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This is a place for temp files, other than administrative files. Either they are to be added to the next release, added to the Documents or will have a short life span. 开云体育 has free subscription storage limit of 1 GB! The following are counted towards the storage limits for the group: - Files - Photos - Images in databases - Images in wiki pages - Message attachments 1. Please put files into the correct folders. - If there is not an appropriate folder, feel free to create one. 2. If you are working on a problem and want to load info for others to look at, create a folder within the 'Problems Being Worked On' folder using the Msg number or you name as the folder name. When the problem is resolved please delete the folder. 3. All files and photos are subject to removal at the moderators discretion. Your Moderators -- Peter Ulvestad JMRI Users Group Moderator - http://www.jmri.org ( http://www.jmri.org ) Tam Valley Group Moderator - https://tamvalleydepot.com/ ( http://tamvalleydepot.com/ ) Sprog-DCC Group Moderator - http://www.sprog-dcc.co.uk/ ( http://www.sprog-dcc.co.uk/ ) Edmonton Model Railroad Association - http://www.emra.club/
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ADMIN: >>HOW TO ASK YOUR QUESTION<< - A general reminder for everyone
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====================== HOW to ask your question ====================== One of the most common questions about JMRI is "How do I get it to work?". This isn't really a problem with JMRI itself in most cases, but there are HUGE numbers of possible configurations for DCC systems, and Windows, Linux, and Mac computers out there. Just asking "How do I get it to work" is NOT going to get you any useful help. When asking ANY question, you should >>>utilize a meaningful subject line<<< that indicates the problem and include the following information in the body of the message: + If JMRI has started copy and paste the System Console into the body. (its under help on the start screen) + Has JMRI worked before on this computer? + JMRI version + Previous version if you just upgraded + Java version + Previous version if you just upgraded + Computer make and model + if you have just upgraded, from which version + Any other DCC devices in use + Specific details of your difficulty including error messages if any, or what you would like to do with JMRI. Decoder Programming, Signals, Automation, etc. Depending on the nature of the problem, you may need to supply even more information, but this is the absolute required for anyone to give you accurate answers. Signing you post helps keep the group friendly and personable! Your moderators and trouble shooters.
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Please use "meaningful subject lines" when starting topics
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Please use "meaningful subject lines" when starting topics. We are getting lots of subject lines that don't give much if any idea of what the topic is about. By providing a meaningful subject line you may get the attention of someone that can provide you assistance with your issue. It also give others the chance to skip the topic if it is not of interest to them. -- Peter Ulvestad JMRI Users Group Moderator - https://www.jmri.org ( http://www.jmri.org ) Tam Valley Group Moderator - https://tamvalleydepot.com/ ( http://tamvalleydepot.com/ ) Sprog-DCC Group Moderator - http://www.sprog-dcc.co.uk/ ( http://www.sprog-dcc.co.uk/ ) Edmonton Model Railroad Association - http://www.emra.club/
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ADMIN: PERMITTED TOPICS - A general reminder for everyone
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We would like to point out that this list is for discussions related to JMRI, and is intended to be a place that people, particularly beginners, can turn to for help with their JMRI problems from more experienced JMRI users. General DCC and model railroading topics should be taken to a more appropriate forum and NOT be posted here. SPAM of any kind, politics, legal issues, and other off-topic matters should NOT be posted to the list and will be subject to deletion by the moderators, as will any responses to such off-topic matters. New members still on moderated status will find that off-topic posts will not be approved for posting, and old members making such posts may find themselves back on moderated status. BUY / SELL and ADVERTISING is NOT PERMITTED Let's keep things simple for all of us, and keep the discussion here on-topic. Your moderators
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JMRI and LogicX driving Signals
