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Hi all, What is happening at dayton? Is Icom displaying the new radio? Anyone on the list has a friend that they can call & ask to check the Icom booth? -Best

It seems strange that you are all talking of the end of the 706 series.... Nobody has said that it is to be discountiouned ! Just becasuse one web site doesnt list it doesnt mean that production has stopped. Icom has not stopped production of the 706 series ...so stop worrying...

I was looking in http://www.randl.com online search. They claim in its homepage "We carry the complete Icom amateur line. If you do not see a product listed here, please call." and the IC-706-MKIIG it is not for sale, it has got 21 sales references for it, including the removable head, but the rig itself it is not for sale. If I am right it has been removed form the online catalog. It is still listed in their PDF general catalog for 799.95 USD but it does not come on the online catalog. Any of you in the US would mind to phone them at 800-221-7735 and maybe post the reason for the IC-706 removal? maybe the IC-7000? Major european seller http://www.wimo.de removed last month from its online catalog the IC-7400 (IC-746PRO) but replaced it after few days. Same rumours as for the IC-7000 have circulated about a IC-746PROII, and both rigs (706 & 746PRO) have had price cuts lately in the spanish market. Javier EA4CWY

I am going to Dayton thursday and will let you know what I can find out from ICOM! Maybe they will have something to see or at least talk about! Les, AA4F Look for me at the VIBROPLEX Booth!

Please take note that I have discovered an Icom IC-F7000 commercial HF radio on Icom Australia's web site. It is an "ALE" radio.Their web site is: www.icom.net.au It is listed under commercial radios. Could this radio be related to the expected IC-7000? Tom, K4YAZ uuhamfl@...

Are there any indications of the IC7000 being ALE capable? Steve KI0KY

Well I decided to ask Icom myself about the IC 7000. I emailed them. see their reply and my original inquiry. It is not a hoax per Icom... yet from what I see here. They are still undecided about some issues. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you very much for your inquiry. Icom Incorporated is developing many new products to meet the requests and expectations of out customers. The model IC-7000 is one of such models. Unfortunately, however, it is still too early to make any announcements on the specification, release timing and price etc, as such are still undecided. We will be announcing such details on our homepage, through dealers or magazines as soon as possible. We ask for your understanding in this situation and thank you in advance for your enquiry and patience regarding information from us. Kevin McClinton, W7JRL Technical Support Representative ICOM America, Inc. 2380 116th Ave. NE Bellevue, WA 98004 Ph. (425) 454-7619 Fax (425) 637-8417 www.icomamerica.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill [mailto:kyradio@...] Posted At: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:47 AM Posted To: Amateur Conversation: Icom ic 7000 Subject: Icom ic 7000 Icom I would like more information on the Icom IC 7000. I have not been able to find out when this radio will be released or what its approximate cost will be. I own several Icom radios and they work fine, chances are good that I would buy the IC 7000 when it and if it will be available. I have heard from a few that the IC 7000 Amateur radio is a hoax and will not be produced. Can you confirm or deny that this radio will be released at some time in the future? Any information that you provide would be most helpful. Thank You in Advance W4KYR Bill in KY

This is the IC-F7000. It is not what we are looking for. Richard IC-7000 Specifications. This information is taken directly off of the Icom IC-F7000 brochure.. GENERAL. Frequency coverage. Receive 0.5- 29.9999(continuous)MHz Transmit 1.6-29.9999. MHz . Some frequency ranges are not guaranteed.. Type of emission. J3E and A3E only at factory default for. Australia version.. J3E (USB, LSB) J2B (AFSK) F1B (FSK) A1A (CW) A3E (AM). Temperature range. 10°C to +60°C; +14°F to +140°F. Antenna Impedance. 50 ohms(SO-239). 50Hz (at -10°C to 60°C; +14 to +140°F). ...

Pretty quiet around here lately so I'm going to play Devil'a advocate and stir up some discussion by posing the question... Could the supposed IC-7000 indeed be a hoax ? The rumored press release in the May issue of Japanese CQ magazine never came to be. There are radio dealers that are outright declaring it a load of bunk. Icom won't say Yay or Nay. Everything thus far has been rumor and speculation. Of course Icom *will* eventually replace the IC-706 with something new but was the whole hype about the IC-7000 just somebody's well graphically cut & pasted pipe dream ? If I don't see or hear of anything at Dayton then maybe I should just go ahead and buy that FT-857D. 73 de Hugh VA3TO :)

After being a member of this group for some months, I am still not inpressed by the design of the unit. I was hoping that Icom would come up with their version of the Yaesu FT-897 field rig. I'm an avid Icom fan and I'm ready to buy a field portable HF+ rig. The 897 has a bulletproof exterior. The interior is subject to opinion. In conclusion I must say that I love the proposed display but the radio as a whole seems like it would be happy in a yuppie SUV rather than the field. Just my thoughts... 73 Dan.

