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Re: Howie on the Hill.......with a crane..........OFF TOPIC
Christopher George
What is with you people from Cali?? You all try to take advantage of others misfortune. And to top it all off, you make light of it. I was station in San Diego in the Navy in the 70's and people back then then wern't a bunch of "buttheads" like they are today. Must be the polluted air getting to you all, or mavbe the fact that you are on the left coast. Matbe I will take that offer to buy the land on the AZ/CA boarder, just might turn out to be beach fornt property anyway in 5 or 6 years (LOL).
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Chris KU4LV ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom" <tgleeman@...> To: <ic7000@...> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [ic7000] Howie on the Hill.......with a crane..........OFF TOPIC > > Hi Howard and the Group, > > Howard wrote: > >>The irony is that the ones with the biggest damage are on safari in South >>Africa and don't know yet it has happened... > > I that case, Howard, I would try to find out when your neighbor is just > arriving and be there. I would stand a cubit's distance and greet your > neighbor. Shake his hand and thank your neighbor for your new ham radio > coverage and the use of the crane which you will borrow to put up your > antenna. Closeness counts at a time like this. > > Tom > San Diego, CA > KE6YNH, 73 > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 2/22/2005 > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
May or June?
Dr. Howard S. White
One of the benefits of putting the IC-7000? on order is that once your money is on the line someone will talk to you...Last week, Icom was denying that the product even exists.. so Saturday I put an IC-7000 on order at HRO..
Today I was told by my salesman at HRO, that "ICOM WAS NO LONGER DENYING ITS EXISTENCE" and I could expect delivery May or June... depending on the time for FCC type acceptance. Based on what happened with the IC-756 Pro 3 .. Put it on order in August... They began US deliveries in December... So I may actually get one by June.. whatever it is ...... [NO ONE HAS SEEN ANY SPECS... SO NO INANE QUESTIONS PLEASE] and whatever it costs.... [THE PRICE HAS NOT BEEN SET.. SO NO INANE QUESTIONS PLEASE] .... __________________________________________________________ Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished" Formerly "Awfully Extremely Six Sado Masochist" "Krazy Yankee Six Loves America" Website: www.ky6la.com |
Re: Do our comments affect the design of the IC7000 ?
MKM
Actually, I do not want a tuner inside the 7000 either. Rather, I was talking about a proposed AH-5 which would be an AH-4 replacement. These tuners are external, long wire tuners.
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Re: Do our comments affect the design of the IC7000 ?
jdow
All these wish lists sound more like "7800 Mk II G" rather than 7000.
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Allowing bandscope data to feed over the Ethernet remote control interface is something I forgot to mention. (And I admit I am treading on 7800B or MkII or whatnot territory.) Reports back to the radio via Ethernet can and should be unpolled. Ethernet handles collision details nicely. That gets rid of many of the uglies of the CI-V interface;. I'd add to your 1A memory reports request the implicit request that they be "complete". Any memory should memorise the entire control state of the radio at the time and restore it on call back. That complete status should be part of the remote control memory status report. (And a poll to request "radio status" should exist if the "push" mode from radio to remote controller is not desired.) (Ethernet remote control begs another question, TCP or UDP. I'd LOVE to natter with the engineers designing it over just this issue. I have some nice practical experience, some of which was painful to gain.) {^_^} ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralf Reiterer" <ralfreit@...> Since many guys have already placed their wishes for the IC-7000 (or probably for MKII or later), I will add mine below: My focus will be more on the interoperability features between the IC-7000 and the computer since most other desires have already been written by other people. OK, here they are: * implement a sophisticated CI-V command set that allows (almost) all functions to be controlled from the computer. As that is the case for most modern radios like the PROIII and therefore nothing new has to be invented, that should not a real problem. Just "copy and paste" the PROIII's firmware code, Icom! ;-) * document all extended commands like the extended memory read/write 1A 00, so that it is easily usable. * allow bandscope samples to be read from the computer. The AOR AR-8200/8600 provides a simliar feature, so it should be possible, although the bandwidth of the serial cable is limited. * support special characters like ???,???,???,???,???,???,??? etc. in memory names. In Europe almost any language needs them. Icom, take a look the characters in Windows 1252 and 1250 character set. * report ALL changes made directly on the radio back to the computer - currently only frequency and mode changes are reported. * I vote for keeping the CI-V 3.5mm jack since every Icom radio has it and therefore allows to operate them all via one bus line. * But I also welcome an USB or ethernet jack. Ethernet would be better since it is almost as easy to use as the serial line. USB is a bit tricky if it is a real USB jack and not a "serial line wrapped into an USB line" as it is the case for the IC-R20. I think that's it for the moment. ;-) Ralf, OE5ROP Yahoo! Groups Links |
Re: Do our comments affect the design of the IC7000 ?
