Re: a very simple question (I hope)
If those are the rules for the items which you are marking, then of course follow those rules. Personally, I haven’t seen that. I’ve just seen the requirement to mark a box where the associated statement applies, so that any mark will suffice.
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On May 20, 2025, at 11:21?AM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
Funnily enough, when marking answers to questions, ? means correct whereas x means incorrect. So, wouldn't x mean the opposite? ;-)
I have some spreadsheets where I have a “check” column. I test for this being any non-space character but I generally use *.
Otto
Most of the time, x will be accepted instead of ??.
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Re: a very simple question (I hope)
In the “good old days”, correct answers were marked with a “C” and wrong answers got the check.?
However, when there is a box to mark, either a check or an “X” should suffice.?
Jerry
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On May 20, 2025, at 5:21?PM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
? Funnily enough, when marking answers to questions, ? means correct whereas x means incorrect. So, wouldn't x mean the opposite? ;-)
I have some spreadsheets where I have a “check” column. I test for this being any non-space character but I generally use *.
Otto
Most of the time, x will be accepted instead of ??.
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Re: a very simple question (I hope)
Funnily enough, when marking answers to questions, ? means correct whereas x means incorrect. So, wouldn't x mean the opposite? ;-)
I have some spreadsheets where I have a “check” column. I test for this being any non-space character but I generally use *.
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Most of the time, x will be accepted instead of ??.
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On May 14, 2025, at 5:50?PM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
That’s the square root symbol, although it looks a little like a check mark (tick in the UK).
I find it strange that there isn’t a tick symbol available without going into emoji, etc. If I used it a lot, I’d set it up as a key combo.
Otto On 14 May 2025, at 18:47, Steve Kane via < skane-l@...> wrote:
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Option-V makes a reasonable check mark depending on the font you are using.
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Re: (Edited) Update is required to connect to your phone?
On May 19, 2025, at 10:30, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
? Thank you, Brian.?
See, even if you can’t give a detailed explanation,
you can have something to offer. We have other who were concerned and several that went ahead and installed the requested ?update.?
Our knowledgeable “resource” members explained that it was, even if a source was not cited.? On May 19, 2025, at 09:53, Brian L. Matthews via groups.io <blmatthews@...> wrote:
?
I've also seen this prompt a number of
times. I can't remember what OS's but it's been a number of them
(both macOS and iOS/iPadOS). And yes, it happened once when I
happened to plugin in my iPad first after a macOS update, but the
one install was sufficient for both my iPad and iPhone to be able
to be plugged in without the prompt (until the next macOS update).
I've always let it install and it doesn't seem to have caused any
problems.
I agree, it seems like this could be built into the OS
update/upgrade but it's been a separate install for quite a long
time, so maybe there's a reason it's not.
Brian
On 5/19/25 9:36 AM, Brent via groups.io wrote:
Robert, which OSes are you running on what devices?
You are the first one to say they have first hands on
experience. If you have mildly older devices and OS, that and
the offered explanation of what it does is the assurance that I
am looking for.?
This should have been written into the OS upgrade, not
written as a stand alone upgrade. A line or two of code could
have handled this and made it invisible. After all, what
triggered this thread was a minor OS upgrade. And it appears to
be not essential. It could have waited until the next upgrade.?
This sure isn’t, “it just works”. I miss Steve Jobs.?
Yes, Apple’s goal or motto has become “sell more hardware”,
and speed up the obsolescence. Rather than “the computer for the
rest of us”, it has become sell them all a device.?
The System Prefs used to have a couple dozen items, but now
Settings include hundreds of choices, organized in a confusing
manner.?
And crippling bugs are more common in new releases.?
On May 19, 2025, at 08:40, Robert
Durnford via groups.io <rxd@...>
wrote:
?
I hav had this pop up several times on my iMac. I’ve always
installed the patch offered by Apple without incidence re
workings of applications. It then only reappeared on use of
iPhone connection on rare occasions after a system software
update. Install makes it go away.
