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Re: FW: IC-7000
According to my information from Japan, TVRO (broadcast TV) reception will
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be a feature of the IC-7000. We shall have to wait for the official product announcement to be certain. Here is an excellent reason to buy the IC-7000, even without TVRO: It is a 100% IF-DSP-based radio, with the capabilities (and likely much of the performance) of the IC-756Pro3 and IC-746Pro, in a small mobile package. There are no filters to buy either! Cheers for now, 73, Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ -----Original Message-----
From: p49k [mailto:n1kk@...] Sent: 01 April 2005 06:24 To: ic7000@... Subject: [ic7000] Re: FW: IC-7000 Would ATV (video) reception be a rumor or a wish for the IC-7000. I'm thinking about getting but can't come up with a reason yet. p49k --- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote: Hi Ismail,feature will probably be in Japan, where most TV broadcasting is over-the-air.who are involved in ATV and would like to have the combined capability ofconversing in VHF/UHF and watching the output of an ATV repeater on, say 421.250. Hi Ed,certification process will delay US release, probably until 3Q/2005.100% of TV service is on cable or satellite and there are very fewover-the-air TV transmitters left. Much of the UHF-TV spectrum has been reallocated to Yahoo! Groups Links Scanned by WinProxy |
Re: FW: IC-7000
Would ATV (video) reception be a rumor or a wish for the
IC-7000. I'm thinking about getting but can't come up with a reason yet. p49k --- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote: Hi Ismail,feature will probably be in Japan, where most TV broadcasting is over-the-air.who are involved in ATV and would like to have the combined capability ofconversing in VHF/UHF and watching the output of an ATV repeater on, say 421.250. Hi Ed,certification process will delay US release, probably until 3Q/2005.100% of TV service is on cable or satellite and there are very fewover-the-air TV transmitters left. Much of the UHF-TV spectrum has been reallocated to |
Re: IC-7000 pricing / availability; roofing filter
Hi Hugh,
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Actually, all receivers with an up-converting first mixer use one or more roofing filters which do not determine the receiver's ultimate selectivity. A roofing filter is defined as an IF filter immediately following a mixer. The purpose of the roofing filter is twofold: 1. To reject the image resulting from the mixing process. 2. To reduce the statistical likelihood that strong signals falling within the bandwidth of the RF preselector, but outside the bandwidth of selectivity-determining IF filters further down the receiver's IF chain, will overdrive the ADC and/or the IF stages preceding it. (In an analogue receiver, these signals can overload mixers and IF amplifiers downstream of the roofing filter, if the roofing filter passes them.) The roofing filter is not a selectivity-determining filter. It must be sufficiently wide to pass the entire TOBW of the widest emission the receiver is intended to process. In the Icom Pro series, both the 1st and 2nd mixer are followed by roofing filters. The filter centre frequencies are 64.455 MHz and 455 kHz respectively, and their -6 dB bandwidth is 15 kHz to pass FM. The IF-DSP filters determine the receiver's ultimate selectivity. Perhaps the most authoritative short article on roofing filters I have seen is one which my friend George W5YR (sadly, SK) contributed to my IC-756Pro/Pro2 User Review in 2002: Another fine article on this topic, also authored by George: Cheers for now, 73, Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ -----Original Message-----
From: Huze@work [mailto:hduff@...] Sent: 30 March 2005 12:00 To: ic7000@... Subject: Re: [ic7000] Re: IC-7000 pricing / availability Hi Adam; I must admit that I haven't really read up on the IC-703 and I suppose that I made an incorrect assumption that it was based on IC-706 since it uses the same chassis and front panel. That little QRP rig must be a hottie in it's own right. So the IC-7000 will have a roofing filter too ? Wow ! It will be interesting to see the RX performance specs for this baby. Sounds like it should even rival many of the higher mid-range base rigs currently on the market. As someone else on the list said, you have to believe this has the 'other guys' worried and racing to play catch-up. Can't wait for it ! Wouldn't it be nice if Icom produced a satellite rig ala FT-847 (gotta give Yaesu *some* kudos :) based on a similar platform to the IC-7000 ? 73 de Hugh VA3TO Scanned by WinProxy |
Re: FW: IC-7000
Hi Ismail,
