines that don't give much if any idea of what the topic is about. By providing a meaningful subject line you may get the attention of someone that can provide you assistance with your issue. It also give others the chance to skip the topic if it is not of interest to them. -- Peter Ulvestad JMRI Users Group Moderator - https://www.jmri.org ( http://www.jmri.org ) Tam Valley Group Moderator - https://tamvalleydepot.com/ ( http://tamvalleydepot.com/ ) Sprog-DCC Group Moderator - http://www.sprog-dcc.co.uk/ ( http://www.sprog-dcc.co.uk/ ) Edmonton Model Railroad Association - http://www.emra.club/
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ADMIN: PERMITTED TOPICS - A general reminder for everyone
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We would like to point out that this list is for discussions related to JMRI, and is intended to be a place that people, particularly beginners, can turn to for help with their JMRI problems from more experienced JMRI users. General DCC and model railroading topics should be taken to a more appropriate forum and NOT be posted here. SPAM of any kind, politics, legal issues, and other off-topic matters should NOT be posted to the list and will be subject to deletion by the moderators, as will any responses to such off-topic matters. New members still on moderated status will find that off-topic posts will not be approved for posting, and old members making such posts may find themselves back on moderated status. BUY / SELL and ADVERTISING is NOT PERMITTED Let's keep things simple for all of us, and keep the discussion here on-topic. Your moderators
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JMRI file structure clarifications
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All - Doing a little housecleaning and reorg of multiple computer instances of JMRI.. Due to not fully understanding the internal file structure, I'm looking for a little education to make sure I don't mess things up. Current configuration: - Main JMRI instance running on train room Windows computer connected to layout. User files are in JMRI folder on Dropbox. - Development JMRI instance running on a separate Windows computer in simulation mode. User files are in a separate JMRIDev folder on Dropbox Current workflow is to modify and test JMRI development instance in with user files in JMRIDev folder then move final changes to JMRI folder. I've spent some time reviewing info on JMRI website and have the following questions: Per the JMRI website "JMRI Profile Directory Tutorial", each instance of JMRI loaded on a separate computer generates a file called nodeIdentity.xml which contains a unique nodeIdentity string in the" Settings Location" that doesn't change. I found this file in the JMRI program directory of each computer with different nodeIdentity strings on each computer. For example, the file on the development computer contains the following: <nodeIdentityConfig><nodeIdentity nodeIdentity="jmri-E89C255E273F" /><storageIdentity storageIdentity="3f2eb549-261f-427c-91ae-bcdc75fc9064" /><uuid uuid="d6TSuJLhZj6jgTUnW-9jbJ" /><formerIdentities><nodeIdentity nodeIdentity="jmri-040E3C10335F" /><nodeIdentity nodeIdentity="jmri-d6TSuJLhZj6jgTUnW-9jbJ" /><nodeIdentity nodeIdentity="jmri-E89C255E273F" /><nodeIdentity nodeIdentity="jmri-0A002700000F" /><nodeIdentity nodeIdentity="jmri-0A002700000D" /><nodeIdentity nodeIdentity="3f2eb549-261f-427c-91ae-bcdc75fc9064" /></formerIdentities></nodeIdentityConfig> In the list of <formerIdentites> is a former node identity that equals the current <storageIdentity>. -- Is this a coincidence or does this match have significance? -- What's the difference between a <nodeidentity> and a <storageIdentity> -- Are the <formerIdentities> still relevant? In the JMRIDev user files folder on Dropbox, I found the profile subfolder which contains the profile.xml / profile.properties files AND a separate subfolder named the same as the <storageIdentity> listed in the nodeIdentity.xml file string above. Inside this separate subfolder, I found another copy of profile.xml and profile.properties along with a file named user-interface.xml. The timestamp on the first two files are the same as the ones in the profile parent directory . Now the confusion... -- Why are these files in both places? -- If I wanted to copy the updated profile files on the development computer to the Main layout computer, do I copy the files to both places (the profile subdirectory and the separate subfolder named the same as the <storageIdentity> listed in the nodeIdentity.xml on the Main layout computer? I understand the situation with other user files (the panel files rosters files...etc), but a little confused on how to copy the profiles. A little guidance would be appreciated. thx Norb Windows 11 PC, JMRI 5.10, java 17.0.11 (64bit) NCE SB5 system