On May 19, 2025, at 07:26, Eric
Nelson via groups.io <emanmb@...>
wrote:
?
Watching this with great interest as I have the
same issue. ?I have not tried to fix it for some time
living my iOS on 17.2 (in case newer iOS screws things
up more) ?and my Mac Pro is running 10.13.6 (17G14042)
which is as high as mine can go. ?
Eric
?
On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 07:53 PM, Brent wrote:
When I plug the phone into my Mac, this
message pops up. (May be at the bottom of the post.)
 ? ?
I chose “not now”. If I have or open a Finder
window, my iPhone appears in the sidebar. Every
time I plug in the iPhone, the dialog appears.
?
Going back a couple of versions of iOS,
Photo.app started opening each time I plugged in
the phone. That was a change. The iPhone was
visible in the Finder window. After I updated to
18.4.1, Photo.app did not open, but the dialog
appeared. The dialog makes me think that the
upgrade fixed/ prevented Photo from opening, but
gives the unneeded dialog box.
Brent ?
On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
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Re: Update is required to connect to your phone?
Thank you, Brian.?
See, even if you can’t give a detailed explanation, we have other who were concerned and several that went a head and install the requested ?update.?
Our knowledgeable “resource” members explained that it was, even if a source was not cited.?
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On May 19, 2025, at 09:53, Brian L. Matthews via groups.io <blmatthews@...> wrote:
?
I've also seen this prompt a number of
times. I can't remember what OS's but it's been a number of them
(both macOS and iOS/iPadOS). And yes, it happened once when I
happened to plugin in my iPad first after a macOS update, but the
one install was sufficient for both my iPad and iPhone to be able
to be plugged in without the prompt (until the next macOS update).
I've always let it install and it doesn't seem to have caused any
problems.
I agree, it seems like this could be built into the OS
update/upgrade but it's been a separate install for quite a long
time, so maybe there's a reason it's not.
Brian
On 5/19/25 9:36 AM, Brent via groups.io wrote:
Robert, which OSes are you running on what devices?
You are the first one to say they have first hands on
experience. If you have mildly older devices and OS, that and
the offered explanation of what it does is the assurance that I
am looking for.?
This should have been written into the OS upgrade, not
written as a stand alone upgrade. A line or two of code could
have handled this and made it invisible. After all, what
triggered this thread was a minor OS upgrade. And it appears to
be not essential. It could have waited until the next upgrade.?
This sure isn’t, “it just works”. I miss Steve Jobs.?
Yes, Apple’s goal or motto has become “sell more hardware”,
and speed up the obsolescence. Rather than “the computer for the
rest of us”, it has become sell them all a device.?
The System Prefs used to have a couple dozen items, but now
Settings include hundreds of choices, organized in a confusing
manner.?
And crippling bugs are more common in new releases.?
On May 19, 2025, at 08:40, Robert
Durnford via groups.io <rxd@...>
wrote:
?
I hav had this pop up several times on my iMac. I’ve always
installed the patch offered by Apple without incidence re
workings of applications. It then only reappeared on use of
iPhone connection on rare occasions after a system software
update. Install makes it go away.
On May 19, 2025, at 07:26, Eric
Nelson via groups.io <emanmb@...>
wrote:
?
Watching this with great interest as I have the
same issue. ?I have not tried to fix it for some time
living my iOS on 17.2 (in case newer iOS screws things
up more) ?and my Mac Pro is running 10.13.6 (17G14042)
which is as high as mine can go. ?
Eric
?
On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 07:53 PM, Brent wrote:
When I plug the phone into my Mac, this
message pops up. (May be at the bottom of the post.)
? ?
I chose “not now”. If I have or open a Finder
window, my iPhone appears in the sidebar. Every
time I plug in the iPhone, the dialog appears.
?
Going back a couple of versions of iOS,
Photo.app started opening each time I plugged in
the phone. That was a change. The iPhone was
visible in the Finder window. After I updated to
18.4.1, Photo.app did not open, but the dialog
appeared. The dialog makes me think that the
upgrade fixed/ prevented Photo from opening, but
gives the unneeded dialog box.
