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Re: [IC-7000] Scanning HF Memories

Alex Netherton
 

I suspect that the 7K is so new that no one has had trouble with that one yet, or, since I have not heard about it, if the radio is not that new a product (it's new to me!), it may not be a problem.

73 de KC4BO

Alex Netherton


On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 6:22 AM, <ryan@...> wrote:
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Howdy


I have recently programmed several HF frequencies across several bands into a single bank of memories in my IC-7000. I can then do a bank scan, which works quite well, however as the rig moves through the different bands I can hear relays click in and out from the rig.

My question being, what has been the group's experience with the wear induced by scanning on these components?

73

Ryan



Re: [IC-7000] TV Reception

 

I can confirm that the over the counter digital to standard converters will indeed work as the "front end" to enable the original analog NTSC capabilities of the 7000.... in regards to finding one that uses a 12 volt wall wart, they do exist with some searching. Otherwise open one up as we tinkerers are known to do and find where you can feed the box a clean filtered source of power (they might exist but I haven't run across one that has split rails with both positive and negative voltage requirements nor ones that require more than 9 to 12 Volts DC to run, official disclaimer though... your mileage may vary :-)

'73 - KG6IYN

Sent from my MOTOROLA ATRIX? HD on AT&T


Kent <khufford@...> wrote:

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I looked into doing that when the conversion first happen. I could not find a 12vdc converter box.?

On Jan 11, 2014, at 22:52, JIM FARLEY <jimfarley@...> wrote:

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I wonder?? Could you tune the IC-7000 to TV Channel 3 and feed in the input from one of the digital-to-analog converter boxes that were popular when the U.S. first switched to digital?? I don't have time to check it out right now, but the thought went thru my mind.

-- Jim
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From: "handymanowl@..." <handymanowl@...>
To: ic7000@...
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:03 AM
Subject: [IC-7000] TV Reception

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Any way to get TV Reception on the 7000 since the US went Digital?
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KH6OWL



Re: [IC-7000] TV Reception

Kent
 

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I looked into doing that when the conversion first happen. I could not find a 12vdc converter box.?

On Jan 11, 2014, at 22:52, JIM FARLEY <jimfarley@...> wrote:

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I wonder?? Could you tune the IC-7000 to TV Channel 3 and feed in the input from one of the digital-to-analog converter boxes that were popular when the U.S. first switched to digital?? I don't have time to check it out right now, but the thought went thru my mind.

-- Jim
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From: "handymanowl@..." <handymanowl@...>
To: ic7000@...
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:03 AM
Subject: [IC-7000] TV Reception

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Any way to get TV Reception on the 7000 since the US went Digital?
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KH6OWL



Re: [IC-7000] TV Reception

 

I wonder?? Could you tune the IC-7000 to TV Channel 3 and feed in the input from one of the digital-to-analog converter boxes that were popular when the U.S. first switched to digital?? I don't have time to check it out right now, but the thought went thru my mind.

-- Jim
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From: "handymanowl@..."
To: ic7000@...
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:03 AM
Subject: [IC-7000] TV Reception

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Any way to get TV Reception on the 7000 since the US went Digital?
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KH6OWL



Re: [IC-7000] Powering up the 7000

brian mackey
 

Yeah good point, Education before edification does save people money if they
allow it LOL

Brian Mackey
KC1MAC/AG
Hams don't let hams get stuck on 2 meter repeaters!

From: Alex Netherton <anetherton@...>
Reply-To: <ic7000@...>
Date: Friday, January 10, 2014 at 10:09 PM
To: <ic7000@...>
Subject: Re: [IC-7000] Powering up the 7000






Yes but from the question it looked like some edification might be in order.
A 250 watt amp on a 100 watt rig? Not the most effective use of money and I
doubt any 250 watt amp would accept 100 watts drive.
Plus, there is a reason why 250 watt HF amps are hard to find. They only
need about 5 watts drive. Ten-four?
73 de kc4bo

On Jan 10, 2014 8:26 PM, "brian mackey" <brian.mackey@...> wrote:





I don?t think the posters question was about the politics/pricing of owning
an amp, it was, as seen below. As odd as it sounds, people want what they
want, even if it does not make perfect sense.

