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Sorry sue I think you need to use some of your obamacare free medical check ups to see if you have a hormonal imbalance. No apology need.

--- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, Sue Runyon wrote:
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> No, we're saying that you didn't actually see what you're claiming to have seen.
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> And, guess what? Nothing about this on the msnbc website, and I contacted "The Daily Rundown" - they deny that they showed any graphic like that. And Sheila found the video segment that you were referencing, and it didn't say what you claim it said. You got it wrong.
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> So, where's your apology for getting it wrong?
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> Don't worry, we won't hold our breath waiting for it.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Cay
> To: ibmpensionissues <mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:33 am
> Subject: [ibmpensionissues] Re: Union Fears Destructive Consequences From Obamacare
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> Nope good old unbiased chuck todd put it up on the screen. Are you saying MSNBC misrepresented the facts?
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> --- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, Sheila Beaudry wrote:
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> > Then you misheard.脙鈥� Only around 4 % of people are on welfare. ()脙鈥� Perhaps what you heard was that 45% of people depend upon the government.脙鈥� That would include people on Medicare and Medicaid,脙鈥� people working for the government, people working on government contracts脙鈥� and people on welfare.
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> > From: Sam Cay
> > To: mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 9:06 AM
> > Subject: [ibmpensionissues] Re: Union Fears Destructive Consequences From Obamacare
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> > Funny I just saw a stat on MSNBC that 45% of americans are on welfare. I wonder who they voted for??
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> > --- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, "Kevin W" wrote:
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> > > What you might want to do, to balance out your stand is list the items where Obama changed in his short tenure. All the things he promised to people and suddenly ended up with the Bush evil side and inaction.
> > > Where we saw the daily total of Bush murders in the wars to the complete lack of attention once Obama came to power and did not end the wars, close Gitmo, reverse the spying on citizens that were all part of his platform.
> > > You might want to look at when the Republicans agreed to take up the energy agenda and the democrats said, no, we have vacation to take and book signings to attend.
> > > Then of course you can look at the thousand of inconsequential things where individual Dems and Repubs daily flipflop but the media only called it out on Republicans, ignoring it as or dismissing it as "change in view based upon new facts" for the Democrats.
> > > You see according to the press the only time a Democrat changes their mind is when it makes sense, but anytime a Republican does it, it is for vote getting or putting money in their pocket.
> > > I listen to FOX and MSNBC views of the same stories for more humorous reasons than anything else. It reaffirms the bias and bigotry of both sides.
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> > > What would be very good would be to pick up a book called, The Righteous Mind by Haidt. Here is a far left liberal by his own admission who started the book project with the idea of affirming that his side are the fact tellers and the other side is nothing more than uneducated, bigoted idiots. Kudos to him for seeing the project through and realizing why both sides exist and why both sides are important to the survival of a civilization.
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> > > --- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, Sue Runyon wrote:
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> > > > No, it's not my opinion that filibusters have been used more by the Republicans than ever before in the history of our nation. That's a demonstrable fact. There are graphs that show this change in behavior.
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> > > > The same with the difference between the political sides of the aisle with respect to Politifact Pants on Fire lies and True statements. There is an overwhelming majority of PoF lies from the right as compared to those coming from the left - the last time I checked, it was like 8 to 1. And a similar comparison can be made with comments that Politifact, a nonpartisan site, has rated "True". It's a fact - not my opinion, that many more Democrats, Progressives and liberal groups have been given "True" ratings than those on the right.
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> > > > And it's not my opinion that the Republicans have abandoned things that they've supported in the past when those same things get the buy-in from Democrats. It's a fact.
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> > > > Both sides don't engage in these things at the same levels of involvement. I never said, nor would I ever say, that the left is angelic and the right is the devil incarnate - but when someone tries to claim that both sides are equally guilty in these bad behaviors, I present evidence that it's a false equivalency argument to claim that they are both equally guilty.
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> > > > And, the facts are that the Democrats have shown a great willingness to compromise since Obama was elected, and the Republicans have not. I could list countless examples of that - and you couldn't provide countless examples of the contrary.
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> > > > Facts are powerful things.
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> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Kevin W
> > > > To: ibmpensionissues ;
> > > > Sent: Sat, Jul 27, 2013 4:27 pm
> > > > Subject: [ibmpensionissues] Re: Union Fears Destructive Consequences From Obamacare
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> > > > Sue your statements are nothing more than opinions in this matter. Both sides engage in the same 3 items you quote below. Both sides excuse it for their side as minimal and called it out on the other as extreme. This self imposed bias becomes a blindness and allows them to make statements as you have below.