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Layout Editor bug in Dark Mode
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Folks, I discovered an interesting bug when using "Dark Mode". I have attached the system console output when attempting to change the scaling of an icon using Panel Pro v5.11.5 with dark mode enabled. Using 5.11.5 with "classic windows" enabled, scaling works normally. Thanks, Tom Kane Purcellville, VA -- Tom Kane Purcellville, VA Modelling the PRR in 1954 'ish'
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MR SLAM Formatter version 3.01 is now available for download
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Unfortunately a couple of gremlins snuck into my code during the development of version 3.00. These caused some issues with the color of car lines and line wrapping within a cell when it wasn¡¯t necessary. I¡¯ve resolved those 2 issues in the 3.01 version. In addition I added a new feature requested by a user that allows the user to insert blank lines between types of car lines and loco and car lines to help in reading the report. Visit the website to download the new version. Tim
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Roster Missing
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Was using JMRI to program some locos when the computer suddenly decided to do some update. Closed JMRI and waited for the update conclusion. Then reloaded JMRI and discovered that the roster file was gone. Absolutely empty. Did a couple of reloads, same problem. I am hoping that the file is still in the computer, but the link to load it vanished. Is there a specific name for the roster file that I can reload if it is indeed there? Any suggestions or ideas greatly welcome. Roger Thomas Note: This is a club roster with over 300 locos.
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Does anyone know of any hardware that is currently for sale that could be used to control room lighting? All the supported hardware seems to be discontinued on Powerline website. Thank you, Bob
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Virtual sound setup
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Hi I hope this is an appropriate place to ask this question. I'm attempting to set up a two unit consist using a Loksound 5 and a Lokpilot 5 Basic and I'm running decoderpro. The problem is with the startup delay on the Lokpilot. The "delay starting if drive sound enabled" box on the Advanced screen has been ticked, same with the box on the Sound screen. I've created an entry for virtual sound in the function map and set it up on F8 and it appears in the throttle for the Lokpilot loco. I've set F8 to be accessible to the consist but so far I've not been able to get the delay to work. Do I need to specify the length of delay somewhere? I've read that this should be directly with a cv, 124 I think, but this is dedicated to other functions. Elsewhere I've read that 128 should be used for this but that is dedicated to Max Speed in AC mode. In the Lokpilot 5 Basic manual I am directed to cv252 but my interface for the Lokpilot 5 Basic in Decoderpro does not have a cv252. I'm clearly missing something here, can anyone help. Apologies if this is thought to be a query more suited to another forum eg for ESU decoders, but it seems to fall into a space between..... Thanks Ted
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Query from a Nimble Newbie, How many commands can one send at a time from an "if-then" Logix statement? E.g. IF sensor 'x' goes 'active' THEN....switch Signal '1' to danger, signal '2' to caution, signal 3 to 'clear', turn on coffee pot, etc... It seems to THEN part of the statement fires odd the commands so quickly that the NCE system misses some of the actions [somewhat randomly]. Not a wiring issue. Is there a way of slowing down, or at least separating out [even by milliseconds] the list of ACTIONS to occur upon a given antecedent? Nimble of Oz