New member today.

Anyone running a linear amp with the 7000?

Would like to run it up to 250 watts - not finding much on the internet
specific to myissue.

Brian Mackey
KC1MAC/AG
Hams don't let hams get stuck on 2 meter repeaters!

From: BT Yahoo!?2013 <robert.farey@...>
Reply-To: <ic7000@...>
Date: Friday, January 10, 2014 at 9:14 AM
To: <ic7000@...>
Subject: Re: [IC-7000] Powering up the 7000

Hi Brian
the difference is about 2 s points so why bother. there are some amplifiers
out there which can be adapted like the furuno marine hf power amplifier.
having accqired one it seems an like awful idea to to use it for the small
difference it could make.
costing some 2500 dollars us. Not that i paid that for it but it does make
me think it needs to be used for it's intended purpose. Best
regards robert G6LLP

From: brian mackey <brian.mackey@...>
To: ic7000@...
Sent: Friday, 10 January 2014, 12:15
Subject: Re: [IC-7000] Powering up the 7000



Yes I use the ameritron 811hd

Brian Mackey
KC1MAC/AG
Hams don't let hams get stuck on 2 meter repeaters!

From: <esmorrison1@...>
Reply-To: <ic7000@...>
Date: Thursday, January 9, 2014 at 8:02 PM
To: <ic7000@...>
Subject: [IC-7000] Powering up the 7000

New member today.

Anyone running a linear amp with the 7000?

Would like to run it up to 250 watts - not finding much on the internet
specific to myissue.














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Scanning HF Memories

 

Howdy


I have recently programmed several HF frequencies across several bands into a single bank of memories in my IC-7000. I can then do a bank scan, which works quite well, however as the rig moves through the different bands I can hear relays click in and out from the rig.

My question being, what has been the group's experience with the wear induced by scanning on these components?

73

Ryan


Re: [IC-7000] Safe RTTY Output??

 

Numeric mode? Never heard of that one before. Duty cycle yes.


TV Reception

 

Any way to get TV Reception on the 7000 since the US went Digital?

?

KH6OWL


Re: [IC-7000] Safe RTTY Output??

 

On all tranceiver : 30% of max power in numeric mode
So use 30W max.


Re: [IC-7000] Powering up the 7000

Alex Netherton
 

Yes but from the question it looked like some edification might be in order. A 250 watt amp on a 100 watt rig? Not the most effective use of money and I doubt any 250 watt amp? would accept 100 watts drive.
Plus, there is a reason why 250 watt HF amps are hard to find. They only need about 5 watts drive. Ten-four?
73 de kc4bo

On Jan 10, 2014 8:26 PM, "brian mackey" <brian.mackey@...> wrote:

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I don?t think the posters question was about the politics/pricing of owning
an amp, it was, as seen below. As odd as it sounds, people want what they
want, even if it does not make perfect sense.

New member today.

Anyone running a linear amp with the 7000?

Would like to run it up to 250 watts - not finding much on the internet
specific to myissue.

Brian Mackey
KC1MAC/AG
Hams don't let hams get stuck on 2 meter repeaters!

From: BT Yahoo!?2013 <robert.farey@...>
Reply-To: <ic7000@...>
Date: Friday, January 10, 2014 at 9:14 AM
To: <ic7000@...>
Subject: Re: [IC-7000] Powering up the 7000

Hi Brian
the difference is about 2 s points so why bother. there are some amplifiers
out there which can be adapted like the furuno marine hf power amplifier.
having accqired one it seems an like awful idea to to use it for the small
difference it could make.
costing some 2500 dollars us. Not that i paid that for it but it does make
me think it needs to be used for it's intended purpose. Best
regards robert G6LLP

From: brian mackey <brian.mackey@...>
To: ic7000@...
Sent: Friday, 10 January 2014, 12:15
Subject: Re: [IC-7000] Powering up the 7000



Yes I use the ameritron 811hd

Brian Mackey
KC1MAC/AG
Hams don't let hams get stuck on 2 meter repeaters!