Brent ?
On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
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Re: Update is required to connect to your phone?
So you were using a combination of older Mac with a moderately newer iPhone. Similar to what I an doing currently.?
I think you are mistaken tho, I think the iMac was only capable of macOS 10.13, High Sierra, not macOS 13, Ventura.?
Thank you for the feedback, it reassures me.?
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On May 19, 2025, at 09:47, Robert Durnford via groups.io <rxd@...> wrote:
? Running MacOS 13.4 on a iMac from 2009-10 cell phone was a 13pro at the time of messages. IOS 14 I believe was the first update on iPhone requesting install of patch. On May 19, 2025, at 12:42, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
? Robert, which OSes are you running on what devices?
You are the first one to say they have first hands on experience. If you have mildly older devices and OS, that and the offered explanation of what it does is the assurance that I am looking for.?
This should have been written into the OS upgrade, not written as a stand alone upgrade. A line or two of code could have handled this and made it invisible. After all, what triggered this thread was a minor OS upgrade. And it appears to be not essential. It could have waited until the next upgrade.?
This sure isn’t, “it just works”. I miss Steve Jobs.?
Yes, Apple’s goal or motto has become “sell more hardware”, and speed up the obsolescence. Rather than “the computer for the rest of us”, it has become sell them all a device.?
The System Prefs used to have a couple dozen items, but now Settings include hundreds of choices, organized in a confusing manner.?
And crippling bugs are more common in new releases.? On May 19, 2025, at 08:40, Robert Durnford via groups.io <rxd@...> wrote:
? I hav had this pop up several times on my iMac. I’ve always installed the patch offered by Apple without incidence re workings of applications. It then only reappeared on use of iPhone connection on rare occasions after a system software update. Install makes it go away. On May 19, 2025, at 07:26, Eric Nelson via groups.io <emanmb@...> wrote:
? Watching this with great interest as I have the same issue. ?I have not tried to fix it for some time living my iOS on 17.2 (in case newer iOS screws things up more) ?and my Mac Pro is running 10.13.6 (17G14042) which is as high as mine can go. ?
Eric
?
On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 07:53 PM, Brent wrote:
When I plug the phone into my Mac, this message pops up. (May be at the bottom of the post.)
? ?
I chose “not now”. If I have or open a Finder window, my iPhone appears in the sidebar. Every time I plug in the iPhone, the dialog appears.
?
Going back a couple of versions of iOS, Photo.app started opening each time I plugged in the phone. That was a change. The iPhone was visible in the Finder window. After I updated to 18.4.1, Photo.app did not open, but the dialog appeared. The dialog makes me think that the upgrade fixed/ prevented Photo from opening, but gives the unneeded dialog box.
Brent ?
On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
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Re: Update is required to connect to your phone?
Peter, I researched this before I asked here. I could know find an explanation. Granted my knee jerk reaction when someone says google it is to think of many of the sources that their main goal is not on Apple related technology. When people reference Business Week or Forbes, the sources focus is generally not on Apple, but on Windoz boxes, with all the FUD and prejudice that that suggests.?
Until today, no one here has said I ran into that, and after that all was fine.?
When I did a web search, I could not find an article from an Apple-leaning or otherwise source. So I posted here. Slowly, a couple of our wonderful resources, knowledgeable members, said it was an update of a compatibility chart. That the need for a tiny update was triggered by a just installed minor OS update, makes no sense, when two lines of code would have made that need invisible.?
If I wasn’t on a minimal fixed income, getting my hardware bricked wouldn’t have been so serious, but I do, so it is.?
I have used Apple products for over 25 years for my purposes. I have used both IBM in college and Window for work. I prefer Apple, but today’s Apple is not the same Apple I started with. And I have been burned more than once.
—- The advent of computers and the internet have not made humans smarter, just lazy, gullible and corrupt. AI is just another step in the same direction.?
