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On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 23:05:17 -0500, "Fred J. Keene" <fkeene@...> wrote:

I just modified my membership to send individual messages rather than
the digest. I had preferred the IOMUG digest before, because it came
as just one message and opening the digest gave all the individual
messages. I could then select the messages I wished to keep and
transfer them to another mailbox. I have found no way to do this
with the egroup digests.

What mail client do you use? Most have the ability to burst digests; you
should not need an external utility. Also, there are several differing
digest formats. Egroups uses one peculiar to Egroups and OneList, so you
need a program that understands its format to burst it.
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BTW Sonnet now offers an upgrad path for 7200s

Rob,
Found them-thanks. wish I would have known about this $500 upgrade before buying the new iMac. I've been waiting for these for two years. Ouch.
stacey

Also, I am concerned that others replying to questions may not think
to send to the whole group and the rest of us will miss out on the
reply. Perhaps this situation is no different that it was
before....I'm just thinking about it now.

...Fred

This concern has been expressed by many other group members already,
and I'd like to echo it as well. I have a feeling that many of the
replies are not getting to the whole list b/c the address has to be
manually added to the "reply". (I suppose from Eudora, I could
configure a filter to do this.)
Anyway, I have a feeling that I've missed the answers to many of the
questions that would have loved hear....That's my two-cents!
Stacey
ps. oops, just did it again (replied to individual instead of
list--have to resend)
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Stacey Roof
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Work: 303-545-9683
Home: 303-554-0546
Mobile: 303-517-2840

BTW Sonnet now offers an upgrad path for 7200s

Hello Rob,
You are kidding me? Where do I find these options? They are never available in my Mac Mall, Connection, etc. Even for the /90? Any direction you could give would be appreciated.
Stacey
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Stacey Roof
<mailto:stacey@...>
Work: 303-545-9683
Home: 303-554-0546
Mobile: 303-517-2840

Thanks to everyone for the everymac.com site. I'll check it out. I already have gone to E-bay and typed in my model, but came up dry. I'm sure it was user error-I'll try again.

As for your iMacs, you could be running into two problems. The first is
that there were several changes made with Mac OS 9 that made older versions
of certain software incompatible with it. One of the mail culprits is Adobe
Type Manager. If you have a version of ATM prior to version 4.5.2 it will

Mine is 4.0.2. That must have been part of it--although after I trashed the ATM control panel, my instability issues continued.

The second problem you could be running into, is that recently, Apple has
started making their system CD's machine specific. In other words, the disk
is designed to work only with the type of machine it came with. Usually,
this will mean that when you try to install something from a disk that came
with another machine, you will not be allowed to because the firmware is
not the correct type.

I figured it was something like that, however it did allow the installation (It would not on our Wallstreet PowerBook). Is there any way to do a custom install that would avoid installing all the cd-rom/DVD specific extensions, etc. from the OS 9 and then just re-install (or keep) the ones from my 8.6 specific to this machine?

Also, if anyone out there has any opinions on ConflictCatcher 8.0 and its compatibility with other software I'd love to hear them. (I have PhotoShop 5.5, Illustrator 8.0, Dreamweaver 3.0, Filemaker Pro 3, to name a few) I bought it because MacWorld gave it 5 mice (sucker??) and I'm a fan of D. Pogue who wrote the manual (shoulda just joined the fan club), but it really has not been useful to me as most of my problems are intermittent. I suspect it may be the culprit at times.

Thanks again,
Stacey

Hi,

I'm looking to sell my old 7200/90 (you know, that odd,
non-upgradable model). Anyone know of a site that that can give me a
ball-park resale value? Or maybe some of you might know. It has 96 MB
RAM.
I read in a previous post there there was a site that did just this,
but did not get the URL.

Also, I have 2 iMacs: #1 is a 333/192 running OS 8.6, #2 is a 450/192
running OS 9.0.4. #2 has fire wire and DVD drive, while #1 does not.
I would like to upgrade #1 to 9.0.4 (via the CDs that came with #2)
but when I last tried the result was multiple crashes in every
application, including the finder on start-up. I gave up and did a
clean install of 8.6.

My question: Does this have anything to do with the DVD or Firewire
Extensions that are being installed? I wiped all those out and even
ran ConflictCatcher, but to no avail (CC's assessment was that Adobe
ATM was the culprit, but CC is another story)...Could this be an
Apple software piracy safeguard? Do I have to purchase a new copy of

> OS 9 to install on #1, rather than using the CD's that came with #2?
> Even though I personally own both computers (one personal, one for
> business) am I supposed to maintain separate software for each

one--ethically and otherwise?