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Hi folks- I¡¯ve been a group member for quite some time, but very inactive for almost as long¡at least a decade. I was installing some decoders the other day and ran into some hiccups and realized it was time to connect JMRI/Decoder Pro to my test track (layout under construction). I was planning to use my old iMac (from 2011 running OS 10.13.6) but it wouldn¡¯t start up¡so I just got a newer iMac just for the layout - 24¡± M1 from 2021. I just installed OS 15.4.1, DP 5.10. and Java from Azul (zulu11.80.21¡dmg). My test track uses a DCS50 (Zephyr) and Soundtraxx PTB-100 (booster). I¡¯ve also got the test track wired so that it is either the main or programming track (DPDT switch to select the output from the Zephyr). The Serial interface is a LocoBuffer-USB (v2.03). DP starts and appears to run OK, except that in trying to read from the decoder to set up a new loco I get timeouts (See first image). I¡¯ve tried each of the 6 different port options (second image) in both Programming Track and Programming on the main options - all with the same timeout. I thought the issue might be the LB-USB, but the green LEDs are on and on the DP window at the bottom it says LocoNet is online. I also tested the cable I¡¯m using to connect the LB-USB to the Zephyr and it is good. So I¡¯m stumped. Any thoughts on why the connection is timing out? -alex- Alex M. Postpischil Winston-Salem, NC
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Recently it became necessary to reinstall Java and JMRI. First, I checked that both programs were uninstalled. I then installed Java Version 8 Update 441 and JMRI Version 4.26+R381. Both were problem free installs. I then tried to start JMRI so I could load my roster. The Java icon and the DecoderPro icon appeared in the taskbar and the small JMRI splash screen appeared in the middle of my screen. That's as far as the startup got. I've listed my equipment below. What am I missing? I'd appreciate any help in getting started. -- Richard Richter Dell Lattude 3190 2-in-1 Laptop Computer Microsoft Windows 11 Pro RR-CirKits LocoBuffer-NG Rev-a Digitrax ZephyrXtra DCS 51 Command Station
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How do I hook up a bar code reader to JMRI
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I want to use a barcode reader to identify cars on my layout, but I can't find a way to read the code into JMRI. I've reviewed other bar code topics from this group in the past but none answered my question. One way I've tried is to use a Reporter. I'm using an iMac running macOS Monterey. When I connect the bar code reader to the USB port, I can see it in the Mac system report and in JMRI>PanelPro>Debug> USB devices. However, when I try to create the Reporter using 'others' as the system manufacturer and (Direct Drive (Serial) not available), the USB port does not show in the serial port drop down. I can't get past this problem. Another way I've tried is to use a Memory Variable. I can read the bar code into the value field if my cursor is in that field. But I don't known how to select that field without a cursor. I don't need to identify a port, as the bar code reader just acts like a keyboard, entering a 4-digit number and <enter>. I've never tried manipulating JMRI windows and am not sure how to activate a particular field in one. I'm creating Jython script to accept the bar code using the waitChange command (for the Reporter) and then process it. But as I said I'm stuck trying to get the bar code inside JMRI. The Reporter track is preferred, I think, since I will be using two bar code readers eventually and I can have two reporters attached to two different connection ports. I don't know how I would do this using a Memory Variable. Can someone help me out? Thanks, Nick