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On May 19, 2025, at 09:01, Peter Rasmusen <peter@...> wrote:
? In that case, it hardly bears any meaning for us to answer your question.?
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Another thing: If don’t look at non-Apple sources fot answers, I guess it’s beacause you trust Apple more than non-Apple? But not their software updates??
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I have had that popup some times over the years - I click install and everything is hunky-dory. No problems at all.?
And if there had been a problem, backup is a great concept.?
Fear is not!?
Peter
On 19 May 2025, at 11.25, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
As normal, learn more was not informative. I generally don’t look at non Apple related sources for answers.? On May 18, 2025, at 20:54, jwarthman via groups.io <jwarthmanlists@...> wrote:
? Hi Brent, What new information do you get if you click “Learn more“?
Have you tried googling ng ahead to install the Software Update? I seem to recall that it might simply be a driver, not a major (or even a minor) SW version update.
Jim On May 18, 2025, at 7:53?PM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
? When I plug the phone into my Mac, this message pops up. (May be at the bottom of the post.) <Screen Shot 2025-05-18 at 7.26.18 PM.png> ?
I chose “not now”. If I have or open a Finder window, my iPhone appears in the sidebar. Every time I plug in the iPhone, the dialog appears.
Going back a couple of versions of iOS, Photo.app started opening each time I plugged in the phone. That was a change. The iPhone was visible in the Finder window. After I updated to 18.4.1, Photo.app did not open, but the dialog appeared. The dialog makes me think that the upgrade fixed/ prevented Photo from opening, but gives the unneeded dialog box.
Brent ?
On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
On May 18, 2025, at 1:54 PM, Al Varnell via < alvarnell@...> wrote:
I must be missing something. Which button did you push when you got the dialog? Did you hit "Install" and do not see your iPhone in Finder or the next time you plugged your iPhone in the dialog appeared again, because those are the only situations which are not normal.
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Re: Update is required to connect to your phone?
I've also seen this prompt a number of
times. I can't remember what OS's but it's been a number of them
(both macOS and iOS/iPadOS). And yes, it happened once when I
happened to plugin in my iPad first after a macOS update, but the
one install was sufficient for both my iPad and iPhone to be able
to be plugged in without the prompt (until the next macOS update).
I've always let it install and it doesn't seem to have caused any
problems.
I agree, it seems like this could be built into the OS
update/upgrade but it's been a separate install for quite a long
time, so maybe there's a reason it's not.
Brian
On 5/19/25 9:36 AM, Brent via groups.io wrote:
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Robert, which OSes are you running on what devices?
You are the first one to say they have first hands on
experience. If you have mildly older devices and OS, that and
the offered explanation of what it does is the assurance that I
am looking for.?
This should have been written into the OS upgrade, not
written as a stand alone upgrade. A line or two of code could
have handled this and made it invisible. After all, what
triggered this thread was a minor OS upgrade. And it appears to
be not essential. It could have waited until the next upgrade.?
This sure isn’t, “it just works”. I miss Steve Jobs.?
Yes, Apple’s goal or motto has become “sell more hardware”,
and speed up the obsolescence. Rather than “the computer for the
rest of us”, it has become sell them all a device.?
The System Prefs used to have a couple dozen items, but now
Settings include hundreds of choices, organized in a confusing
manner.?
And crippling bugs are more common in new releases.?
On May 19, 2025, at 08:40, Robert
Durnford via groups.io <rxd@...>
wrote:
?
I hav had this pop up several times on my iMac. I’ve always
installed the patch offered by Apple without incidence re
workings of applications. It then only reappeared on use of
iPhone connection on rare occasions after a system software
update. Install makes it go away.
On May 19, 2025, at 07:26, Eric
Nelson via groups.io <emanmb@...>
wrote:
?
Watching this with great interest as I have the
same issue. ?I have not tried to fix it for some time
living my iOS on 17.2 (in case newer iOS screws things
up more) ?and my Mac Pro is running 10.13.6 (17G14042)
which is as high as mine can go. ?
