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Hi Buck,

Yes, the IC-7000 will use DSP filtering in the final IF. This is the same
technology as used in the IC-756Pro series, the IC-746Pro/7400 and the
IC-7800.



The ultimate performance of the DSP-IF subsystem - dynamic range, noise
floor, filter shape factors, noise reduction etc. is a function of the ADC
(analogue/digital converter) which is the interface between the analogue
RF/IF chain and the DSP. The faster the DSP chip, the better the filter
shape factors, NR etc. are likely to be. All the current Icom DSP-based
radios use a 24-bit ADC and DAC and a 32-bit floating-point DSP. The 756Pro
series uses the ADI SHARC, whilst the 746Pro and 7800 use faster TI devices.
The ADC used in the 756Pro series has a slightly better noise floor than
that of the 746Pro. The 7800 uses very high-quality ADC's which are rather
costly.

The demands placed on the DAC (digital/analogue converter are rather less
than those which the ADC has to meet, although the DAC plays an important
role in setting the dynamic range of the transmitter. The ADC is the key to
the receiver; if it degrades the incoming IF signal, all that information is
lost forever and cannot be recovered.

There are a number of articles covering these topics (and others) on my Icom
page.



Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ

I believe that Dave was referring to the IC-7000 itself. The 7000 will
replace the 706 line; I am speculating that there will also be a low-power
version to accommodate the Japanese 10W licence. It will replace the 703
series.

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ

Buck, I agree. The new rig could be 2 - 3 times more than a 706 (I hope not). Just like the Pro3 is 3 times the price of a 746Pro. This is only conjecture on my part, but is based on the price of other new radios they have come out with. I guess we iwll not know until it happens.

Mike, W4KTX

Mark,
Can you share the link to the manual? I am very interested in taking a
closer look.

Thanks,
Mike

Hi all .. wow, what a busy group for its age! HIHI ... you know, I love the looks of what I've seen in the pix .. I downloaded the manual, etc ... my problem is age is taking its toll on my eyes, an I can just picture going down the road trying to take advantage of the mini screen on the 7??? ---- and if it's there, I want to use it .. HIHI This would be a great time for someone (not me!) to jump in and manufacture a great accessory, a plug-in flat BIG SCREEN (12VDC) monitor that replicates (?) the face of the rig .. .. something one could Velcro to the dash, etc..... an entrepreneur could make a killing!
I have been using (by choice) my MKIIG as a home station for the last few months just to really learn to run it, which is hard to do while mobile. I have been very impressed with its capabilities during contests, etc... Right after I get my new PROIII in a couple months, I will start a piggy bank for a 7??? if it pans out.
73, and Howdy! to all -- Mark, AA6DX Eureka, FAR NORTHERN CALIFORNIA


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Hmm, I think that's the same with mine. Maybe we should inform the
distributor that he needs to pack them better.

Thanks for the comments. It makes sense. I don't know what price the 706
came out as, but what they retail for now. I do know they went up in price
for a while. (I guess the dollar fell).

73,
Buck N4PGW

--- "Buck (N4PGW)" <na4fm-list@...> wrote:

I realize that the cost of technology drops over time, and
with inflation, prices rise a bit, but at this point I am wondering if
the rig might not be priced considerably higher than the 706. Around
here, a few hams are thinking it will be in the $1500 US range.

My first inclination was to say aroung $1300--didn't the 706 hover in
about that range for a while? However, $1500 puts it in the 746PRO price
range, which I don't think they'll want to do. Even $1300 puts it quite a
bit above its competitors in the mobile rig arena. I'm guessing about
$1100--a little higher than the TS-480 series, $300 or so above the
FT-857. It may start out higher, but drop fairly soon.

All this info comes from a cracked crystal ball, of course...hi.
73,
Paul K4PDM


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--- "Dr. Howard S. White" <drpaper@...> wrote:

IC-7000 is likely the EU number...
The US Number will likely be IC-7XX where XX is to be determined.

I was going to bring up this possibility. Also, don't forget that the
receiver has an "R" before the 7000.
My guess is, since ICOM seems to be edging closer to using the same model
designator worldwide, that it will use the same designator here as
elsewhere, although who really knows...? It might end up not being IC-7000
anywhere!

Thanks for the group, guys!
73,
Paul K4PDM

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Buck,

DSP filtering and demodulation/modulation is also used in Ten Tec receivers and transceivers from the $329 RX-320D to the $3300 Orion. DSP filtering is not necessarily better that crystal lattice filtering; it depends the receiver design, on the processing powerof the DSP chip (or chips) and the dynamic range of the A/D converter. The Orion uses more powerful DSP's than the RX-320D. As a matter of fact, the Main receiver of the Orion uses crystal filters for the front end roofing filtering.

The more powerful DSP's are more expensive and consume more power, but the price and power consumption comes down as newer generations of IC's are introduced. It's a tradeoff on price, performance and power dissipation. Let's see what ICOM comes up with...

73,

Mike N2MS

Hello to all and thank you to the moderator of this reflector.

