jdow
If you say so. I have the graphs here that say you are misinterpreting
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what you are seeing and hearing. What you are calling blow by of CW signals is indeed ringing. It is a vicious problem with sharp filters. I spent quite some effort for a fast frequency hopping radio getting the ringing down to levels such that I did not experience jamming by strong adjacent channel signals simply due to this basic property of filters. A softer stop band curve will show less ringing for signals outside the passband. It will snow less attenuation of pure continuous carriers. At some point there is an optimal compromise for your given application. I note that the basic ProII filters are VERY sharp. As such mathematical analysis of the filter properties suggests you will get filter output excited by signals outside the filter's passband and that this will be an annoying problem in most cases. It will be an issue with any transceiver that has a very sharp CW filter. There's nothing that can be done about it. As an aside what engineers call blow by is actual signal leakage around the filter when tested with continuous carriers. The digital filters appear to have precious little of this blow by. The filter lobes are far enough below the passband level that you're talking of a fantasy world with better filtering the last I checked on my ProII. I really figure what CW operators call blow by is something entirely different, filter ringing due to excitation from off frequency signals. The more "key click" the off frequency signal has the worse this ringing will be. And note that the ringing will not necessarily be classic 100Hz single crystal filter ringing that happens with on frequency signals due simply to the narrow pass band. If you want to use filters correctly in weak signal vs. strong signal environments it does pay to understand your filter characteristics very intimately so you can make useful compromises. {^_^} W5MKU, who has considerable experience designing exotic receivers and frequency synthesizers usually for military applications. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ya`akov N. Miles" <ve7alq@...> --- In ic7000@..., "jdow" <jdow@e...> wrote:From: "Adam Farson" <farson@s...>[snip]Filter ringing is probably what he is hearing. The sharper thefilterthe more the filter rings. And it will ring to the tune of offfrequencysignals as well as on frequency signals.I should like to disagree. Neither of my two filters ring. Signals 5 |