From: <esmorrison1@...>
Reply-To: <ic7000@...>
Date: Thursday, January 9, 2014 at 8:02 PM
To: <ic7000@...>
Subject: [IC-7000] Powering up the 7000

New member today.

Anyone running a linear amp with the 7000?

Would like to run it up to 250 watts - not finding much on the internet
specific to myissue.






Re: Safe RTTY Output??

 

I run Pactor 3 data at 60 watts PEP without a problem. ?It is a 2.4 KHz bandwidth mode that can run over 90% TX duty cycle on long binary message transfers (>100 KB isn't unusual for agency messages with attachments). ?On numerous occasions my 7K has done that for several hours without a problem. ?The main reason I don't go above 60 watts is Pactor 3 needs very clean audio to decode the 18 tones used at speed level 6 (3600 bps) and IMD tends to increase at higher power.


Just keep an eye on the 7K's temperature gauge. ?If it heads into the red, you might want to decrease power a little. ?


Despite what other's say, I have no concerns running my 7K at 100 watts CW into a dummy load for 10 minutes key down (or longer) as long as the ambient room temperature is below about 95 F and the supply voltage is above 13 VDC. ?Neither of my 7K's seem to mind the heat. ?Both run much cooler than the quad-core CPU's in my computers (comparing HF PA FET's junction temperature to CPU on-board temperature diode sensor).


But you should always use the minimum power needed.


Steve, W3AHL

---In ic7000@..., <mark@...> wrote:

I'm planning on playing around with NAQP RTTY contest next month. I know the general rule of thumb for 100% duty cycle modes is to reduce output 50%. Is this a safe output for the 7K? Should it by less/more?
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73 - Mark Schoonover - KA6WKE
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Re: [IC-7000] Safe RTTY Output??

Billy McFarland
 

Hello

I run the IC7000 at 30w for rtty no more. It'll go bang! Other wise. Hihi

73 de GM0OBX billy



From: Alex Netherton ;
To: ;
Subject: Re: [IC-7000] Safe RTTY Output??
Sent: Fri, Jan 10, 2014 9:04:44 PM

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Remember the 7K has a reputation for getting hot. I would run no more than 25!
73 de KC4BO

Alex Netherton


On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:34 PM, D C _Mac_ Macdonald <k2gkk@...> wrote:
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Personally, for heavy contest work, I'd suggest keeping output using RTTY (or other data modes) at the 25-30 Watt level as a maximum.
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* 73 - Mac, K2GKK/5 *
* (Since 30 Nov 53) *
* Oklahoma City, OK *
* USAF, Ret (61-81) *
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To: ic7000@...
From: mark@...
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:24:51 -0800
Subject: [IC-7000] Safe RTTY Output??
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I'm planning on playing around with NAQP RTTY contest next month. I know the general rule of thumb for 100% duty cycle modes is to reduce output 50%. Is this a safe output for the 7K? Should it by less/more?
?
73 - Mark Schoonover - KA6WKE
Website:
Resume:
Stack Exchange eBooks:
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Re: [IC-7000] Safe RTTY Output??