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Yes, I can see that. (Excuse the pun!) The primary usage of the TVRO feature will probably be in Japan, where most TV broadcasting is over-the-air. Cheers for now, 73, Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ -----Original Message-----
From: ke6tln@... [mailto:ke6tln@...] Sent: 30 March 2005 16:21 To: ic7000@... Subject: RE: [ic7000] FW: IC-7000 Hi Adam, The capability of TV reception is a welcome addition for those of us who are involved in ATV and would like to have the combined capability of conversing in VHF/UHF and watching the output of an ATV repeater on, say 421.250. Regards, Ismail, KT6LN Hi Ed, I believe this refers to domestic delivery in Japan. The FCC certification process will delay US release, probably until 3Q/2005. The TV-receive capability will be of little use in Canada, as almost 100% of TV service is on cable or satellite and there are very few over-the-air TV transmitters left. Much of the UHF-TV spectrum has been reallocated to land-mobile and wireless services. Cheers for now, 73, Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ Scanned by WinProxy |
Still waiting for certification
nicolasc33
I guess the rig is already finished, I hearded good rumors that it is
in the process of aproval in Spain (similar to FCC), and it will not be before september in local marked. But... ?What about Dayton? I guess there will be something at Dayton, at least some brochures. I am buying this week a IC-7400 (IC-746PRO in USA), the naked 706 it is here now about 900 Euro, so I guess the IC-7000 will be placed below 1.100 Euro. It cannot be higher in price without interfere with the IC-7400 that has tuner included, but no UHF. 1 Euro it is about 1,3 USD now. Rigs are not specially inexpensive in Spain, compared to USA, the FT- 897D it is now a silly 1000 Euro in Spain, much lower price in Germany. In fact I think Icom-Spain it is now being managed ?and owned? by Icom-Japan, and there have been substantial price cuts, so they are probably the most price competitive rigs over here, after many years of lousy management by several ICOM representatives. I have not hearded anything about TV reception, and as long as it is a scaled down IC-7400 with UHF, it will be a rig of special interest. Having the DSP, I think the pictures circulating may not be accurate, because a main feature it is easy reach of bandwith control (Low cut/high cut of bandwith) that requires a double knob "a la" shift/width. The IC-7400 has RTTY reception, so it may be more difficult to remove it for the 7000 that leave it.. even if it will be unreadable in a car. My only concern with this rig is image rejection based only probably on a monolithic 64,455MHz Xtal filter, but I have never hearded about anybody complaining about it in the IC-7400. Upper class Icom rigs have a very sophisticated image cancellation by phase controll. This rig has/had a problem with static discharge, but has been aknowledged by Icom in a bulletin, that refers to 2 PIN diode placed in oposition. The static discharge damaged totaly transmission in all modes all bands. I am asking my IC-7400 to be modified before it is delivered to me. I guess this will be corrected in the IC-7000. A mobile rig is 1000 times more prone to static discharge. Javier EA4CWY |
Re: IC-7000 pricing / availability
Paul Manuel
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The USD 1474 price is the Japanese domestic MSRP. I would expect the USAdam, Just for the record, the FT-857D has audio DSP as standard and can be had for $709 US. However, I am not upset with the price of the 7000--right in the ballpark I figured. I may not get one, but I think it is reasonable. Thanks for the info. 73, Paul K4PDM __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. |
Fw: IC 7000
tstrickland
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From: Service To: 'tstrickland' Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:15 PM Subject: RE: IC 7000 Dear Sir, We are aware of the rumors that are circulating the internet at present. These rumors are not accurate information. There will always be new equipment in development to replace existing equipment; release dates on these pieces of equipment will always be rumored on the internet. Until such time that the product is an actual working item, everything is speculation. When such an item is ready for release then all the Icom distributors will release information on there web pages respectfully. Nick Wall Icom Canada Service Dept. 604.952.4266 (Phone) 604.952.0090 (Fax) www.icomcanada.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tstrickland [mailto:tstrickland@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:52 AM To: service@... Subject: IC 7000 Goodmorning Could you tell me if there is a IC 7000 too be available for 2005. Thank you |
Re: FW: IC-7000
Hi Adam,