jdow
Just a thought - the USB interface concept is "nice". But it is
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horridly short range. There is something to be said for the ability to have the radio on a somewhat longer tether than USB allows, particularly the newer USB2. A good tuner is not going to fit inside a radio as small as the 7000. Low loss requires large components most of the time. (I start shivering well above temperatures suited to even the highest temperature super- conductors we have.) The user interface aspects of the dual transceive may prove the downfall of such a design attempt. But it "might" be nice. (Do everything generally leaves out the "well" word. There is a time, place, and market for it. Just be aware of the tradeoff.) For FM running down to 9.6 volts is easy. For SSB you raise your distortion considerably. A power supply to boost the 9.6 back to 13.8 is costly and consumes volume. It's a tradeoff. (A rig that can run down to 9.6 volts and has many users who routinely do that could earn the same revulsion from me I felt for the Swan 6 meter transceiver that splattered across 6 meters instead of behaving nicely in most instances.) LED backlight is indeed a really good idea whose time has come, I suspect. DRM in the DSP may be a good idea. I have mixed opinions. For a little thing like the 7000 I think it is a very good idea. For a big thing like the ProIII or 7800 I believe DRM and other decoders belong in attached computers operating off an Ethernet supplied feed from the IF strip's I/Q "if" information after basic bandpass filtering and such. That way a computer can provide much of the DSP function. This allows an instant modulation mode update as the technology base grows. In line with that last I want the digital IF outputs "tapped" just before the demodulation to baseband for SSB or whatnot. I also want the digital baseband "audio". I want 'em on a nice TCP link by command over that same TCP link. That is fitting accompaniment to Ethernet based remote control. {^_^} Hey, W6MKU can dream, can't she? ----- Original Message -----
From: "MKM" <mab2000@...> correct, too late now but the mk2. Note to Icom: - I want digital audio IN/OUT. - I want a complete antenna system for the car a la atas-120, or a new AH-5 tuner that follows frequency change and tune the antenna system without transmitting each time (from memory of previously tuned values). - Software upgradable through ethernet port which is also used for remote operation. - Ability to receive one HF band in SSB/CW and 2m FM AT THE SAME TIME. This is possible if the fm side of 2m/440 is just a classic non-dsp design as there is only one IF-DSP chain. - Please make sure that if we connect ICOM's 2.4 GHz converter, the display corrects itself for the proper band operation (not displaying 2m frequency while in 2.4ghz mode). - I repeat my desire for the ethernet port or a USB 2 port. Lets dump the old control interface for the new USB 2. - Ability to run down to 9.6V with reduced RX current and power limited to about 5 watts with display auto-off - Make sure you use LED backlit for the display. - Why not put the capability to decode DRM in the DSP and be the first Amateur equipment to do so. I do not think there will be enough room for video out for external display. -best On Feb 28, 2005, at 4:39 AM, Brian Mury wrote: On Mon, 2005-28-02 at 01:13 -0800, Adam Farson wrote: Yahoo! Groups Links |
Re: Do our comments affect the design of the IC7000 ?
donlvnv
Ditto's on the ethernet instead of USB. you can run a ethernet cable
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300 ft I believe vs 15 for usb. --- In ic7000@..., "Ralf Reiterer" <ralfreit@g...> wrote:
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Re: 70mhz available on the 7000?
MKM
Hi Adam,
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Yes, I know! I have been following your site on that topic in the past. You bet. Your site is well informative. MKM or mab is fine for now:) p.s. that Kenwood / Icom deal worries me a little. We need more info on that. Kenwood has deep pockets and I would not want Icom to disappear. Yaesu & Standard did a similar takeover in the past. -Best On Feb 28, 2005, at 10:13 PM, Adam Farson wrote:
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Re: 70mhz available on the 7000?
Hi Best (or should I call you MKM or mab?)
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Actually, my good friend Matt KK5DR and I claim bragging rights for predicting a radio quite similar to the IC-756Pro3 as far back as mid-2003. We even came up with a hypothetical "precursor" to the IC-7800 which was not to far off the actual product. Cheers for now, 73, Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ -----Original Message-----
From: MKM [mailto:mab2000@...] Sent: 28 February 2005 15:16 To: ic7000@... Subject: Re: [ic7000] RE: 70mhz available on the 7000? I think just few people at retail level know about it...not a buddy type at HRO. I think senior level management or such will know. We just wait and see. The 706 is an old but good radio. I got mine from the first shipment back in the 90s. It is just time for a replacement. Furthermore, looking at the R&D of Icom, they are done with the ultimate rig, the 7800, they are done with the replacement for the 756pro series, one should ask what they were designing next and that will be a mobile radio to replace the 706mk2g. Also, keep in mind that nobody saw the Pro3 coming....the pro2 is still on sale. So anything is possible. -best On Feb 28, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Marty wrote:. For what it's worth (not much in my opinion) I was just reading the Service. Yahoo! Groups Links |
Re: 70mhz available on the 7000?