Eric
?
On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 07:53 PM, Brent wrote:
When I plug the phone into my Mac, this
message pops up. (May be at the bottom of the post.)
? ?
I chose “not now”. If I have or open a Finder
window, my iPhone appears in the sidebar. Every
time I plug in the iPhone, the dialog appears.
?
Going back a couple of versions of iOS,
Photo.app started opening each time I plugged in
the phone. That was a change. The iPhone was
visible in the Finder window. After I updated to
18.4.1, Photo.app did not open, but the dialog
appeared. The dialog makes me think that the
upgrade fixed/ prevented Photo from opening, but
gives the unneeded dialog box.
Brent ?
On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
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Re: Update is required to connect to your phone?
Running MacOS 13.4 on a iMac from 2009-10 cell phone was a 13pro at the time of messages. IOS 14 I believe was the first update on iPhone requesting install of patch.
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On May 19, 2025, at 12:42, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
? Robert, which OSes are you running on what devices?
You are the first one to say they have first hands on experience. If you have mildly older devices and OS, that and the offered explanation of what it does is the assurance that I am looking for.?
This should have been written into the OS upgrade, not written as a stand alone upgrade. A line or two of code could have handled this and made it invisible. After all, what triggered this thread was a minor OS upgrade. And it appears to be not essential. It could have waited until the next upgrade.?
This sure isn’t, “it just works”. I miss Steve Jobs.?
Yes, Apple’s goal or motto has become “sell more hardware”, and speed up the obsolescence. Rather than “the computer for the rest of us”, it has become sell them all a device.?
The System Prefs used to have a couple dozen items, but now Settings include hundreds of choices, organized in a confusing manner.?
And crippling bugs are more common in new releases.? On May 19, 2025, at 08:40, Robert Durnford via groups.io <rxd@...> wrote:
? I hav had this pop up several times on my iMac. I’ve always installed the patch offered by Apple without incidence re workings of applications. It then only reappeared on use of iPhone connection on rare occasions after a system software update. Install makes it go away. On May 19, 2025, at 07:26, Eric Nelson via groups.io <emanmb@...> wrote:
? Watching this with great interest as I have the same issue. ?I have not tried to fix it for some time living my iOS on 17.2 (in case newer iOS screws things up more) ?and my Mac Pro is running 10.13.6 (17G14042) which is as high as mine can go. ?
Eric
?
On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 07:53 PM, Brent wrote:
When I plug the phone into my Mac, this message pops up. (May be at the bottom of the post.)
? ?
I chose “not now”. If I have or open a Finder window, my iPhone appears in the sidebar. Every time I plug in the iPhone, the dialog appears.
?
Going back a couple of versions of iOS, Photo.app started opening each time I plugged in the phone. That was a change. The iPhone was visible in the Finder window. After I updated to 18.4.1, Photo.app did not open, but the dialog appeared. The dialog makes me think that the upgrade fixed/ prevented Photo from opening, but gives the unneeded dialog box.
Brent ?
On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
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Re: Update is required to connect to your phone?
Robert, which OSes are you running on what devices?
You are the first one to say they have first hands on experience. If you have mildly older devices and OS, that and the offered explanation of what it does is the assurance that I am looking for.?
This should have been written into the OS upgrade, not written as a stand alone upgrade. A line or two of code could have handled this and made it invisible. After all, what triggered this thread was a minor OS upgrade. And it appears to be not essential. It could have waited until the next upgrade.?
This sure isn’t, “it just works”. I miss Steve Jobs.?
Yes, Apple’s goal or motto has become “sell more hardware”, and speed up the obsolescence. Rather than “the computer for the rest of us”, it has become sell them all a device.?
The System Prefs used to have a couple dozen items, but now Settings include hundreds of choices, organized in a confusing manner.?
And crippling bugs are more common in new releases.?
