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dump my FT857D the moment this cutie is out! ;-)
Thanks Rob and Adam.
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-----Original Message----- From: Brian Mury [mailto:ve7ngr@...] On Wed, 2005-16-02 at 07:41 -0500, Keith LaBorde - K4KAL wrote: I have a Digital Voice Recorder that can hold 4 hours on the visor. So I just push the record button and start talking. Then later, I go back and update the log and send out QSL Cards. I also use a DVR for logging mobile contacts, but I don't record everything. I make a recording at the start of the QSO with callsign, frequency, signal reports, and anything else I want to mention. I make another recording at the end of the QSO. This works well for me since my DVR timestamps recordings. I have the clock set to UTC, of course. ============= I am planning on getting a digital voice recorder. The three hour version is only about $20 or so and the 6 hour just a little more (IIRC). In the meantime, I have a digital camera. I am setting up a little stand so the camera points to the clock and radio. Since it can record motion video and sound, I'll be using it when running counties on the county hunters net. The memory I have only allows about an hour of recording which will be in Quicktime format, but together with the clock, it will make transcribing the calls to the log much easier. I can even post a run on the internet so the county chasers can see what they sound like from the mobile's point of view. My camera will mark the date on the still pictures, but the time can't be stamped. What other tricks are being used to log mobile QSOs? Buck N4PGW
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Hello all,
I just received my Icom 756 Pro III last week and absolutely love it.
I am looking for a small backup Icom with an A/T. Does the IC7000
have such a thing ? I am visually impaired and use ACC 2 and ACC 1
to use comoputer control and also to run my amp. How do you subscribe
to this reflector ? Thansk es 73
Kind regards,
Marty
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Yes I did read this too. But IC-718 and IC-703 came after the IC-746 and still had the conventional filter concept. --- In ic7000@..., "Oba" <ja7ude@g...> wrote:
Hi,
It reminds me of an ICOM engineer saying in an interview that IC-
746 would be the last transceiver that uses conventional crystal filters for IF.
73 de JA7UDE Oba
--- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote:
Hi Buck,
Yes, the IC-7000 will use DSP filtering in the final IF. This is the same
technology as used in the IC-756Pro series, the IC-746Pro/7400 and the
IC-7800.
The ultimate performance of the DSP-IF subsystem - dynamic range, noise
floor, filter shape factors, noise reduction etc. is a function of the ADC
(analogue/digital converter) which is the interface between the analogue
RF/IF chain and the DSP. The faster the DSP chip, the better the filter
shape factors, NR etc. are likely to be. All the current Icom DSP- based
radios use a 24-bit ADC and DAC and a 32-bit floating-point DSP. The 756Pro
series uses the ADI SHARC, whilst the 746Pro and 7800 use faster TI devices.
The ADC used in the 756Pro series has a slightly better noise floor than
that of the 746Pro. The 7800 uses very high-quality ADC's which are rather
costly.
The demands placed on the DAC (digital/analogue converter are rather less
than those which the ADC has to meet, although the DAC plays an important
role in setting the dynamic range of the transmitter. The ADC is the key to
the receiver; if it degrades the incoming IF signal, all that information is
lost forever and cannot be recovered.
There are a number of articles covering these topics (and others) on my Icom
page.
Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ
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Hi, It reminds me of an ICOM engineer saying in an interview that IC-746 would be the last transceiver that uses conventional crystal filters for IF. 73 de JA7UDE Oba --- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote: Hi Buck,
Yes, the IC-7000 will use DSP filtering in the final IF. This is the same technology as used in the IC-756Pro series, the IC-746Pro/7400 and the IC-7800.
The ultimate performance of the DSP-IF subsystem - dynamic range, noise floor, filter shape factors, noise reduction etc. is a function of the ADC (analogue/digital converter) which is the interface between the analogue RF/IF chain and the DSP. The faster the DSP chip, the better the filter shape factors, NR etc. are likely to be. All the current Icom DSP- based radios use a 24-bit ADC and DAC and a 32-bit floating-point DSP. The 756Pro series uses the ADI SHARC, whilst the 746Pro and 7800 use faster TI devices. The ADC used in the 756Pro series has a slightly better noise floor than that of the 746Pro. The 7800 uses very high-quality ADC's which are rather costly.
The demands placed on the DAC (digital/analogue converter are rather less than those which the ADC has to meet, although the DAC plays an important role in setting the dynamic range of the transmitter. The ADC is the key to the receiver; if it degrades the incoming IF signal, all that information is lost forever and cannot be recovered.