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I am a former Lenz user that just changed to Digitrax (changed RR club). I have the following: - win10 laptop - 5.10 decoderpro - AZUL ZULU JDK 17.56.15(17.0.14) 64 bit - DCS210+ USB connected on comm7 - Loconet server is running on port 1234 My issue is it starts reading decoder and returns error 306. Here is the system console info: 09:05:45,729 apps.util.Log4JUtil INFO - * JMRI log ** [main] 09:05:45,760 apps.util.Log4JUtil INFO - This log is stored in file: C:\Users\user\JMRI\log\session.log [main] 09:05:45,760 apps.util.Log4JUtil INFO - This log is appended to file: C:\Users\user\JMRI\log\messages.log [main] 09:05:45,823 apps.AppsBase INFO - DecoderPro version 5.10+Rca461bd266 starts under Java 17.0.14 on Windows 10 amd64 v10.0 at Thu May 01 09:05:45 CST 2025 [main] 09:05:46,072 apps.gui3.Apps3 INFO - Starting with profile My_JMRI_Railroad.3ed69ac3 [main] 09:05:46,291 jmri.util.node.NodeIdentity INFO - Using c0f73803-0a28-4143-a5d4-ce6ead45f1e7 as the JMRI storage identity for profile id 3ed69ac3 [AWT-EventQueue-0] 09:05:46,518 xml.AbstractSerialConnectionConfigXml INFO - Starting to connect for "LocoNet" [main] 09:05:46,747 t.usb_dcs210Plus.UsbDcs210PlusAdapter INFO - Connecting USB DCS210Plus via COM7 PCI Serial Port [main] 09:05:46,747 .loconet.locobuffer.LocoBufferAdapter INFO - LocoNet: Port Intel(R) Active Management Technology - SOL (COM7) opened at 57600 baud, sees DTR: true RTS: true DSR: true CTS: true DCD: true flow: RTSCTS [main] 09:05:46,762 x.loconet.pr3.PR3SystemConnectionMemo INFO - Connection [L] initialized as LocoNet interface, allows access to attached devices. (see preferences) [main] 09:05:46,897 jmri.jmrix.loconet.LnPacketizer INFO - lnPacketizer Started [main] 09:05:47,552 jmri.jmrit.roster.Roster INFO - Reading roster file with rootFromName(C:\Users\user\JMRI\My_JMRI_Railroad.jmri\roster.xml) [main] 09:06:04,755 ix.loconet.loconetovertcp.LnTcpServer INFO - Starting new LocoNetOverTcpServer listener on port 1234 [AWT-EventQueue-0] 09:06:04,758 ix.loconet.loconetovertcp.LnTcpServer INFO - Starting ZeroConfService _loconetovertcpserver._tcp.local for LocoNetOverTCP Server [AWT-EventQueue-0] 09:06:04,984 jmri.jmrit.withrottle.FacelessServer INFO - Published ZeroConf service for 'south sask railroad._withrottle._tcp.local.' on 192.168.0.28:12090 [WiThrottleServer] 09:06:04,986 jmri.jmrit.withrottle.FacelessServer INFO - Published ZeroConf service for 'south sask railroad._withrottle._tcp.local.' on fe80:0:0:0:e862:7f07:81ec:d531%wlan1:12090 [WiThrottleServer] 09:06:04,988 jmri.jmrit.withrottle.FacelessServer INFO - Published ZeroConf service for 'south sask railroad._withrottle._tcp.local.' on fe80:0:0:0:5414:27df:8a51:7473%net11:12090 [WiThrottleServer] 09:06:04,991 jmri.jmrit.withrottle.FacelessServer INFO - Published ZeroConf service for 'south sask railroad._withrottle._tcp.local.' on 10.0.6.125:12090 [WiThrottleServer] 09:06:04,994 jmri.jmrit.withrottle.FacelessServer INFO - Creating new WiThrottle DeviceServer(socket) on port 12090, waiting for incoming connection... [WiThrottleServer] 09:06:05,020 jmri.util.FileUtilSupport INFO - File path program: is C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI\ [main] 09:06:05,020 jmri.util.FileUtilSupport INFO - File path preference: is C:\Users\user\JMRI\My_JMRI_Railroad.jmri\ [main] 09:06:05,021 jmri.util.FileUtilSupport INFO - File path profile: is C:\Users\user\JMRI\My_JMRI_Railroad.jmri\ [main] 09:06:05,022 jmri.util.FileUtilSupport INFO - File path settings: is C:\Users\user\JMRI\ [main] 09:06:05,022 jmri.util.FileUtilSupport INFO - File path home: is C:\Users\user\ [main] 09:06:05,023 jmri.util.FileUtilSupport INFO - File path scripts: is C:\Program Files (x86)\JMRI\jython\ [main] 09:06:05,629 t.permission.DefaultPermissionManager INFO - Permission file: C:\Users\user\JMRI\.permissions.xml [main] 09:06:05,634 t.permission.DefaultPermissionManager INFO - Permission system is enabled: no [main] Here is the preferences screen shot: I searched older records and could not find relevant info. Any suggestions welcomed Thanks Greg King
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The following items have been added to the Files area of the [email protected] group. /ProblemsBeingWorkedOn/dsand/3way LogixNG.xml By: Dave Sand <ds@...> Description: LogixNG example to sequence the switch machines in a 3-way turnout to prevent physical conflicts.