> > > > Realizing/admitting a fact doesn't mean you have to like it, doesn't mean you have to change sides, it only means acknowledging the lunacy you claim for the other side exists on your side as well.
> > > > In the long run it tends to make a person more balanced and understanding.
> > > > Otherwise we get what we have today, two political parties unable and unwilling to compromise because their acolytes will take them to task or call them weak.
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> > > > --- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, Sue Runyon wrote:
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> > > > > No, the facts are that it is quite dominated by one political party - and that party is not the Democrats. I can provide 3 undeniable examples - you, and others, should stop with the nonsense that "both sides do it". False equivalency arguments make you look insincere or ill-informed.
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> > > > > 1. Filibusters
> > > > > 2. Politifact Pants on Fire lies
> > > > > 3. FlipFlopping on political stances when the other party supports them.
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> > > > > No one on the left side of the aisle has committed such politically partisan behavior in the same levels.
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> > > > > And we've seen it here in this string of comments - snide remarks from those on the right who can't debunk the facts presented by those on the left. Rejection of factual arguments made by the left that are easily supported with all kinds of supporting links. A total lack of support for the arguments made by those on the right.
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> > > > > It's not an issue of "both sides do it equally". It's just demonstrably not.
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> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Kevin W
> > > > > To: ibmpensionissues ;
> > > > > Sent: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 8:33 am
> > > > > Subject: [ibmpensionissues] Re: Union Fears Destructive Consequences From Obamacare
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> > > > > Please be aware, this blind loyalty to a side, spinning of untruths and spreading fear and propaganda is not a republican issue. It is a political issue shared equally by both sides and both sides are for something until it suits them to not support it.
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> > > > > A liberal will find lies out of anything conservative and a conservative will find lies out of anything liberal. Neither will acknowledge their own lies until it is shoved in their face and even then they will excuse it and derail the conversation with their lies are worse. Very few of us are unbiased, even fewer of us know and acknowledge our own biases and try to see around them. It simply hurts too much...
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> > > > > --- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, Sue Runyon wrote:
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> > > > > > But, but, but..... you're ruining the fearmongering and the conspiracy theories of those who have a kneejerk hatred of almost everything and anything associated with Democrats and Obama - even if that stuff is incredibly similar to things that sane Republicans pushed a few years or decades ago.
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> > > > > > A nonpartisan site, Factcheck.org, soundly and emphatically debunked the false meme that Congress exempted themselves from the same requirements as everyone else.
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> > > > > > If you check out any of the well-known factchecking/urban legend sites, what you'll see if that almost all of the pants-on-fire dishonesty comes from the right. You'll see that there's a ton of misinformation about Obama which is easily debunked - yet it keeps being spread around in viral emails and spread as gospel on talk radio. And there seems to be a dearth of people on the right side of the political aisle who stand up and refute such nonsense and tell their supporters to stop pushing it. Occassionally you'll see someone do it - John McCain did it when someone in a town hall meeting told him that Obama was an "Arab", for example.
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> > > > > > So, if you're actually interested in whether or not it's true or false that Congress somehow exempted themselves, look at this article.
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> > > > > > or this one - FreedomWorks, a favorite of Glenn Beck, by the way
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> > > > > > or this one, where Politifact.com rated it "Pants On Fire" false, citing conservative Norman Ornstein and nonpartisan snopes.com
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> > > > > > If someone were really interested in knowing the truth about whether or not Congress had to participate, they'd already KNOW this answer. They'd KNOW that the rightwing spin about this topic was just that - dishonest spin. Instead, we get comments like this one - "If ACA is so great why did Congress and the President exempt themselves, their families, and staffers from the provisions of ACA? No one seems to talk about that."
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> > > > > > But it's not true that "no one" talked about this - MANY rightwingers talked about this, ad nauseum, despite the fact that it was NEVER TRUE. So, no one SHOULD HAVE talked about this, since it was nonsense from the very beginning. If someone made an honest mistake, and thought it was true, as soon as they knew it wasn't true, they would have apologized for their error, and straightened others out when they heard the misinformation repeated.
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> > > > > > But as snopes.com has pointed out for years, most people will believe what they want to believe. Someone below said "Government exempts itself from everything." But that's not true. They haven't, they don't, they won't. Yet many won't believe it when the FACTS disprove their CT. In fact, the government actually has the same or even tougher regulations in almost every arena as compared to the private sector.