Here in Spain the IC-7400 (746 PRO) has had a price cut of 25%, it was a bit expensive before, but now it cost the same than a Yaesu 897 and an non-Yaesu auto tuner. That made me buy it. So it has become very competitive. I am happy with a proven and mature model at a good price. Price of rigs it is not specially low, in Spain, but now ICOM has lower prices in Spain than in a large shop in Germany. Price in that german shop for a yaesu 897 is 20% lower than in Spain. ICOM is by far the most competitive brand. The barebone Kenwood TS-50 is 12% more expensive than IC-706. Price of 706 with DPS in Spain is about 88% of a barebone Yaesu 897D. In Germany the 706 is about 10% more expensive than Yaesu 897 So it is a local policy of ICOM Spain, that has been taken over by ICOM Japan, before it was a local representative. Now it is much better. I like "mature" rigs, (and cars), I hate to pay for manufacturer's mistakes in new born rigs, and having already the IC-7400, I am thinking and thinking about buying a 706, now that all the problems are solved, and price is interesting, and wait for the IC-7000 for a couple of years, when teething problems are solved. I just hate the price of extra filters in 706. I admit I like to own nice rigs, I have (and use) some classic receivers too. So do not try to find a rational behaviour, it is just my hobby. I would not expend a cent in tranmission, except for a narrow filter and a nice mike. But I love to have every feature in good receivers, my main hobby really is to listen. To tell the truth most of my Ham activity is made with a Yaesu FT-101- ZD-MKIII, I made some Fox Tango modifications to it some 20 years ago, and I feel confortable having all knobs at sight. And I am thinking more about buying another one if I find it, than disposing of it. But really the ICOM IF-DSP is top of class. I love it. And yes.. something is coming, soon. Javier EA4CWY --- In ic7000@..., MKM <starlight04@g...> wrote: > > Considering that the 7400 will also be replaced in the near future with > a "pro2" model, the 7000 fits nicely where it fits in terms of > value/performance. > > FYI, the 746pro here has a $200 rebate plus some more rebates plus a > free power supply. Maybe an indication of a new model soon!? > >

Unfortunately I can only add two optional filters to my Icom IC-706mkiiG I currently have the 250 Hz, and the 500 Hz optional filters installed (I am a code freak) I have a 1.9 kHz optional filter for SSB Narrow but there is nowhere inside the IC-706mkiiG to plug it. At one point I was thinking about unsoldering(!) the 2.4 kHz default SSB filter and replacing it with the 1.9 kHz narrow SSB soldered in its place. ICOM said it would boycott the radio if I did that to it, and hinted that there would be all sorts of untoward consequences, as the default filter is used for Transmit as well as for Receive. A memory bank of user-selectible filter parameters would be in my mind a big asset, if the IC-7000 comes with an IF Digital Signal Processor.

Of course I was meaning 7000, not 7400. A 706 plus 2 filters will approach the 7000 price range. And the "insides" was meaning the 706 insides. I hope this makes all clearer > The only problem I see it is the price of extra filters. If all this is true a 706 plus 2 filters will be in the price range of 7400 or above. And by now we (Hams) know ALL about its insides. > > 73's > Javier EA4CWY

Any news to report? p49k

Is there any word on whether the IC-7000 bandscope will be operational during receive (AF), like my 756PRO, or will the receiver be disabled when using the bandscope like the 706 ? 73 de Hugh VA3TO