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Wanting to drive a Signal based on a decision 'to set green / red' from a LogicX - already set a sensor 'light' on the screen and switch turnouts,, looking for guidance to then set a dwarf signal. unable to use turnout motor switches as there are two x three-way turnouts used. If there is a write up or Youtube I would appreciate in pointer, all i have seen so far are track sensor based and switched from a single turnout motor. Happy to answer any questions... thanks Randall
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Signal Controller Board Suggestions
I have JMRI LogicX working through a tree/ladder of turnout to set 'a road in a yard' to the 'Main' from a touch sensor on a Panel. Due to space, I am using two x three-way turnouts meaning I cannot use the turnout motor internal switches to switch leds on the Dward Signals on each road. On the screen, I have a 'sensor' light next to the Road when it is clear to the Main. All good so far and works fine. Looking now for an addressable signal controller board to receive a JMRI command to turn a 'dwarf' signal from 'red' to 'green' when the sensor on the panel is selected (when it sets the required road to main). The signal controller will connect to an AUX bus connected to, in this case, a NCE PowerPro Controller. What Signal Controller Boards are you using to take the command to change the LEDs from JMRI? happy to answer any clarifying questions! Thanks Randall
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JMRI & Engine Driver Issue
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Hi, Members 1.1k Edit Posted 1 hour ago One for the more learned amongst us to have a look at. I have the following set up : NCE Powercab, JMRI running on a Raspberry Pi via NCE USB using M Steve Todd's files, Panel Pro with a touchscreen panel to operate turnouts, turnout motors are DCC Supplies Cobalt Digital IP. The touchscreen panel works exactly as intended to control the turnouts. I would like the ability to use my phone to become a second throttle. With Wi-Throttle server running, I connected my phone to the WiFi network created by the Raspberry Pi, opened up the Engine Driver app & connected to the server. And here is where it goes wrong. Typing a loco address and then trying to move something , absolutely no response from the loco. If I try to operate a turnout motor via the accessory address , it works perfectly. The loco isn't stuck in consist mode as it works off the bat from the NCE handset using the same DCC address so as far as I know I'm not using the wrong address. On the Wi Throttle server screen I can see the phone throttle is connected and even the address of the locomotive I'm trying to control. The Track power is on. Can anyone give any pointers here? thanks in advance
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Difference Between Compare and Reset
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#decoderpro
All, Recently developed a problem with one of my older diesels, an N scale Bachmann with Econami factory installled. Def used is ECO-100 Diesel. Sound was fine, loco would not move. On the programming track, I loaded the loco's DecoderPro roster entry file and used the CVs tab to compare all values. No differences. Loco still not moving. Did a Reset. Loco now moves. Rewrote all CVs from the loco's roster entry file. Loco now will again not move. To emphasize, these settings have worked fine for years. Are there some settings somewhere that DecoderPro can not see or change, except by reset? Regards
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Train tracking, dealing with gaps
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I created a nice panel for the museum layout and created train tracking markers on it. It works well except for one show stopping thing. At one spot in the loop there is a detection gap between blocks that kills the tracking. The gap is only 1 or 2 seconds. Is there a workaround for this? Increasing train length is not an option. Installing a new detector is not likely either. George
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Experimental "Flatpak" distribution of JMRI
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A user has been interested in possibly distributing JMRI as a “FlatPak” for Linux. I don’t know much about that method, but apparently the distribution file also includes the JRE, so it’s (at least in theory) easier to install. As an experiment, you can find a 5.10 distribution in this form at https://github.com/JMRI/JMRI/releases/download/v5.10/jmri.5.10.flatpak For more on this, see JMRI/JMRI Issue 11658: https://github.com/JMRI/JMRI/issues/11658 Is anybody familiar enough with this distribution method to be able to try it? Is this something that we should do on an ongoing basis? Bob — Bob Jacobsen rgj1927@...