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> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Sheila Beaudry
> > > > > > To: ibmpensionissues ;
> > > > > > Sent: Thu, Jul 25, 2013 10:15 pm
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [ibmpensionissues] Re: Union Fears Destructive Consequences From Obamacare
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> > > > > > It is the same for IBMers and anyone else getting insurance through their companies. You don't have to change your IBM insurance to get your insurance from one of the Exchanges. But you can if you want to. Why should they be singled out by not letting them do the same as others. Isn't that the point; they shouldn't be treated any differently?
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> > > > > > From: Kevin W
> > > > > > To: mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 7:59 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [ibmpensionissues] Re: Union Fears Destructive Consequences From Obamacare
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> > > > > > Now here is what I see when I read that link. Tell me what I missed. While congress did not create any special exemptions for itself, no congressperson is required to give up any special coverage and cadillac plans they may have and be required to only have choices available to the bulk of the American people. The article goes out of its way to avoid stating such things until a short paragraph at the very end where it mentions a Republican wanted to amend the bill to state that federal officials must only be able to choose from those new plans created by the ACA. In other words making our government eat its own dog food. Apparently according to the article which gives one entire sentence to it, maybe hoping people would be bored by the time they got this far in the article the change was added but only if the leadership and committee heads were exemption from the change. So they don't have to eat the dog food they are serving.
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> > > > > > --- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, Sheila Beaudry > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wrong, they are not exempt from ACA.脙茠脗茠脙鈥�'脙茠脗鈥毭冣��'脙茠脗茠脙垄脗鈧�脗拧脙茠脗鈥毭兟⒚傗偓脗拧 Stop spreading untruths.脙茠脗茠脙鈥�'脙茠脗鈥毭冣��'脙茠脗茠脙垄脗鈧�脗拧脙茠脗鈥毭兟⒚傗偓脗拧 See
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> > > > > > > From: Rick b Cool
> > > > > > > To: mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 9:34 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: [ibmpensionissues] Re: Union Fears Destructive Consequences From Obamacare
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> > > > > > > Really?
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> > > > > > > Government exempts itself from everything. Governments, federal and state exempt all their own vehicles from all regulations pertaining to vehicle construction and safety, including school buses.. It's a crock but had nothing to do with ACA.
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> > > > > > > --- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, KenSP@ wrote:
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In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-15486822-2039346746-1375252855=:96970" X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Sheila Beaudry Reply-To: Sheila Beaudry Subject: Re: [ibmpensionissues] Re: Interesting Podcast to Listen To: ObamaCare Invades Your Personal Life X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u"5115587; y颴SmTXbmjpgKCwZZYjLj5QsBxaRbBiCNCXxM0ki-JQEZRPg X-Yahoo-Profile: sbbeaudry ---15486822-2039346746-1375252855=:96970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First they ginned up the outrage with what looked like problems; for example, like voter registrations for Donald Duck by people paid by ACORN.听 (It didn't matter that听ACORN submitted them because they were required by law to submit听ALL they received and they even听separated out the ones that they thought were problems for the BOE and Donald Duck did not try to vote).听听In NC they investigated hundreds of alleged voter fraud after the last election and they didn't find a single one that was really someone trying to impersonate another voter or someone voting where they shouldn't have on purpose.听 If you read the report I posted earlier from the Brennen Center, you will find that after much work and looking at these supposed problems very few were any that could have been prevented by voter ID.听 People only remember the outrage from the accusation and that got them the support for the changes which can skew the elections by 3% and that can be enough to win a close election.听 Instead we are wasting millions on these voter ID programs (and cutting our education funding) for a very small problem that voter ID doesn't even fix.听 The conclusions of the report:Policy Brief on the Truth About "Voter Fraud Myth of Voter Fraud As the leading democracy of the world, our voting system should be free, fair, and accessible to all eligible Americans. It鈥檚 important to protect the integrity of our elections and stop voter fraud. But we should not be making it harder for millions of eligible Americans to participate in our democracy. Summary * Fraud by individual voters is both irrational and extremely rare. * Many vivid anecdotes of purported voter fraud have been proven false or do not demonstrate fraud. * Voter fraud is often conflated with other forms of election misconduct. * Raising the unsubstantiated specter of mass voter fraud suits a particular policy agenda. * Claims of voter fraud should be carefully tested before they become the basis for action. Also only 1 in 15 million of investigated fraud cases would be helped by Voter ID.