The capability of TV reception is a welcome addition for those of us who are involved in ATV and would like to have the combined capability of conversing in VHF/UHF and watching the output of an ATV repeater on, say 421.250. Regards, Ismail, KT6LN Hi Ed, I believe this refers to domestic delivery in Japan. The FCC certification process will delay US release, probably until 3Q/2005. The TV-receive capability will be of little use in Canada, as almost 100% of TV service is on cable or satellite and there are very few over-the-air TV transmitters left. Much of the UHF-TV spectrum has been reallocated to land-mobile and wireless services. Cheers for now, 73, Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit to sign up today! |
Re: IC-7000 pricing / availability
Huze@work
Hi Adam;
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I must admit that I haven't really read up on the IC-703 and I suppose that I made an incorrect assumption that it was based on IC-706 since it uses the same chassis and front panel. That little QRP rig must be a hottie in it's own right. So the IC-7000 will have a roofing filter too ? Wow ! It will be interesting to see the RX performance specs for this baby. Sounds like it should even rival many of the higher mid-range base rigs currently on the market. As someone else on the list said, you have to believe this has the 'other guys' worried and racing to play catch-up. Can't wait for it ! Wouldn't it be nice if Icom produced a satellite rig ala FT-847 (gotta give Yaesu *some* kudos :) based on a similar platform to the IC-7000 ? 73 de Hugh VA3TO Adam Farson wrote: Hi Hugh, |
Re: IC-7000 pricing / availability
Hi Hugh,
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Many thanks for your comments. I rather suspect that the analogue RF/IF section of the IC-7000 will resemble that of the IC-703 more than that of the 706. The 703 uses a very clever, mostly relay-RF-switched RF preselector involving the ATU, the transmitter LPF bank and a diode-switched RF HPF bank behind the two relay-switched networks. This gives the front end very good strong-signal handling. The 1st mixer up-converts to a 64.455 MHz 1st IF, and the 2nd mixer down-converts this IF to 455 kHz in one step. Thus, the 9 MHz IF stage and filter are eliminated. I believe that Icom chose this IF arrangement as a prelude to an IF-DSP design. All that will be required is to add a 3rd mixer to down-convert the 455 kHz IF to 36 kHz to drive the ADC. A roofing filter will replace the current FL-65 ceramic 455 kHz SSB filter. Even if the IC-7000 does not have a built-in ATU (which I do not believe it has), the relay-switched transmit LPF bank and diode-switched HPF's will still provide good RF preselection if the filters are properly designed. With proper layout, shielding and decoupling, the 100W PA should not affect the DDS synthesiser. My only experience with Yaesu gear is with my Quadra amplifier, which is still chugging away like a faithful Energizer Bunny after more than 6 years of flawless service. It interfaces nicely with Icom exciters - it is already on its third! Cheers for now, 73, Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ -----Original Message-----
From: Huze@work [mailto:hduff@...] Sent: 30 March 2005 11:14 To: ic7000@... Subject: Re: [ic7000] Re: IC-7000 pricing / availability Hi Adam. US$1100 seems more reasonable to me. Like everyone else, I'm anxious to see this little beast ! I will probably try one out when they become available. With any luck the IC-7000 will be based on the faithful and robust IC-706 platform with the obvious circuitry changes to accomodate IF DSP (way cool ! ) and the other updates. And hopefully they will do thorough testing before releasing it for sale. That would be in contrast to Yaesu's recent trend of rushing new products to market and letting us Hams be their Beta testers :) I personally believe that they have reached the elastic limit of miniaturizing a 100 watt rig. Having a 100 watt transmitter a few inches away from a VFO sythesizer is tricky business, with greater chance of stray RF, ground loops and the like. The FT-100 and FT-857 surpassed the limit in my experience, and it evidently resulted in all sorts of problems. (I owned both and had problems with both, as did many others.) And how small do they need to make a mobile rig ?... The user interface is getting silly. If you have anything other than slender fingers you are in trouble. Reminds me of the calculator watches that required you to use a pen to poke at. I'll be content if the IC-7000 is of a simlar size as the IC-706. 73 de Hugh VA3TO Adam Farson wrote: Hi Hugh, Yahoo! Groups Links Scanned by WinProxy |
Re: IC-7000 pricing / availability
Maybe when this is released, it will bring the price back down on the 706s
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Re: IC-7000 pricing / availability
Huze@work
Hi Adam.