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Peco 3 way points
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I'm new to JMRI, and have been charged with re-wiring a layout and making it work. I've managed to draw the layout in PanelPro and assign turnout numbers, and get crossovers working, but that is as far as I've got. There are about 6 peco 3 way turnouts, I've drawn each of them as 2 separate sequential turnouts, but they cannot work like that. They need special treatment, which is currently beyond me. The 2 pairs of point blades are very close together such that the blades need to be set to the mid straight route before being set left or right. Some are also parts of crossovers just to make things more interesting. What is the simplest way to do this ? Mike Johnson
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Good afternoon - My question pertains to the logic of printing Manifests during Operating Sessions. I've been following this group for a while now, and it has been very helpful, but I am perplexed about the idea of printing ALL train manifests for a op session ahead of time vs. printing the manifests for each train as the train is built and ready to move. JMRI OperationsPro does not actually terminate a train until all cars have been SO and/or PU'ed, and the train arrives at it's last destination. If Train A (a cross country road freight) stops at Location 2 (an I/C yard) to set out cars needed for Train B (a local) at say, 09:30; but Train B is timed to stop at Location 2 to pick up the cars SO by Train A at say 10:45, before Train A terminates at 12:15, how does JMRI handle the cars transferred from A to B?? Train B has a much shorter journey than Train A, Train B terminating at Location 5 at 11:15. Thus Train B terminates before Train A. How does that work? Does my question make sense? Thank you, Clarence
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I can't get jmri to pick up cars with my train. first time user. Java 17 version 5.1 Screen shots Craig Drenkow 1306 Parkview Dr. Norfolk, NE 68701 402-649-5498
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Xnet Message queue not being send to layout
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Hi there, I am experiencing an issue with JMRI, I am using the latest 5.10 production release. I experienced similar issue with the previous version. I am using a Lenz LVZ100 command station with a serial interface on a raspberry pi. Everything works as expected, but after a while, the queue for a DCC address stops being treated. I mainly run my trains through custom jython scripts. The only workaround I found is to restart JMRI. When this happens any JMRI tool is useless for a specific address (withrottle, jmri throttle, web throttle...), but that address can still be controlled with handheld command outside JMRI. I enabled trace log level and here is what I get. In this example address 2 is stuck while address 9 works fine at the same time. Not processing queue : 18:31:08,106 jmri.jmrix.lenz.XNetThrottle DEBUG - set Speed to: 0.09 Current step mode is: 28 SS [Speeder : TGV V150 (DCC 2)] 18:31:08,107 jmri.jmrix.lenz.XNetThrottle DEBUG - adding message to message queue [Speeder : TGV V150 (DCC 2)] 18:31:08,608 jmri.jmrix.lenz.XNetThrottle DEBUG - set Speed to: 0.0 Current step mode is: 28 SS [Speeder : TGV V150 (DCC 2)] 18:31:08,608 jmri.jmrix.lenz.XNetThrottle DEBUG - adding message to message queue [Speeder : TGV V150 (DCC 2)] Processing queue (same session) : 18:31:33,841 jmri.jmrix.lenz.XNetThrottle DEBUG - set Speed to: 0.03 Current step mode is: 28 SS [Speeder : TGV Poste (DCC 9)] 18:31:33,842 jmri.jmrix.lenz.XNetThrottle DEBUG - adding message to message queue [Speeder : TGV Poste (DCC 9)] 18:31:33,842 jmri.jmrix.lenz.XNetThrottle DEBUG - sending message to traffic controller [Speeder : TGV Poste (DCC 9)] 18:31:34,083 jmri.jmrix.lenz.XNetThrottle DEBUG - Throttle 9 - received message 01 04 05 [AWT-EventQueue-0] 18:31:34,085 jmri.jmrix.lenz.XNetThrottle DEBUG - Status Timer Stopped [AWT-EventQueue-0] 18:31:34,085 jmri.jmrix.lenz.XNetThrottle DEBUG - message queue empty [AWT-EventQueue-0] 18:31:34,343 jmri.jmrix.lenz.XNetThrottle DEBUG - set Speed to: 0.06 Current step mode is: 28 SS [Speeder : TGV Poste (DCC 9)] 18:31:34,343 jmri.jmrix.lenz.XNetThrottle DEBUG - adding message to message queue [Speeder : TGV Poste (DCC 9)] 18:31:34,343 jmri.jmrix.lenz.XNetThrottle DEBUG - sending message to traffic controller [Speeder : TGV Poste (DCC 9)] 18:31:34,626 jmri.jmrix.lenz.XNetThrottle DEBUG - Throttle 9 - received message 01 04 05 [AWT-EventQueue-0] 18:31:34,627 jmri.jmrix.lenz.XNetThrottle DEBUG - Status Timer Stopped [AWT-EventQueue-0] 18:31:34,627 jmri.jmrix.lenz.XNetThrottle DEBUG - message queue empty [AWT-EventQueue-0] Any ideas greatly appreciated. Adrien
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