I realize this is a mouthful--thanks in advance for input,

Stacey

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Big Head Todd and the Monsters
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On 12/18/00 7:31 AM, John <jgross@...> wrote:

Yea, but even if we all agreed, everyone on the list would do the same
math, decide to let someone else send in their $1 and he would probably
not receive enough to cover the fee.

So that idea probably isn't very practical. Since Mark receives the user
group store points from IOMUG purchases and has for years, perhaps he'd find
it in his heart to pay the fee himself. Just an idea, nothing more...

Jon Bonner

Daly,
The BBEdit method would be fine for my personal address book, but I maintain a mailing list of 5,000 plus names and addresses (not to mention "groups" of names assigned to one nickname). Using a script to search out duplicates would be very helpful to me. Ideally, Eudora would add this function to their software-I've already submitted it to their "wish-list".
Thanks,
Stacey

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Stacey Roof
<mailto:stacey@...>
Work: 303-545-9683
Home: 303-554-0546
Mobile: 303-517-2840

Hiya.... e-groups.
I want my IOMUG MIME DIGEST back..... :-(((
Will that be possible with "e-groups"???
Or is e-groups just one more of those
"new" and "improved" liberal methods of
driving a populace insane?

Yolanda
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Little by little we subtract
Faith and fallacy from fact,
The illusory from the true...
And starve upon the residue."
-Anonymous
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Quoting Fred J. Keene and possibly previous message on 12/17/00 23:05.

What is the best way of sending a reply
to the whole group as well as to the original sender? I assume that
to reach the group I should add the address of iomug@....
Does it make any difference if I add this under TO: or if I put the
iomug@... address as a Cc: ?

Also, I am concerned that others replying to questions may not think
to send to the whole group and the rest of us will miss out on the
reply. Perhaps this situation is no different that it was
before....I'm just thinking about it now.

...Fred

I noticed the same thing and wonder if Mr Luffman may have any control
over this. If I select Reply all instead of Reply I get the sender and
the list adress. I would proefer to most often reply just to the list.

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Quoting Brent Pennington and possibly previous message on 12/17/00 21:10.

Hi Virginia;

What application was it?
It is probably an extention which can be found and turned off in the
Extensions Mananger control panel. They usually include the word "menu" in
the name of the extension, but not always the name of the program at least
the way you would search for it.

And sometimes a control panel or program installed in extensions. CP
for PPP Menu I believe, Program for Palm Desktop are examples.

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In a message dated 12/18/00 5:04:45 PM, zeegal@... writes:

I'm again requesting instructions on how to assess member only information
at the web site. The password I was given in an e-mail with all the changes
doesn't work. I have tried it numerous times to make sure I wasn't typing
it wrong. Has anyone else had this problem? Most importantly how do I get
this problem handled? Thanks. Zentura

Go to



and there put in your eMail address and click on "Send eMail" to have eGroups
eMail you a new verification code for your password so you can get access to
your account.

Cheers

Roger

You have to have an mp3 player. QuickTime will play mp3s, but my favorite
player is SoundJam (see <>).

DaveK

on 12/18/00 5:12 AM, Stella Sloop at serenn@... wrote:

Hi guys (and gals)...

I've been using Entourage as my main mail client for about a month and
have found it almost entirely enjoyable.

One problem: in Outlook Express, when you delete a message from the
Inbox, it goes to the next unread message (next one down if you have it
arranged by Sent date). In Entourage, deleting a message takes me to the
next message above the deleted message, which is usually one I've
already read and decided to keep for awhile. I then have to select the
next unread message manually to delete or keep it (in OE I could just
press delete several times to get rid of all the unwanted messages going
down the list).

Is there any way to change this behavior to the more reasonable OE
behavior? I've searched through the preferences with no luck. Any help
would be much appreciated...

Thanks,
--James R.
San Antonio, TX

Hi Stacey;

As for your old 7200, I believe www.everymac.com can help you out. The have
listings for (not coincidentaly) every Mac ever made, with production dates
and original and current resale prices.

As for your iMacs, you could be running into two problems. The first is
that there were several changes made with Mac OS 9 that made older versions
of certain software incompatible with it. One of the mail culprits is Adobe
Type Manager. If you have a version of ATM prior to version 4.5.2 it will
cause OS 9 to crash upon startup. Another troublesome application is Norton
Anit-virus. Again, you will have to have a recent version (ie. released
since OS 9 has been available) for it to work.
The second problem you could be running into, is that recently, Apple has
started making their system CD's machine specific. In other words, the disk
is designed to work only with the type of machine it came with. Usually,
this will mean that when you try to install something from a disk that came
with another machine, you will not be allowed to because the firmware is
not the correct type.