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Sensor Query wrong for Digitrax BDL716 in 5.11.4
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Version 5.11.4+ R87a9dadc80 (Java 17.0.13) The BDL168 is discontinued and replaced with BDL716 which I have two installed on LocoNet. Upon starting JMRI, if the sensor is high as indicated by the LT5C LED, JMRI shows UNKNOWN then INACTIVE when I QUERY (wrong) if the sensor is low as indicated by the LT5C LED, JMRI shows UNKNOWN then INACTIVE when I QUERY (correct) During use the sensors correctly show inactive and active so changed states work correctly. I don't recall this behavior using version 5.10 but I could be mistaken and I also added a second BDL716 at the same time I upgraded JMRI. The problem is JMRI doesn't "see" the trains sitting in the yard although the LT5C clearly shows high/active so I have to run the train out of the block and back in to initialize the sensor at the correct level. //stevemac
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How to delete a turnout with jython
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I can easily create turnouts, sensors and blocks but I can't delete them from their Panel Pro tables with jython. The only method I found while browsing the class structure was dispose() and that had no effect. So far I am only using the simple jython classes ( if I have the nomenclature correct) in statements like turnouts.newTurnout(...) . -- -Ralph
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Cannot start to read decoders
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Hi, I am running DecoderPro since many years without any Problem. I recently got another Laptop with win11Pro preinstalled - Version 24H2. After installation DecoderPro ask me to get started by checking in with a new Loco placed on the programming track. It comes back with the correct decoder and I store it in the Roster. When I exit and restart DecoderPro I click NEW+ to get a new Loco and decoder recognized, but the field at the bottom left ( Read decoder type) is greyed out. After deinstallation i even deleted all remnants from JMRI and even cleaned the registry as far as I could. I reinstalled - did no new Lokomotive, but tried to import a complete Lokpark/Roster from my second laptop - all 104 locos appeared correctly, but I cannot add a new locomotive/decoder because in the new locomotive Window the button at the bottom left (read decoder Type) is still greyd out. And no - I am not Read only.... I red several JMRI topics, I tried to rebuild the coplete Lokpar/Roster (which did nothing) and so I am stuck. I am working with DR5000/Yamorc YD7001 and Z21, I can work with the Throttle without any Problem, so the connection to my centralStation is ok (over WIFI by the way) I am currently on 5.10.4 Release but tried also the 5.11.4 TestRelease with same result. Can I ask to help me ? Vest regards Erik
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The following items have been added to the Files area of the [email protected] group. /EAR/EAR_messages.log /EAR/EAR_session.log By: @EAR <erik@...> Description: Logfiles to Problem EAR #240916
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Cars Returning to Staging
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Hello folks I've been using JMRI for Operations for about 12 years, with good success, thanks in no small part to this forum. I operate a windows 10 system computer with JMRI 5.10 with Java 17. I use a 12 track staging yard which serves a large switching layout representing the Birmingham Industrial District (AL) in the steam era and very early diesel era. The staging tracks hold about 12 to 15 or a few more cars. There are two other smaller C/I yards and 7 interchange tracks, plus individual industries and a steel mill. We have monthly operating sessions. The different trains and staging tracks represent the 9 trunk railroads that served Birmingham in the steam era. Staged trains occupy a designated staging track - they always use the same one and return to the same one. Staging tracks are numbered "-1 or -2", and trains are set for "trains may return to staging". So, a train may leave staging 1-1 and then return to staging 1-2. This has worked fine for years and still does, but with a difference. (The overall goal of the RR's operation is to serve the on-layout steel mill, with multiple trains assembling required materials to deliver to the blast furnaces - not a part of this question. Some trains originate at the two smaller C/I yards, rather than staging.) Since upgrading to version 5.10 a month or two ago, I notice that some trains now show part of a (longer) train with cars going out to the layout and part of that same train being moved from the departure track to the future arrival track in staging. In the past, prior to 5.10, I believe all the cars would leave staging, including those with no destination on the layout, and return to staging. Basically these cars "took a ride" and then returned home. The cars "taking a ride" would be included in the departing train's car count as well as the returning train's car count. I liked having the "extra" cars taking a ride and increasing the interest of the various switching operations, and then returning to staging. As an example, the NB L&N Local Freight, is assigned to staging 1-1, and has 18 cars in staging. The build is successful and shows 9 cars departing for the layout, and 9 cars "moving" from track 1-1 to 1-2. Upon inspection of the build report, I find that these 9 "stay at home" cars have no destination on the layout -- either no room or no allowable location. The 9 cars that do have an available destination go away, get set out and 