There are a number of articles covering these topics (and others) on my Icom page.
Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ
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Re: High Sierra Antennas and the IC-7000.
On Wed, 2005-16-02 at 07:41 -0500, Keith LaBorde - K4KAL wrote: I have a Digital Voice Recorder that can hold 4 hours on the visor. So I just push the record button and start talking.
Then later, I go back and update the log and send out QSL Cards. I also use a DVR for logging mobile contacts, but I don't record everything. I make a recording at the start of the QSO with callsign, frequency, signal reports, and anything else I want to mention. I make another recording at the end of the QSO. This works well for me since my DVR timestamps recordings. I have the clock set to UTC, of course. I've been thinking that a neat project would be to build my own DVR that includes a CI-V interface so that it can automatically record the frequency and mode as well as the time. Have one button that would record the frequency, mode and time along with a voice recording on the first push; subsequent button pushes could append to the voice recording. A second button would simply log the end time without requiring a voice recording at all. I doubt I'll ever bother doing it, but it's fun to think about...
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Hi!
I,m new on this group.
I,m using the FT-897D and I,m very satisfied with it.
But it,s allways interesting with a new rig.
Using IC-756ProIII in my schack.
73,s Peter in Sweden
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Hi group, Dan here.(N1GXC) It looks like a nice rig and I'm going to
wait to see what the story is instead of buying a Yaesu 897-D or
other radio. I'd like it to be around $850-$1000 but I'll probably
choke on that one. I'm going to be doing some serious DXpeditions
this year so we'll see.
Dan
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Thanks for the access to the IC-7000 Yahoo Group. I appreciate it.
Dan N1GXC
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Adam, does the 756ProIII not have a more powerfull DSP than the ProII? --- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote: Hi Buck,
Yes, the IC-7000 will use DSP filtering in the final IF. This is the same technology as used in the IC-756Pro series, the IC-746Pro/7400 and the IC-7800.
The ultimate performance of the DSP-IF subsystem - dynamic range, noise floor, filter shape factors, noise reduction etc. is a function of the ADC (analogue/digital converter) which is the interface between the analogue RF/IF chain and the DSP. The faster the DSP chip, the better the filter shape factors, NR etc. are likely to be. All the current Icom DSP- based radios use a 24-bit ADC and DAC and a 32-bit floating-point DSP. The 756Pro series uses the ADI SHARC, whilst the 746Pro and 7800 use faster TI devices. The ADC used in the 756Pro series has a slightly better noise floor than that of the 746Pro. The 7800 uses very high-quality ADC's which are rather costly.
The demands placed on the DAC (digital/analogue converter are rather less than those which the ADC has to meet, although the DAC plays an important role in setting the dynamic range of the transmitter. The ADC is the key to the receiver; if it degrades the incoming IF signal, all that information is lost forever and cannot be recovered.
There are a number of articles covering these topics (and others) on my Icom page.
Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ
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From: Buck (N4PGW) [mailto:na4fm-list@t...]
Sent: 16 February 2005 05:58
To: ic7000@...
Subject: [ic7000] Price of the IC-7000
Hello to all and thank you to the moderator of this reflector.
Ever since I have seen the IC-7000, I have been reading and talking about it. Like most of us here, I have considered it the new IC-706 radio but after all I have read and seen, I have begun to think that 7000 is to the 706 what the 756 pro is to the 746 pro.
What weighs most strongly is the fact that it will use electronic filtering rather than the crystal lattice filter. If I recall, isn't this the same filtering technology used in the IC-7800, the $10,000 radio?
From what I gather, the 706 is the most popular mobile HF radio on the market with sales greatly exceeding its runner-up. Right now it sells for about $800 US. I realize that the cost of technology drops over time, and with inflation, prices rise a bit, but at this point I am wondering if the rig might not be priced considerably higher than the 706. Around here, a few hams are thinking it will be in the $1500 US range.
What do you all think?
Buck
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Hi Mark,
If you have a link to the manual, could you do us a big favour and post it?
I shall add it to my IC-7000 page,
Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ
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From: Mike Perryman [mailto:jmperrym@...]
Sent: 16 February 2005 09:41
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Subject: RE: [ic7000] Small Size
Mark,
Can you share the link to the manual? I am very interested in taking a
closer look.