Alex Netherton
 

Remember the 7K has a reputation for getting hot. I would run no more than 25!
73 de KC4BO

Alex Netherton


On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:34 PM, D C _Mac_ Macdonald <k2gkk@...> wrote:
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Personally, for heavy contest work, I'd suggest keeping output using RTTY (or other data modes) at the 25-30 Watt level as a maximum.
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* * * * * * * * * * *
* 73 - Mac, K2GKK/5 *
* (Since 30 Nov 53) *
* Oklahoma City, OK *
* USAF, Ret (61-81) *
* * * * * * * * * * *
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To: ic7000@...
From: mark@...
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:24:51 -0800
Subject: [IC-7000] Safe RTTY Output??
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I'm planning on playing around with NAQP RTTY contest next month. I know the general rule of thumb for 100% duty cycle modes is to reduce output 50%. Is this a safe output for the 7K? Should it by less/more?
?
73 - Mark Schoonover - KA6WKE
Website:
Resume:
Stack Exchange eBooks:
?



Re: [IC-7000] Powering up the 7000

Alex Netherton
 

Lots of people use amps, but you have to figure; 3dB (deciBel) is about the lowest amount of gain that can be heard by the human ear (some say 6), and to get 3 dB you have to double your power. To come up one S-unit on the S meter, you need 6 dB. The lowest power increase you should consider is 500 or 600 Watts, because, think; from 100 (7K's power) to 200 is 3 dB - your 250 watts will not be enough to be heard - from 200 to 400 is another 3 dB. From 400 to 600 is about 1 and a half. So for 600 watts, your gain has gone up 7? dB from barefoot! Not bad, and will get you slightly above an S-unit, often enough to be heard above the noise level, or maybe above that annoying carrier when you are trying for a DX station.
Now, just for edification, to get a 10 dB increase, you have to increase your power 10 times, meaning you need to go up from 100 watts to 1000 watts. 10 dB will get you 3 S-units. However, your 2 S-units from your 600 watts is going to do the job over 98% of the time, and and the other 2% is just not worth it.

Now, a 600 watt brand new amp from Ameritron is $800. An 800 watt is $950. $150 for something that uses another tube, and cannot realistically be heard. Go on up to 1200 watts or even 1500 watts, and you are talking about thousands (with an S!). So, I would go with the 600 watts.

Now, remember that these new-fangled rigs are built with all solid state stuff that is very voltage sensitive. Unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing, do not ever get an old amp, like an old Heathkit (also called Griefkit), a Gonset, or even a Swan or Drake. First off, these amps can be extremely expensive for what they are; check on Ebay, and you will see the price on an old TV sweep tube amp like a Swan 1200x go out the roof. Second, did I say they are old? Well, they are, and old electronic parts degrade over time. They can fail with spectacular (and disastrous) results. Third, most of these old amps have keying voltages for old tube rigs, which is lots higher than modern rigs, and will eat them.

Honestly, the AL-811 looks the best deal to me, and is more affordable than most of the old amps on Ebay today, and far safer.

73 de KC4BO



Alex Netherton


On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:14 AM, BT Yahoo!?2013 <robert.farey@...> wrote:
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Hi Brian
the difference is about 2 s points so why bother. there are some amplifiers out there which can be adapted like the furuno marine hf power amplifier.
having accqired one it seems an like awful idea to to use it for the small difference it could make.
costing some 2500 dollars us. Not that i paid that for it but it does make me think it needs to be used? for it's intended purpose.?????????? Best regards robert G6LLP


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From: brian mackey <brian.mackey@...>
To: ic7000@...
Sent: Friday, 10 January 2014, 12:15
Subject: Re: [IC-7000] Powering up the 7000

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Yes I use the ameritron 811hd

Brian Mackey
KC1MAC/AG
Hams don't let hams get stuck on 2 meter repeaters!

From: <esmorrison1@...>
Reply-To: <ic7000@...>
Date: Thursday, January 9, 2014 at 8:02 PM
To: <ic7000@...>
Subject: [IC-7000] Powering up the 7000

New member today.

Anyone running a linear amp with the 7000?

Would like to run it up to 250 watts - not finding much on the internet
specific to myissue.







Re: [IC-7000] Safe RTTY Output??