MKM
I think just few people at retail level know about it...not a buddy
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type at HRO. I think senior level management or such will know. We just wait and see. The 706 is an old but good radio. I got mine from the first shipment back in the 90s. It is just time for a replacement. Furthermore, looking at the R&D of Icom, they are done with the ultimate rig, the 7800, they are done with the replacement for the 756pro series, one should ask what they were designing next and that will be a mobile radio to replace the 706mk2g. Also, keep in mind that nobody saw the Pro3 coming....the pro2 is still on sale. So anything is possible. -best On Feb 28, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Marty wrote:. For what it's worth (not much in my opinion) I was just reading the |
Re: 70mhz available on the 7000?
Marty
For what it's worth (not much in my opinion) I was just reading the mail and
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heard a ham say he called his buddy at HRO today to ask if the price of the 706MkIIg had gone up (it had). When he said "Is the rumor true", his buddy thought he was asking about the IC-7000 and said all the rumors about it coming out were false. Like I said, for what it's worth. Marty -----Original Message-----
From: Erik Schmidt [mailto:oz1es@...] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 4:30 PM To: ic7000@... Subject: [ic7000] RE: 70mhz available on the 7000? Hate to disappoint you guys, MWE has the information from here or rather Adam's site. (I know because I supplied the information via an other ham to him) Erik - OZ1ES Yahoo! Groups Links |
Re: 70mhz available on the 7000?
MKM
Marty, thanks for the good catch. It is a good reality check.
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I would not call this information "rumors" anymore. The radio is real and is coming soon. We can only speculate on the specifications. --What a snow we are having in NYC today!!! On Feb 28, 2005, at 3:04 PM, Marty wrote:
Great, thanks for identifying them Adam. Looks like I made a good |
Re: 70mhz available on the 7000?
Marty
Great, thanks for identifying them Adam. Looks like I made a good find, I was
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wondering just who they were! Marty -----Original Message-----
From: Adam Farson [mailto:farson@...] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 4:21 AM To: ic7000@... Subject: RE: [ic7000] 70mhz available on the 7000? Hi Marty, ICOM IC-7000 HF/50MHZ/144/433 MHZ ALLMODE IF DSP TRANSCEIVER MED DSP FILTER SOM IC 756 PRO III,D.V.S. INGEN OPTIONAL FILTER. FORVENTET LEVERING ULTIMO 2 KVARTAL 2005 PRIS UKENDT Translation: Icom IC-7000 HF/50MHZ/144/433 MHZ all-mode IF DSP transceiver with DSP filters like IC756Pro III, i.e. no optional filters. Projected delivery end of 2nd quarter 2005. Price unknown. This will confirm the information supplied to Megahertz magazine by Icom France. MW Electronic is a major Danish ham-equipment dealer. (I do not speak Danish, but drew on my knowledge of other Germanic languages.) Cheers for now, 73, Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ -----Original Message----- From: Marty [mailto:kt4k@...] Sent: 27 February 2005 23:00 To: ic7000@... Subject: RE: [ic7000] 70mhz available on the 7000? Just when you thought it was the end... Marty 8^) |
Re: Do our comments affect the design of the IC7000 ?