听听 http://www.mountainx.com/article/44864/Nationwide-and-in-North-Carolina-voter-fraud-is-virtually-nonexistent-News21-study-says Despite this information the Republicans dominated NC legislature and governor have voted in the strictest Voter ID law in the nation.听 Although they can spend millions on Voter ID, at the same time they are cutting education. Now NC has slid down to 46th in teacher pay.听 5 years ago we were in the middle.听 There are consequences to how you prioritize your money.听 Here they have prioritized keeping their power over everything else. From: "zimowski@..." To: ibmpensionissues@... Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 1:33 AM Subject: [ibmpensionissues] Re: Interesting Podcast to Listen To: ObamaCare Invades Your Personal Life 听 I understand that this is how it is being reported. The discussion of what's going on is very vague and you get the feeling that you're sorta being told the entire story, but if there's no problem, then why did it make such a big splash in the news to begin with? And why did PEW do an investigation and discover that there are over 2 million dead people on the voter polls across the entire country? I know that it's convenient for the Democrats among us to argue that there is not voter fraud because they for political reasons oppose the push to introduce voter id laws in so many states where it's happening. The Republicans feel the opposite also for political reasons. Is it clear yet to anyone who reads this forum that we're not going to come to any agreement on the topics of voter ids and voting fraud? --- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, Sheila Beaudry wrote: > > > > Some of the dead who are voting are those that submitted absentee ballots and died before election day.脗听Those votes can't be counted.脗听There will always be some of those.脗听 Some are just clerical errors where the poll worker marked the wrong line on the poll book脗听and some are also poll worker errors where they marked a person with the same name but wrong address or person, for instance marking the father who died when the son with the same name came to vote.脗听When these things are investigated little actual voter fraud脗听is found.脗听 For people who vote more than once it usually ends up being an elderly person who voted by absentee or early voting脗听and forgot and voted again on election day.脗听 > > From: edward_berkline > To: mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:04 AM > Subject: [ibmpensionissues] Re: Interesting Podcast to Listen To: ObamaCare Invades Your Personal Life > > 脗听 > Yes, there are probably thousands of dead people still on the voter rolls. But there is scant evidence that ballots were cast for large numbers of them. > > In the first article you linked to, it says: > > "A closer look at the data revealed that SOME of the dead people were not only registered, but somehow, even voted." > > You managed to read this and concluded that this means MANY of them voted. > > California has around 18 million registered voters. And 25,000 of them appear to be dead, according to the article. Overall, that's just 0.14% of registered voters. > > But if the number examples of possibly fraudulent votes cited in the article are typical (e.g. 6 out of 100 in Contra Costa County), that works out to a state-wide fraud rate of 0.008%. That's just 8 one thousandth of 1 percent. > > And you want to argue that voter fraud is a significant problem? > > The dead voter problem is easy to fix, without voter ID laws. All they have to do is purge the registration rolls using reliable data. There's no need to make it more difficult to register to vote. > > Switching over to the topic of voter suppression, here is a quote from PA: > > "Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done," Turzai said at Saturday's Republican State Committee. > > http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77811.html > > Not a word about illegitimate votes or making the election more fair... just a blatent attempt to ensure that there will be fewer votes from Democrats. > > The trouble with Republicans is that they keep slipping up at the most inconvenient times and allowing the truth to come out. And it helped Ombama win by a wide margin. Those dumb-ass Republicans! > > --- In mailto:ibmpensionissues%40yahoogroups.com, "zimowski@" wrote: > > > > I have not read or heard everything, but I have never read or heard about a member of the Republican leadership stating that their intent is to suppress any votes that are legitimately cast. However, I would not be surprised if a Republican leader stated that he/she believed that a voter id law suppressed illegitimate votes for Democratic candidates thereby making an election fairer. > > > > For those of you who believe that voter fraud does not exist, please take a look at the following: > > > > (1) In the 2012 presidential election, over 25 thousand dead people were still on the voter rolls and many of these people actually voted in the election. Regardless of the cause, this is voter fraud. > > > > Read the article and listen to the video of the NBC news cast that reported this problem. > > http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Dead-and-Still-Voting-177286281.html > > > > (2) A PEW center study has concluded that nearly 2 million dead people are on voter rolls nationwide. > > > > http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/other-races/210327-pew-study-2-million-dead-americans-on-active-voter-rolls > > > > (3) 53,000 dead voters were found in Florida > > > > http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2012/05/16/53000-dead-voters-found-in-florida/ > > > > None of this, as well as other types of voter fraud is widely publicized. After all, we as Americans take great pride in believing that our elections are fair, as fair elections are the cornerstone of our democratic republic. > > > ---15486822-2039346746-1375252855=:96970 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---1548