 

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Personally, for heavy contest work, I'd suggest keeping output using RTTY (or other data modes) at the 25-30 Watt level as a maximum.
?
* * * * * * * * * * *
* 73 - Mac, K2GKK/5 *
* (Since 30 Nov 53) *
* Oklahoma City, OK *
* USAF, Ret (61-81) *
* * * * * * * * * * *
?
?

?

To: ic7000@...
From: mark@...
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:24:51 -0800
Subject: [IC-7000] Safe RTTY Output??
?
I'm planning on playing around with NAQP RTTY contest next month. I know the general rule of thumb for 100% duty cycle modes is to reduce output 50%. Is this a safe output for the 7K? Should it by less/more?
?
73 - Mark Schoonover - KA6WKE
Website:
Resume:
Stack Exchange eBooks:
?


Safe RTTY Output??

 

I'm planning on playing around with NAQP RTTY contest next month. I know the general rule of thumb for 100% duty cycle modes is to reduce output 50%. Is this a safe output for the 7K? Should it by less/more?
?
73 - Mark Schoonover - KA6WKE
Website:
Resume:
Stack Exchange eBooks:




Re: [IC-7000] Powering up the 7000

brian mackey
 

I don?t think the posters question was about the politics/pricing of owning
an amp, it was, as seen below. As odd as it sounds, people want what they
want, even if it does not make perfect sense.


New member today.

Anyone running a linear amp with the 7000?

Would like to run it up to 250 watts - not finding much on the internet
specific to myissue.

Brian Mackey
KC1MAC/AG
Hams don't let hams get stuck on 2 meter repeaters!

From: BT Yahoo!?2013 <robert.farey@...>
Reply-To: <ic7000@...>
Date: Friday, January 10, 2014 at 9:14 AM
To: <ic7000@...>
Subject: Re: [IC-7000] Powering up the 7000






Hi Brian
the difference is about 2 s points so why bother. there are some amplifiers
out there which can be adapted like the furuno marine hf power amplifier.
having accqired one it seems an like awful idea to to use it for the small
difference it could make.
costing some 2500 dollars us. Not that i paid that for it but it does make
me think it needs to be used for it's intended purpose. Best
regards robert G6LLP










From: brian mackey <brian.mackey@...>
To: ic7000@...
Sent: Friday, 10 January 2014, 12:15
Subject: Re: [IC-7000] Powering up the 7000





Yes I use the ameritron 811hd

Brian Mackey
KC1MAC/AG
Hams don't let hams get stuck on 2 meter repeaters!

From: <esmorrison1@...>
Reply-To: <ic7000@...>
Date: Thursday, January 9, 2014 at 8:02 PM
To: <ic7000@...>
Subject: [IC-7000] Powering up the 7000

New member today.

Anyone running a linear amp with the 7000?

Would like to run it up to 250 watts - not finding much on the internet
specific to myissue.

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Re: [IC-7000] Lightning Protection References

Charles Scott
 

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Jim & All:

It really doesn't have to be that expensive. Assuming there's going to be protectors for all the lines anyway, the only other things that are needed are a few ground rods and some wire for the ground field and the Single Point Ground panel. That can be as simple as some copper flashing available at your local roofing supply mounted on a piece of wood. Other than that, it's all things you're going to have anyway.

These articles appear to be pretty good. They do show the Single Point Ground concept, which is the best things to bring away from reading these. What they don't seem to talk about is limiting energy transfer on the cables from the tower to the entrance. This is something that's not generally employed in commercial installations (for various reasons), but I think can be a big help for home ham installs.

Chuck - N8DNX


On 1/10/2014 9:19 AM, J Chaloupka wrote:

There is no easy answer, much reading and work are involved for a proper ground, to say nothing of the $$$ cost. ?Don't forget the maxim, "Pay me now or pay me later, but your going to pay", applies here.
Here are some links for your reading:






de, wd8qbq, JIM


Re: [IC-7000] Lightning Protection References

 

EXCELLENT !