9 new cars return from the layout. The car count leaving and returning is 9 cars. (It would previously have been 18 out and 18 back) Now, I realize that I could instruct my operators to ignore the "move" instruction for cars remaining/returning to staging, but they get confused about the car count along the train's route. I also realize I can just let the cars sit in staging rather than "go for a ride", but what's the fun in that? There are also situations where the train may rightly move a car from an interchange track to a local industry. This is OK and the car count for the train's advance is "correct". So a "blanket" instruction to operators about ignoring "move" instructions wouldn't work either. So, my question is, "cars returning to staging used to go out on the layout, and take a ride back to staging -- can this be made to happen as it used to?" That is, the "move" instruction would have been a "P/U" instruction for leaving staging, and a "S/O" instruction upon return instead of what I'll call a "move to remain" instruction. Thanks for the help. John Stewart Birmingham, AL
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Train tracking markers lacking when editing
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JMRI 5.10 on W11 I thought I would experiment with train tracking on a layout editor panel. I found that when the loco IDs are placed near a block that there is no indication that something has been placed there. After a train has passed through that area then tiny little blocks show up on the panel in edit mode (if everything was done correctly). This makes me grumpy. George
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Script output delayed
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In developing some scripts, I often print to the output, as it helps debug the program. I am noticing that the output is extremely delayed Is there anyway the output can be updated? I use print statements so I can see where the application is currently processing, when I do print, I print the current time and date Then I pause the Script before processing more statements. I use statement like, time.sleep(10) I’m wondering, if using this kind of statement to pause my script causes the output to pause also
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Problems with an SML Pair
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I cannot get a single mast pair T7 to T2 via B7 to work as expected. T7 is a ghost block with a detection block pre and post. T1, T2 and T3 all share a detection block. B17 Shown below is a single block with detection sensors. I have two paths (B7, B8) coming in from T7 which I've shown below that share same entrance to T7 and exit from T2. The SML was auto-generated. The diverging path works as expected. That is, it knows that T7 must be thrown, T1 must be closed (invert) and T2 to its right must be thrown (invert) to pass traffic. The mast on the right (T2) never changes aspect although the T7 mast changes to approach as I'd expect. When auto-generated, jmri paired the T2 mast with another mast in the yard block (BYE) for unknown logic. Complete layout follows for completeness. Note: All start at B17 and counter-clockwise on B1 or B9. B9, B11 are up and over B8,B7. I copied the logic from T1 mast to T2 mast in the xml but it produced the same results. I have done grand resets (deleting all paths and SML in this case) several times and I've run out of ideas. File is uploaded problems and a convenience link below. XML file uploaded to Problems... I hope somebody here has some suggestion. //stevemac
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Signal Mast Pairs - what aspect if none active?
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Here I have three options to set the signal, their conditions resulting all being not active (as intended). For these conditions I have LogixNG to set the mast to an aspect I require. I suspect the aspect is being set but immediately changed to Danger. Does SML default to forcing the mast to Danger when no mast pairs are Active? -- H.O. Australia (Layout in Progress) Digikeijs DR5000 LocoNet JMRI v5.10 DecoderPro/Warrants/CPE/SML/LogixNG Java: OpenLogic jre-17.0.12.7 Windows 10
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Loading table content and panels xml file using MacOS Mongomery from Dropbox - Error Loading File Appears
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Hi All Would anyone be able to assist with this issue. History back ground I have been using windows 10 PC's for many years with no issues and dropbox to store the information. This has been working without any issues for over 10 years. Now the PC's have been at different locations and still operating. Now one of the PC's is normally has the preferences configured to the railway hardware and the other PC the preferences are set to Simulator. Absolutely nothing new there works amazing. Loading Issue using Montgomery OS Now Moving on to the issue now. I was presented with the opportunity to change to a Mac mini using Catalina OS and Montgomery OS. I loaded the latest test version of JMRI onto Montgomery and all set up correctly in simulation mode and again using dropbox . When I tried to load table content and panels and selecting the correct xml file version. I get these error messages as shown below So then I decided to try using Catalina OS and repeat the same JMRI set up with Dropbox again. To my surprise when I selected load table contents and panels and the same xml file version. Every thing loads correctly as expected with no issues appreciate any assistance or ideas to resolve the issue Regards Peter
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