I hope this has been of some help.

Brent Pennington

Stacey Roof wrote:

In a message dated 12/18/00 2:17:00 PM, stacey@... writes:

BTW Sonnet now offers an upgrad path for 7200s

Rob,
Found them-thanks. wish I would have known about this $500 upgrade
before buying the new iMac. I've been waiting for these for two
years. Ouch.

IMHO this upgrade is not worth it, unless you have a significant investment
in "extras" on the 7200 - loads of RAM, PCI Cards, second hadr drive etc etc.

For not a whole lot more than $500 places like SmallDog Electronics, or
MacResQ will sell you an iMac which as a stand alone, not that expandable
computer will be way faster than the 7200 is going to be. They're not as good
as a new iMac, but the underlying architecture of them is way ahead of the
7200.

Then you've still got a 7200 to "retire" to other duties, like Print Server,
or your own local file server, or WWW server or somesuch.

Or to try and figure out how to sell <g>

I know, I have one in my basement, along with 2 6100s and an 8500. Currently
one of the 6100s is a more than admirable WWW server, although for speed of
processing FileMaker database requests on it is going to be replaced by the
8500 (with 300 MHz G3 card) shortly.

plink plink

Roger

Yea, but even if we all agreed, everyone on the list would do the same
math, decide to let someone else send in their $1 and he would probably
not receive enough to cover the fee.

iomug@... sent the following at 12/18/00 7:03 AM

With my new iMac, I hoped to be able to download and listen to MP3 files. I have downloaded a few but can't seem to figure out how to play them. Any help?

Also, since downloading Napster, everything seems to be very sluggish: the server, connections, software (Eudora, AOL, etc.). Any connection, do you think?

--stella

Here some stupid email questions.

My system is upgraded G3 240 mhz w/ 8.6

On OE v 5.02, i would like to change a few settings. Or move to a different
email program. Even upgrade?

First of all, my memory allocation is 10mb. However it takes OE about 30
seconds to open a webzine or html mail.

I noticed that Netscape Messenger handles the same chore in 5 to 10 sec.

When I open up a ezine, i get an automatic connect to the inet. This is very
aggravating especially in our school setting. How can I turn this off?

All my other memory setting, disk cache etc are default.

When I click on new letter/reply etc, I always get a letter size for a 14 in
monitor. Thus I always have to drag it open further.

Paul

In northern Alberta

I just modified my membership to send individual messages rather than the digest. I had preferred the IOMUG digest before, because it came as just one message and opening the digest gave all the individual messages. I could then select the messages I wished to keep and transfer them to another mailbox. I have found no way to do this with the egroup digests. I use the utility Burst to extract individual messages from other digests, but Burst does not seem to work with an egroup digest. If anyone knows how to extract individual messages from an egroup digest, please let me know.

Thankfully, I find that individual egroup messages still filter into the same mailbox as my previous IOMUG digests... because [iomug] is still in the header of each message....and my previous filter looked for IOMUG in the header.

BUT...if I reply to a message it would seem to go only to the sender and not to the whole group. What is the best way of sending a reply to the whole group as well as to the original sender? I assume that to reach the group I should add the address of iomug@.... Does it make any difference if I add this under TO: or if I put the iomug@... address as a Cc: ?

Also, I am concerned that others replying to questions may not think to send to the whole group and the rest of us will miss out on the reply. Perhaps this situation is no different that it was before....I'm just thinking about it now.

...Fred

Hi,

I'm looking to sell my old 7200/90 (you know, that odd, non-upgradable model). Anyone know of a site that that can give me a ball-park resale value? Or maybe some of you might know. It has 96 MB RAM.
I read in a previous post there there was a site that did just this, but did not get the URL.

Also, I have 2 iMacs: #1 is a 333/192 running OS 8.6, #2 is a 450/192 running OS 9.0.4. #2 has fire wire and DVD drive, while #1 does not. I would like to upgrade #1 to 9.0.4 (via the CDs that came with #2) but when I last tried the result was multiple crashes in every application, including the finder on start-up. I gave up and did a clean install of 8.6.

My question: Does this have anything to do with the DVD or Firewire Extensions that are being installed? I wiped all those out and even ran ConflictCatcher, but to no avail (CC's assessment was that Adobe ATM was the culprit, but CC is another story)...Could this be an Apple software piracy safeguard? Do I have to purchase a new copy of OS 9 to install on #1, rather than using the CD's that came with #2? Even though I personally own both computers (one personal, one for business) am I supposed to maintain separate software for each one--ethically and otherwise?

I realize this is a mouthful--thanks in advance for input,
Stacey