Ralf Reiterer
Since many guys have already placed their wishes for the IC-7000 (or
probably for MKII or later), I will add mine below: My focus will be more on the interoperability features between the IC-7000 and the computer since most other desires have already been written by other people. OK, here they are: * implement a sophisticated CI-V command set that allows (almost) all functions to be controlled from the computer. As that is the case for most modern radios like the PROIII and therefore nothing new has to be invented, that should not a real problem. Just "copy and paste" the PROIII's firmware code, Icom! ;-) * document all extended commands like the extended memory read/write 1A 00, so that it is easily usable. * allow bandscope samples to be read from the computer. The AOR AR-8200/8600 provides a simliar feature, so it should be possible, although the bandwidth of the serial cable is limited. * support special characters like ?,?,ü,?,ó,ò,á etc. in memory names. In Europe almost any language needs them. Icom, take a look the characters in Windows 1252 and 1250 character set. * report ALL changes made directly on the radio back to the computer - currently only frequency and mode changes are reported. * I vote for keeping the CI-V 3.5mm jack since every Icom radio has it and therefore allows to operate them all via one bus line. * But I also welcome an USB or ethernet jack. Ethernet would be better since it is almost as easy to use as the serial line. USB is a bit tricky if it is a real USB jack and not a "serial line wrapped into an USB line" as it is the case for the IC-R20. I think that's it for the moment. ;-) Ralf, OE5ROP |
Re: Price check for the IC-7000
ICOM radios are made and assembled in Japan, I have been to the
factory myself. --- In ic7000@..., Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote: Hi Paul,outsourcing PCB fab, die-cast chassis injection moulding and other subassemblymanufacture to lower-labour-cost areas in Asia, Icom should be able to hold theprice down to the $1K level.are absolutely correct. Economics, as well as performance andcapability, are driving the shift to 100% DSP implementations.down. There is no backwards." |
Re: Do our comments affect the design of the IC7000 ?
MKM
correct, too late now but the mk2.
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Note to Icom: - I want digital audio IN/OUT. - I want a complete antenna system for the car a la atas-120, or a new AH-5 tuner that follows frequency change and tune the antenna system without transmitting each time (from memory of previously tuned values). - Software upgradable through ethernet port which is also used for remote operation. - Ability to receive one HF band in SSB/CW and 2m FM AT THE SAME TIME. This is possible if the fm side of 2m/440 is just a classic non-dsp design as there is only one IF-DSP chain. - Please make sure that if we connect ICOM's 2.4 GHz converter, the display corrects itself for the proper band operation (not displaying 2m frequency while in 2.4ghz mode). - I repeat my desire for the ethernet port or a USB 2 port. Lets dump the old control interface for the new USB 2. - Ability to run down to 9.6V with reduced RX current and power limited to about 5 watts with display auto-off - Make sure you use LED backlit for the display. - Why not put the capability to decode DRM in the DSP and be the first Amateur equipment to do so. I do not think there will be enough room for video out for external display. -best On Feb 28, 2005, at 4:39 AM, Brian Mury wrote:
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Re: 70mhz available on the 7000?
MKM
End of June then...we will see it at Dayton in May.
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I was concerned that it would be introduced much later at Japan hamfair 2005 in August, but looks like earlier introduction. -best On Feb 28, 2005, at 4:21 AM, Adam Farson wrote:
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Re: Do our comments affect the design of the IC7000 ?
Brian Mury
On Mon, 2005-28-02 at 01:13 -0800, Adam Farson wrote:
Evidence, no. Nothing one could put a finger on. Nevertheless, informalIt is, however, probably too late for the IC-7000. Maybe the MK2... :-) |
Re: 70mhz available on the 7000?
Hi Marty,
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ICOM IC-7000 HF/50MHZ/144/433 MHZ ALLMODE IF DSP TRANSCEIVER MED DSP FILTER SOM IC 756 PRO III,D.V.S. INGEN OPTIONAL FILTER. FORVENTET LEVERING ULTIMO 2 KVARTAL 2005 PRIS UKENDT Translation: Icom IC-7000 HF/50MHZ/144/433 MHZ all-mode IF DSP transceiver with DSP filters like IC756Pro III, i.e. no optional filters. Projected delivery end of 2nd quarter 2005. Price unknown. This will confirm the information supplied to Megahertz magazine by Icom France. MW Electronic is a major Danish ham-equipment dealer. (I do not speak Danish, but drew on my knowledge of other Germanic languages.) Cheers for now, 73, Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ -----Original Message-----
From: Marty [mailto:kt4k@...] Sent: 27 February 2005 23:00 To: ic7000@... Subject: RE: [ic7000] 70mhz available on the 7000? Just when you thought it was the end... Marty 8^) Scanned by WinProxy |
Re: Do our comments affect the design of the IC7000 ?
Hi Tom,
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Evidence, no. Nothing one could put a finger on. Nevertheless, informal conversations with Icom reps at various shows I have attended over the years suggest that Icom keeps an eye on product-related sites (such as and my site) and discussion groups. Cheers for now, 73, Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ -----Original Message-----
From: Tom [mailto:tgleeman@...] Sent: 28 February 2005 01:04 To: IC7000 Subject: [ic7000] Do our comments affect the design of the IC7000 ? Hi IC7000 Fans, Here's a question for anyone in the Group: Do we have any evidence that what we write here affects the design of the proposed IC7000? Tom KE6YNH, 73 ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 2/22/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links Scanned by WinProxy |
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