Ever since I have seen the IC-7000, I have been reading and talking about
it. Like most of us here, I have considered it the new IC-706 radio but
after all I have read and seen, I have begun to think that 7000 is to the
706 what the 756 pro is to the 746 pro.

What weighs most strongly is the fact that it will use electronic filtering
rather than the crystal lattice filter. If I recall, isn't this the same
filtering technology used in the IC-7800, the $10,000 radio?

From what I gather, the 706 is the most popular mobile HF radio on the
market with sales greatly exceeding its runner-up. Right now it sells for
about $800 US. I realize that the cost of technology drops over time, and
with inflation, prices rise a bit, but at this point I am wondering if the
rig might not be priced considerably higher than the 706. Around here, a
few hams are thinking it will be in the $1500 US range.

What do you all think?

Buck
N4PGW

Keith, you make some good points. When the new one comes out, the older ones should have some great pricing.

I am a Pro3 owner, so this new rig as you said, looks like a mini-Pro3. I need to start saving my pennys for the end of this year.

Mike, W4KTX

What is different in the latest version of the 706MkIIG?

Keep in mind!, The 706MKIIG is a proven rig. I have never heard a bad one on the air.
In my case, I own 3 and have never had any problems with them over the past few years.
I started with the 706MKII and eventually sold on eBay and got all MKIIG's.
This new radio has been over due...
It looks like a "Baby PRO-III" from the picture.

This new transceiver will be an opportunity for you go purchase one of those at a reduced price from someone looking to upgrade.
Amateur Radio Clubs, Schools, etc. use them a lot for Field Day and Emergency Gear, so it may also be a good time to Donate them.
I purchased a new one at Dayton last year for $749.00 as a spare, field day radio.
I can remember when the 706MKII came out it was selling for $1395.00
I waited and got mine for $1195.00, then as time went on the IIG came out, and the price hung in the $995.00 range with rebates, etc.

I look forward to seeing the more detail specs on the radio. What is in the PDF file from the Magazine that is on the web just wasn't enough.
We need to keep an eye on the Icom Japan website for updates. They usually go first, and the US lags behind waiting for FCC Compliance.

Running HF Mobile is a lot of fun. Especially if you sit in traffic for long period of time, or drive long distances.
You quickly program the memories for the 40M Nets, and the DX Nets on 15M and 20M.
I have a Digital Voice Recorder that can hold 4 hours on the visor. So I just push the record button and start talking.
Then later, I go back and update the log and send out QSL Cards.

I frequently travel on extended trips, and carry a small generator with me and large power supply.
That way I can find a park or in some cities a high spot where there is a road going up to a water tower to work DX.

73,
Keith, K4KAL

Be aware that ICOM has not yet rolled out it's latest version of the 706MKIIG: it has been announced in France. We'll probably see it this summer or fall here in the states.
See Megahertz Magazine, Feb 2005 issue for details.
73, Dave, W1DEC

I had been toying with the idea of the 706MkIIG for the truck. Only have a 2M/70cm rig in there now. Now I mna glad I waited. This sounds like the one I will want. I can't wait for more information to be available

No sign of announcement in Japan yet, but I'm sure the dream will come
true soon!

Wish it had a 1.2G also.

It might give a chance to Yaesu/Kenwood to make something like
FT-817+1.2G or TS-2000 compact etc. More choices for us ;-)

rin JG1VGX

Not shure. What is the number for the IC-7800 in the States? ;-))

--- In ic7000@..., "Dr. Howard S. White" <drpaper@m...>
wrote:

IC-7000 is likely the EU number...

The US Number will likely be IC-7XX where XX is to be determined.

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"Awfully Extremely Six Sado Masochist"


----- Original Message -----
From: Keith LaBorde - K4KAL
To: ic7000@...
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [ic7000] Announced in Dayton?


I'm not saying this is a hoax...
But didn't Icom already use the IC-7000 name for a receiver

already?

Keith, K4KAL
----- Original Message -----
From: kitdalton_page
To: ic7000@...
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:23 PM
Subject: [ic7000] Announced in Dayton?



I guess this rig will be announced in Dayton assuming it's not

an adobe

Photoshop hoax? Any speculation to share out there?








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IC-7000 is likely the EU number...

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Guys,

I have been anxiously waiting for a new Icom Mobile. Every year at Dayton I asked the same question, and they say NO.
I own three 706MKIIg's. I have one in each vehicle, and a spare in the closet for field day, etc.

I exchanged a few emails with High Sierra today to confirm that there I-Box Controller will still plug into the new IC-7000.
Jim must have known about the radio or talked to Icom because he said it would work with no problems.
The IC-7000 has the same plug on the rear as the 706 Series. So there looks to be some compatibility.

I know he sells his antenna's all over the world, so I was glad to here that my 1800/Pro and Sidekick will work with no problems.
I am sure I will get one of these new radio's when they are available.
My big wish is they increased the output power?

I guess we will see it under the glass at Dayton 2005.

Keith, K4KAL


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