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US$1100 seems more reasonable to me. Like everyone else, I'm anxious to see this little beast ! I will probably try one out when they become available. With any luck the IC-7000 will be based on the faithful and robust IC-706 platform with the obvious circuitry changes to accomodate IF DSP (way cool ! ) and the other updates. And hopefully they will do thorough testing before releasing it for sale. That would be in contrast to Yaesu's recent trend of rushing new products to market and letting us Hams be their Beta testers :) I personally believe that they have reached the elastic limit of miniaturizing a 100 watt rig. Having a 100 watt transmitter a few inches away from a VFO sythesizer is tricky business, with greater chance of stray RF, ground loops and the like. The FT-100 and FT-857 surpassed the limit in my experience, and it evidently resulted in all sorts of problems. (I owned both and had problems with both, as did many others.) And how small do they need to make a mobile rig ?... The user interface is getting silly. If you have anything other than slender fingers you are in trouble. Reminds me of the calculator watches that required you to use a pen to poke at. I'll be content if the IC-7000 is of a simlar size as the IC-706. 73 de Hugh VA3TO Adam Farson wrote: Hi Hugh, |
Re: IC-7000 pricing / availability
Hi Hugh,
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The USD 1474 price is the Japanese domestic MSRP. I would expect the US "street" price to be around USD 1100. The IC-7000 is a totally different "animal" than the FT-857D. It is a 100% IF-DSP-based radio, whereas the FT-857D is an analogue design using crystal filters and an optional AF-DSP add-on. The IC-7000 will probably not bee too far behind the IC-746Pro (IC-7400) in overall performance. Cheers for now, 73, Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ -----Original Message-----
From: Huze@work [mailto:hduff@...] Sent: 30 March 2005 10:34 To: ic7000@... Subject: [ic7000] Re: IC-7000 pricing / availability Seems likely to me that the timing would coincide perfectly for an "unveiling" at Dayton. The US$1474 pricetag, if that is indeed what it will be in N.A., is a bit scary though. Albeit, the original 706 was up there when it first came out but going by todays pricing and in comparison to the cost of a new FT-857D at nearly half the price, I won't be lining up for an IC-7000. I was thinking US$1K-ish myself. 73 de Hugh VA3TO Adam Farson wrote:
Ed Thierbach wrote: 3) ICOM will unveil the detailed specifications in the middle ofDo you know (or can you guess :-) ) if this is delivery just in Japan, Yahoo! Groups Links Scanned by WinProxy |
Re: IC-7000 pricing / availability
Huze@work
Seems likely to me that the timing would coincide
perfectly for an "unveiling" at Dayton. The US$1474 pricetag, if that is indeed what it will be in N.A., is a bit scary though. Albeit, the original 706 was up there when it first came out but going by todays pricing and in comparison to the cost of a new FT-857D at nearly half the price, I won't be lining up for an IC-7000. I was thinking US$1K-ish myself. 73 de Hugh VA3TO Adam Farson wrote:
Ed Thierbach wrote: 3) ICOM will unveil the detailed specifications in the middle ofDo you know (or can you guess :-) ) if this is delivery just in Japan, |
Re: FW: IC-7000
Hi Ed,
I believe this refers to domestic delivery in Japan. The FCC certification process will delay US release, probably until 3Q/2005. The TV-receive capability will be of little use in Canada, as almost 100% of TV service is on cable or satellite and there are very few over-the-air TV transmitters left. Much of the UHF-TV spectrum has been reallocated to land-mobile and wireless services. Cheers for now, 73, Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ Scanned by WinProxy |
Re: FW: IC-7000
Keith LaBorde - K4KAL
As much as I would hope this is true, but I don't think FCC Type Acceptance would be done that fast.
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They may have it on display at Dayton, but not for sale until maybe the Shelby NC Hamfest a few months later. Keith, K4KAL ----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Thierbach To: ic7000@... Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [ic7000] FW: IC-7000 > 3) ICOM will unveil the detailed specifications in the middle of > April, > and start delivery at the end of April or the beginning of May. Do you know (or can you guess :-) ) if this is delivery just in Japan, or does it include US as well. (Think "big Dayton splash". :-) ) 73, -Ed- AB8OJ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ic7000-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
Re: FW: IC-7000
Ed Thierbach
3) ICOM will unveil the detailed specifications in the middle of April,Do you know (or can you guess :-) ) if this is delivery just in Japan, or does it include US as well. (Think "big Dayton splash". :-) ) 73, -Ed- AB8OJ |
FW: IC-7000
Here is some more information on IC-7000, from my contacts in Japan. It is,
of course, preliminary and unconfirmed. 1) The model number will be IC-7000. 2) The Japanese domestic price will be 10,000 to 20,000 Yen higher than that of the IC-706MKIIG, i.e. 148,000 to 158,000 Japanese Yen (USD 1474). 3) ICOM will unveil the detailed specifications in the middle of April, and start delivery at the end of April or the beginning of May. 4) The LCD could be larger than the picture shown on the French site. 5) The IC-7000 will have TV picture receive capability, like the IC-R3. Best 73, Adam, VA7OJ/AB4OJ Owner, Yahoo! ic7000 Group Scanned by WinProxy |
Re: IC-7000 Announcement in Japan
MKM
Adam,
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What a great news. I think the May issue is out sometimes in April so we have 3-4 weeks to go before we get some real information this time. I am so excited. At least we know Icom will not wait for Japan hamfair 2005 for the introduction. Real info soon folks! -best On Mar 28, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Adam Farson wrote:
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Info on IC-7000 has a new home
Ya`akov N. Miles
For info on the IC-7000, please point your browser at
ftp://ftp.yehudi.ca/ham-radio/Assorted/ic7000.pdf The location of this file has been MOVED so as directory ftp://ftp.yehudi.ca/ham-radio only contains items of current relevance to my ham shack. Please allow me to point out that I have an IC-706mkiiG on order from my Supplier here in Canada. I wanted to make sure I got another Icom IC-706mkiiG before Icom stopped making them ! |
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