Really excuse Bill, for not knowing certainly who R&L in Hamilton Ohio is. If is is a dealer, or a local representative they may have very strict instructions on how to deal with this or any simmilar matter. Or they may have a huge stock of other radios too. The information I got is not from a dealer, I love them, I buy from them, I support my local dealer, but I dont always trust them. When there is a new product, the developper produces black ink like the squid, or put the drape in front of your eyes, like the bullfighter does with the bull. They really hate leakages that are not "their" leakages. They will only leak for QST, for Dayton, in a way or another. ?who knows? R&L might be right. They even can be fully honest, but they can be "used" by someone. The news products are introduced at special events, like new cars, or lady fashion, ICOM will not answer direct questions from me or you. But we all in this group we think that have smelt something. That is why we are here, like a cat looking at a bird. I agree that pictures in some webs may not be accurate, specially because it is difficult to operate so many features, with so few knobs. Just check a IC-746-PRO and imagine to operate the rig with 2 concentric knobs. Weight scale from a 706 to a 746 is 1:3,5 and the display of the 746 is 3x4". So think about something larger than the 706, if it has to incorporate Icom's state of art IF-DSP. In Spain ICOM is Icom Japan themselves, not a representative, and they deal directly with our Administration that requires some "special things" like in the IC-7400 (IC746-pro), there are what I think are too strict regulations, but they have to be incorporated at the production site. I guess other countries will require "their" requestS and ICOM will have to fulfil then making only ONE radio and then placing some clever diode o briges to produce different versions. I mean they are talking, but it will take time. I got my new IC-7400 (746-PRO in USA) and the spanish certification that comes on top of European Union'S "ERTTD 1999/5/EC" certification makes that my rig RECEIVES ONLY in EU bands, like 7.0 to 7,1 Mhz in 40m band, so I have to work USA Hams using another receiver in 40 and 80m bands. It is not a general coverage receiver at all. Nothing to do with the 150kHz to 60Mhz receive elsewhere Except on countries with ICOM homologation #4,8, and 9 (see below). What I mean is that our local certification takes longer than in other EU countries or comes after EU certification. As far as I know each of these certifications carry a number, it does not mean it will be in the market in that order, it is just the way ICOM identify their model. EU is #03,France #04, Denmark #05, Italy #8 and Spain and Portugal #9. I guess Japan is #1 and USA #2, or opposite. And here the IC-7000 is expected to be in the market by september, and quite sure we will not be the first ones getting them. As USA it is the largest market, and probably less regulated with no special limitations, it is my guess that "something" will come from ICOM at Dayton, I suggested "at least a brochure" nothing more. I am quite sure that we will not be able to buy a certified rig here before september. But I am quite sure I will see something in June 24th at Friedrichshafen, Germany that is our "European Dayton" regarding Ham radio. Dayton in May, Friedrichshafen in the end of June, if by July 1st we have not hearded about the IC-7000, then maybe we will have to wait a whole year. As I said, local markets may have to wait for a while, I know we are never the first ones. For me even Xmas will be OK, I have to get used to my new IC-7400 even if I hate that (my version) it is not a general coverage receiver. Not general receiver, but excellent the IC-7400, if the new IC-7000 is similar it will be a winner. IF-DSP makes a difference. Javier EA4CWY --- In ic7000@..., "Bill" <kyradio@i...> wrote: > I went to R and L in HAMilton Ohio, I asked them about the Icom - 7000 . > > So if R and L says it doesn't exist, then how could someone from Spain or any other country know something that a Icom dealer or Icom rep.doesn't? > > Bill in KY > W4KYR >

I guess the rig is already finished, I hearded good rumors that it is in the process of aproval in Spain (similar to FCC), and it will not be before september in local marked. But... ?What about Dayton? I guess there will be something at Dayton, at least some brochures. I am buying this week a IC-7400 (IC-746PRO in USA), the naked 706 it is here now about 900 Euro, so I guess the IC-7000 will be placed below 1.100 Euro. It cannot be higher in price without interfere with the IC-7400 that has tuner included, but no UHF. 1 Euro it is about 1,3 USD now. Rigs are not specially inexpensive in Spain, compared to USA, the FT- 897D it is now a silly 1000 Euro in Spain, much lower price in Germany. In fact I think Icom-Spain it is now being managed ?and owned? by Icom-Japan, and there have been substantial price cuts, so they are probably the most price competitive rigs over here, after many years of lousy management by several ICOM representatives. I have not hearded anything about TV reception, and as long as it is a scaled down IC-7400 with UHF, it will be a rig of special interest. Having the DSP, I think the pictures circulating may not be accurate, because a main feature it is easy reach of bandwith control (Low cut/high cut of bandwith) that requires a double knob "a la" shift/width. The IC-7400 has RTTY reception, so it may be more difficult to remove it for the 7000 that leave it.. even if it will be unreadable in a car. My only concern with this rig is image rejection based only probably on a monolithic 64,455MHz Xtal filter, but I have never hearded about anybody complaining about it in the IC-7400. Upper class Icom rigs have a very sophisticated image cancellation by phase controll. This rig has/had a problem with static discharge, but has been aknowledged by Icom in a bulletin, that refers to 2 PIN diode placed in oposition. The static discharge damaged totaly transmission in all modes all bands. I am asking my IC-7400 to be modified before it is delivered to me. I guess this will be corrected in the IC-7000. A mobile rig is 1000 times more prone to static discharge. Javier EA4CWY

Does anyone know or have heard whether the IC7000 will have a built-in tuner or not? Tony WA2LNC