Thanks,
Mike
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From: Mark - AA6DX [mailto:aa6dx@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 12:21 PM
To: IC-7000 Group
Subject: [ic7000] Small Size
Hi all .. wow, what a busy group for its age! HIHI ... you know, I love the
looks of what I've seen in the pix .. I downloaded the manual, etc ... my
problem is age is taking its toll on my eyes, an I can just picture going
down the road trying to take advantage of the mini screen on the 7??? ----
and if it's there, I want to use it .. HIHI This would be a great time for
someone (not me!) to jump in and manufacture a great accessory, a plug-in
flat BIG SCREEN (12VDC) monitor that replicates (?) the face of the rig ..
.. something one could Velcro to the dash, etc..... an entrepreneur could
make a killing!
I have been using (by choice) my MKIIG as a home station for the last few
months just to really learn to run it, which is hard to do while mobile. I
have been very impressed with its capabilities during contests, etc...
Right after I get my new PROIII in a couple months, I will start a piggy
bank for a 7??? if it pans out.
73, and Howdy! to all -- Mark, AA6DX Eureka, FAR NORTHERN
CALIFORNIA
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Hi Buck,
Yes, the IC-7000 will use DSP filtering in the final IF. This is the same
technology as used in the IC-756Pro series, the IC-746Pro/7400 and the
IC-7800.
The ultimate performance of the DSP-IF subsystem - dynamic range, noise
floor, filter shape factors, noise reduction etc. is a function of the ADC
(analogue/digital converter) which is the interface between the analogue
RF/IF chain and the DSP. The faster the DSP chip, the better the filter
shape factors, NR etc. are likely to be. All the current Icom DSP-based
radios use a 24-bit ADC and DAC and a 32-bit floating-point DSP. The 756Pro
series uses the ADI SHARC, whilst the 746Pro and 7800 use faster TI devices.
The ADC used in the 756Pro series has a slightly better noise floor than
that of the 746Pro. The 7800 uses very high-quality ADC's which are rather
costly.
The demands placed on the DAC (digital/analogue converter are rather less
than those which the ADC has to meet, although the DAC plays an important
role in setting the dynamic range of the transmitter. The ADC is the key to
the receiver; if it degrades the incoming IF signal, all that information is
lost forever and cannot be recovered.
There are a number of articles covering these topics (and others) on my Icom
page.
Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ
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From: Buck (N4PGW) [mailto:na4fm-list@...]
Sent: 16 February 2005 05:58
To: ic7000@...
Subject: [ic7000] Price of the IC-7000
Hello to all and thank you to the moderator of this reflector.
Ever since I have seen the IC-7000, I have been reading and talking about
it. Like most of us here, I have considered it the new IC-706 radio but
after all I have read and seen, I have begun to think that 7000 is to the
706 what the 756 pro is to the 746 pro.
What weighs most strongly is the fact that it will use electronic filtering
rather than the crystal lattice filter. If I recall, isn't this the same
filtering technology used in the IC-7800, the $10,000 radio?
From what I gather, the 706 is the most popular mobile HF radio on the
market with sales greatly exceeding its runner-up. Right now it sells for
about $800 US. I realize that the cost of technology drops over time, and
with inflation, prices rise a bit, but at this point I am wondering if the
rig might not be priced considerably higher than the 706. Around here, a
few hams are thinking it will be in the $1500 US range.
What do you all think?
Buck
N4PGW
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I believe that Dave was referring to the IC-7000 itself. The 7000 will
replace the 706 line; I am speculating that there will also be a low-power
version to accommodate the Japanese 10W licence. It will replace the 703
series.
Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ
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From: "David Cain" <davidca@...>
Date: 2005/02/16 Wed AM 07:38:41 EST
To: <ic7000@...>
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Buck, I agree. The new rig could be 2 - 3 times more than a 706 (I hope not). Just like the Pro3 is 3 times the price of a 746Pro. This is only conjecture on my part, but is based on the price of other new radios they have come out with. I guess we iwll not know until it happens.
Mike, W4KTX
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From: "Buck \(N4PGW\)" <na4fm-list@...>
Date: 2005/02/16 Wed AM 08:58:14 EST
To: <ic7000@...>
Subject: [ic7000] Price of the IC-7000
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Mark,
Can you share the link to the manual? I am very interested in taking a
closer look.