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On May 19, 2025, at 08:40, Robert Durnford via groups.io <rxd@...> wrote:
? I hav had this pop up several times on my iMac. I’ve always installed the patch offered by Apple without incidence re workings of applications. It then only reappeared on use of iPhone connection on rare occasions after a system software update. Install makes it go away. On May 19, 2025, at 07:26, Eric Nelson via groups.io <emanmb@...> wrote:
? Watching this with great interest as I have the same issue. ?I have not tried to fix it for some time living my iOS on 17.2 (in case newer iOS screws things up more) ?and my Mac Pro is running 10.13.6 (17G14042) which is as high as mine can go. ?
Eric
?
On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 07:53 PM, Brent wrote:
When I plug the phone into my Mac, this message pops up. (May be at the bottom of the post.)
? ?
I chose “not now”. If I have or open a Finder window, my iPhone appears in the sidebar. Every time I plug in the iPhone, the dialog appears.
?
Going back a couple of versions of iOS, Photo.app started opening each time I plugged in the phone. That was a change. The iPhone was visible in the Finder window. After I updated to 18.4.1, Photo.app did not open, but the dialog appeared. The dialog makes me think that the upgrade fixed/ prevented Photo from opening, but gives the unneeded dialog box.
Brent ?
On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
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Re: Update is required to connect to your phone?
In that case, it hardly bears any meaning for us to answer your question.?
...
Another thing: If don’t look at non-Apple sources fot answers, I guess it’s beacause you trust Apple more than non-Apple? But not their software updates??
...
I have had that popup some times over the years - I click install and everything is hunky-dory. No problems at all.?
And if there had been a problem, backup is a great concept.?
Fear is not!?
Peter
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On 19 May 2025, at 11.25, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
As normal, learn more was not informative. I generally don’t look at non Apple related sources for answers.? On May 18, 2025, at 20:54, jwarthman via groups.io <jwarthmanlists@...> wrote:
? Hi Brent, What new information do you get if you click “Learn more“?
Have you tried googling ng ahead to install the Software Update? I seem to recall that it might simply be a driver, not a major (or even a minor) SW version update.
Jim On May 18, 2025, at 7:53?PM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
? When I plug the phone into my Mac, this message pops up. (May be at the bottom of the post.) <Screen Shot 2025-05-18 at 7.26.18 PM.png> ?
I chose “not now”. If I have or open a Finder window, my iPhone appears in the sidebar. Every time I plug in the iPhone, the dialog appears.
Going back a couple of versions of iOS, Photo.app started opening each time I plugged in the phone. That was a change. The iPhone was visible in the Finder window. After I updated to 18.4.1, Photo.app did not open, but the dialog appeared. The dialog makes me think that the upgrade fixed/ prevented Photo from opening, but gives the unneeded dialog box.
Brent ?
On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
On May 18, 2025, at 1:54 PM, Al Varnell via < alvarnell@...> wrote:
I must be missing something. Which button did you push when you got the dialog? Did you hit "Install" and do not see your iPhone in Finder or the next time you plugged your iPhone in the dialog appeared again, because those are the only situations which are not normal.
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Re: Update is required to connect to your phone?
I hav had this pop up several times on my iMac. I’ve always installed the patch offered by Apple without incidence re workings of applications. It then only reappeared on use of iPhone connection on rare occasions after a system software update. Install makes it go away.
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On May 19, 2025, at 07:26, Eric Nelson via groups.io <emanmb@...> wrote:
? Watching this with great interest as I have the same issue. ?I have not tried to fix it for some time living my iOS on 17.2 (in case newer iOS screws things up more) ?and my Mac Pro is running 10.13.6 (17G14042) which is as high as mine can go. ?
Eric
?
On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 07:53 PM, Brent wrote:
When I plug the phone into my Mac, this message pops up. (May be at the bottom of the post.)
? ?
I chose “not now”. If I have or open a Finder window, my iPhone appears in the sidebar. Every time I plug in the iPhone, the dialog appears.
?