You bring up a valid point Adam. It's about time the big three start incorporating Flash upgrade capability into Ham rigs. Put a Flash ROM micro in there instead of an OTP part (I'll gladly pay the extra $5) with bootloader code and the appropriate interface to allow us to update the firmware if and when fixes/updates become available. Granted, there will always be the odd case of someone who messes up the bootloader and ends up having to take the rig in to be serviced but I'd like to think that we technical folks won't run into that too often. The usual risks and warnings would apply. My non-technical neighbor can Flash upgrade his computer motherboard but I can't do it with my $1000 Ham rig. What gives ? As far as I know only Tentec has gone there. 73 de Hugh VA3TO Adam Farson wrote: > That would be a function of the DSP. If it is not offered as part of the > package, there will be no practical way for the user to add it. > > Cheers for now, 73, > Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: p49k [mailto:n1kk@...] > Sent: 01 April 2005 11:16 > To: ic7000@... > Subject: [ic7000] Re: FW: IC-7000 > > > > If this is true a mod to offer ATV TX would be great! > That will really make the rig different > > p49k > > --- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote: > > According to my information from Japan, TVRO (broadcast TV) > reception will > > be a feature of the IC-7000. We shall have to wait for the official > product > > announcement to be certain. > > > > Here is an excellent reason to buy the IC-7000, even without TVRO: > It is a > > 100% IF-DSP-based radio, with the capabilities (and likely much of the > > performance) of the IC-756Pro3 and IC-746Pro, in a small mobile package. > > There are no filters to buy either! > > > > Cheers for now, 73, > > Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: p49k [mailto:n1kk@n...] > > Sent: 01 April 2005 06:24 > > To: ic7000@... > > Subject: [ic7000] Re: FW: IC-7000 > > > > > > > > Would ATV (video) reception be a rumor or a wish for the IC-7000. I'm > > thinking about getting but can't come up with a reason yet. > > > > p49k > > > > --- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote: > > > Hi Ismail, > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I can see that. (Excuse the pun!) The primary usage of the TVRO > > feature > > > will probably be in Japan, where most TV broadcasting is over-the-air. > > > > > > Cheers for now, 73, > > > Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ke6tln@j... [mailto:ke6tln@j...] > > > Sent: 30 March 2005 16:21 > > > To: ic7000@... > > > Subject: RE: [ic7000] FW: IC-7000 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Adam, > > > > > > The capability of TV reception is a welcome addition for those of us > > who are > > > involved in ATV and would like to have the combined capability of > > conversing > > > in VHF/UHF and watching the output of an ATV repeater on, say 421.250. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Ismail, KT6LN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ed, > > > > > > I believe this refers to domestic delivery in Japan. The FCC > > certification > > > process will delay US release, probably until 3Q/2005. > > > > > > The TV-receive capability will be of little use in Canada, as almost > > 100% of > > > TV service is on cable or satellite and there are very few > > over-the-air TV > > > transmitters left. Much of the UHF-TV spectrum has been > reallocated to > > > land-mobile and wireless services. > > > > > > Cheers for now, 73, > > > Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scanned by WinProxy > > > http://www.Ositis.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scanned by WinProxy > > http://www.Ositis.com/ > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > Scanned by WinProxy > http://www.Ositis.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ic7000/ > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ic7000-unsubscribe@... > <mailto:ic7000-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > >

I guess that to avoid image frequency reception the IC-7000 will have a Xtal filter at 1st IF 64.455 MHz, as some other Icom rigs. This Xtal filter has 15KHz bandwith, so any mode this beauty can receive will have to pass that filter. It is long ago since I made ATV fully analogic in 430 MHz, and I dont know the TV modes used today. But anyway the 15KHz limit will apply in this rig. The IC-7400 (IC746 PRO) I am getting in a couple of days (monday) has RTTY reception, etc. So anything that can be made within the physical limits is possible. But the main point with the IC-7000 is to have state of the art technolgy in such small package, including UHF (IC- 7400 has not). I own some top class classic rigs, and they will not be scrapped at all because the IC-7400 is coming, same for the IC-7000. Maybe I will get one too when it is available. I make a lot of casual listening, with a simple wire as an antenna, and this little jewel and a small lead acid gel battery, can make the best possible receiver iever in its price/weight range. As the technology is coming from big brothers (IC746 pro.... and many) I hope the rig will be OK from the very beguinning. I will pay 1480 Euro for the IC-7400 (includes autotuner), the barebone 706 it is now 890 Euro (audio DSP, but no filters), FT-897D sells for 1000 Euro here, but 900E somewhere in Europe, and old trusty barebone TS-50 is about 900 Euro. So yourselves can guess the price range of the future IC7000. My IC7400 (746PRO) has had recently a price cut of 20% (it was close to 2000 Euro before). My guess for a max price for the IC7000 will be 1.100 Euro in Spain, that means about 1000 USD in USA large mail selling stores. Yes 1 Euro=1,3 USD, but so it is life and local markets. Due to small market size in Spain compared to USA, the price in Euro here it is usually 5 to 10% higher that the price in USA at large mail sellers, I dont know prices in local USA towns (Support your local dealer or it will disapear). Javier EA4CWY