Thanks,
Mike
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From: Mark - AA6DX [mailto:aa6dx@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 12:21 PM
To: IC-7000 Group
Subject: [ic7000] Small Size
Hi all .. wow, what a busy group for its age! HIHI ... you know, I love the
looks of what I've seen in the pix .. I downloaded the manual, etc ... my
problem is age is taking its toll on my eyes, an I can just picture going
down the road trying to take advantage of the mini screen on the 7????????? ----
and if it's there, I want to use it .. HIHI This would be a great time for
someone (not me!) to jump in and manufacture a great accessory, a plug-in
flat BIG SCREEN (12VDC) monitor that replicates (?) the face of the rig ..
.. something one could Velcro to the dash, etc..... an entrepreneur could
make a killing!
I have been using (by choice) my MKIIG as a home station for the last few
months just to really learn to run it, which is hard to do while mobile. I
have been very impressed with its capabilities during contests, etc...
Right after I get my new PROIII in a couple months, I will start a piggy
bank for a 7????????? if it pans out.
73, and Howdy! to all -- Mark, AA6DX Eureka, FAR NORTHERN
CALIFORNIA
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Hi all .. wow, what a busy group for its age! HIHI ... you know, I love the looks of what I've seen in the pix .. I downloaded the manual, etc ... my problem is age is taking its toll on my eyes, an I can just picture going down the road trying to take advantage of the mini screen on the 7??? ---- and if it's there, I want to use it .. HIHI This would be a great time for someone (not me!) to jump in and manufacture a great accessory, a plug-in flat BIG SCREEN (12VDC) monitor that replicates (?) the face of the rig .. .. something one could Velcro to the dash, etc..... an entrepreneur could make a killing!
I have been using (by choice) my MKIIG as a home station for the last few months just to really learn to run it, which is hard to do while mobile. I have been very impressed with its capabilities during contests, etc... Right after I get my new PROIII in a couple months, I will start a piggy bank for a 7??? if it pans out.
73, and Howdy! to all -- Mark, AA6DX Eureka, FAR NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
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Hmm, I think that's the same with mine. Maybe we should inform the
distributor that he needs to pack them better.
Thanks for the comments. It makes sense. I don't know what price the 706
came out as, but what they retail for now. I do know they went up in price
for a while. (I guess the dollar fell).
73,
Buck N4PGW
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From: Paul Manuel [mailto:k4pdm@...]
All this info comes from a cracked crystal ball, of course...hi.
73,
Paul K4PDM
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--- "Buck (N4PGW)" <na4fm-list@...> wrote: I realize that the cost of technology drops over time, and
with inflation, prices rise a bit, but at this point I am wondering if
the rig might not be priced considerably higher than the 706. Around
here, a few hams are thinking it will be in the $1500 US range. My first inclination was to say aroung $1300--didn't the 706 hover in about that range for a while? However, $1500 puts it in the 746PRO price range, which I don't think they'll want to do. Even $1300 puts it quite a bit above its competitors in the mobile rig arena. I'm guessing about $1100--a little higher than the TS-480 series, $300 or so above the FT-857. It may start out higher, but drop fairly soon. All this info comes from a cracked crystal ball, of course...hi. 73, Paul K4PDM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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--- "Dr. Howard S. White" <drpaper@...> wrote: IC-7000 is likely the EU number...
The US Number will likely be IC-7XX where XX is to be determined. I was going to bring up this possibility. Also, don't forget that the receiver has an "R" before the 7000. My guess is, since ICOM seems to be edging closer to using the same model designator worldwide, that it will use the same designator here as elsewhere, although who really knows...? It might end up not being IC-7000 anywhere! Thanks for the group, guys! 73, Paul K4PDM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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Buck,
DSP filtering and demodulation/modulation is also used in Ten Tec receivers and transceivers from the $329 RX-320D to the $3300 Orion. DSP filtering is not necessarily better that crystal lattice filtering; it depends the receiver design, on the processing powerof the DSP chip (or chips) and the dynamic range of the A/D converter. The Orion uses more powerful DSP's than the RX-320D. As a matter of fact, the Main receiver of the Orion uses crystal filters for the front end roofing filtering.
The more powerful DSP's are more expensive and consume more power, but the price and power consumption comes down as newer generations of IC's are introduced. It's a tradeoff on price, performance and power dissipation. Let's see what ICOM comes up with...
73,
Mike N2MS
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What weighs most strongly is the fact that it will use electronic filtering
rather than the crystal lattice filter. If I recall, isn't this the same
filtering technology used in the IC-7800, the $10,000 radio?
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Mark - AA6DX