Going back a couple of versions of iOS, Photo.app started opening each time I plugged in the phone. That was a change. The iPhone was visible in the Finder window. After I updated to 18.4.1, Photo.app did not open, but the dialog appeared. The dialog makes me think that the upgrade fixed/ prevented Photo from opening, but gives the unneeded dialog box.
Brent ?
On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
|
Re: Update is required to connect to your phone?
Watching this with great interest as I have the same issue. ?I have not tried to fix it for some time living my iOS on 17.2 (in case newer iOS screws things up more) ?and my Mac Pro is running 10.13.6 (17G14042) which is as high as mine can go. ?
Eric
?
On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 07:53 PM, Brent wrote:
When I plug the phone into my Mac, this message pops up. (May be at the bottom of the post.)
? ?
I chose “not now”. If I have or open a Finder window, my iPhone appears in the sidebar. Every time I plug in the iPhone, the dialog appears.
?
Going back a couple of versions of iOS, Photo.app started opening each time I plugged in the phone. That was a change. The iPhone was visible in the Finder window. After I updated to 18.4.1, Photo.app did not open, but the dialog appeared. The dialog makes me think that the upgrade fixed/ prevented Photo from opening, but gives the unneeded dialog box.
Brent ?
On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
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Re: Update is required to connect to your phone?
As normal, learn more was not informative. I generally don’t look at non Apple related sources for answers.?
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On May 18, 2025, at 20:54, jwarthman via groups.io <jwarthmanlists@...> wrote:
? Hi Brent, What new information do you get if you click “Learn more“?
Have you tried googling ng ahead to install the Software Update? I seem to recall that it might simply be a driver, not a major (or even a minor) SW version update.
Jim On May 18, 2025, at 7:53?PM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
? When I plug the phone into my Mac, this message pops up. (May be at the bottom of the post.) <Screen Shot 2025-05-18 at 7.26.18 PM.png> ?
I chose “not now”. If I have or open a Finder window, my iPhone appears in the sidebar. Every time I plug in the iPhone, the dialog appears.
Going back a couple of versions of iOS, Photo.app started opening each time I plugged in the phone. That was a change. The iPhone was visible in the Finder window. After I updated to 18.4.1, Photo.app did not open, but the dialog appeared. The dialog makes me think that the upgrade fixed/ prevented Photo from opening, but gives the unneeded dialog box.
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On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
On May 18, 2025, at 1:54 PM, Al Varnell via < alvarnell@...> wrote:
I must be missing something. Which button did you push when you got the dialog? Did you hit "Install" and do not see your iPhone in Finder or the next time you plugged your iPhone in the dialog appeared again, because those are the only situations which are not normal.
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Re: Update is required to connect to your phone?
Jim is correct that it's nothing like a software update, just a small database containing the board ID's of all known iDevices that are allowed to connect. There are no changes to settings or restart required. The last time I checked there were only three small databases that were swapped out for new ones. Similar to XProtect updates, but you get to decide when to do it.
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I never ever had the experience of having Photos open when I connected my iPhone, so I can't relate at all to the previous behavior you described.
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Hi Brent, What new information do you get if you click “Learn more“?
Have you tried googling ng ahead to install the Software Update? I seem to recall that it might simply be a driver, not a major (or even a minor) SW version update.
Jim
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On May 18, 2025, at 7:53?PM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
? When I plug the phone into my Mac, this message pops up. (May be at the bottom of the post.) <Screen Shot 2025-05-18 at 7.26.18 PM.png> ?
I chose “not now”. If I have or open a Finder window, my iPhone appears in the sidebar. Every time I plug in the iPhone, the dialog appears.
Going back a couple of versions of iOS, Photo.app started opening each time I plugged in the phone. That was a change. The iPhone was visible in the Finder window. After I updated to 18.4.1, Photo.app did not open, but the dialog appeared. The dialog makes me think that the upgrade fixed/ prevented Photo from opening, but gives the unneeded dialog box.
Brent ?