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Thank You for this post and the links.? My little 7000 will be happy :)

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Jon


Re: [IC-7000] Lightning Protection References

Bob Brooks
 

Let's assume one has the perfect (whatever that means) antenna lightning protection and has to leave the shack for a period of time and there are predicted thunderstorms for the area, Is it best to leave equipment plugged in or unplugged?Does taking the equipment off the system negate the whole thing or is it better to leave it in and let the system work?


On Friday, January 10, 2014 9:19 AM, J Chaloupka wrote:
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There is no easy answer, much reading and work are involved for a proper ground, to say nothing of the $$$ cost. ?Don't forget the maxim, "Pay me now or pay me later, but your going to pay", applies here.
Here are some links for your reading:






de, wd8qbq, JIM



From: brian mackey
To: ic7000@...
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [IC-7000] Lightning Protection References

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Should the radials be buried as well or just spread out in a direction
away from the house

Brian Mackey
KC1MAC/AG
Hams don't let hams get stuck on 2 meter repeaters!

From:
Reply-To: <ic7000@...>
Date: Thursday, January 9, 2014 at 9:07 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [IC-7000] Lightning Protection References

Brian,

I agree that approach has several problems, which are easily corrected.
Without knowing the details of how long the coax, ground wires, etc. it is
hard to quantify the degree of the problem.

1. A single ground rod can easily saturate the surrounding ground, at which
point the charge remaining on the coax continues on directly to the radio.

2. Since the radio is connected to a separate ground rod, which is at a low
earth potential (assuming it is some distance from the antenna's ground
rod), all of the remaining current on the coax flows through the radio or
tuner chassis en route to the "radio" ground rod.

3. It is likely the coax entering the structure will have a high enough
voltage on the shield to arc over to nearby objects during an average strike
of 18,000 amps and 2 microsecond rise time. Even outside, the coax can arc
over to nearby objects, creating pinholes ( or worse) in the outer jacket,
allowing water in.

To correct the problem:

1. Move the lightning suppressor to the ground strip near the shack
(assuming it is outside, if not add one outside). This will divert any
induced charges generated by a nearby strike that couple into the coax from
bypassing the suppressor.

2. Use a bulkhead barrel connector where the lightning suppressor was
originally, to ground the coax shield. Mount it to a copper or stainless
steel bracket clamped to the first ground rod.

3. Connect the two ground rods with a #6 bare copper wire, buried 6" or as
deep as possible. This will reduce the dynamic surge impedance of the
ground system and be a parallel path that diverts much of the current from
the coax headed to the shack.

4. Depending on the type of soil, distance between ground rods, type of
antenna, etc., add 1 or 2 additional ground rods connected with radial
wires. Ground rods are cheap and last a long time (in most soil). The
earth isn't a very good conductor, especially at >1 MHz. See pdf page 35 in
the Polyphaser book.

5. Connect your radio ground system to the electrical panel ground, per NEC
requirements.s

Steve, W3AHL

---In ic7000@..., wrote:

On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 11:08:22 -0500, brian mackey wrote:

>> > My ground is setup where all the gear goes to a grounding strip to a
>> single
>> > 8 foot ground round, and then the antenna is grounded to a separate 8 foot
>> > ground rod (via) a lightning arrester
>
>
Very bad practice. The separate ground rods should be BONDED together,
preferably with wide copper strap. Your installation provides plenty of
area
for voltage differences.

Someone also said they used a large braid for grounding. This is another
bad
idea. Braid has plenty of inductance. Inductance at high frequencies (rise
time of the pulse) is high resistance. High resistance leads to high
voltage
between one end of it and the other. This is why solid copper grounds are
recommended. Better yet, flat copper strap. And DON'T make it look neat
with
90 degree bends in the wire, etc. It should be as straight as possible
point to
point, and when turns are needed, they need to be as gradual as possible
(low
inductance).

Gary
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