On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
On May 18, 2025, at 1:54 PM, Al Varnell via < alvarnell@...> wrote:
I must be missing something. Which button did you push when you got the dialog? Did you hit "Install" and do not see your iPhone in Finder or the next time you plugged your iPhone in the dialog appeared again, because those are the only situations which are not normal.
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When I plug the phone into my Mac, this message pops up. (May be at the bottom of the post.) ?
I chose “not now”. If I have or open a Finder window, my iPhone appears in the sidebar. Every time I plug in the iPhone, the dialog appears.
Going back a couple of versions of iOS, Photo.app started opening each time I plugged in the phone. That was a change. The iPhone was visible in the Finder window. After I updated to 18.4.1, Photo.app did not open, but the dialog appeared. The dialog makes me think that the upgrade fixed/ prevented Photo from opening, but gives the unneeded dialog box.
Brent ?
On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
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On May 18, 2025, at 1:54 PM, Al Varnell via < alvarnell@...> wrote:
I must be missing something. Which button did you push when you got the dialog? Did you hit "Install" and do not see your iPhone in Finder or the next time you plugged your iPhone in the dialog appeared again, because those are the only situations which are not normal.
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Re: Update is required to connect to your phone?
I must be missing something. Which button did you push when you got the dialog? Did you hit "Install" and do not see your iPhone in Finder or the next time you plugged your iPhone in the dialog appeared again, because those are the only situations which are not normal.
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Re: Update is required to connect to your phone?
Al, we have been on a couple of list, together, for the last 20 some years. I trust you and look up to you as a subject matter expert on spam, hacking and security issues. With Ben, I have less experience, but trust him as a general trusted source, although I sometimes disagree with him on minor nuances, and we can both read the same sentence and our POV can lead us to different conclusions. All fine. I even asked him one time if we were related, we’re not.?
This is a message that I have not seen before. The iPhone is either recognized by the Mac, or it is not, no message. My iPhone is a XR, that I keep current as the regular iOS update messages appear. I moved to a late 2012 Mac mini, about the beginning of 2024, and updated it to Catalina, macOS 10.15.7, in February 2024, and several security updates even though Apple supposedly does not support Catalina any more. The iPhone went thru several iOS 17 & 18 in the same period. I got an update message to update to 18.4.1, skipping over 18.4.
With the install of 18.4.1, the message, “Update is required to connect to your phone.” appeared. Yet Apple Support doc,??, in the first section says there Is a way to connect, thru Finder, just like syncing my iPhone and Mac, since I moved to Catalina and they split up iTunes, which had started opening Photo.app when connecting the iPhone. Basically, 18.4.1 put. Things back to the way they were before, and the message is superfluous. I just want to get rid of the message.
To be honest, In the 25 years I have been using Apple products, I have been burned more than once, so I am a bit shy of sudden, unexplained changes.
Brent ?
On my late 2012 Mac mini running?10.15.7?
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On May 17, 2025, at 6:58 PM, Al Varnell via < alvarnell@...> wrote:
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I'll see what I can do to resolve whatever conflicts you are still experiencing. Most everything you have been told is exactly correct. These updates are perfectly normal and always happen to accommodate a new iDevice, whether you own that device or not. They have been happening for all of us for decades, but the dialog box changed within the last year or so to become more noticeable. Every time you connect an iDevice to your computer a check is made to see if the connectivity database on your computer matches the latest version on Apple servers. If not, you get the dialog. The database has nothing to do with phone calls, only connectivity (as stated earlier). If you have a new device and it isn't listed in your database, it will not connect. Apple wants you to keep it current, which is why it pops up for older devises, but you can just ignore it if that suits your needs and your iPhone properly connects. My choice is to always chose to update. There have been a few times when an update comes out and there was no new iDevice and just guessing that there was a bug in what they last posted.
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I'll guess again that the 18.4.1 update contained an old copy of the database, which would explain why you got the notification you noted.
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The only way to turn it off is to disconnect your computer from the internet before connecting your iPhone.
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